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Apple Plans To Launch an 'All-New' 16-inch MacBook Pro and 32-inch 6K Monitor This Year, Says Report (theverge.com)
Apple is planning an "all-new" MacBook Pro design for this year, well-connected analyst Ming-Chi Kuo has said. From a report: The lineup is reportedly led by a model with a screen of between 16 and 16.5 inches, which would make it the biggest screen in a Mac notebook since the 17-inch models stopped being sold in 2012. Kuo says the lineup may also include a 13-inch model with support for 32GB of RAM; right now only the 15-inch MacBook Pro can be configured with that amount of memory.
[...] More interestingly, Kuo has the first credible details of the external monitor that will mark Apple's return to the pro display market. It's said to be a 31.6-inch 6K display with a "Mini LED-like backlight design." Apple discontinued its last monitor, the Thunderbolt Display, back in 2016; right now the best option for owners of more modern Macs is the Apple-sanctioned but imperfect 27-inch LG UltraFine 5K.
[...] More interestingly, Kuo has the first credible details of the external monitor that will mark Apple's return to the pro display market. It's said to be a 31.6-inch 6K display with a "Mini LED-like backlight design." Apple discontinued its last monitor, the Thunderbolt Display, back in 2016; right now the best option for owners of more modern Macs is the Apple-sanctioned but imperfect 27-inch LG UltraFine 5K.
They do not have that monitor in stock as far as I can tell.
hell yeah
I predict they will be the first to remove all connectors. Wireless charging, bluetooth, and wifi. What more could a user ask for?
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Neat! I gave up on Apple making serious hardware years ago. I get my *nix meets met via Virtualbox on Windows on *any* size laptop with *any* amount of RAM and *any* size hard drive I want, thanks.
I don't respond to AC's.
Its apple, obsolete tech from the dark ages in a pretty case... with features like, non upgrade everything, soldered on SSD's and ram. No way to recover data.....
Anyone who is still silly enough to buy apple, gets what they deserve.
I have long awaited the return of the 17" Macbook Pro ever since Apple stopped selling them - mine is still used to this day every day for work in my house.
The 15" I have been using primarily is fine as it has the same resolution, but I really missed the physically larger screen of the 17".
With Apple's reduction in bezel sizes the new 16" should have about the same screen size as the old 17" in a slightly smaller form factor.
The only downside to having a larger laptop is a surprising number of bags or laptop compartments are optimized for the 15" laptops, and may not even fit a larger laptop - maybe the 16" can squeeze into a few bags the 17" could not.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I'm really surprised that VMWare doesn't make their own laptop with a VMWare hyperviser in firmware. Basically, boot into any OS you want, and backup the entire stack to the cloud.
Life is not for the lazy.
Oh VMWare offered something like this to select enterprise customers but they all wanted free storage. Oh well
And just what Mac will be able to run such a thing without having shedloads of problems? Certainly nothing they're shipping today, judging by how they interact with 4K displays.
I'd love it if I could go even one day without displays randomly flickering to black while I'm trying to use them on a MacBook Pro with a discrete GPU.
Maybe fix your shitty GPU drivers before you start shipping shit you probably can't even plug in and drive. Not like it would be the first time though.
Can't wait to see how much Apple charges for their monitor.
The MacBook Pro Pro. Starting at $3999.
I miss the days when minor new features and upgraded components were part of a normal product refresh and didn't justify a new name and pricing tier.
How can I believe you when you tell me what I don't want to hear?
Better than driving into guardrails playing with yourself and talking on the phone all the time
Virtualbox is trash and everyone knows it.
KVM absolutely mops the floor with that creaky piece of shit
Does "Support for 32GB of RAM" mean you can plug in two 16GB modules, or does it just mean that you can pay 3x the street price of the RAM extra to buy a laptop with it soldered to the motherboard?
Even the automakers didn't weld their wheels on to keep for from changing tires.
And just what Mac will be able to run such a thing without having shedloads of problems?
If you use DisplayPort from any modern TB3 Mac, you can drive any 4k display at 60FPS.
I never had any issues even using my older 2013 MacBook Pro (with discreet GPU) on an LG 4k monitor using DisplayPort adaptors. Certainly no flickering.
