The first is that prior art exists. Since pmail has been in existance since the 1980s, the only infringer is Pegasus Mail, by attempting to usurp the pmail name. As such, a simple letter request should be legally sufficient to force them to disgorge the pmail.com domain, as an infringement.
Uh ??? Sorry - Pegasus Mail exists since the eighties. And it has always been called pmail colloquially - check bit.listserv.pmail. This guy's pmail exists since when ? What is it at all ??
(Not to mention the fact that 'prior art' as a concept relates to Patent and not Trademark law).
Second, creation of the domain "pmail" for "pegasus mail" does not, in and of itself create a correspondance between "pegasus mail" and "pmail".
This is correct but irrelevant. A large and active user community uses this correspondance on the internet for more than 10 years now.
Pleasde check your facts
f. A happy User of Pegaus Mail (aka Pmail like pmail.exe and winpmail.exe) since about 1990.
The morons at Pegasus Mail demanded that I rename my program "pmail" because they thought it was confusingly similar to their product name.
With all due respect, you are an idiot.
"The Morons at Pegasus Mail" is actually David Harris, a widely respected and reknown Freeware Author. Pmail (as Pegaus Mail is actually called by its users) has been around since the late eighties as well, and has always been a free product. David makes a living by selling manuals.
Pegasus Mail is one of the earliest fully functional RFC822 mailers, its DOS version probably the last remaining usefull DOS mail software. There are a number of newsgroups about Pegasus Mail (at least some of them with the string pmail).
None of this can be said about your program 'pmail'. I don't know it, but even among free software products there is value in distinguishing names. It is a matter of consumer confusion.
Pegasus Mail is everything but a big corporate outlet (even if David has a few employees), so please stop slamming him here.
Assumed, after Napster there came another tool for sharing music files, which avoided the tactical pitfalls of Napster (beeing a single legal entity to sue). And after that came another one, which avoided the pitfall of easy detectability. And so on.
Where would you stop ? Assumed the very existence of the internet as a free, user empowering network was at stake, and one would be forced to replace it entirely by a completely government controlled and constantly supervised network to prevent users from sharing your files - ist there a point where you would say 'No - that's not worth it ?' Or are your revenue streams an objective that justifies any means whatsoever ?
This is a nice Illustration of why its not sufficient to know a few words. This (verbatim) translation of "I'm English" actually has no meaning in German. You would either say "Ich bin Engländer" (meaning "I'm an Englishman")or "Ich spreche Englisch" (I speak English); but the direct relation of a noun and a language has no place in this sentence.
It took me substantial time to get from "English, learnt in school, sufficient for reading TV manuals" to the kind of elementary conversational English I can write and (to some extent) speak now. This in turn means that Americans and English will have a substantial advantage in a worldwide society which is built upon that lingua franca. Although I both agree to the objective need for some lingua franka and the appropriateness of English for that task, I nonetheless see this as a serious problem.
If I speak english as my first language, I'll post in english, [... whatever you say...] This is how people work. People will always make their web-pages in the most convenient language. This is frequently english.
Oh boy. By this shining example of brilliant reasoning, large parts of Usenet or the Web wouldn't exist. Heck - there wouldn't even be Linux, since Linus had made his Posts to comp.minix in Finnish, which none of his early adopters would have understood.
The real sorry aspect of Englísh as a lingua franca is that it assures some idiots that they don't have to learn any language at all. As evidenced...
It will never be esperanto. You're wasting our time with stupid questions like this.
Here you are right. He was asking (provoking ?) you to think. Which is a waste of time.
Americans bundle English with their exports. American Movies? English. American music? English. American operating systems? English. (I'm thinking of UNIX and MS-DOS commands.) American-designed programmic languages? English (if, then, foreach, printf, etc.).
Funny that you bring that up. At one point in time I decided to comment and document all my program code in English (I am German) just because I couldn't stand that constant mixing of languages within the same text any more (Software in High Level Programming Languages is inherently part of its own documentation)
On an unrelated note, English is quite ok for everyday or technical use, but I really miss the broadth of expressive instruments I have in German - and that is even less than you find in truly complicated languages. Expressing nuances in English is usually a matter of talking around them. Quite a number of other languages have the means to express them directly.
