That's all? I'm fully prepared for the Armored Space Nutter division to come out in full force waving their Star Trek box sets and preparing their trip to Andromeda.
In the meantime, you're filling in nicely for them.
If you worked as many hours as you say, and you had other options, then you are a fool. If you didn't have other options then you are a wage-slave and should have been looking for a different kind of work, since you didn't, you are a fool.
No, my sweet tater, I was a professional who took pride in my work and enjoyed wat I was doing.. That you cannot comprehend this does not make me wrong.
See, this gets really whacked after a while. What's the metric? You worried about total hours worked?
Well drink this koolaid. using a standard 2087 hours per year metric, and that I retired at 55, someone who by virtue of their retiring at a normal 67 years has then worked 25,044 hours that I haven't. Foolish me!
Now just how the hell was I so foolish? I saved a lot of money. Where did that money come from? Here's where you can se the horrid extent of my foolishness. Cover the kid's ears Margaret, this is gonna get really ugly really quickly.
I banked and invested it! Horrors! What did I bank and invest? The extra money I was payed because I was making more because I was more dependable and professional that the smart non-foolish people who didn't allow those bastards they worked for to take advantage of them. Blasphemy!
Meanwhile, make certain you don't take a shit on your lunch break. Take it on company time so they aren't taking adfvantage of you. Its the intelligent non-foolish thing to do. Maybe you can take up smoking and get a few extra breaks a day as well.
Maybe just maybe, if people dropped the"I'm not going to shit on my time!" attitude, they could see what I'm getting at. While I was a professional, I had no plans to work forever. I gambled that by working hard, being compensated for it, and saving and investing, I might be able to retire early and enjoy a few extra years od relaxation before I died. Worked out okay. I'm getting ready to go on my third vacation this year, and then a winter excursion to Florida for a month.
If you don't want to follow the path I took - good for you! But This fool and wage slave idiot is being a fool and wage slave idiot for a strange sort of foolishness and idiocy. The smart people are still working, and I've been doing only what I feel like doing for 5 years now - something that I was being a fool to do. We'll just write that off to an interesting contradiction. 25,044 hours worth of being smarter than me.
Not entirely, People here hate FOX because they tend to be mindless cheerleaders of anything right wing and have a questionabe relationship with the truth. I hate it even though I tend to be fiscally conservative
I used to watch it for the lulz, but the people in the places where I eat breakfast all turned to different channels.
The American Press has for a long time labored under the idea that all opinions are valid. This gives rise to some seriously whacked stuff. And while it might be great grand fun to listen to a flat earther yammer on about thier belief, some times the media thinks it might be more fair to include the flat earthers in a discussion about GPS. (note I never heard exactly that - its just a likely example.
And the really whacked thing is that the kooks still get their nickers in a wad, claiming they aren't getting a fair shake. Of course, what they really want is all other views suppressed but theirs.
Since forever. It might not be as far left as MSNBC, but it is left just like ABC, NBC, and CBS.
Well, Fox News is now left of center. This is what we get when people who call themselves conservatives have to have a contest seeing who is the most conservative. Like the guy at work who built a house and insisted on wood siding because Vinyl and Aluminum was catering to the liberals.
They are all liberal, unless you get your news and truth from Breitbart, and Alex Jones. At least in some folks minds. Those are mostly peopel who only want to hear news they already agree with.
And oh, so angry. I heard some guys on Amateur Radio last night seriously talking about putting all of the media, ferners, and liberals in camps and incinerating them. Now that's the right wingingest Right wingers you're ever gonna see. They have the final solution to make America great again!
So you mean the external renaming to 'Clinton News Network' was only because the letters matched?
Clinton is not a liberal. She is a neocon. Trump is not a conservative. He is just a sleazebag.
Gotta remember though, the right wing pendulum has swung so far right that all but one person is a liberal now. The only right winger in America is Barry Goldwater, and he ded.
