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Microsoft Offers A Peek At New Search Engine
ObsessiveMathsFreak writes "The Inquirer is reporting that Microsoft is offering a preview of its new search technology. The search engine preview has a minimalist interface, similar to Google. Microsoft claims over one billion web pages searched, but admits the fact that searching is a little slow. This technology hasn't yet been incorporated into MSN Search, though the site claims it eventually will be. In related news, the Financial Times is reporting that Microsoft are to improve the regular MSN Search site by removing paid advertisements from regular internet searches, a move that will cost them 'tens of millions of dollars.' Are the Search Engine Wars finally upon us?"
Redhat, SUSE, Mandrake, etc. don't turn up on the first page. WTF?
... I think I'll stick to google.
Oh I get it. Microsoft don't want their competitors turning up in search results.
Hmmm
What is important is that a search for litigious bastards still returns the SCO Group.
KARMA TAG! You're it.
Hey, at least microsoft did one thing right.
-S
We Apprentice Developers and Designers
Looks like it still thinks that xfree86 is "adult content"
q =x free86&FORM=SMCRT
http://techpreview.search.msn.com/results.aspx?
Their site seems to rely on javascript and ASPX heavily. I seriously doubt that these technologies will help creating a larger market share...
...they'll have a "Microooooooosoft" graphic at the bottom of the screen to allow you navigate between pages of results...
"Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true." - Homer Simpson
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Out of curiousity I also decided to check out MSN's Sandbox. This is pretty much their upcoming software and features. I was surprised to find pretty much everything they are listing has already been inplemented by Google. Time to play catch up!
NewsBot = news.google.com
MSN Toolbar = Google Toolbar
3 = I'm thinking this is just like Orkut, 3 is software that connects a small group of family and close friends, people who know and trust one another, so they can do fun things together in a whole new way. 3 is a beta test of an innovative application that lets users connect online, extending real-world social interactions.
NetScan = This is Google Groups.. searches USENET newsgroups
The only "original" item on there was TerraServer and that has been up and running for some time now.
I would be interested to see if MS decides to add much of the same features that Google has. Such as phone number searches, unit conversions, etc...Some things that make Google really unique. Perhaps MS could tie the search term, such as an address, to TerraServer will allow a person to get a direct overhead view of that place. However... They need to get some more updated maps to make this useful.
Hmmm.
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admits the fact that searching is a little slow
9:06:41 AM MDT: search for 'microsoft sucks'
9:07:38 AM MDT: returned first page of results, first result points to microsoftsucks.org
I think I'd call that more than a little slow. The term unusable comes to mind.
bash: rtfm: command not found
http://techpreview.search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=o verheating+graphics+card+tnt2&FORM=SMCRT
All irrelevant bollocks related to shopping and motherboards. If I wanted to get info on overheating graphics cards, I'd be fucked.
"Miserable failure" returns nothing.
By summer it was all gone...now shesmovedon. --
I don't see a search page, all I get is this:?
MISSING CONTROL: lwhead
MISSING CONTROL: lwbody
Is this the result of Microsoft getting slashdotted? (kinda like putting a bag of holding inside a portable hole...)
Its all fun and game 'till someone loses an eye... then it's just fun
Its all fun and games until someone loses an eye... then its just fun.
Okay, random test. Search for "fisherman":
Sorry, no results were found containing "fishermen"
1 billion entries? Please.
Google:
Results 1 - 10 of about 1,350,000 for fishermen [definition]. (0.33 seconds)
Nice work so far MS...
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Mr. Smoove
Javascript + Nintendo DSi = DSiCade
Searched for my domain, found results pointing to web pages that I haven't had online since November of 2002.
Hmmm seven comments and the search is already very very slow (16 seconds load time here). Is it possible that we can bring down MSN with slashdot?
Hint incase it goes down: Its a google clone.
What post? The one you're carrying inside your rusty innards!
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A "little slow"? I typed 'xxx' , pressed enter and... waited, waited, waited... about 20 secconds. This is not what I would call "a little slow".
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I'm personally getting worse results from it than the current search engine on MSN.
I've done 3 searches this morning and both google and MSN search found what I needed from the first page of search results but this new one didn't for many pages back. I wasn't even trying to fool it.
Microsoft have a technology preview of their new MSN search engine. The litmus test is, of course, searching for "ross burton".
The good news: top hit is the root of my blog. However, so are the 2nd, 3rd, 4th... In fact all but five of the results in the first five pages are from my site, and those others are all pages from the Burton (the snowboarding people) web site. Amusingly, they have shown me the index pages from every day I've blogged on.
Why not see for yourself how well Google searches for "Ross Burton", compared to Microsoft's new engine. Thank you Google for More results from www.burtonini.com!
about the performance and quality of the results of the search preview over at Webmaster World, including some feedback from MS employees.
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This Dell DJ of search engines could be a testiment to the decline in convential search-engine revenue as a result of "the googleization" of dynamic content delivery systems. A move that will "cost microsoft tens of millions?" I like the creative spin, but I'm sure we can channel that energy elsewhere throughout redmond, and I'm sure they've run the numbers.
So far, google has given me no reason to distrust them. Microsoft on the other hand... No thanks. I gave up on MS years ago. I'm sure I am not the only ./'er who feels that way.
Looking at it, it's not minimalist in the same sense google is. Google has a lot of content that is extremely well organized without a lot of extra crud. Google's content is well formatted and easy to read. Simply taking out your ads and superfluous fonts and graphics doesn't make put in the same ranks as google.
Anybody know what the search engine spider calls itself.
I make sure that msnbot is not allowed to traverse my web site via the robots.txt file. I'd like to do the same with this robot.
BTW, I've noticed no appreciable decline in web hits at all.
Caution: Contents under pressure
Just to balance things... http://labs.yahoo.com/demo/nutch/
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It took nearly 30 seconds to return results for "gates balmer anal".
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An honest preview it is, hehe
Try a search for 'email' or 'calendar' and guess who always comes up first? Not exactly impartial results, are they?
I tried a search for 'Google':
/ /home.tiscali.be/zoetrope/wintris
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http:
Sorry, no results were found containing "microsoft fud"
its because MS points every mom n pops homepage at it when they buy a windowsPC as soon as they learn how to change it to Google they dont use it again
MS have to force their preferences on the user just like those handy homepage activeX hijackers
still for us geeks it wont matter, i have been firewalling MSN off for all our users, its too much of a security/privacy risk with MS's non-expiring cookies and GUID's that they dump on you as soon as you launch MSIE for the first time on a new windows install
It is not only slow, it does not have me! I am going back to google.
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it probably won't work with non-M$ browsers.
Would this imply that Microsoft is using the same algorithm as Google?
they don't seem to be standing up to the slashdotting their receiving right now.
At least they got litigious bastards right
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The problem that's developed with google is searching for any consumer electronic brings up a ridiculous number of small vendors trying to sell that product, often times even outranking the products official site. Microsoft's new engine seems to be even more prone to this, just try searching for a Sony Digicam (as soon as it begins working again...)
First try searching for upperland:
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The second search worked, but google already know me and place my page called upperland on first, and plus have options to search only brazilian or portuguese pages.
The problem was when I tryied searching for "sport club internacional" that gave me a: Sorry, no results were found containing "sport club internacional". It's the name of my soccer team in brazil.
Google found lots of pages, even american/international sites citing it. Very bad result here for msn experimental search.
Gee, one billion pages and only 15 results for Linux? Why am I not surprised?
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This engine has a long ways to go, but is fairly updated. I did a search for the BYU Ham Radio Club. Google only started returning the proper site as a result about a week or two ago. This MSN engine seemed to have scanned the whole site and was very good about returning the correct site. The problem is, that it returned too much of the site. The whole first page of the search results contained different pages from the site. I thought it was pretty elementary to make sure that search results only returned the most relevant page or two from a particular site. Who knows how many intel.com results it might give me if I searched for "intel pentium" Its a good thing that the search "feature" in windows does blow like this search engine. Oh, wait..... doh!
of course was the first thing I did. came up with the following:
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Try it! The best result is in the blue box at the top!
I searched for "Microsoft sucks" and didn't find anything. Are you telling me that no where in the entire crawlable internet do those two words co-occur? I'll stick with google. At least a search for Google sucks turns something up.
What do we have under the hood? A brand new algorithmic search engine -- built from the ground up -- on Microsoft technology. Give it a spin and tell us what you think.
But they repeat themselves...
MSN's website is the most popular internet site for US users, with nearly 100 million unique visits each month
im slightly off topic here, but i cant help but wonder if the web browser included with the most widely used desktop os in the world DIDNT use msn.com as the default home page, would anyone have any reason to go there?
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I MSNed it?
what do i think? i think you should stop having the marketing-drones right your copy, when Google says things like "give it a spin" or "it'll be back", it seems genuine, when Microsoft says it, it sounds forced and derivative of the original
May you be touched by His Noodly Appendage. RAmen.
While I'm normally pretty pro-MS (I actually like their products - I'm not kidding) MS stands very little chance here.
They're fighting a marketshare war, and searches are pretty much a commodity - unless they've got something very specialup their sleeves, their searches are the same as anyone else's.
And let's face it, Google won the mindshare a long time ago. Just like everyone knows what Windows is, everyone knows what Google is, even non-techs. Hell, it's damn near a generic term for searching by now.