English has some real positive attributes to recommend it over other languages as a lingua franca - the rich vocabulary, the great body of literature (rivaled only by Greek and Sanskrit),
Oh my god!What are you trying to do ? Reinforce any stupid prejudice people might have of Americans as uneducated self centric idiots ? So let me say it a little more simple: Take Shakespeare away and look who's left from your "great body of literature". Drama: who's left ? Uhm... ? Who ?? Who's supposed to rival the likes of Goethe, Schiller, Kleist and countless others who wrote in German ? Take Poetry. Yeah, there's Keats and Browning and perhaps a few others, but would you actually dare to compare them to the wealth of classic poetry from France ?
Your comment about Greek just shows your ignorance - while there are great works of art, their numbers are very limited and Greek cannot compare to the literaric volume of any living language. (And before you start arguing with me about that - I do understand classical Greek - do you ? )
To repeat CT's most recent pet quote: Gegen Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens (Friedrich Schiller)
> German [extra characters now officially deprecated by German gov't]
This is nonsense. The recent orthography reform - enacted jointly by the three German speaking countries (Germany, Austria, Switzerland)- has not abolished any German characters - both umlauts and the esszett will stay. Only in a limited number of cases esszett has been replaced by a double s.
Like it or not (I strongly dislike the reform, both its content and the way it was introduced (essentially it was decided on by an obscure comittee nobody knew of and without involvement of the public), but the abolishment of German Umlauts is fortunately not among its achievements.
I have seen this argument comment over and over and over now
Let me simplify it a bit. In old times, when a singer sang, he was paid for it. When nobody paid, he didn't sing. And apparantly many people paid - there is a wealth of Music from times nobody was discussing Copyright. Nowadays folks that have less musical talent than a piece of wood expect to get richer than Midas for some crap they made.
It is nowhere written in stone that musicians have to be millionaires. If they could just make a decent living, the world would not come to an end. And if there's nobody to pay the singer, his music is most likely not that great anyway. He and the world would be better off if he worked as a store clerk.
So don't believe their whining. Do you actually think the world would suffer if the Metallica guys would earn about as much as any decent auto mechanic ?
But frankly, with an apparent 30 user download limit, this site is a joke. These days, where everybody has 20 Gigs of diskpace in his home pc, why don't you build your own iso image from source yourself ?
It is not that complicated - well, at least if you have a decent OS/Distribution, like FreeBSD *eg*
> If this is true it will not be shown in Germany It will. It just won't get any state funding - and that's the whole deal.
Scientology whiners like Chick Corea liked to yell censorship and bloody murder when they were not invented to state funded events or institutions - like the taxpayer had some kind of obligation to fund their mindless drivel....
Hmm... while talking about correct attribution, we won't forget the guy in question actually had a real name: I think you were talking about Gaius Iulius, an offspring of the old and noble Family of Iulians.
Just because some of his political 'friends' and enemies gave him a nickname shouldn't allow you to forget this.
Gosh!! Among all folks it had to be Godfrey to win such a settllement. How patently absurd!
Godfrey used to be a known Usenet troll who held strong contempt for (IIRC) Germans and Thais and used to tell these opinions freely and in most deliberate offensive ways in the respective Usenet groups soc.culture.german and soc.culture.thai.
Obviously the English legal system has gone mad once more...
Forgive me folks... the Bar ?? isn't that kind of the lawyers' professional organization ?
And they call for a broad applicability of patent law ? What chuzpah! this is like the Fraternal order of the Police calling for more crime!
Gosh folks, maybe you shouldn't start reforming patent regulation. Maybe it's time to start with lawyer regulation. Quite a number of countries in the world are already very successful at that.
Source: You can freely use this program. Source is not available and I am ignoring all e-maill messages with request for it. If you dislike such policy, please feel free not to use it.
I suggest following the authors's advice: Do not use that. This policy stinks
Check Out Teraterm with the ttssh module. Nice, Stable, complete, widely in use, and all the source is available.
You are not a cybersquatter. You "buy and sell domain real estate"
What a pile of hogwash. Lou are a liar. Maybe you lie to yourself as well, but it's a lie nonetheless.