There are reasons for a 40-hour work week, and if your employer relies on people putting in 60-70 hours, they're idiots.
Well, relying on people who leave when there's work to be done the next day, and it isn't done doesn't work out too well.
And no one was making them. They came and left when they felt like it, and the prime directive of slashdot - anything extra is me being taken advantage of, so nope, nope, nope!
In return for what you all think was my employer and myself being idiots, was I got paid well, learned and did interesting things, and was seldom bored.
They knew they could rely on me to get the job done and get it right.
And hold your hands over the children's ears - this is going to be shocking........ I did a lot of things outside of my job description. I'm an Uncle Tom, the house boy as it were. Okay, I'll quit swearing now
And there was that putting in 30+ years, somewhat of an anomaly these days.
Sucks so much to be me!
Much better to be part of the cubicle crowd, doing the same thing over and again, and being paid what everyone else is being paid.
In the end, I only present my situation as an alternative to what I see in here. People who hate their jobs, hate their employers, and I suspect hate most everything and everyone around them. You read the stuff in here, and my postings on a different approach to work really piss people off. I'm not telling them to do what I did, just offering a differential opinion, on something that has worked better for me than my peers.
The pay gap is a myth and when the studies are analysed and things such as years of experience and hours worked are taken into effect women earn the same if not more than males in the same job.
The biased studies that try to show a gap try to equate age to "years of experience" and don't account for a 40 year old male who has spent 20 years working after college to a 40 year old female who took 5 years off to stay at home with kids.
What will happen next is that women will demand equal pay regardless of experience or even job role.They will say that teaching kids is just a valuable to society as designing a jet engine and therefore the government should step in to equalize pay. Which given the way economics actually works, will only bring down the higher pay not increase the lower pay.
There is an inherent illogic in th ewhole setup as well. We have tech people being laid off in order to bring people over from other countries to work for less. There is no argument regarding that.
Why on earth do corporations that would do that, not hire all female staff so they could save 30 percent on payroll? If all else is equal, that's a hellava saving, which services the stockholders very well indeed. SO far it looks like only HuffPo has figured that out. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/...
IOW women should get hiring preference, and the male unemployment rate should be much higher than the female rate.
And after much resistance, I had to open a Facebook account to hand out info to a group. All my fears about it were true. Sucks you in, Oh, look there's an old high school bud. Even old girlfriends, then relatives. Then the existential angst sets in.
I fear many of them would actually like to read about Freddie's Sansung refrigerator reports that Freddie is low on milk, then the thoughts and prayers of Freddie's friends will go out to him in hopes he doesn't have to go without milk, then someone will blame the politician du jour and the fight begins.
Then the Windows Foodie Edition IoT OS borks a few million refrigerators with a refrigerator light update, causing massive spoilage, and Slashdot erupts with the whackadoodles claiming a conspiracy by the major food chains to sell more food, the shills claiming that it was actually a good thing, because people's immune systems are weak because we eat all this processed food, and if your refrigerator was screwed, it was your fault anyway you idiot!
Meanwhile the Linux Refrigerator people will brag about how much better their food is, except for the systemd trolls who are still pissed about the first version of pulseaudio.
And the Hipsters who use the iFoodie app for their vegan only refrigerators (it has an internal scanner to detect any animal products so the vegan Hipster can go annoy whoever sold them the food.
Meanwhile a massive ransomware attack locks everyone's fridge until we each pay 10,000 bitcoin to the Julian Assange, Edward Snowdon, and Jane Fonda and Barack O'blama pizza party fund. And Trump will make it happen, I can tell you that much. Meanwhile, an investigation is mounted to verify the rumors that Hillary killed 50 people by locking them in IoT microwaves.
Wow! that went to a weird place! Did I miss insulting anyone?
Don't be a Republican memeist. Every article I have read so far says specifically that she is the daughter of the Democrat Senator from West Virginia.
