I wouldn't disagree as I don't know a lot about the case either. However, even with the presumption of guilt I don't agree with the methods used. It's interesting that in going door to door to collect DNA samples the real lead was having only 2 out of 300 men not agree to it. I wonder what exactly the police said to get the samples. Do they keep an extra eye on the other guy that refused? If the police went door to door and asked if they could just look around to make sure you're not a killer would 99% of people be okay with that?
I don't see the threat to publish names of people who didn't cooperate but there has been more than one attempt to solve a crime this way in Toronto in the last 10 years.
Toronto police Det. Const. Andrew Teixeira and his partner Jamie Clark knocked on doors in Holly's west-Toronto neighbourhood asking men to voluntarily provide a DNA sample.
When they got to the home of 35-year-old Michael Briere – filled with stuffed animals and comic books – they asked Briere if they could swab inside his cheek.
"It was a flat no. He apologized and said he thought it was just a way for the government to track people's movements," Teixeira recalled. Of the 300 men who lived within two blocks of Jones's home and were asked to provide a DNA sample, he was one of only two who said no.
Briere was placed under around-the-clock surveillance. It took a month before police announced his arrest, revealing they had matched his DNA, taken from a discarded pop can, to skin found under Jones's fingernails. Briere was convicted and is serving a life sentence.
Emphasis mine. Now it turns out they got the guy. So it just boils down to a question of whether the ends justifies the mean.
Why not use something clear? I'll concede it was just a preference rather than a necessity but they were paying with the same thing whichever material they chose. The OP did make me think about being able to look in from the top. Artificial gravity made that a lot easier. Imagine trying to transport whales in zero G. I'm picturing whales in some kind of scuba outfit. At any rate, it's too bad Scotty couldn't hold them in the transport buffer and avoid the whole aquarium altogether.
His post did make me wonder. Since Neanderthals are believed to have inhabited Europe and West Asia it seems Europeans and people in West Asia would be likely to have more neanderthal DNA than groups from Africa or East Asia. I mean from a genetic lineage it's interesting to think about how different groups of homo sapiens split apart and came back together from time to time.
I could see a few hundred millennial from now our descendants digging up bones on different continents classifying them into different groups. Then realizing, hey these guys interbred. It's humorous to imagine that they might pick one group to call homo sapiens (or whatever our descendants decide to call themselves) and the others they'll call sub-species. In that respect we may unknowingly be very racists in calling Neanderthals and Denisovans sub-species.
Can you share which country that is? I'm just curious and I can't find any countries that match your numbers. If you don't want to say specifically can you check/update your numbers?
Exactly. When it's 'my' religion, anyone who does anything bad is not really part of 'my' religion. When it's 'their' religion, anyone who does anything bad is indicative of 'their' religion.
finds that people who talk on their phones while driving may already be unsafe drivers
I took it as safe drivers don't talk on their cell phone and unsafe drivers do. In other words, the kind of person that doesn't think driving deserves their full attention will be an unsafe driver and it doesn't matter whether that attention is diverted by cell phones, the radio, eating, bill boards etc.
Most people prefer methods of communication differently but I'm wondering what's much different than an instant message or email. It's not difficult to have an email client (or at least the notification) running all the time on phones now. Is that the only issue or is it something else about email. Reminds me about a month ago our company had a class on how different age groups prefer different methods. Not surprisingly the youngest people preferred text and social media, middle age preferred email and older people preferred phones.
It is an interesting debate. There is probably a lot of overlap between people who are against actively selecting or changing our genes and people who alter their personalities or their children through the use of drugs (prescription, OTC, street, etc.).
Like drugs there are likely to be side effects. Take away the gene that's responsible for a propensity to commit rape and you might remove or alter other traits. It could be connected to testosterone (it's almost completely a male trait) and adrenaline. It's likely to be connected to other traits like dominance and aggression. Traits that are arguably good and bad. Leaders often like control and that tends to carry into the bedroom.
And who defines the behaviors of rape? Prison rape, jogger in the park rape, drunk adolescent rape, date rape, lying about a condom rape. Different societies define rape differently so one issue might be how different countries select traits. I could even imagine this causing some speciation between classes or countries or both.
Personally, I think manipulation of the human genome will happen. We augment ourselves with machines and chemicals all the time. As we fight natural selection by 'fixing' things after the fact we will assuredly start fighting it by doing the selecting ourselves. We've already done it with many other species.
People view the tracking part as an invasion of privacy. Consider the ubiquity of cameras and facial recognition (and other bio-metrics). If the argument is that license plates are public and therefore tracking them is not a public invasion does the same argument apply when technology makes it possible to know and store everything you do when you step outside?
So when you're tracked by a system that recognizes you the solution is to not go outside? The government tracking all of its citizen's movements is what the issue is about. If you're okay with that kind of government tracking then argue that. Stating that license plates are already visible is largely irrelevant.
In an area with limited water and a lack of resources to build a sewage system it may be a different story. I would argue that while water/treatment is preferable to an eco-toilet, an eco-toilet may be preferable to a bucket/ditch. There is also a subtle difference of goals between building a toilet for the environment and building one to be the most sanitary with the resources you have.
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I wouldn't disagree as I don't know a lot about the case either. However, even with the presumption of guilt I don't agree with the methods used. It's interesting that in going door to door to collect DNA samples the real lead was having only 2 out of 300 men not agree to it. I wonder what exactly the police said to get the samples. Do they keep an extra eye on the other guy that refused? If the police went door to door and asked if they could just look around to make sure you're not a killer would 99% of people be okay with that?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2011/05/25/toronto-ccla-dna.html
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/413851--widen-dna-dragnet-blair
From The Star link:
Toronto police Det. Const. Andrew Teixeira and his partner Jamie Clark knocked on doors in Holly's west-Toronto neighbourhood asking men to voluntarily provide a DNA sample.