Sorry, no results were found containing "donkey punch"
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I searched for "Horrible Failure" at MSN and got:
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I seached for "Horrible Failure" at google and got:
Re: horrible failure to compile on Solaris 2.6
Russell Kroll
Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:51:02 -0500
Koos van den Hout wrote:
> I am trying to build nut for our solaris 2.6 setup (so we can really start
> using a bigass APC ups with max 50 amps output current). For some reason
> apc does not deliver network-aware software with such a beast.
[...]
> "../include/common.h", line 89: warning: dubious tag declaration: struct termios
> "common.c", line 441: warning: dubious tag declaration: struct termios
> "common.c", line 442: identifier redeclared: cfmakeraw
I'm guessing from the directory names that you're trying to build 0.45.0
here. There's a patch that went into 0.45.1-pre2 that fixed a
few termios.h problems. Try it and see what happens.
All: when this sort of stuff happens, try the latest development
version. Normal releases are sometimes 3-4 months apart, and sometimes
the bug you are reporting has already been fixed in the -pre series.
The next Slashdot story will be ready soon, but subscribers can beat the rush and slashdot the links early!
http://techpreview.search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=i is+shellcode&FORM=SMCRT
No wonder it's slow...
I also searched for "geocaching" and got back a single result: the gc.com homepage. Funny, I'm pretty sure there are a few more geocaching sites out there.
Happiness is like peeing yourself. Everybody can see it but only you can feel its warmth.
It's really slow. It's probably because of the SlashDotting but I think they are going to hit major problems scaling ASP.net and IIS to the size of Google (100k servers).
The results themselves are quite good, actually. I'm not sure what is going on with 'Linux' etc but they are far better than the current search MSN site that I am pained to see when 'new users' press the search button on IE.
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All I get is:
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I'll deny it access to my site. If it pays attention to the robots.txt file, let's just starve it of information for its database.
Feedback:
and
If you expected a specific website in the search results but it wasn't there, enter the web address (URL) here:
Google's version of such a thing (like yahoo's) is just a comment box that gives you the feeling that nobody really ever reads. This looks like something a script could handle/automate and actually do something about.
Of course it would have to be intelligent enough to wait for a significant about of 'feedback' from a variety of IPs to avoid companies trying to harm the rank of their competitors.
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Yep.
Definitely a Microsoft innovation.
The very first thing I search for is "Slashdot", and my result: ______________________________
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One thing you have to hand to Microsoft is their commitment to consistency.
I searched for "wheel mouse" and got a microsoft.com advertisment page for their hardware. On google I get Colas Nahaboo X mouse wheel scroll page. :)
I searched for "postfix policy" to get a description on the postfix policy framework and I got:
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Meme of the day: I browse "Disable Sigs: Checked". So should you.
Well they missed two major keywords. I got zero responses for "books" and one responce for "cars". Which mind you was MSN auto. Microsoft you have a LONG ways to go. GOOGLE lives on.
I searched for "linux" and waited about 30 seconds. It came back with no results. I did the same with windows, and it came back with hundreds in about 3 seconds.
Then I searched for linux again and it came back with much better results than MSN. One thing I hate though, is that even google is incapable of sorting through all the commercial bullshit that is the WWW these days. Thats why I always search with site:.org or site:.edu.
.... Microsoft will be going on "tour" to say how much better their search engine is compared to google.
XFREE86 is still considered porn by microsoft apparently.
It is slow but also when it finished searches it doesn't tell you how many pages it found.
CDE open sourced! https://sourceforge.net/projects/cdesktopenv/
I searched for my program, "kstars". It found several copies of our handbook, some Wiki entries, and our page on downloading from CVS (on the third page of results). But our homepage was not returned.
They aren't kidding when they say it's slow either. Maybe they should use a beowulf cluster of IIS servers! Imagine that...
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The 1st time I searched for "switching to linux", it didn't turn anything up. And every couple of searchs times it times out of dosen't find anything. and its really slow. Im sure they are really gonna win over alot of people with a search like this.
.. a search term. Please reboot to see your results."
It returned EVERYTHING with a C C++ C# C. .C .... you get the picture.
Google returns results for C# as typed. I would think Microsoft may want to fix this one.
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One billion web pages searched...
one billion MICROSOFT and MICROSOFT partner web pages searched maybe.
I think I'll stick with Google, thanks.
Slashdot - News for Herds. Stuff that Splatters.
Sorry, no results were found containing "skydiving"
Browser wars my arse:
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Calling this a "browser war" is tantamount to Trinidad & Tobago declaring war against the U.S.
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Results 1 - 10 of about 577,000 for windows sucks. (0.26 seconds)
...and in MSN Search preview...
Sorry, no results were found containing "windows sucks" Can they really claim to have indexed so many pages? :-)
The "cue the foo posts in 3, 2, 1..." posts will commence with no subsequent foo posts in 3, 2, 1...
from the page:
-Sorry, no results were found containing "unix"-
stored on computers from birth to the grave
When I searched for "linux" all I got was:
Sorry, no results were found containing "linux"
Conspiracy or buggy? With MS there's really no way to tell.
If it fails occasionally, have a little sympathy - he does need to go make himself a coffee occasionally and empty his bladder...
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Bwaaahaaaaahaaaa! I'm laughing all the way back to google, check this screenshot out (Don't want them getting slashdotted, do we?):
http://www.craigmarshall.org/screenshot.jpg
Results 1-1 containing "php"
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I'm getting more hits than most of my regular visitors in my logs.. even google does not check my site on a daily basis but these seem to do it on a semi hourly basis.
Gentoo - no results
Redhat - 1 result redhat.com
Suse many results
slackware - many results
mandrake - mandrake.com 4th on list
XFree86 - adult content
Xfree - no results
linux - no results
Seems rigged to me
linux gentoo
Results: Sorry, no results were found containing "linux gentoo"
linux mandrake
Results: Sorry, no results were found containing "linux mandrake"
Whores
And, BTW, this shit is SLOOOOOOOOW. I did 10 searching in Google in the time it took me to do one on MSN. Bah. Screw that. I'm sticking with Google.
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We've
YIPEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I stole this Sig
many clueless numpty's can I get to reply to a post with subject '.' and content '.'. I reckon 15.
I webmaster a site that's been online since 1995 for a health issue. We rank #2 for our search term on google and have consistantly for a couple of years. We get roughly a million page hits a month and I can't find it in the first two pages on MSN. I also get more error messages than results. Pre-alpha testing, IMO. Go back to the lab. Oh, is it because we're on a Linux server?
"Do the Right Thing. It will gratify some people and astound the rest." - Mark Twain
"Do the Right Thing. It will gratify some people and astound the rest." - Mark Twain
You'll be preventing people who will rely solely on that search site from finding your own site. It's like blocking IE users from visiting your site. They'll just go somewhere else.
The war is on.
Microsoft seems to have invaded the Google beaches.
In a conoe.
MSN Search
Results 1-15 containing "christopher mahan"
google:
Results 1 - 10 of about 48,500 for christopher mahan. (0.18 seconds)
"Piter, too, is dead."
I assume to help modify rankings for future searchs.
Google really needs something like this, the amount of spam links on Google is unbelievable if you try to search for a product review.
I'm going to assume Google has some patents. For Microsoft $earch to be better than Google, they would most likely infringe on Google's patents. I'm thinking, it will take years to come up with a better algorithm for searching that doesn't infringe on Google's IP. Then again, I could be wrong.
LINUX
'Nuff said.
-Vic
The First Search Engine War was fought years ago, and has been long over. But a blank check was given and all kinds of approaches and interfaces emerged. The winner was Google, though other technologies are still groveling for the spotlight. They won with a good interface, good results, without too much junk.
A Second Search Engine War might help to refine things even further. Microsoft seems to be starting from Google's UI model (everyone loves a winner) and working from there. That's great. There's not really a whole lot of ways for the users to lose here. Things might get even better!
Get off my lawn.
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Haha! Guess that's what happens when they run a search engine in Windows. Can you imagine Google running on a W2K network?
But seriously, why would they even let people try this when it obviously doesn't even work yet.
Thanks, but I'll keep my Google search bar in FireFox.
...Microsoft is offering...
...Microsoft claims...
...Microsoft are to improve...
All written by the same person. A corporation is a logical, singular entity.
People who disagree with you are not automatically evil, greedy, or stupid.
Sorry, no results were found containing "Linux
Sorry, no results were found containing "Linux News"
Some search engine.
IS the search engine slashdotted?
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Man, this search engine just blows. It might be nice to have another search engine around that's quality... But google still rocks my world.
Microsoft claims over one billion web pages searched, but admits the fact that searching is a little slow.
That's OK: once they copy Google's distributed computing technology and put it all on top of Linux, it will then be fast.
I just did a quick comparison and here are my results.
I search for "pumpkins" on both http://techpreview.search.msn.com/ and http://www.google.com/
From Google I recieved 1,060,000 results in 0.52 seconds. From Microsoft I recieved one result ("MSN Search is temporarily unable to process your request. Please try again in a few minutes.") which took about 2 1/2 minutes.
- Kevin
So here's a fully functional mirror!
Bot Assisted Blogging
And that took quite a while.
