I dunno.. Redhat seem to have no problems with this.
In the real world most end users don't give a crap if the source is available.. they're not programmers. They want support (which the likes of IBM/Redhat give them) and they're prepared to pay to get it.
WTF is wrong with using software that's distributed freely, spending your own time updating, then using it without redistributing it? If GPLv3 forbids that then it'll be going *way* beyond copyright law and even proprietary licenses.
a future v3 developer can incorporate v2 (but not v1) code
Either the 'or later' clause allows code to be 'promoted' to v3, or it doesn't. If it doesn't then a v3 author cannot include v2 code without the permission of the original author.
Nobody who is pro life supports the death penalty. Therefore People who are pro life but *do* support the death penalty are not 'really' pro life.
Deal with it... anti abortion == pro life. One is just a politically correct version of the other (because nobody ever wanted to be called 'anti' anything). Equally the other side of the argument prefer pro abortion to anti life...
Excepted they added "..on a computer controlled device" and neatly sidestepped that one.
So the ipod is a collection of old ideas put together into a new one... why is this news? Just about every invention in history has done that. Doesn't make the ipod any less successful.
Oh wait, this is slashdot... Apple didn't get granted a patent. The sky is falling.
The FSF would contend that this makes your library a derived work and thus under GPL (which *is* truly viral).
Since that won't fly legally (since it's not you doing the linking, and a 3rd party can't force you to change your license) it means that no GPL app can link to your application.
(in case of MySQL: Just take care that your product is also capable of using other databases, do not distribute MySQL with your product etc
MySql makes no such exception.. in fact it extends the GPL:
"If you develop and distribute a commercial application and as part of utilizing your application, the end-user must download a copy of MySQL; for each derivative work, you (or, in some cases, your end-user) need a commercial license for the MySQL server and/or MySQL client libraries."
ie. If I even provide MySql support in my application and a user downloads it I am liable for the mysql fee, even though I have nothing to do with it.
Worse, that's *per user* which could bankcrupt me in less than 5 users.
MySQL is more expensive than SQL Server or Oracle once you start working on large systems though (MySql is $300 per client.. on a web farm you could easily be expecting 1000 clients simultaneously. SQLServer and Oracle are much cheaper at these volumes.).
They had a nice niche with the small developer, where they worked out cheaper (maybe 1 or 2 clients in-house) plus they had the hobbyist/GPL market of course but going for the bigger market is going to backfire on them unless they change their pricing structure.
..and linking, which they conveniently forget to mention in clause 0 (even if you never distribute any GPL code and use late binding you still violate the GPL distributing your own non-GPL code).
Things that sound like BS are actually true at the quantum level... There's also an effect-before-cause thing that I was told about once, but can't remember the details.
I bought a GBA cartridge thing... the item was £100. Customs decided it was worth more than that added another £50 to it. UPS then decided it was worth some more and added another £50 'handling fee'.
UPS guy turns up at my door and demands £100 cash for this thing I've already paid for. I told him to fuck off, naturally...
Lik sang refused a refund *and* kept the item. They even sent a pissy email daring us to do anything about it... hardly professional.
It was known before hand that there weren't any WMD's to be found
Gotta love the slashdot doublethink.
For months every time someone posted 'where are the WMD' about 50 people posted claiming that they had been found, or that they were about to be found because they 'must' be there...
The *sole* justification given for the entire war was WMD. Colin powell even went to europe and gave a long presentation showing blurry satellite photographs of 'suspected' WMD to try to persuade the european governments (only worked for the UK, who were onboard anyway).
And now apparently the line is 'we knew there weren't any WMD.. just kidding folks'.
It's not even original. My ShowCenter 200 - at a fraction of the price - plays my mp3 collection just fine. It tells me the weather too.. so I don't have to look outside. Oh, and for a bonus - still at a fraction of the price - has feeds my HD flat panel with stuff as well (since HD is 6-12 months away from commercial availability in this country).
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Well there's quite a few here
I dunno.. Redhat seem to have no problems with this.
In the real world most end users don't give a crap if the source is available.. they're not programmers. They want support (which the likes of IBM/Redhat give them) and they're prepared to pay to get it.
Thank god Apache isn't GPL then.
WTF is wrong with using software that's distributed freely, spending your own time updating, then using it without redistributing it? If GPLv3 forbids that then it'll be going *way* beyond copyright law and even proprietary licenses.
You can't put some of a program under GPL and some under LGPL. GPL trumps LGPL, making the LGPL parts irrelevant.
The two statements conflict:
You either need all authors to agree to it...
a future v3 developer can incorporate v2 (but not v1) code
Either the 'or later' clause allows code to be 'promoted' to v3, or it doesn't. If it doesn't then a v3 author cannot include v2 code without the permission of the original author.