There is no such thing as 'domain real estate'. By registering domain names which you do'nt want to use in your own business, you deny others who have a use for it access to them. You extort money from them.
The real question is if your activities add any value to anything, for which you might reasonably expect payment.
There is none. You simply leech money from your victims. A domain has not gotten a single bit 'better' just because it went through your hands and miraculously went from $100 to $10k. You don't create value, you just try to profit from other people's hard work.
Your only excuse is that everybody else does it as well. Yawn.
Get lost and die. (and, yes, Jon K., that suggestion is quite justified in this case).
RSAREF is a library implementing the RSA algorithm
since the RSA algorithm is patented by RSADSI in the US, you may not use RSA without either a special license or linking to RSAREF, which contains some general license.
since this stupid patent is only valid in USA, the above paragraph only applies in USA
people outside the US usually use other - better - RSA implementations
as a side note, the buffer overflow problem is not in RSAREF but in the glue code used by ssh to link to it
ssh can be compiled without rsaref. AFAIK it even does so out of the box.
the legality of using ssh without rsaref in the USA is shady. In most cases you are infringing on RSADSI's patents. If this alone is illegal (punishable) is unknown to me; certainly it's ground for them to sue you. YMMV
I don't understand that at all. This is just some bits. Data. It have not even a remote clue why they couldnt give the guy the domain back ? Hey, all it takes is a fschking databse entry.
If you do a paper transaction, and that is invalid, someone corrects it. Where's the deal ?
Errors happen wherever people work. I don't understand why Network Solutions has no error handling procedure, and why everybody seems to think they don't need one. And why everybody here thinks they shouldn't correct what is a simple error.
- the guy is charged with the topict of sects. The German Word for that is 'Sekte'. 'Sekt' on the other hand is Champagne... so this is a Babelfish error. - The guy is just speculating. Don't hold your breath. The regulation in question is aimed at keeping dubious and untrustworthy $cientology cover firm from doing government related work. I doubt they apply it here.
First, This is not going to be Debian FreeBSD. FreeBSD (as the other BSDs) regards itself as an operating system, not a kernel. If you replace userland, it's going to be something else - and I'd be surprised if FreeBSD Inc. would allow them to call it FreeBSD. If they are serious, they will end up with a name like Debian GNU/BSD. Let's call it DebianBSD for now.
Second, this is going to be a very linuxified BSD. You inherit practically all of Linux' organizational/architectural problems while sacrificing a number of BSD's most impressive strengths. I don't think it will be superior to either pure Linux or FreeBSD.
Third, having said all this, I think it's a Good Thing (TM) nonetheless. Becauser, hopefully, the developers will have a lot of fun doing it, they will find a number of interesting and challenging problems that eventually will find their way back into the respective communities, and they will fall across countless quirks nobody before has seen or thought about. The mutual technical understanding between the communities could be enhanced, and both systems should improve in the effort.
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(Not to mention the fact that 'prior art' as a concept relates to Patent and not Trademark law). This is correct but irrelevant. A large and active user community uses this correspondance on the internet for more than 10 years now.
Pleasde check your facts
f.
A happy User of Pegaus Mail (aka Pmail like pmail.exe and winpmail.exe) since about 1990.
"The Morons at Pegasus Mail" is actually David Harris, a widely respected and reknown Freeware Author. Pmail (as Pegaus Mail is actually called by its users) has been around since the late eighties as well, and has always been a free product. David makes a living by selling manuals.
Pegasus Mail is one of the earliest fully functional RFC822 mailers, its DOS version probably the last remaining usefull DOS mail software. There are a number of newsgroups about Pegasus Mail (at least some of them with the string pmail).
None of this can be said about your program 'pmail'. I don't know it, but even among free software products there is value in distinguishing names. It is a matter of consumer confusion.
Pegasus Mail is everything but a big corporate outlet (even if David has a few employees), so please stop slamming him here.
f.
Assumed, after Napster there came another tool for sharing music files, which avoided the tactical pitfalls of Napster (beeing a single legal entity to sue). And after that came another one, which avoided the pitfall of easy detectability. And so on.