Google search:
Nice try, MS. Oh, and by the way, we never said you had to scrap ads entirely. I don't mind Google's adds at all. They're relevant and unobtrusive. But you know, those who can't innovate, immitate.
Sorry, no results were found containing "blue screen of death"
They don't even have search results for:
... even Google does ...
"what is the average airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?"
Geeze
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MSN Bot is highly inefficient at indexing large dynamic sites.
One of my sites is a dense, heavily cross-linked statistics search engine. Over the last few months I've noticed MSN Bot making a spirited attempt to pull the entire site. Since the number of unique pages (without a custom search) exceeds 100,000 it was generating enormous amounts of traffic until I banned it a few days ago.
Considering that the site gets very little user traffic and many of its pages are similar, I wouldn't expect anything like the level of effort expended by MSN Bot. By comparison, Google only indexes the first few pages.
The reason is obvious:
Teach a man to fish, give up your monopoly on fisheries.
And this is what I got:
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Sorry, no results were found containing "gmail"
eh?
I tried to search for "supercalifrajilisticexmealodocious" on both msn and google. I can't spell worth beans, but google gave me the right spelling "supercalifragilisticexpialidocious". then I tried searching for the correct spelling on MSN. Guess what, no results.
Works great
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They'll have to work some overtime to bring it up to half-assed.
Search for "Linus": Sorry, no results were found containing "Linus"
Google for "Linus": 2,370,00 hits.
Hey, if I were Gates, I'd just have IE block Google. What could happen? A lawsuit? (cue hysterical laughter)
If Slashdot were chemistry it would look like this:Cadaverine
My website http://digitalelf.net comes up in the top 5 in Google if you search for "digital elf". It was number 1 until the Digital Elph camera came out and became popular. MSN's search finds exactly zero pages for "digital elf" or "digital elph". I then searched for "debian linux" and got a message saying "your request could not be fulfilled".
a ppearance preview. Unfortunately it looks hiddeous.
Aparently this is not a search engine preview, it's a what-a-search-engine-might-look-like-but-only-in-
It asked what I was looking for, but wasn't able to help:
Sorry, no results were found containing "something better than windows"
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Microsoft doesn't want to be incompliant with all the rfc's
they just can't find 'm;
Sorry, no results were found containing "http rfc"
Explains a LOT
If I waited more than 5 seconds for a search engine to respond, I'd flee it like the plague. Google has no fear. I might consider shorting MSFT.
MS has alot of really dumb execs who get their panties in a wad if they don't feel they're "on top." All this search engine can do is hurt them. Time and money will be wasted in a cheap imitation of google that nobody will use except the newbies who can't change the default page of IE. and why? because their egos are as bloated as their software.
I know I'm going to be modded up on this
Maybe it's just us slashdotting MSN, but I searched for "Greeting card", "Greeting cards", my name (firstName+lastName; lastName), and got nothing at all on the first several tries. I managed to get results once, then an error message. Oops, did I do that?
It did however find google, so it can't be that bad.
Information: "I want to be anthropomorphized"
It looks like if the engine finds an exact match for what you searched for (try looking for "American Mathematical Society" on both google and MSN) it returns only that one result.
Anyone else noticing this?
I got the following:
Sorry, no results were found containing "anti-microsoft"
Sorry, no results were found containing "msie bugs"
The search for "msie exploits" returned:
Search ErrorMSN Search is temporarily unable to process your request. Please try again in a few minutes. EID: f:651496928 - 1041:1041:10004:1059 HC: 71d61b15
Clicked next - suddenly, "Sorry, there a no results for 'eruvia'". Pardon? Try searching again from scratch, and once again suddenly Eruvia has disappeared. Can't get my original 15 results back at all.
I'm putting this down to extremely ungraceful load handling and the ongoing Slashdotting. What's this running on anyway? Netcraft says IIS/6.0 on Linux, so it's another Akamai job, but the hardware behind it doesn't seem up to scratch yet.
Cheers,
Ian
Slashdotted after 20mins.
Exerpt:
MSN Search is temporarily unable to process your request.
Please try again in a few minutes.
EID: f:618926422 - 1041:1041:10004:1059
HC: 71d61b13
I suppose that's what happens when you use ASP.Net and get a showing on the main index. Shouldn't they have expected this? I mean it's microsoft, not ask jeeves! On the plus side, I get they're getting loads of search data.
Wait a minute. With all this slashdot related input at an early stage could it be permenently biased in favour of Open Source, IT, Trolling and Pr0n?
My work here... is done.
May the Maths Be with you!
Let me be blunt, if the Slashdot crowd can kill this engine so easily, the I don't see it completing with Google anytime soon.
A search for Linux Rocks gives me this:
Search ErrorMSN Search is temporarily unable to process your request.
Please try again in a few minutes.
EID: f:1658889542 - 1041:1041:10004:1059
HC: 71d61b14
On the other hand, Searching for Microsoft Sucks gives me a page full of hits, the first of which is the microsoftsucks.org site.
"Live Free or Die." Don't like it? Then keep out of the USA
Sorry, no results were found containing "linux"
SEARCH TIPS1) Check your spelling. Are the words in your query spelled correctly
2) Try using synonyms. Maybe the site you're looking for uses slightly different words, like "film" instead of "movie"
3) Make your search more general. For example, instead of using specific product names, try using the generic product category.
Did you find what you were looking for? Send us Feedback!
"Powers. I have them."
whoa! don't everyone pile on at once! the poor thing just can't keep up.
:P
...bah. go ahead. pile on.
It's funny: search "Linux Sucks" and you get hundreds of web pages and search for "Windows Sucks" and not even one web page is found! Instead, it asks me to check my spelling, use synonyms (
Makes one wonder how objective micro$oft really is.
Search Error
MSN Search is temporarily unable to process your request.
Please try again in a few minutes.
We've slashdotted Microsoft!
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Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
I had 32Gig sucked off my servers in two days by their bot.
Most other search engines will drag the data over time dependant upon the size of the data and the total capability of the net connection. I know people who have spent ages getting their algorithms correct so they do not kill sites just because they have sufficient bandwidth,
The IP of their search engines is now blocked on every single network I run, as now will be their search site.
Slashdot Beta should die a painful death.
> Sorry, no results were found containing "putty"
One billion pages and no putty?
and get no result whatsoever.
one might notice that it never actually shows you the total number of results, just the range that you are viewing
Sorry, no results were found containing "windows".
Nothing more than that really.
Its pretty slow, the results are inconsistent, cant even cope with a slashdotting. One things for sure this will be a real test of Microsofts server platform; So far I aint impressed.
Electronic Music Made Using Linux http://soundcloud.com/polyp
I know I've blocked MSNbot from my site, and I expect many others have. Not because I hate Microsoft, but because they were using too much bandwidth. I blocked them after they'd used 100 MB in a month; that isn't what I consider acceptable behaviour for a webcrawler.
It appears that Microsoft didn't design a system that would scale effectively...
Search ErrorMSN Search is temporarily unable to process your request.
Please try again in a few minutes.
EID: f:618926422 - 1041:1041:10004:1059
HC: 71d61b13
Google won the war because not only do they deliver relevant results, but they do it in a fraction of a second. The MS approach has always been to throw money at a problem after the fact, rather than preemptively.
Nerdshack
Results 1 - 10 of about 234,000 for "linux recommendation". (0.36 seconds)
MSN preview try #1 for "linux recommendation":
Search ErrorMSN Search is temporarily unable to process your request. Please try again in a few minutes.
MSN preview try #2 for "linux recommendation":
Sorry, no results were found containing "linux recommendation"
SEARCH TIPS
1) Check your spelling. Are the words in your query spelled correctly?
2) Try using synonyms. Maybe the site you're looking for uses slightly different words, like "film" instead of "movie".
3) Make your search more general. For example, instead of using specific product names, try using the generic product category.
http://techpreview.search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=o pen+source&FORM=SMCRT
Keep the Classic Slashdot.
I would hope this new site would be
a) at the very least, equal to the current msn.com
b) better than the search algorithms on microsoft.com
But, no luck. Even search terms that work on MSN pull no results at all. At least the Microsoft site usually provides wildly incorrect results.
Airplane - No Results
Motorcycles - No Results
Flight - No Results
Automobiles - MSN website, only site listed.
Email - Hotmail.com, only site listed
Calendar - MSN website, only site listed.
Software - Microsoft.com, only site listed.
Do it your self - only displays an error message
1 billion pages, of WHAT?
... I'd go for Aspseek.
"debian" - only 1 result
:), also found this funny page, be sure to check it out :) from the authors:
.NET developer" :)) Now we know.
"gentoo" - full page of results but cannot go to the second page no matter how many times I hit next, on the 4 hitting NEXT it returns "no results found", WTF???
"redhat" - full page everything ok
"linux vs windows" - some times full screen of data, some time hitting search returns "no results found", this is interesting
"ms office" - only one link
"microsoft office" - full page of links
"linux is better than windows" - full page, ok
"is linux better than windows" - full page , ok
Comparative tests
"Sorry, no results were found containing "windows sucks" - google returns half a million pages on the same query, conclusion #1, microsoft disagrees, they don't sux.