...as is anyone who's got any sense. Until I've seen the v3 GPL I will *not* agree to any of my code being licensed to it.
Too many stories of the FSF taking license fees, etc.. they may not come to pass but there's no damned way I'm agreeing to it blind.
Interesting circular reasoning there.
Nobody who is pro life supports the death penalty.
Therefore People who are pro life but *do* support the death penalty are not 'really' pro life.
Deal with it... anti abortion == pro life. One is just a politically correct version of the other (because nobody ever wanted to be called 'anti' anything). Equally the other side of the argument prefer pro abortion to anti life...
Excepted they added "..on a computer controlled device" and neatly sidestepped that one.
So the ipod is a collection of old ideas put together into a new one... why is this news? Just about every invention in history has done that. Doesn't make the ipod any less successful.
Oh wait, this is slashdot... Apple didn't get granted a patent. The sky is falling.
Active Directory is an LDAP server (with kerberos storing passwords, etc.)
That's about as commodity as you can get in the business world.
I wouldn't touch slapd with a bargepole in comparison... editing your user list in LDIF format using vi is *not* fun, or productive.
The FSF would contend that this makes your library a derived work and thus under GPL (which *is* truly viral).
Since that won't fly legally (since it's not you doing the linking, and a 3rd party can't force you to change your license) it means that no GPL app can link to your application.
(in case of MySQL: Just take care that your product is also capable of using other databases, do not distribute MySQL with your product etc
MySql makes no such exception.. in fact it extends the GPL:
"If you develop and distribute a commercial application and as part of utilizing your application, the end-user must download a copy of MySQL; for each derivative work, you (or, in some cases, your end-user) need a commercial license for the MySQL server and/or MySQL client libraries."
ie. If I even provide MySql support in my application and a user downloads it I am liable for the mysql fee, even though I have nothing to do with it.
Worse, that's *per user* which could bankcrupt me in less than 5 users.
MySQL is more expensive than SQL Server or Oracle once you start working on large systems though (MySql is $300 per client.. on a web farm you could easily be expecting 1000 clients simultaneously. SQLServer and Oracle are much cheaper at these volumes.).
They had a nice niche with the small developer, where they worked out cheaper (maybe 1 or 2 clients in-house) plus they had the hobbyist/GPL market of course but going for the bigger market is going to backfire on them unless they change their pricing structure.
..and linking, which they conveniently forget to mention in clause 0 (even if you never distribute any GPL code and use late binding you still violate the GPL distributing your own non-GPL code).
So how do I find out what google is?
google for it?
The Shuttle at least is over.
After 2 billion spent trying to fix the foam problem, this mission had *excactly* the same problem.
When the highlight of the mission is trying to fix the bits that are falling off your spacecraft, then you know that there's something amiss.
To save the shuttle this needed to be a perfect mission.. instead it was a complete farce from start to finish.
Or you can just bypass all that and disable the activex control...
Quantum stuff is not sane. Even remotely.
Things that sound like BS are actually true at the quantum level... There's also an effect-before-cause thing that I was told about once, but can't remember the details.
It is easier to find help in setting up Samba than finding a dance partner
That was close - Missed a Samba joke there by a whisker...
Of course there'll be import duty.
On a £180 device it'll be around £50.
I had a run in with lik sang over that.
I bought a GBA cartridge thing... the item was £100. Customs decided it was worth more than that added another £50 to it. UPS then decided it was worth some more and added another £50 'handling fee'.
UPS guy turns up at my door and demands £100 cash for this thing I've already paid for. I told him to fuck off, naturally...
Lik sang refused a refund *and* kept the item. They even sent a pissy email daring us to do anything about it... hardly professional.
Turgid carp are a part of natural history. ..as are many other kinds of fish.
It was known before hand that there weren't any WMD's to be found
Gotta love the slashdot doublethink.
For months every time someone posted 'where are the WMD' about 50 people posted claiming that they had been found, or that they were about to be found because they 'must' be there...
The *sole* justification given for the entire war was WMD. Colin powell even went to europe and gave a long presentation showing blurry satellite photographs of 'suspected' WMD to try to persuade the european governments (only worked for the UK, who were onboard anyway).
And now apparently the line is 'we knew there weren't any WMD.. just kidding folks'.
I'm speechless.
Is there a reason that news has to include blood and gore?
The news doesn't include much gore any more, since it lost the election...
To which the answer is obviously YES
We want our government to have at least as good tools as the 'enemy' has.
It's not even original. My ShowCenter 200 - at a fraction of the price - plays my mp3 collection just fine. It tells me the weather too.. so I don't have to look outside. Oh, and for a bonus - still at a fraction of the price - has feeds my HD flat panel with stuff as well (since HD is 6-12 months away from commercial availability in this country).