Tell me is that supposed to mean that she is a Democrat? And everyone from West Virgian is a Democrat, And BENGHAZI!
And just to burst another bubble, I'll be that he is a big fan of Coal mining.
Aww hell, I might as well expose that you are lying From the link to the article:
One Democratic senator whose daughter has allergies has called for action and another Democratic senator's daughter is CEO of the company responsible for the price hike.
O hell, lookie here Right here in River city from the Slashdot summary!
One Democratic senator whose daughter has allergies has called for action and another Democratic senator's daughter is CEO of the company responsible
for the price hike.
And just to make certain you see it - I know some of you folks need a lot of repetition for the hard stuff to sink in.....One Democratic senator whose daughter has allergies has called for action and another Democratic senator's daughter is CEO of the company responsible for the price hike.
Now I'm not saying that you're exaggerating the amount of work you did in comparison to others (especially those tricksy women, amirite?), but it would be consistent with what we know about human nature and the actual data from the workplace of people who claim to work long hours.
My hours tended to be quite variable. We had 2 meetings a year that were brutal, and I had documented 100 hour weeks. Other times random meetings and experiments might add 10-15 hours. Support functions were really variable, and by nature random. And some times I worked a 40 hour week.
So any claims I might have made to the number of hours I worked, would be brute forced averaging.
note1: might there be a non-genderized clue in there? I thrive on chaos in a positive way. Some others probably hate it with a passion - my better half has next weeks meals and chores planned already.
So someone with children might not do so well with that - even though I would leave work at 5 to pick up the kid from daycare, then come back in. Flexibility. But still, a lot of people crave structure like plants crave Brawndo.
Might women as a group prefer more structure? Maybe - I'll probably catch shit from some quarters for asking the question.
Do some lifestyle choices make a difference? Hell, a single mother has a lot less flexibility.
In a forum like this, we can often get slammed into one camp or another. For some, my questions above put me squarely in the patriarchy camp.
It also ignores that I put in a good bit of time in recruiting young women into STEM fields, I put off three promotions in order that a woman get one. A silly HR quota system, and since it didn't affect pay, I was okay with it.
And in the end, when faced with the dilemma that the Ledbetter act places upon employers, I suspect that I would have been moved to an entirely different position, apart from the regular folks. Why they didn't do that in the first place is beyond me. It would have eliminated some folks from being pissed at me, and avoided other issues as well.
So if he says I prefer BSD license because I don't care about my code
You have a big problem with comprehension. He's not saying it's THE reason why YOU prefer it. He's saying it's a good match IF you don't care what others do with the code. He's talking about what the licence is good for, not about the people who use it.
No, really. I was talking to Linus just the other day over latte's and scones, (such an eclectic fellow our lad is) and he was telling me, "There's this fucking programmer that goes by QuietLagoon, and I can't stand that damned idiot. Always fucking disagreeing with me, and piss on that" (oh, our salty tongued lad, that Linus is)
But he closed with saying "I know this fucking QuietLagoon and his ways. I'll be watching that bastard, because this is personal between me and the him."
As one person told me when discussing this subject "My bread costs the same as yours. He was in big favor of a Union-like rule that if you are a sheet metal worker, that the newest and most experienced should get exactly the same pay.
I'll note that as he put in more years, it didn't seem quite so fair.
Regardless, there are people out there that demand that.
Let us take the Patriarchy out of the equation and deal with an only female situation
So tell me. A Woman who takes a year off from her position every time she has a child, should she be paid the same as a person in the same job who continued to work those 10 years?
This is not a hypothetical question. We had a staff assistant who over a 10 year period, had three children, and took the max leave each time.
And in an odd twist of equality, she got her her job back each time. While that sounds like the height of equality, that meant that her activity cost three other women their jobs, as the temporary workers lost theirs when she came back.
And if you asked her, almost certainly she will say yes. Her co-workers? Maybe not so much. The three women who lost their jobs? I dunno, they weren't around to ask.