Not that I'm saying Apple couldn't stand to improve GPU drivers, mind you. Just saying there are ways to use 4K displays more reliably.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
It will be the glued-shut, no-port, soldered-everything version of the old 17" MacBook Pro
That seems very unlikely given what they did with the iMac Pro, and even the MacBook Pro updates - more ports and some flexibility in expansion.
I am even fine with all USB-C ports, as long as there's four or so. In a larger form factor they will probably include more ports.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
That sounds like fun, is there a meetup group for it?
TB3 can't drive 6K so what is there plan there?
Full DP 1.5 port?
HDMI 2.1?
Display with build in video card (linked by pci-e X4 over TB3) at a cost of $1500-$2000?
Pretty much says it all
31.6 bogo-obsoleto-nits? Say 800mm when you mean 800mm.
And no updates at all after 1-2 years? no put it on a small pci-e ssd.
8K was all over CES this year, I can't believe they are doing a stop-gap at 6K. Do either 4K or 8K - and support all the coming media demands for 8K.
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
>planned obsolescence
Really? My 2014 macbook pro still runs like a champ.
More garbage from apple.
Will we see a return to the non craptacular keyboards that don't let dust freak them out?
If no, then I'll continue to stick with my aging 2015 Macbook Pro. No reason to ever upgrade until they either change the style of keyboard or revert back to a design that works.
Steve Jobs is clearly turning in his grave at what has become of Apple.
No interest here. Call me when you have something nice, or even useful. I have money.
And i will buy this computer: AMD Ryzen2+ 4.0 GHz, nVidia, 64 GB RAM, 2 TB harddisk, 8K monitor, Windows 10, big speakers.
And it will be very smooth and better than the rival.
--- i like the Cinema in home ---
I hate to break it to you but that's not how screen sizes are measured.
True, I forgot that was really referring to screen size and not the laptop dimensions itself
Still should have a decently larger physical display in a substantially smaller physical package than the older 17".
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I have been a hard core OpenBSD developer and user for two decades but this laptop has me and many of my colleges drooling. A huge number of us will be making the switch permanently to Apple and at this point I see no reason to ever consider any other product. Apple absolutely rules when it comes to technology.
I moved on this week. Literally, just placed my order on a Lenovo X1E after using a Macbooks professionally for almost 20 years.
A 15" Macbook Pro actually has a 15.4" diagonal screen (16:10 aspect ratio, vs 15.6" 16:9 aspect ratio for most PC laptops). So you're going to be hard-pressed to tell the difference between a 16" and the existing 15" model. A 16.0" screen would have 16^2 / 15.4^2 = 1.07944 or just 8% more screen area than the 15". Most people won't be able to tell them apart unless they're side-by-side. A 16.5" screen would have 16.5^2 / 15.4^2 = 1.148 or 15% more screen area than the 15", which might be noticeable.
By contrast, the 17" model (17.0" 16:10 aspect ratio, vs 17.3" 16:9 aspect ratio for most PC laptops) was 17^2 / 15.4^2 = 1.2186 or 22% more screen area than the 15", which is definitely noticeable.
Can we get a new (non-Pro) iMac as well please? It's been about 1.5 years since the least update and the current model is seriously long-in-tooth.
I'd really love to know why Apple doesn't do an annual spec-bump "point" release of their Macs. I understand that iOS is their money maker, but there's plenty of people sitting at desks that need non-mobile systems.
Wharrr. Wharrr pro tower?
---- The above post was generated by the Turing Institute. Maybe.
TB3 can't drive 6K so what is there plan there?
With Intel's Titan Ridge TB3 allows for DP 1.4, which supports 8K@30Hz plain and even 60Hz with DSC:
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort#Resolution_and_refresh_frequency_limits
Higher refresh rates are possible with chroma sub-sampling.
whats with apple and using odd sizes? is that the value added part?
your next app at 6K.
Got the needed GPU?
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
I am more concerned they will put it in this new slim and retarded form factor, with shitty keyboard, huge trackpad, and a stupid logo on the front panel.
Definitely NOT looking to it.