BTW I found this rant on why windows sux
"Why microsoft shouldn't own a fast food company. At mc donalds they ask 'would you like fries with that'. At the microsoft fast food chain they ask, 'Do you want any more bugs with that'"
After 25 tries of "cannot process your query", I got : "Sorry, no results were found containing "windows is bad", fishy.
And of course, the entry 'longhorn' returns and entry titled "Longhorn from India, Longhorn for the
So what is MS's response to the infamous verb of Googling(TM)?? Microsofting? MSGoogling?
I
I tried Litigious Bastards, and it came up with no results. Maybe SCO is giving up!
Speak for yourself.
I don't understand all these posts comparing google's huge number of results for a certain search, while the Microsoft one returns a small number. Searching is not about returning a vast quantity of links. Who goes past page 3 anyway? Most people never even go past page 1, so really 10 results is the most that are usually needed.
If you're going to compare the two, the criteria should be, which returned the most meaningful results - maybe only 1 results is needed. A vast number of results is not always helpful.
TODO: come up with a clever sig
Whenever I read about the way MS improves their stuff when there is actual competition, I wonder what Windows would have been like now if there had been any actual real competition for marketshare in OSes in the last decade or so.
we vote for a search engine not only by using it, but also by letting ourselves be crawled by it (google can crawl me even when other users are locked out due to server overload...)
if you have a non-commercial website, and if you can do without visits by some random jerk stumbling across your website,
simply block by referrer:
"msnbot/0.11 (+http://search.msn.com/msnbot.htm)"
let's see successful they get if the really useful pages (which are mostly non-commercial) cannot be found with them
-L
Don't Panic.
It failed the first test. Searching for my name gave no results.
With google I come top, without even cheating.
I tried to see if it could find CowboyNeal, as it couldn't find me (obviously not notorious enough yet)?
/. effect or just the old one?
I got the following as a response:
Search Error
MSN Search is temporarily unable to process your request.
Please try again in a few minutes.
EID: f:618926422 - 1041:1041:10004:1059
HC: 71d61b13
Is this a new version of the
Gosh - a real search engine throwback. 10 Search attempts
.NET produces 15 pages (392,000,000 on Google). 15 Results for Linux (about 3,050,000 on Google) Now is this political or just MS Crap software? Either way I'll stick to Google...
6 - Just produced errors
Most major topics produce about 15 results - No results for J2EE? (ABOUT 3,050,000 ON Google), 1 Result for Java (as against 73,200,000 on Google). but then
Certain keywords seem to throw errors; for example if you use the keyword oracle, the search throws an error (after some time), however, if you use the keyword google, the results are instantanous!
I find it funny that I did a search for 'linux' and it came back saying "sorry your search timed out"...
And when I did a search for "windows" it came back with no results.
Will I HAVE to do a search for money grubbing monopoly to find info on their own products?
Momma told me that sigs are for the devil
Why dont they have an option for a 'negative comment' ?
Are they that afraid of critisizm ?
Sorry, no results were found containing "boobies"
SEARCH TIPS
1) Check your spelling. Are the words in your query spelled correctly?
2) Try using synonyms. Maybe the site you're looking for uses slightly different words, like "film" instead of "movie".
3) Make your search more general. For example, instead of using specific product names, try using the generic product category.
Ppsshah!
Amusing Screenshot generator!
...
http://www.blackapology.com/downloads/irony.gif
Nick
Electronic Music Made Using Linux http://soundcloud.com/polyp
The stupidest comment of the day. Congrats!
What'd you do that for?
>Anybody know what the search engine spider calls itself.
Look at your Web server log (if you know what I'm talking about)
Search ErrorMSN Search is temporarily unable to process your request.
Please try again in a few minutes.
EID: f:1658889542 - 1041:1041:10004:1059
HC: 71d61b14
Search ErrorMSN Search is temporarily unable to process your request.
Please try again in a few minutes.
EID: f:2114719238 - 1041:1041:10004:1059
HC: 71d61b16
This reminds me of MS's "bet you can't crash our new Win2k server" competition....
Two wrongs may not make a right, but three
Try searching for Google. I half expected it to not show up at all, but it comes up as the first link. The second link is an antique site, which the contains no reference to Google or even the text "Google".
Searching for my favorite band TISM returned: Search ErrorMSN Search is temporarily unable to process your request. Please try again in a few minutes. EID: f:1658889542 - 1041:1041:10004:1059 HC: 71d61b14 Good work MS...
*.02c
Search engine war? Single portal to the internet? I've always considered one of the great aspects of the internet is that there are many choices from which to get your information.
Can't companies realize that it's good to have a sembiotic relationship with other companies?
I searched again and it came up. Seems fruity to me. Some search engine. No results once, second try , same results as google. This doesn't seem to be quite the same though, because the first result was http://sco.com/?sco=litigious+bastards which seems to me to be Microsoft Guessing that since so many sites point to them by that name, that they are the site you're looking for. google bombing -- providing insight into Microsoft's search algorithm.
Speak for yourself.
All I get is :
Search ErrorMSN Search is temporarily unable to process your request.
Please try again in a few minutes.
EID: f:618926422 - 1041:1041:10004:1059
HC: 71d61b13
Seems fine to me - try a search for litigous bastards
results: Sorry, no results were found containing "Internet Explorer exploits" Of course not!
Sorry, no results were found containing "sgi octane"
No doubt, this is true M$ technology!
I've seen multiple people point out that certain searches returns 0 results, then criticize the fact that they can't possibly have 1,000,000,000 pages and not have any hits for "fishermen." I think I know why! I tried searching for something odd, "asteroid disease." Of course, the search returned nothing. I tried searching for it again a couple minutes later, and low and behold, there were results. Sounds like this engine queues searches, conducts them after telling the user that there are no hits, and then displays the results the next time someone searches for the same thing.
Try it for yourself.
A brand new (stolen) algorithmic search engine -- built (by outsourced workers) from the ground up (in India)-- on Microsoft (pirated) technology. All I got was an error message. Why am I not surprised?
They have a place to provide feedback. I want to be helpful and tell them about the faults in how the rank sites (the ones discussed in all the earlier comments; especially giving to much weight to domain names.) But I don't want to help them compete with Google.
Search for "miserable failure" and "weapons of mass destruction" on both the MSN search tool and Google's and the first hit for both searches with both are the same.
As I sat, rubbing my chin, pondering what I could type into the little "search" box, I decided that "chinstrap beard" would be a good test since that's what was at hand at the moment. Apparently there are NO sites on the internet that feature the words 'chinstrap beard', because it gave me zero results. Ungeek worthy.
"Life is such a sweet insanity, the more you learn, the less you know"
Sorry, no results were found containing "why microsoft sucks?"
Google : Results 1 - 10 of about 379,000 for "why microsoft sucks?". (0.24 seconds)
QED!
__
Sigs are like arse-holes, everybody has one
I guess this must be an error but Netcraft shows the site as running on Linux...?
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=techpreWhats really funny, is the first hit is STILL George W Bush... :-)
they probably are just stealing googles database returns...
#include sig.h
Sorry, no results were found containing "linux"
SEARCH TIPS
1) Check your spelling. Are the words in your query spelled correctly?
2) Try using synonyms. Maybe the site you're looking for uses slightly different words, like "film" instead of "movie".
3) Make your search more general. For example, instead of using specific product names, try using the generic product category.
"Search Error
MSN Search is temporarily unable to process your request.
Please try again in a few minutes.
EID: f:651496928 - 1041:1041:10004:1059
HC: 71d61b15"
This was 2 seconds after for a "linux" search that worked fine.
Coincidence or conspiracy? You decide!
For some reason the searches didn't work in Safari, Firefox or Camino in OS X, IE for X returned results.
Think that's a coincidence?
If you're half as beautiful naked, you'd be 4 times as beautiful with twice as many clothes on.
I just hope that Episode I of Search Engine Wars isn't badly done. That would break my heart.
-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+ *** http://www.mountainfort.com *** +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-
Does anyone know of any more "open" service similar to TerraServer. I beleive that TerraServer is the premiere source of satellite imagery, and it really bothers me that Microsoft has such a lead in this area. If not, it would be a wonderful thing for Google to start providing, as there is a *ton* of money to be made from localized searches.
There are tons of really cool application to be built using GPS along with a massive database of terrain images. For example, I was just reading an article about an experiment where someone went on vacation and took a bunch of pictures. The whole time, this person had a GPS unit tracking his movements. In the end, he compared timestamps from the GPS data to timestamps on the photographs, and built a map with pinpoints showing where each picture was taken.
Anyway, I think there are huge opportunities for innovation this sort of thing in the future. It'd be nice if there was an easy way for developers to get access to it.
-- Fighting mediocrity one bad post at a time.
Microsoft should remember that their man bread and butter is their os. Instead of just f*cking around with projects like this, they should use those resources to get deadlines on time and a more stable/secure os. Just mine 2 cents....
something better than windows
and it gave me some great results:
Why Hell is better than Windows
An old Slashdot thread Why Unix is better than Windows
Linux & Open Source is Better for Business than Microsoft Windows
... and 1,441,749 more useful, informative articles. Well done Microsoft!