If you were to ask the people who worked with me yet were making a third of what I was - I wonder what their response would be. I know many didn't like it one bit. That didn't cause them to start working harder.
The Ledbetter act, that modifies the Equal Pay act (1963!!) also known as the Fair Pay Act of 2009 shows a prima facie cas as:
Prohibits paying employees in a job dominated by a particular sex, race, or national origin less than employees in another job dominated by the opposite sex or a different race or national origin, if the jobs are “equivalent” and in the same establishment. “Equivalent jobs” means “jobs that may be dissimilar, but whose requirements are equivalent, when viewed as a composite of skills, effort, responsibility, and working conditions.”
An affirmative defense to the charges has to be
“Factor other than sex” – employer must prove: (1) such factor is either job- related with respect to the position in question or furthers legitimate business purpose; and (2) that such factor was actually applied and used reasonably in light of asserted justification. Employees could rebut legitimate business purpose defense by demonstrating that an alternative employment practice exists that would serve the same business purpose without producing such differential and employer has refused to adopt such alternative practice.
It's rather difficult to find the actual contents, with most people simply siding into their camps and battling it out. http://www.americanbar.org/con...
So I think the woman who had all the children in short order, might actually have a case. Why should she be paid less than teh other women who did not make the choice to do that?
And as for the law, as I see it, my seniority or work skills are not applicable under the new law, a woman or whatever gender one feels like using, who refuses to work any more than 40 hours a week will have a successful lawsuit. Based on our genders - no one owuld ever expect her to say it wasn't gender based. Thoughts?
I do not know all of the details of this equal pay business, so I could be talking out of my ass - wouldn't be the first time. But its not remotely cut and dried. Let's hope it doesn't become a least common denominator situation.
What, you think everybody is going to be at risk of getting the same pay, across the board?
Sure, whatever.
Meanwhile, my local police department just had to settle a lawsuit for over half a million dollars because of pay disparities. Some people got paid more. Some people got paid less. And there was ZERO explanation for it.
The pay was just different.
I reprinted your post because it was so interesting. Despite your "sure whatever part, your post in the next paragraph offers the disproof of what you say.. If no one knows why, it might have been to pay everyone the same. But hey! Whatev.
Fuck me, I'd forgotten how fucking awful comments on this site are.
Oh well. It's been nice, Slashdot. But I think we're done.
Trigger warning! Someone's about to post something......
SRSLY? Entitiy, if that comment pushed you over the edge, you sersiously need a safe area where no one dares utter a word you disagree with. That wasn't even designed to upset anyone.
If I knew you needed something to piss and moan about, I'd do a lot better than that post. I haz mad skillz.
That's all good, but it still doesn't answer the question of how you suffer if someone else doing the same job makes as much as you.
Then we have to define Job and work. The job that a bunch of others and myself had was the same. The work we did? Along with one other guy who are professional and willing to put in extra. We did a helluva lot more work than the rest of them.
Which is all to say, if someone with the same job was doing as much work as I was, I don't have a problem if it was female, black, hispanic, gay transgender or a bunny rabbit.
If someone with the same job was doing much less, such as refusing to work anything other than 8-5, refusing to go on field trips to work, refusing to work the meetings, then yes, I do have a problem with them making as much as me for doing significantly less work, end especially less of the more demanidng work.
And while not all co-workers were like that - there was another guy who was seriously competent that I woked with, most of the others were not.
And there is an inconvenient truth that only two of the women were willing to do anything other than minimum. Those two were as hard working as my deceased frind and myself. Hell for big meetings, I would often finish people's work for them that would not otherwise be finished in time. This was known to management, and another reason for the pay differential.
So the question might be reversed, should everyone with the same job description be paid exactly the same, regardless of work output or experience?
That by the way, is as equal an inequity as the opposite.
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The item can be seen here: http://blog.lenovo.com/en/blog...