Where would you stop ? Assumed the very existence of the internet as a free, user empowering network was at stake, and one would be forced to replace it entirely by a completely government controlled and constantly supervised network to prevent users from sharing your files - ist there a point where you would say 'No - that's not worth it ?' Or are your revenue streams an objective that justifies any means whatsoever ?
f.
It took me substantial time to get from "English, learnt in school, sufficient for reading TV manuals" to the kind of elementary conversational English I can write and (to some extent) speak now. This in turn means that Americans and English will have a substantial advantage in a worldwide society which is built upon that lingua franca. Although I both agree to the objective need for some lingua franka and the appropriateness of English for that task, I nonetheless see this as a serious problem.
f.
The real sorry aspect of Englísh as a lingua franca is that it assures some idiots that they don't have to learn any language at all. As evidenced... Here you are right. He was asking (provoking ?) you to think. Which is a waste of time.
f.
On an unrelated note, English is quite ok for everyday or technical use, but I really miss the broadth of expressive instruments I have in German - and that is even less than you find in truly complicated languages. Expressing nuances in English is usually a matter of talking around them. Quite a number of other languages have the means to express them directly.
f.
Your comment about Greek just shows your ignorance - while there are great works of art, their numbers are very limited and Greek cannot compare to the literaric volume of any living language. (And before you start arguing with me about that - I do understand classical Greek - do you ? )
To repeat CT's most recent pet quote: Gegen Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens (Friedrich Schiller)
f.
> German [extra characters now officially deprecated by German gov't]
This is nonsense. The recent orthography reform - enacted jointly by the three German speaking countries (Germany, Austria, Switzerland)- has not abolished any German characters - both umlauts and the esszett will stay. Only in a limited number of cases esszett has been replaced by a double s.
Like it or not (I strongly dislike the reform, both its content and the way it was introduced (essentially it was decided on by an obscure comittee nobody knew of and without involvement of the public), but the abolishment of German Umlauts is fortunately not among its achievements.
f.
> You can't justify criminal acts by saying, "I'm poor"
You actually can. At leat in Germany they can't prosecute you for stealing food if you don't have any. Which is a good thing
f.
I have seen this argument comment over and over and over now
Let me simplify it a bit. In old times, when a singer sang, he was paid for it. When nobody paid, he didn't sing. And apparantly many people paid - there is a wealth of Music from times nobody was discussing Copyright. Nowadays folks that have less musical talent than a piece of wood expect to get richer than Midas for some crap they made.
It is nowhere written in stone that musicians have to be millionaires. If they could just make a decent living, the world would not come to an end. And if there's nobody to pay the singer, his music is most likely not that great anyway. He and the world would be better off if he worked as a store clerk.
So don't believe their whining. Do you actually think the world would suffer if the Metallica guys would earn about as much as any decent auto mechanic ?
f.
Nice try.
But frankly, with an apparent 30 user download limit, this site is a joke. These days, where everybody has 20 Gigs of diskpace in his home pc, why don't you build your own iso image from source yourself ?
It is not that complicated - well, at least if you have a decent OS/Distribution, like FreeBSD *eg*
f.
Click on Teams in the Finals side bar
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> If this is true it will not be shown in Germany It will. It just won't get any state funding - and that's the whole deal.
Scientology whiners like Chick Corea liked to yell censorship and bloody murder when they were not invented to state funded events or institutions - like the taxpayer had some kind of obligation to fund their mindless drivel....
f.
Hmm... while talking about correct attribution, we won't forget the guy in question actually had a real name: I think you were talking about Gaius Iulius, an offspring of the old and noble Family of Iulians.
Just because some of his political 'friends' and enemies gave him a nickname shouldn't allow you to forget this.
f.
Gosh!!
Among all folks it had to be Godfrey to win such a settllement. How patently absurd!
Godfrey used to be a known Usenet troll who held strong contempt for (IIRC) Germans and Thais and used to tell these opinions freely and in most deliberate offensive ways in the respective Usenet groups soc.culture.german and soc.culture.thai.
Obviously the English legal system has gone mad once more...
Forgive me folks... the Bar ?? isn't that kind of the lawyers' professional organization ?