You'd be really surprised just how many people there are in the world who, when it comes to computers, don't ever bother changing their default page, etc. Microsoft has done quite well up to this point by playing to the lowest common denominator (which is what you get anytime you're pushing "ease of use" over actual features/technology). I'm sure that if IE 7 ships with this thing set to the default search page, they'll get their share of hits. Besides, are you really that upset that Microsoft is going to waste time and money? If you really wanted to subvert them, you should encourage them to throw as much behind this as possible, just to watch it all fail miserably.
Even ignoring the slowness, the results are extremely lacking
/2 million times fewer/
compared to Google. Here's a few quick searches I tried:
gethostbyname - no matches (Google=161000)
starbucks - 1 match (Google=1500000)
spiderman - 1 match (Google=2550000)
cassini - no matches (Google=941000)
gucci - 1 match (Google=3340000)
"garner state park" - failure (Google=3190)
Looks like it will find roughly
matches for a given keyword of Google. I don't think it's
quite ready to enter ship-test just yet.
>;k
Everyone's dream has come true!!
Why don't Apache play dirty in the Microsoft do (don't flame me, read some sites), and include a robots.txt in their distribution that blocks Microsoft spiders. If IIS ran 60% of websites, I'm sure they'd "leverage", and "innovate" to "protect users" in a similiarly underhanded way.
Get your own free personal location tracker
I've verified it. If I go to the link in Firefox, I get:
MISSING CONTROL: lwhead
However, going there with IE works just fine.
Apparently, the percentage of us who don't prefer to have our computers take over by popups/home page hijacking are irrelevant.
While initially, it may seem that Microsoft may not be able to use its OS leverage against Google because it is a server-based application, perhaps the precense of Microsoft IIS market share may have influence. They have already demonstrated that, despite the open standards of the web, they still attempt to lock-in users to their software.
Microsoft may somehow enable websites hosted on IIS to work with their search engine more efficiently than the way Google works with regular sites. Even though IIS doesn't have majority market share, it still has 22.68% at the moment. This still may be an advantage. Google does provide a search appliance for intranets and public websites, which probably integrates with the main Google search engine (I'm just guessing). But I doubt Google search appliances are anywhere near as commonplace as IIS servers.
1 billion pages and not ONE containes "linux"?? Whatever Redmond.
Thank you for mentioning the larger issue at hand and not focusing on the technical shortcomings of this pre-pre-alpha release. Clearly, this thing is not ready for prime time, so, please, stop posting about how many results you got for a particular term - nobody is impressed. It may claim to search a billion pages, but obviously the interface presented here does not have access to all of that data. Even if Microsoft was trying to force a rigged search engine down people's throats, do ya'll think they would be so stupid as to purposefully return 0 results for Linux-related queries? If they're really criminal masterminds like so many people think, they'd have done a much more subtle job of fixing the results.
Sorry, no results were found containing "candy"
Sorry, no results were found containing "slashdotted"
First, I did a search for "nei" (because it's part of my domain name). The search engine presented several pages of matching results.
Then, the search engine had an error during a request and I did a new search for the same word, "nei".
And the search engine answered with:
Sorry, no results were found containing "nei"
So it's a bug, because I got thousands of results when I searched for "wikipedia".
Nothing
vs.
Nothing
.sig error: carrier signal lost.
I searched on the name of my web site as well as those of my friends businesses and not a single one of them came up with results. Here were my findings:
Game Zero Magazine -- Google=701,000 / MS=0
Ten Foot Pole Software -- Google=97,200 / MS=0
Polymer City Chronicles -- Google=2,790 / MS=0
NOP Design -- Google=112,000 / MS=15
Pretty much crap if you ask me, even AltaVista, Webcrawler, and Vivisimo turned up more results that the MS search.
Every time I do a search on MSDN, it turns up crap. I end up going to google to search for what I want on MSDN, and it gets me what I need. So I'm, shall we say, skeptical of Microsoft's ability to compete in this realm.
Search Engine Test Methodology.
Money for nothing, pix for free
At least it did find Apple, but they have an investment in that company, in addition to ripping off the interface...
I'd say a good portion of my search queries on google are linux related. Things like entering the error message in quotes or the name of a file to get specific help on it are invaluable. I like that I can trust google not to blatently skew results their favor.
Another one bites the dust
As a C# programmer, I frequently run searches on google with the keyword "C#" in the search. Google does a good job with it.
Microsoft's search engine on the other hand seems to toss out the "#" character which makes it pretty useless. Kind of funny given who created C#.
Guess I'll be sticking with google.
Comments about terms and phrases not working on the preview version work great on the live version.
1st hit for "Linux" is www.linux.org
4th hit for "Linux news" is /.
Perhaps some people around here should figure out how to use the tool before denigrating it?
a search for the keyword google took more then 15 seconds to return a response.
Is that something you'd actually want to boast?
Also, is this gonna be in beta for the next 5 years like Longhorn?
On a more serious note. I always would have thought it better that the engines actually share some ideas and technology.. kinda like a super-search engine. I know that "microsoft" and "co-operative" don't exactly go in the same sentence but it would be a nice idea. It's nice they're creating an "all new" engine to integrate with their old one (who uses that anyway?.. apart from people who's homepages are eaten over by msn messenger installs) but it does seem rather late, especially as google and other engines are so well established and offer far more than, I suspect, MS ever will.
Just as a side note, and slightly offtopic but I am curious.. have any of the linux distributors got a search engine and if so, how do they react to searches for microsoft?
Get paid to search..It's geniune and
Sorry, no results were found containing "functional programming".
That is all.
In Soviet Russia, Bush bashes YOU!!!!
Danke tres mucho, tovarishch.
SEARCH TIPS
1) Check your spelling. Are the words in your query spelled correctly?
2) Try using synonyms. Maybe the site you're looking for uses slightly different words, like "film" instead of "movie".
3) Make your search more general. For example, instead of using specific product names, try using the generic product category.
Tried 'piece of shit software'
q =p iece+of+shit+software&FORM=SMCRT
& c2 coff=1&q=piece+of+shit+software&btnG=Searc h
MSN's new search returned, among other things, yahoo.com as result number 2 (apparently Yahoo's home page contains the word 'of'), and gimp.org as number 12 (apparently GIMP is a 'piece of software')
For comparison, Google's number 2 is 'Microsoft's Reorganization Ate My Balls' (www.c3f.com/nty0208.html) and number 12 is 'Radio Shack eats Microsoft's Ballmers' (www.c3f.com/nty1112.html)
Hmmmmmm.
http://techpreview.search.msn.com/results.aspx?
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8
Search For: Porn
MSN Search: 0 Entries Found
Google: 151,000,000 Entries Found
Sorry man, but finding porn on the internet is like finding fat people at Weight Watchers. I don't think Google is worried.
1 hit for slashdot
15 hits for 'cheese'
"Win treats sysadmins better than users. Mac treats users better than sysadmins. Linux treats everyone like sysadmins."
for this search, err 2nd searchresult.
Two of the msn search beta bots have been pulling 580+ mb from a simple web forum over the course of a month. :P
Their indexing algorithm is anything but efficient
I searched for suse and got back one (1) hit: www.suse.com How did you search for suse? Keyword: tinfoil & troll -clue
Humor from a Genetically Molested Mind
First I searched for zmooc - no results, 5 minutes later: 15 results. A minute later a friend of me got 85 results:) Then I searched for "anale sex met paarden" - I got 12 results while a friend that also search for "anale sex met paarden" first got 2 and then 15:) It must be spidering at 5 terabyte/sec or something:P
0x or or snor perron?!
Remember the "searching for XFree86" adult content thing?
Here's something funny and sick.
Search for "anus fist" (no quotes)
For some reason it's not adult content...hummm....
AccountKiller
Google gets thousands of results but MSN fails to get any
Sorry, no results were found containing "Nation States"
SEARCH TIPS
1) Check your spelling. Are the words in your query spelled correctly?
2) Try using synonyms. Maybe the site you're looking for uses slightly different words, like "film" instead of "movie".
3) Make your search more general. For example, instead of using specific product names, try using the generic product category.
...since this search returns only one result.
Funny, you'd think they'd index more pages on their own site then just the main one. And what about all the anti-Microsoft stuff that's all over the net?
Just found it somewhat odd...
We're geeks... We're the sorcerers of the modern-day world. --
It looks like the XFree86 bug is still in the code. A search for XFree86 returns a warning about adult content.
It is not working; I did a search for clueless & tinfoil & hat & zelot & boob Your site still came up first. Those bastard are thwarting you!
Humor from a Genetically Molested Mind
...the imporant stuff
Ha! very useful results:
MSN Search is temporarily unable to process your request.
Please try again in a few minutes.
EID: f:1658889542 - 1041:1041:10004:1059
HC: 71d61b14
I ran a few searches for Information i commonly google, and it appears you have a _long_ way to go, maybe its because you have not populated your databases to the extent that google has done or if you have, id say your new engine still needs some work, Not trying to be nasty ,just trying to give honest feedback.
f ood&FORM=SMCRT
d
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:)
In addition to the fact the results are seemingly lacking results as compared to google, its also about 10 times slower to respond than google.