Sarcasm is the best revenge.
Has Titan Ridge shipped in a single product yet? Been hearing about it for a while, but devices coming out even now still have Alpine Ridge inside.
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so an $1000 GPU vs an $500 GPU for that 8K at apple pricing.
also 8K content will cost a lot on apple over priced SSD's as well.
And dey prooofed it!
If they donâ(TM)t fix it, I am not buying a new one.
A brand-new $$$$ Apple monitor with the word "SAMSUNG" emblazoned on the lower bezel. Sign me up & bend me over!!
for me either. I now buy $199 Dell laptops from Walmart and max them out on RAM and run Ubuntu, Works fine. As an IT guy, I don't need much beyond a browser and a terminal window anyway. Android phone completes the picture. The iSheep line up and file into the reality distortion field every time Apple drop a new device somehow hoping to find meaning in a new shiny handset or iSomething. Apple ceased innovating some years back.
I understand the most recent Macbook pro has more modular components and ports, suggesting they are responding to criticism of the glued together, fake pro direction they had been taking. Is it an inflection point in design philosophy after burning the goodwill they created for pro users?
Not a fan boy, but typing this on a 2009 17 inch MB pro that has been used every day for the last decade and still works like new. Possibly the best machine I have owned of ANY kind. That level of quality earns loyalty. It was assumed they would never again make a laptop larger than 15 inches because the profit margins are too small. Selling a loss leader product to command respect from the pros is the kind of strategy they displayed when Jobs ran the show. Could be a good sign.
(But not holding my breath.)
Neat! ... Windows ...
HERETIC!!!
Monitors and laptops are hardly new for Apple.
A company of that size should be diversifying, before they find it is too late, and they implode like Kodak, Nokia or Xerox.
Sony and IBM may not have their former glory, but are still alive and making big money. As well as diversifying, they actually did basic research and genuine innovation. Why doesn't Apple?
Apple makes wonderful products, don't get me wrong, but the closest they have ever come to an original invention is probably the App Store.
Quick Survey. did anyone ask for?
Here is what was on my list:
Better keyboard
Option for Touch Screen
Better Repairability (See Louis Rossman, easy to replace keyboard and battery)
Better Upgradability (Not Soldered in HDD and RAM)
Better Water Resistance
Return of the MagSafe
More Ports on the Pro Model including a classic USB3.0 port
eGPU Options for High End Cards with Plug N Play
There are not that many pixels 19 MP) in the human eye (6M cones / 3 = 2MP), it is impossible for 6K to be useful to a human in any situation except where the screen is intentionally much bigger than what the eye can view in field (planetarium, amusement park ride background, etc.)
This is bullshit.
And Louis Rossman will have to fix them within 6 months of release.
I'm pretty sour on Apple hardware these days.
Good choice, the Dell XPS has weak body construction.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Neat...Windows
Blasphemy! STONE HIM!
Hey, I was talking to you, stoner.
Turns out Apple is just really bad at planning obsolescence.
They keep trying, they just can't get it right!
I work with iOS and the only reason I have a Macbook is because of that. I tried going Mac-only at home and I lasted about 6 months before I went back to PCs where I could get software I wanted besides graphic design apps.
Every time I see a pitch for Apple's next "oooh" product, it's like getting an email from the car dealership who ripped you off on that jalopy you just sold at a loss.
I swear to God...I swear to God! That is NOT how you treat your human!
The above post mirrored my sentiments, but i would add in just one thing.
Can we get off the thinner fetish and make the machine thick enough where it can cool itself properly?
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"Liberalism is a very noble idea, currently controlled by some very bad people. Be sure you do not get the two confused.
Suck my dong, msmash!
>planned obsolescence
Really? My 2014 macbook pro still runs like a champ.
My 2012 Mac Book pro is also running like a champ!
New law: Any consumable part must be user replaceable, e.g. batteries.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
THERE WILL ALWAYS BE CONSEQUENCES FOR YOUR LIES AND PROPAGANDA NAZI FAGGOT KEN DOLL
Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING. Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.
can you believe those apple fans?
unless it's a screen with an apple logo on it, it's imperfect.
only a real apple thunderbolt display will do!
pure lunacy
On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
...we're doing 7K.