When they got to the home of 35-year-old Michael Briere – filled with stuffed animals and comic books – they asked Briere if they could swab inside his cheek.
"It was a flat no. He apologized and said he thought it was just a way for the government to track people's movements," Teixeira recalled. Of the 300 men who lived within two blocks of Jones's home and were asked to provide a DNA sample, he was one of only two who said no.
Briere was placed under around-the-clock surveillance. It took a month before police announced his arrest, revealing they had matched his DNA, taken from a discarded pop can, to skin found under Jones's fingernails. Briere was convicted and is serving a life sentence.
Emphasis mine. Now it turns out they got the guy. So it just boils down to a question of whether the ends justifies the mean.
They'll just say the policy has been in place for years so there's no reason to make a big deal out of it.
Whe look at records when you can look at the data related to the accident?
Why not use something clear? I'll concede it was just a preference rather than a necessity but they were paying with the same thing whichever material they chose. The OP did make me think about being able to look in from the top. Artificial gravity made that a lot easier. Imagine trying to transport whales in zero G. I'm picturing whales in some kind of scuba outfit. At any rate, it's too bad Scotty couldn't hold them in the transport buffer and avoid the whole aquarium altogether.
They didn't need transparent aluminum, nor did they use it. They used their knowledge of it to pay for the late 20th century materials they did use.
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I don't follow. Which part is invalid?
His post did make me wonder. Since Neanderthals are believed to have inhabited Europe and West Asia it seems Europeans and people in West Asia would be likely to have more neanderthal DNA than groups from Africa or East Asia. I mean from a genetic lineage it's interesting to think about how different groups of homo sapiens split apart and came back together from time to time.
I could see a few hundred millennial from now our descendants digging up bones on different continents classifying them into different groups. Then realizing, hey these guys interbred. It's humorous to imagine that they might pick one group to call homo sapiens (or whatever our descendants decide to call themselves) and the others they'll call sub-species. In that respect we may unknowingly be very racists in calling Neanderthals and Denisovans sub-species.
Can you share which country that is? I'm just curious and I can't find any countries that match your numbers. If you don't want to say specifically can you check/update your numbers?
Exactly. When it's 'my' religion, anyone who does anything bad is not really part of 'my' religion. When it's 'their' religion, anyone who does anything bad is indicative of 'their' religion.
finds that people who talk on their phones while driving may already be unsafe drivers
I took it as safe drivers don't talk on their cell phone and unsafe drivers do. In other words, the kind of person that doesn't think driving deserves their full attention will be an unsafe driver and it doesn't matter whether that attention is diverted by cell phones, the radio, eating, bill boards etc.
Most people prefer methods of communication differently but I'm wondering what's much different than an instant message or email. It's not difficult to have an email client (or at least the notification) running all the time on phones now. Is that the only issue or is it something else about email. Reminds me about a month ago our company had a class on how different age groups prefer different methods. Not surprisingly the youngest people preferred text and social media, middle age preferred email and older people preferred phones.
It's a feature. It makes your penis look bigger in comparison.
It is an interesting debate. There is probably a lot of overlap between people who are against actively selecting or changing our genes and people who alter their personalities or their children through the use of drugs (prescription, OTC, street, etc.).
Like drugs there are likely to be side effects. Take away the gene that's responsible for a propensity to commit rape and you might remove or alter other traits. It could be connected to testosterone (it's almost completely a male trait) and adrenaline. It's likely to be connected to other traits like dominance and aggression. Traits that are arguably good and bad. Leaders often like control and that tends to carry into the bedroom.
And who defines the behaviors of rape? Prison rape, jogger in the park rape, drunk adolescent rape, date rape, lying about a condom rape. Different societies define rape differently so one issue might be how different countries select traits. I could even imagine this causing some speciation between classes or countries or both.
Personally, I think manipulation of the human genome will happen. We augment ourselves with machines and chemicals all the time. As we fight natural selection by 'fixing' things after the fact we will assuredly start fighting it by doing the selecting ourselves. We've already done it with many other species.
I'm curious. Would you be okay with all of the data being made available on a website so that everyone can access it?
is not a public invasion
is not a privacy invasion.
People view the tracking part as an invasion of privacy. Consider the ubiquity of cameras and facial recognition (and other bio-metrics). If the argument is that license plates are public and therefore tracking them is not a public invasion does the same argument apply when technology makes it possible to know and store everything you do when you step outside?
So when you're tracked by a system that recognizes you the solution is to not go outside? The government tracking all of its citizen's movements is what the issue is about. If you're okay with that kind of government tracking then argue that. Stating that license plates are already visible is largely irrelevant.
In an area with limited water and a lack of resources to build a sewage system it may be a different story. I would argue that while water/treatment is preferable to an eco-toilet, an eco-toilet may be preferable to a bucket/ditch. There is also a subtle difference of goals between building a toilet for the environment and building one to be the most sanitary with the resources you have.
I wonder in mathematics if you ever get negative dimensions and what that would be. :)
Right. What did you think I was saying?
Wouldn't it be 0D? You could move along a line.
1700miles / second or almost .1C ... ...
You might want to check your math.
Warp .01 sound way cooler.