That's a Tablet.
Smaller battery. Weaker processor. Weaker graphics. Cheaper keyboards. Cheaper shipping.
= Money?
Assuming anyone buys one. That would not be me.
That's all? I'm fully prepared for the Armored Space Nutter division to come out in full force waving their Star Trek box sets and preparing their trip to Andromeda.
In the meantime, you're filling in nicely for them.
If you worked as many hours as you say, and you had other options, then you are a fool. If you didn't have other options then you are a wage-slave and should have been looking for a different kind of work, since you didn't, you are a fool.
No, my sweet tater, I was a professional who took pride in my work and enjoyed wat I was doing.. That you cannot comprehend this does not make me wrong.
See, this gets really whacked after a while. What's the metric? You worried about total hours worked?
Well drink this koolaid. using a standard 2087 hours per year metric, and that I retired at 55, someone who by virtue of their retiring at a normal 67 years has then worked 25,044 hours that I haven't. Foolish me!
Now just how the hell was I so foolish? I saved a lot of money. Where did that money come from? Here's where you can se the horrid extent of my foolishness. Cover the kid's ears Margaret, this is gonna get really ugly really quickly.
I banked and invested it! Horrors! What did I bank and invest? The extra money I was payed because I was making more because I was more dependable and professional that the smart non-foolish people who didn't allow those bastards they worked for to take advantage of them. Blasphemy!
Meanwhile, make certain you don't take a shit on your lunch break. Take it on company time so they aren't taking adfvantage of you. Its the intelligent non-foolish thing to do. Maybe you can take up smoking and get a few extra breaks a day as well.
Maybe just maybe, if people dropped the"I'm not going to shit on my time!" attitude, they could see what I'm getting at. While I was a professional, I had no plans to work forever. I gambled that by working hard, being compensated for it, and saving and investing, I might be able to retire early and enjoy a few extra years od relaxation before I died. Worked out okay. I'm getting ready to go on my third vacation this year, and then a winter excursion to Florida for a month.
If you don't want to follow the path I took - good for you! But This fool and wage slave idiot is being a fool and wage slave idiot for a strange sort of foolishness and idiocy. The smart people are still working, and I've been doing only what I feel like doing for 5 years now - something that I was being a fool to do. We'll just write that off to an interesting contradiction. 25,044 hours worth of being smarter than me.
Please no, we can't take a Kardashian civilization!
They suck, and we've got the video to prove it!
Not entirely, People here hate FOX because they tend to be mindless cheerleaders of anything right wing and have a questionabe relationship with the truth. I hate it even though I tend to be fiscally conservative
I used to watch it for the lulz, but the people in the places where I eat breakfast all turned to different channels.
Indeed, viewed from Europe,
For the last time, no one from the states cares what Europe thinks about their definitions of right and left wing.
for the last time, Neither Europeans or Americans care what gets Anonymous Cowards knickers in a knot, or panties in a wad.
The American Press has for a long time labored under the idea that all opinions are valid. This gives rise to some seriously whacked stuff. And while it might be great grand fun to listen to a flat earther yammer on about thier belief, some times the media thinks it might be more fair to include the flat earthers in a discussion about GPS. (note I never heard exactly that - its just a likely example.
And the really whacked thing is that the kooks still get their nickers in a wad, claiming they aren't getting a fair shake. Of course, what they really want is all other views suppressed but theirs.
At some point, the kooks need to be ignored.
Since when is CNN left?
Since forever. It might not be as far left as MSNBC, but it is left just like ABC, NBC, and CBS.
Well, Fox News is now left of center. This is what we get when people who call themselves conservatives have to have a contest seeing who is the most conservative. Like the guy at work who built a house and insisted on wood siding because Vinyl and Aluminum was catering to the liberals.
They are all liberal, unless you get your news and truth from Breitbart, and Alex Jones. At least in some folks minds. Those are mostly peopel who only want to hear news they already agree with.