Test Case #1 search term "food"
MSN == 0 results in about 3 seconds time
see http://techpreview.search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=
google == Results 1 - 10 of about 118,000,000 for food [definition]. (0.18 seconds)
see http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=foo
test case #2 search term "money"
MSN 15 results (fairly quick return this time but number not shown)
http://techpreview.search.msn.com/result s.aspx?q=money&FORM=SMCRT
google == Results 1 - 10 of about 121,000,000 for money
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie =UTF-8&q=money
also interesting for "money" is the fact that the 2nd hit on google is a Microsoft Money site while that site does not appear at all in the MSN search.
if you want my advice spend the extra money / time figuring out how to make existing technology in your inventory work correctly / in a secure manor first _then_ maybe you can venture into trying to come up with solutions in search of a problem (which appears to be what your search technology is) if you need your car worked on call a mechanic, not a plumber, why not do what you seem to think you do best and "innovate" your way into new ways to make your operating system better and leave Search to those who know search best, www.google.com
I am in no way associated with google and i was not paid to write this feedback (but i will enjoy watching "Annon Coward's" karma rise on Slashdot when i post this to www.slashdot.org without logging in
good day
John Q. Hacker
Oh I get it. Microsoft don't want their competitors turning up in search results.
I searched for "Mountain bike" and got no results. That must mean Microsoft has some kind of conspiracy against bikes! OMG! Stop the press.
Get a friggen grip man. This search-engine is B-E-T-A. That means it's not done. If microsoft is serious about the search-engine business, you can be damn sure they'll search for anything (including Linux). A search-engine is judged on its ability to return results. Filtering results would only hurt Microsoft's attempt to conquer the search-engine market.
1 coder and 8 PCs is enough : Gigablast
http://search.msn.com gives me results.
if you steal from one source, that is plagiarism, if you steal from many, well, that's just research.
and the search engine said
You have entered a search term that is likely to return adult content.
Warning: If you are under 18 or live in an area where it is illegal for you to view explicit content, please revise your search.
There is a spark in every single flame bait point.
Search Error
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MSSearch:Sorry, no results were found containing "sisällönvalvonta"
Google: 32 results, first result Microsoft browser security page www.microsoft.com/finland/security/childrenonline/ doc1.asp
I don't want to be a slashbot using group think here... but I had to try the following... Search on "Microsoft sucks" for each search page. Here are the results.
Google's "microsoft sucks" page
Microsoft's "Microsoft sucks" page
It looks like it takes a lot less thought to fool MS search into giving you no results than it takes for Google.
its so damn slow, then it spits out an error... looks like it, like to many other sites, is about to be /.ed
M$ wants your Feedback about their New Search Engine here, but actually it is taking down all the points for the feedback right from here. So,here we go!
Why should this be a preview?This is as good as their actual release!
Senthil
Notice that the results you get back aren't direct links to the results, but rather links that redirect through an MSN page?
c om /blog/archives/entries/eating_your_own_dog_food.ic f&&DI=3865&IG=fabd4034971140859b1edb6c16e17093&POS =1&CM=WDU&CE=1
For example:
http://g.msn.com/9SE/1?http://today.icantfocus.
This means a few things:
They can track what you clicked on. If most people who search for "dog food" end up clicking on the "Alpo" link, then perhaps that link will gravitate towards the top. That's a good way to figure out which links are more interesting to users, although it does leave some potential for abuse. Guess we'll see how it plays out.
The bummer about it is that if MSN is slow, every single search result link you get back is going to be slow because they all redirect through MSN.
On the search page the MS logo on the bottom right is really naff quality. They've used a jpg for this whilst the MSN logo to its left is a gif and a lot sharper.
Ceci n'est pas une
How many spammer-style SEOs are going to spend their time clicking on the little rainbow 'feedback' links for their sites and choosing "Is exactly what I was looking for"?
Whatever's gathered from that is going to be a nightmare to administrate as it's so open to abuse, even if it's only there during the beta period.
"What if they're using IE?" "I've dumbed Mozilla down to cope with it." - BOFH
Okay, having just gone to the search engine site and entering in simple words, I get one of three results:
They claim to have indexed billions of pages... billions of pages of what exactly?!?
To participate in a war, you need reliable weapons to stand a chance. Teoma, Yahoo, Google, etc... they all have viable search technologies. MSN's search engine at their beta site is comparable to a blunderbuss. Highly inaccurate, prone to misfirings, and just as predictable in results.
Some people say "linux" gets results and some people don't. When I ran a search just now, it didn't get any results. Then I got an error page.
I tried searching for my website with "polygon comics" which is indexed in every search engine. None on their beta engine.
I tried "palo alto car show", which is likewise indexed by every search engine out there. Also no results from the MSN beta search engine.
From the impressions posted by other people who have been trying the system, it sounds like when the MSN beta search system is working, it ranks based on domains, favouring cyber-squatters and basically giving you info which may not even be relevant to your search.
RELEVANCE is what is important in a search system. That is more than just matching keywords. If MSN hopes to launch their own search which doesn't depend on other peoples' more reliable search technologies, they will need to work a hell of alot harder than what they've put up on their beta site.
As a long time user of search engines, I think MSN beta is a piece of ****(replace with a four letter explative of your choosing).
Winged Power Photography
With all these people claiming that their first hit doesn't work, but subsequent hits do, could Microsoft be building their search with our queries? Tha more you make a request for a specific topic, the more results it feels that ineeds to find. The less important (queried) results don't show any results initially. So if we keep this up, Linux, Suse, and Porn wil be the most archived things the search engine knows how to find.
Strange.
So compare then to now: you can't even get decent fucking search results of Microsoft's own support site from Microsoft itself. They can't even properly track their own content - how on earth can anyone trust them to track everyone elses? I work tech support a few days a week and I don't even think about using Microsoft's "search the knowledge base" page - it's often laughably short on search results even for well known things like "xp rpc exploit" and "download ie6."
When I can get proper tech support info on Microsoft's own products without having to go to Google and type site:microsoft.com THEN I'll start to believe this is like Netscape vs. Microsoft.
From msn:
cat returns "about 57,500,000" google pages.They're Tracking us!!!!!!
/ && DI=3865&IG=6f050a77f0e849aeb21c2cd50e40fc63&POS=1& CM=WDU&CE=1
For wikipedia (and all results)..
http://g.msn.com/9SE/1?http://www.wikipedia.org
Sig (appended to the end of comments you post, 120 chars)
My site only shows up 5 times in the first 15 results and not at #1, so I'm pretty disappointed.
a search for Slashdot returns an artical about hotmail being cracked badly. Maybe they aren't tring to hide information.
lots of oss mailing list posts, zdnet articles, etc.
try for yourself.
Example Here
Great ideas often receive violent opposition from mediocre minds. - Albert Einstein
..was for 'weed'. When i saw the little rasta-like flags next to the results i thought M$ finally had made something cool.
:P
Oh and if you search for "/." (no quotes), the first result is www.netscape.com , followed by microsoft.com
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My old college roommate is on the MSN Search team. Talking to him a few weekends back, he said they were a little bit scared of what was gonna happen when the beta site made /., specifically because they were running off something like 1/20 of the HW.
Seems like in this go-round, they're trying to make sure they've got results right.
The phrase I searched for showed up on the home page of the site originally, but it has sinced moved into the archives. That is to be expected with dynamically generated pages. With Google, there is a cache, so if the engine makes a poor link choice, I can look at the cache and make a better one.
Search engine deficiency is easily detected: by what it cannot or does not find. I suspect Microsoft engine will be pretty biased against open source technology and competitors, and pro to minion partners. Attractive for blind consumers, but less practical for IT specialists.
Well, I predict a failure to Microsoft, unless they will run indexing and lookup machinery on some better platform than theirs.
There you are, staring at me again.
Search Error
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Begun, the Search Engine war has.
odd, they must not like /. referal headers.
I did an "ego surf" on my last name, and got no results. Google returns almost 300 references (I have an uncommon last name). I'm not impressed.
Searching for "open source" or "free software" gives no results. "xfree 86" crashes the search and gives an error. Hmm...
Uber-corporation Microsoft (c) announced a new search service today. Microsoft bigwig Steve Ballmer had this to say:
"Our new search engine is the ultimate in modern search technology. It indexes the entire internet and stores it in a Microsoft Access (tm) database. Users querying the engine for a given term (such as "linux") are given links to a random assortment of possibly-related sites."
(interviewer) Google's search is lauded as highly relevant and lightening fast. Yet you've innovated and taken a different course, returning random results. Why is this better than Google's method?
(S.B.) "Well, you have to keep in mind that our concern is the average windows user. We have discovered a flaw in Google's technology; the heavy reliance on research, strong programming and intelligence, while novel, has resulted in a system where relevant, useful results are returned very quickly."
(interviewer) ..and your method is better than this because...
(S.B.) "Ok. When someone searches on Google, they are limited to only relevant items, because that's what Google has latched onto. The weakness in Google's method is that most pages are not returned, because a machine has decided they are irrelevant. The new Microsoft (c) paradigm is that we let the USER decide what's relevant and what's not; the machine makes no determination of what is or is not relevant. See how it's better? Look, 99% of all computers in the world run Windows. And people don't mind rebooting, not at all. We've added value to this model, someone's got to do the work, why not just dump it on the user, let them take the blame? My porsche won't go any slower because someone else had to do extra work. That's the beauty of the Microsoft way (tm)! We let other people do all the work, then we take the credit."
(interviewer) But most people say they like Google specifically *because* it returns relevant terms so quickly.. aren't you just dumping all the work of searching back on the user's lap?