And they call for a broad applicability of patent law ? What chuzpah!
this is like the Fraternal order of the Police calling for more crime!
Gosh folks, maybe you shouldn't start reforming patent regulation. Maybe it's time to start with lawyer regulation.
Quite a number of countries in the world are already very successful at that.
f.
I suggest following the authors's advice: Do not use that. This policy stinks
Check Out Teraterm with the ttssh module. Nice, Stable, complete, widely in use, and all the source is available.
--f
Well.
You are not a cybersquatter. You "buy and sell domain real estate"
What a pile of hogwash. Lou are a liar. Maybe you lie to yourself as well, but it's a lie nonetheless.
There is no such thing as 'domain real estate'. By registering domain names which you do'nt want to use in your own business, you deny others who have a use for it access to them. You extort money from them.
The real question is if your activities add any value to anything, for which you might reasonably expect payment.
There is none. You simply leech money from your victims. A domain has not gotten a single bit 'better' just because it went through your hands and miraculously went from $100 to $10k. You don't create value, you just try to profit from other people's hard work.
Your only excuse is that everybody else does it as well. Yawn.
Get lost and die. (and, yes, Jon K., that suggestion is quite justified in this case).
f.
RSAREF is a library implementing the RSA algorithm
since the RSA algorithm is patented by RSADSI in the US, you may not use RSA without either a special license or linking to RSAREF, which contains some general license.
since this stupid patent is only valid in USA, the above paragraph only applies in USA
people outside the US usually use other - better - RSA implementations
as a side note, the buffer overflow problem is not in RSAREF but in the glue code used by ssh to link to it
ssh can be compiled without rsaref. AFAIK it even does so out of the box.
the legality of using ssh without rsaref in the USA is shady. In most cases you are infringing on RSADSI's patents. If this alone is illegal (punishable) is unknown to me; certainly it's ground for them to sue you. YMMV
I don't understand that at all. This is just some bits. Data. It have not even a remote clue why they couldnt give the guy the domain back ? Hey, all it takes is a fschking databse entry.
If you do a paper transaction, and that is invalid, someone corrects it. Where's the deal ?
Errors happen wherever people work. I don't understand why Network Solutions has no error handling procedure, and why everybody seems to think they don't need one. And why everybody here thinks they shouldn't correct what is a simple error.
Stupid Americans...
Frankly, the international standards buerocracy and its secretive money culture is not fit for the information age.
Modula II, which was standardized to death in deadlocked comitees is one exmaple.
Or, just think of how the internet evolved despite of and often against the ITU/CCITT bodies.
This is nonsense as well. _The_ catholic
Church hasn't even a central Authority in
Germany.
It is just some guy charged with studying sects,
who is speculating.
- the guy is charged with the topict of sects.
The German Word for that is 'Sekte'. 'Sekt'
on the other hand is Champagne... so this is
a Babelfish error.
- The guy is just speculating. Don't hold
your breath. The regulation in question is
aimed at keeping dubious and untrustworthy
$cientology cover firm from doing government
related work. I doubt they apply it here.
First, This is not going to be Debian FreeBSD. FreeBSD (as the other BSDs) regards itself as an operating system, not a kernel. If you replace userland, it's going to be something else - and I'd be surprised if FreeBSD Inc. would allow them to call it FreeBSD. If they are serious, they will end up with a name like Debian GNU/BSD. Let's call it DebianBSD for now.
Second, this is going to be a very linuxified BSD. You inherit practically all of Linux' organizational/architectural problems while sacrificing a number of BSD's most impressive strengths. I don't think it will be superior to either pure Linux or FreeBSD.
Third, having said all this, I think it's a Good Thing (TM) nonetheless. Becauser, hopefully, the developers will have a lot of fun doing it, they will find a number of interesting and challenging problems that eventually will find their way back into the respective communities, and they will fall across countless quirks nobody before has seen or thought about. The mutual technical understanding between the communities could be enhanced, and both systems should improve in the effort.
So, more power to them.
This is exactly the way it is supposed
to be.
There are counts of magazines that cater
to the technically challenged. Comnputer Bild
comes to mind...