And oh, so angry. I heard some guys on Amateur Radio last night seriously talking about putting all of the media, ferners, and liberals in camps and incinerating them. Now that's the right wingingest Right wingers you're ever gonna see. They have the final solution to make America great again!
So you mean the external renaming to 'Clinton News Network' was only because the letters matched?
Clinton is not a liberal. She is a neocon. Trump is not a conservative. He is just a sleazebag.
Gotta remember though, the right wing pendulum has swung so far right that all but one person is a liberal now. The only right winger in America is Barry Goldwater, and he ded.
There are reasons for a 40-hour work week, and if your employer relies on people putting in 60-70 hours, they're idiots.
Well, relying on people who leave when there's work to be done the next day, and it isn't done doesn't work out too well.
And no one was making them. They came and left when they felt like it, and the prime directive of slashdot - anything extra is me being taken advantage of, so nope, nope, nope! In return for what you all think was my employer and myself being idiots, was I got paid well, learned and did interesting things, and was seldom bored.
They knew they could rely on me to get the job done and get it right.
And hold your hands over the children's ears - this is going to be shocking........ I did a lot of things outside of my job description. I'm an Uncle Tom, the house boy as it were. Okay, I'll quit swearing now
And there was that putting in 30+ years, somewhat of an anomaly these days.
Sucks so much to be me!
Much better to be part of the cubicle crowd, doing the same thing over and again, and being paid what everyone else is being paid.
In the end, I only present my situation as an alternative to what I see in here. People who hate their jobs, hate their employers, and I suspect hate most everything and everyone around them. You read the stuff in here, and my postings on a different approach to work really piss people off. I'm not telling them to do what I did, just offering a differential opinion, on something that has worked better for me than my peers.
That's all.
What BSD essentially means to me is "no SystemD", and that's a reason enough to adopt it, license or OS.
What's it like to part of the noise floor?
Looks like a person who thinks that it is acceptable to pollute every single linux discussion with "systemd" bullshit has mod points.
This is a perfect example of how fucked up Slashdot can get every some often. Linux subject, and the trolls come out with "systemd! sysystemd!
And if someone ceomplians or tells them that their trolling is beyond pointless, they get modded down?
Sounds legit, carry on!
The pay gap is a myth and when the studies are analysed and things such as years of experience and hours worked are taken into effect women earn the same if not more than males in the same job.
The biased studies that try to show a gap try to equate age to "years of experience" and don't account for a 40 year old male who has spent 20 years working after college to a 40 year old female who took 5 years off to stay at home with kids.
What will happen next is that women will demand equal pay regardless of experience or even job role.They will say that teaching kids is just a valuable to society as designing a jet engine and therefore the government should step in to equalize pay. Which given the way economics actually works, will only bring down the higher pay not increase the lower pay.
There is an inherent illogic in th ewhole setup as well. We have tech people being laid off in order to bring people over from other countries to work for less. There is no argument regarding that.
Why on earth do corporations that would do that, not hire all female staff so they could save 30 percent on payroll? If all else is equal, that's a hellava saving, which services the stockholders very well indeed. SO far it looks like only HuffPo has figured that out. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/...
IOW women should get hiring preference, and the male unemployment rate should be much higher than the female rate.
Yup, the future is now.
And after much resistance, I had to open a Facebook account to hand out info to a group. All my fears about it were true. Sucks you in, Oh, look there's an old high school bud. Even old girlfriends, then relatives. Then the existential angst sets in.
I fear many of them would actually like to read about Freddie's Sansung refrigerator reports that Freddie is low on milk, then the thoughts and prayers of Freddie's friends will go out to him in hopes he doesn't have to go without milk, then someone will blame the politician du jour and the fight begins.