(S.B.) "You clearly are an enemy of innovation. Look, People are smarter than machines. Therefore, since a person can only view one page at a time, a person must view every existing web page to know whether or not their guess of which page is most relevant, is in fact true. And so, our search engine is better, because we don't prevent the user--"
(interviewer) Isn't this all just a semantic argument against your economic competitor and technological superior, Google?
(S.B.) "This interview is over."
A Microsoft Public Relations Representative did note that search terms pertaining to the purchase of goods and services did in fact not return random results, and in point of fact return only a single link, to www.microsoft.com.
"A witty saying proves nothing." ~Voltaire
"d'Oh!" ~Homer
When I searchedd for "linux", I got no results found for "linux", then a couple minutes later, it returned some results, then when I clicked to goto the next page, it crapped out with this cryptic error message:
Search Error
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No results. Google...89k results with Fender's website at the top. :) I'd say it isn't quite ready for prime time regardless of the speed or lack thereof it executes with.
Given how much glee folks take in bashing M$ you'd think they wouldn't preview non working tech. Oh well.
MSN - worked
Mozilla - Worked
Linux - Worked
DRM - Worked
apple - worked
slashdot - worked (thank god!)
1+1 - "Search Error" (What no Calculator?)
Opera - didn't work first time, second it did
Open Source - "search error"
them - "search error"
Search Error - "No Results Found"
Seems to me MS has got this search thing down just like they've got everything else going for them.
Remember when the MSN filtered out xfree86 as adult content? Well seems that code has appeared in here as well.
Searching on 'xfree86' returns You have entered a search term that is likely to return adult content.
What's funny is that searching on 'xfree87' or 'xfree85' or even 'xfree69' returns legitimate pages.
Google's getting attacked hard by "Search Engine Optimizers." There are many times I do a search and I see "junk" sites that consist of many pages of computer-generated text and "link farms". There are even a number of sites that copy content, like reviews, from Amazon, and just link back to Amazon with their ID in the link so they get a spiff. (Here'a an example of such a site!
A little compeition to Google will help the industry develop better technology against search-engine spammers, and will give us a choice.
Best Buy can have you arrested
I got an error.
How am i not surprised?
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If you search for Microsoft Sucks, it searches for a long time, and then tells you 0 results. Google gave me 390,000 results for this. Then, if you search for Microsoft is Wonderful, you get 15 results after a long time searching. Google gives you 1,130,000 results. Maybe Google is the one messed up, because there should be lots of results for Microsoft Sucks, but only maybe 2 for Microsoft is Wonderful, and those should be at www.microsoft.com.
Please try again in a few minutes. What is this an 8 ball? I never thought u could get a search engine that crashed as much as windows me. what else can they get to crash, maybe they can upgrade hotmail and make it crash too, or upgrade notepad to make it faster
Are they being choosy in deciding from whom they will accept feedback? When I click the "submit" button (using Firefox on Linux) nothing seems to happen except that an error message appears in the Javascript console: "Error: changeImage is not defined".
flossie
Write now. Defend liberty
my query which was my first one just returned the following, no kidding:
"Search Error
MSN Search is temporarily unable to process your request.
Please try again in a few minutes."
Search Error
[snip]
MSN Search is temporarily unable to process your request.
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entered "sex" and what do i get?
You have entered a search term that is likely to return adult content.
Warning: If you are under 18 or live in an area where it is illegal for you to view explicit content, please revise your search.
and thats all? wtf?! where is my pr0n!?
Googlebot/2.1 (Compliant; MSNSearch/2.0; Windows XP; +http://techpreview.search.msn.com/)
My amazing wife - Artist, Author, Philosopher - Laurie M
As the ultimate test of a search engine, I entered my " (first name) (last name)" - without the brackets, of course - and the results were terrible. Google pulls up 213 results...this msn thing pulls up 5, yes FIVE.
This can be the only relevant test for me, and since the performance is so miserable, I deem it an absolute failure!
funny how xfree86 returns "You have entered a search term that is likely to return adult content."
If you search for xfree87 or xfree76, you actually get results. Strangely, xfree69 doesn't tell you about adult content. What is wrong with 86? Was 1986 the year of pr0n?
apparently there was an episode of sex in the city that mentioned a rabbit that wasn't of your typical garden variety and that used batteries... leading to spammers sending a flood of offers for R/\bb|tS and MSN Hotmail subsequently throwing them all in my junk folder. maybe they use their spam filters in the search engine as well?
Intrestingly,
nigritude ultramarine
produces no results, but
"nigritude ultramarine"
produces a bunch.
Don't know how useful that's gonna be.
It's not wasting time, I'm educating myself.
lol, I would never trust the results from this! A search for the "best search engine" returns one result, itself. I would expect to see google there as they are by far the largest. Even MS can't argue that. I want real results, not MS's wishful fantasies.
Sorry, no results were found containing "linux"
SEARCH TIPS
1) Check your spelling. Are the words in your query spelled correctly?
2) Try using synonyms. Maybe the site you're looking for uses slightly different words, like "film" instead of "movie".
3) Make your search more general. For example, instead of using specific product names, try using the generic product category.
Did you find what you were looking for? Send us Feedback!
The government which is strong enough to protect you from everything is strong enough to take everything from you.
Looks like MS fails the apple test they made a big deal about with google.
Sorry, no results were found containing "Windows"
SEARCH TIPS
1) Check your spelling. Are the words in your query spelled correctly?
2) Try using synonyms. Maybe the site you're looking for uses slightly different words, like "film" instead of "movie".
3) Make your search more general. For example, instead of using specific product names, try using the generic product category.
there's no place like ~
"Wat a freaking kool!" MSN Search is temporarily unable to process your request. Please try again in a few minutes. EID: f:1658889542 - 1041:1041:10004:1059 HC: 71d61b14
Welcome to a sneak peek of MSN's new search technology. What do we have under the hood? A brand new algorithmic search engine -- built from the ground up -- on Microsoft technology.
[entered search query] (vanity search =-)
Search Error
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Yep, it's Microsoft technology alright.
It's true no man is an island, but if you take a bunch of dead guys and tie 'em together, they make a good raft.
I'm involved in many linux projects, any
search of my name or anything related to linux
is banned. If I put my surname on Google 8
of 10 results will be about me, on MSN
I don't appear because (I think) I have
"linux" as a keyword in my metatags.
Very Microsoft-like:
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Firstly, it really sucks. It cannot find anything. I typed in a number of strings that google would always reliably find and it failed to return a single link.
Secondly, its sllllloooowwwww. Thats what happens when you use Windows servers instead of Linux etc..
Thirdly, as mentioned above, it may be biased, although I admit it did return one measly link for google - the link to www.google.com.
Finally, I am very amused that Microsoft have failed to set a good first impression here. We don't need more search engines. We need more good public web content..
I typed in "slashdotted" and got this:
MSN Search is temporarily unable to process your request.
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Back to the drawing board!
Imagine how much harder physics would be if electrons had feelings! -Feynman, maybe
Google
i on&abuse=privacy&redirect=www.google.com
Search engine returns keyword search results based on relevance of content and the number of links to a particular URL from other sites.
www.google.com
this is no where near as nicely put as the results for 'msn search' (which list special features etc...)?
a search for all my favourite distros also seems to show up not much relevance. If this is microsoft's way of getting rid of competition, it sickens me.
Also another down side to this search engine is that the links are logged through a microsoft site like www.somemicrosoftsite.com/?log=cookies&steal=sess
truly sickening. If this is their idea of a "New Algorithm" (logging clicks), then they really have hit rock bottom, and they continue to dig. If microsoft were any more stupid, you'd have to water it twice a week.
I expect to see microsoft patches, service packs, office products, inferior browsers and entire operating systems that use this same approach to minimizing competition in the near future.
Search ErrorMSN Search is temporarily unable to process your request. Please try again in a few minutes. EID: f:2114719238 - 1041:1041:10004:1059 HC: 71d61b16
Search Error
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Ha ha!
In every case I've checked in this discussion where somebody finds a search which returns no results (e.g., "cat", somewhere above -- yep, "cat" returned ZERO results), it starts returning results later on.
So... How do you explain this?
Perhaps somebody at MS is reading this discussion and fixing the cases reported here. That sounds implausible to me, dunno 'bout you.
It's more reasonable to assume that there's some meaningful reason why this is happening: MS may be annoying, but they do have competent programmers there. Maybe the engine is supposed to be "learning" what people are interested in searching for, or something wacky like that.
Chances are, it's doing (or trying to do) something which sounded clever to some PhD at MS Research, and at the moment the implementation isn't working very well. But any company which could make Windows reasonably stable (even if it did take them over a decade) can eventually write a search engine that actually finds things. They will do this while everybody at Slashdot is still busy laughing at what idiots they are. Netscape learned this the hard way. A lot of UNIX companies (remember UNIX? Obsolete OS, sort of like Windows but even less compatible with itself, and without the usability or manageability features) did the same.
I've never yet met anybody who'll admit to posting on Slashdot. So who are all these people?!
Search Error: MSN Search is temporarily unable to process your request. Please try again in a few minutes.
This is what my results were:
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I searched for 'panasonic digital camera' and got no results - Google had thousands.
I tried to submit a comment. The link was bad.