I am pretty sure your local red light district will have an establishment that caters to your needs
The dangers of excessive individualism are nothing compared to the oppressiveness of excessive collectivism
No wired network is a killer in some settings.
Do you think these use cases are ones Apple actually gives a shit about? For those who care there are USB-C and Thunderbolt docking stations available and they work fine. Personally I'm with you and would rather have a 8P8C ethernet port built in but clearly I'm not the customer Apple is courting.
Another Macbook Pro - with even fewer ports!
Sager/Clevo just released a line of 16.1" screens in the same chassis as their previous 15.6" models. They just reduced the size of the bezel. This isn't a massive step forward, exactly.
So is my 2013 model. And I schlep it around every single day
The dangers of excessive individualism are nothing compared to the oppressiveness of excessive collectivism
Then it must not have an Nvidia discrete GPU.
Margins are thin and even if you just get a Chinese OEM to build the laptop for you, you still have to provide on-going support for it. There probably just isn't enough money in it, especially with the relatively small volumes they would be selling, and when the competition is someone like Lenovo with world-wide support coverage and established business relationships.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Air doesn't like to make the right-angled turns required from a thin laptop. Apple will likely not produce a notebook computer with the big heatsinks and power brick necessary for serious work. A small heatsink is fine when you apply an occasional Photoshop filter, or nudge something in a CAD program, but when it comes time to export video, or animate something, render something, or compile something, or run a solver, then a computer needs proper cooling.
https://www.youtube.com/c/BrendaEM
There were a couple of attempts by different companies to make client-side type 1 hypervisors a thing but they never caught on.
I browse on +1 so AC's need not respond, I won't see it.
"Our batteries are rechargeable and so not considered consumable." -Apple
>planned obsolescence
Really? My 2014 macbook pro still runs like a champ.
My 2012 Mac Book pro is also running like a champ!
And my 2010 MacBook Pro is also quite champ-like in its running.
I can just see the commercials. But they get it backwards. A 32-inch Macbook Pro, and a 16-inch 6K monitor.
I'll see your senator, and I'll raise you two judges.
Lenovo
LOL
Weighs almost 2kg and has one of those Windows viruses preloaded. Enjoy.
Slightly lighter than my Macbook Pro and is being immediately wiped and having Linux installed. I will enjoy.
The keyboard and overall build quality is lightyears better than the current generation for that matter.
Macs do support 5k/60Hz, you are right that you use thunderbolt but only insofar as you need to get a thunderbolt3 to dual DisplayPort adaptor.
Since from that adaptor you can use DisplayPort, you can use any 5k monitor that has DisplayPort. Some may require both DisplayPort cables to be connected (see first link I posted as it talks a little about that).
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Apple can launch whatever they want. I will NEVER buy anything overpriced from them. Never had, never will. No wonder they are losing sales and sales year after year.
My guess it's probably related to OEM pricing, you can use "any" OS but Apple doesn't license OS X and Microsoft is sure to put some clauses requiring it to boot Windows natively and exclusively to get the best price. After all Microsoft has their own virtualization technology and is a direct competitor plus they don't want to give any other OS a foothold, like I've never seen any OEM offer dual-boot. Even if they can't formally do it because of anti-trust I'm sure anyone who did would be put on the unofficial shit list. And if you're doing Linux-on-Linux virtualization there are better options...
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Serious question: What software *can't* you get for Mac? About five years ago, I worked in an MS Office environment where no one knew I was using Pages, Numbers or, in a pinch, NeoOffice/LibreOffice. I used OmniGraffle for Visio needs. Nowadays, I do embedded development for Cortex chips using MCUXpresso natively on the Mac. When I was playing with the nvidia Jetson platform, it needed a Linux environment to perform the firmware updates, but I was able to run a Linux instance under VirtualBox for that. I use CrossOver to run some Windows app for programming Digi XBee chips. I understand The Gimp isn't exactly "soup" for replacing Photoshop, so that's a possibility.
So, again, what software can't you get for Mac?
So does my 2011 MBP with original battery that still gives 5hrs browsing time. But no Mojave, so yeah...