I wanted them to add a new feature to the search engine. "Find something!!!"
I can hardly wait for this search engine to go mainstream.
get the point?
Whitin 3 years google is dead.
I searched for "porn" and i got this message.... You have entered a search term that is likely to return adult content. Warning: If you are under 18 or live in an area where it is illegal for you to view explicit content, please revise your search. Go Back to Search Technology Preview Ill stick to google....
When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up... reading.-Henny Youngman
i hope it gets more useful every day... right now its usefulness is 0.
Must be slashdoted.
Next story, "Slashdot takes down microsoft". I'll stick to google.
2004: Over 1 Billions pages searched...
2006: Over 100 Trillions pages searched...
2007: DuoDectillions Searched...
It seems they've some work to do in ordering their search results.
I'm old enough to remember when discussions on Slashdot were well informed.
they must have seen your post cause I got a bunch of hits. The problem is, and this is related to other searches I've tried, you don't need 100 links to http://www.wikipedia.org/sometopic. Google is guilty of this to some extent too at least for a wikipedia search.
l m.com/contact
h ttp://palm.com/whatever
t p://chat.org/archives/palm/aug-2003
but peep this: I did a search for "Jim's blog" to see if it would pull up my friend's blog in the first few pages like google does. The MSN search came up with the popular "Jim's blog" links followed by dozens (hundreds?) of links to subpages on those first few links.
When I'm looking for say, "palm help", I don't want a list like:
http://palm.com
http://palm.com/faq
http://pa
.
.
.
http://palm.com/support
I expect something useful like
http://palm.com
http://palm.com/support
http://palmusers.org
ht
.
.
.
Simple conclusion: It sucks ass. at least for now.
Blaze a trail to the New World
Maybe I'm just blessed. Google is all over my site. Searching for my name on Google returns my site as the number one hit, and sites about me are 1,2,3 and 8.
:)
All the other sites return stuff that hasn't changed in 5 years or more. A few are smart enough to get the perl module I put on CPAN, which is at least something.
Here's the bot's listing from my site.
I've not submitted anything to any search engine. Google is the only one that has found me after two years. Microsoft doesn't even know I exist.
Mod me down and I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine!
Search engine /.ed!!
:: www.google.com]
[mirror
Privacy is terrorism.
I did a search. It took about 30 seconds and didn't have a total. Google doesn't have much to worry about until the search time is reduced to under 5 seconds.
Kind of suprsising
Why? Netscan isn't a Google Groups replacement or lookalike, it's some sort of research project on connections between groups and on authors. And even more of a privacy nightmare than Google (that profile feature). But I don't know US law, it's probably perfectly legal.
I host some popular sites. One of my access logs is ~1 GB/day. In addition to Webalizer'ing and awstat'ing my logs, I personally look in there. I see all the crawlers scanning me, and MS's is nowhere near the top.
A Search for "google" brings up a lot of responses. They're not taking out all the competition
Eh ... how do I tell that MSN thinks it's adult content? I followed your link (subtracting the added space) and got a number of XFree86 relevant results.
Microsoft's new search engine seems to duplicate "Google bombs".
A search for "miserable failure" or "weapons of mass destruction" yields the familiar results.
Microsoft's new search technology, however, has brought fame to latest most "talentless hack".
So, critics of google bombing won't find any relief from Microsoft...
Not that I post on slashdot or anything.
Well, it just will not respond at all now. Does anyone have a link to the Google cache for techpreview.search.msn.com so I can try it out? :-)
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I did a search for "developers developers developers developers developers" and didn't get what I was looking for. It came up with Macromedia.com as the first hit (?) and I didn't see what I was looking for in any of the hits. Tried it on Google though and got the goods.
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
Why, oh why, does Microsoft have to rely on Javascript for this page, when a simple HTML form would do?
... Alas, nobody's perfect
"Would it kill you to put down the toilet seat?" -- Maya Angelou
MSDN's search engine is so abysmally bad, I dropped it years ago and now just use Google. For example "CRegKey example" gives a link into the MSDN documentation, plus links to several examples on usage. The same search on MSN's search does not show the MSDN page as the first link and does not have any really good examples on the front page.
Sad. They can't even search their own documentation effectively.
google vs. msft
What is this?
http://support.msn.com/networkstatus.aspx
Link Text: Cosmic Encounter Online
Link: http://g.msn.com/9SE/1?http://www.cosmicencounter
Google Search results for "Cosmic Encounter"
Link Text: Cosmic Encounter Online - multiplayer online game
Link: http://www.cosmicencounter.com/
You sunk my battleship!
Yep, slashdotted.
It also went out on ArsTechnica and Microsoft Watch this morning, just to be sure it'd be inundated by all geeks possible.
Before it went under, I compared a couple search results to google. The results were similar. The main thing I noticed is that google's threaded display really helps identify multiple results from the same site, whereas MSN is still displaying individually.
I also noticed the MSN search was slow, but the volume of traffic coming from slashdot and elsewhere makes it impossible to discern how fast or slow it really is under normal load.
// harborpirate
// Slashbots off the starboard bow!
I tried typing in 'QGI', the acronmy for an open source project I started/dropped a few years ago, as a test. The first 5 ranked pages come up and point to www.quorumgroup.ca. The first ranked page was index.html, and the next four were single clicks off of index.html. Seems a bit redundant. Maybe I'm just picky, but I think the point of a search engine is variety.
"I am the Black Mage! I casts the spells that makes the peoples fall down!" ~8BT
Search Google:
MSN
Results 1-15 containing "google"
all results are google.com however they give google.uk, google.ca, google.fr
Altivista
AltaVista found 28,645,050 results
the results on the first page are varied
3 are google.com, answers.google.com, news.google.com
Never could figure out why my girl liked my bitch tits, then I found out she was a lesbian.
What's to stop them from making the next version of IE have a built-in MSN searchbar?
I just ran a search on Microsoft's new search engine and I accidentally crashed the internet. My bad.
Search for 'Microsoft sucks' For some reason, no web pages could be found...
On an aside, the ulitimate combination would be in Google would buy Archive.org and you would be able to get a historical cache of every site on the web from the very beginning.
Also, I will find if very very hard to ever trust Microsoft to give me real, unbiased, un-pre-purchased search results. Google is equally a stockowner owned, megacorp, but (so far) they have shown a spirit of remaining honest and aboveboard. Microsoft definitely does not have this kind of rep ...
The contrast is more extreme if you feed "search engine" into one or the other. The results from AltaVista fall in between in quality, leaving aside the sponsored links.
//Information does not want to be free; it wants to breed.
first result: MSN
Mozilla, Firefox, Safari and Opera don't even appear on the first page... (Lynx is #4 though. I _told_ people it was ready to take over the world!)
Sure, "rabbit" is a common term, but does that mean, that real users will actually search for it? Maybe the algorithm relies on more information, such as "rabbit breeding", or whatever. It's like searching for "computers", a virtually useless search. Creating a algorithm that works on common input, instead of ANY input, to improve results, might not be such a dumb thing. But who knows.
It's also likely, that the search returns so many hits, but they're all values so low, that no one stands out. Much like how the new MySQL searching works.
It's of course also possible that the algorithm is crap.
Those searches worked for me, all fairly well. For the distros, all but Mandrake and Gentoo returned the main page first--and the first result for Gentoo is their store.
I thought what set Linux users apart was that they avoided using FUD?
"Science is a way of trying not to fool yourself." -Richard Feynman
Validation by W3.org for www.microsoft.com and another for their new search engine
I wonder if they sent an internal e-mail to all their webmasters...The best weapon of a dictatorship is secrecy, but the best weapon of a democracy should be the weapon of openness.
It is really good. See the "fuck bill gates" result:
q =f uck+bill+gates&FORM=SMCRT
http://techpreview.search.msn.com/results.aspx?
When going to the search engine section in awstats from my web server I see something very obvious. If something changes Googlebot is there after 2-3 minutes (thanks to adsense). Also Googlebot is back most frequently over the day and with a much higher amount of readed pages than all others. Yahoo seems to be in second place but much behind Googlebot. Don't ask which low frequency M$ has. :-)
To my point of view this means that Google has a cutting edge amount of GNU/Linux servers (100000 or 300000+ or ?)running to be able to do this. Nobody else seems to be able to catch them in this and at leat not M$ with boxes running under M$ crap systems. We have here some funny oximoron for for Bill and Steve as long as they use there own crap.
Enter in a single "*" and the first result is www.google.com - so if I'm looking for everything, that's the place to go?
"Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
I tried to search for 'filip 600' - a model RC sailplane I'm flying now, and new MS engine came up with several directly relevant pages that I have never seen on Google. So far - extremely impressive!
Results 1-15 containing "wikipedia"...
MS is better than Google at finding litigious bastards.
first result: google.com
three degrees has been out there for some time, it uses XP's p2p networking and does allow "live" music sharing among friends.
search: suitable operating system for business critical applications :-D
first hit: www.google.com
LOL!
Well it sort of makes sense:
x as in x-rated
free as in free prn
8 as in a boobs
6 as in sex (or 69)
x96 - the site for couples that don't have sex
I'm still trying to figure out what people mean by 'social skills' here.
Looks like they've made some adjustments.
I'm not tense. I'm just terribly, terribly, alert.