Then the Windows Foodie Edition IoT OS borks a few million refrigerators with a refrigerator light update, causing massive spoilage, and Slashdot erupts with the whackadoodles claiming a conspiracy by the major food chains to sell more food, the shills claiming that it was actually a good thing, because people's immune systems are weak because we eat all this processed food, and if your refrigerator was screwed, it was your fault anyway you idiot!
Meanwhile the Linux Refrigerator people will brag about how much better their food is, except for the systemd trolls who are still pissed about the first version of pulseaudio.
And the Hipsters who use the iFoodie app for their vegan only refrigerators (it has an internal scanner to detect any animal products so the vegan Hipster can go annoy whoever sold them the food.
Meanwhile a massive ransomware attack locks everyone's fridge until we each pay 10,000 bitcoin to the Julian Assange, Edward Snowdon, and Jane Fonda and Barack O'blama pizza party fund. And Trump will make it happen, I can tell you that much. Meanwhile, an investigation is mounted to verify the rumors that Hillary killed 50 people by locking them in IoT microwaves.
Wow! that went to a weird place! Did I miss insulting anyone?
Where do you go if you need to concentrate? You know, like on actually getting stuff done? I guess that's all passe now.
Facebook.....I can see it now.....
Peter Gozinta shared "I'm making toast" And everyone applauds and leves little messages of encouragement about how much they like Toast.
I was going to say the same thing.
It's all fun and games until you get hacked.
IoT is a complete security clusterfuck disaster waiting to happen.
I don't "need" my fridge or toaster to be on the internet where some script kiddie can hack it.
Worry not citizen! The Internet of things is perfectly safe. And when it isn't, we have McAfee for Toasters to protect you from the bad guys.
of the party affiliation.....
Don't be a Republican memeist. Every article I have read so far says specifically that she is the daughter of the Democrat Senator from West Virginia.
Tell me is that supposed to mean that she is a Democrat? And everyone from West Virgian is a Democrat, And BENGHAZI! And just to burst another bubble, I'll be that he is a big fan of Coal mining.
Aww hell, I might as well expose that you are lying From the link to the article:
One Democratic senator whose daughter has allergies has called for action and another Democratic senator's daughter is CEO of the company responsible for the price hike.
O hell, lookie here Right here in River city from the Slashdot summary!
One Democratic senator whose daughter has allergies has called for action and another Democratic senator's daughter is CEO of the company responsible for the price hike. And just to make certain you see it - I know some of you folks need a lot of repetition for the hard stuff to sink in.....One Democratic senator whose daughter has allergies has called for action and another Democratic senator's daughter is CEO of the company responsible for the price hike.
Any questions?
Because this is exactly how you get socliazed single payer medical care.
Now I'm not saying that you're exaggerating the amount of work you did in comparison to others (especially those tricksy women, amirite?), but it would be consistent with what we know about human nature and the actual data from the workplace of people who claim to work long hours.
My hours tended to be quite variable. We had 2 meetings a year that were brutal, and I had documented 100 hour weeks. Other times random meetings and experiments might add 10-15 hours. Support functions were really variable, and by nature random. And some times I worked a 40 hour week.
So any claims I might have made to the number of hours I worked, would be brute forced averaging.
note1: might there be a non-genderized clue in there? I thrive on chaos in a positive way. Some others probably hate it with a passion - my better half has next weeks meals and chores planned already.
So someone with children might not do so well with that - even though I would leave work at 5 to pick up the kid from daycare, then come back in. Flexibility. But still, a lot of people crave structure like plants crave Brawndo.
Might women as a group prefer more structure? Maybe - I'll probably catch shit from some quarters for asking the question. Do some lifestyle choices make a difference? Hell, a single mother has a lot less flexibility.
In a forum like this, we can often get slammed into one camp or another. For some, my questions above put me squarely in the patriarchy camp.
It also ignores that I put in a good bit of time in recruiting young women into STEM fields, I put off three promotions in order that a woman get one. A silly HR quota system, and since it didn't affect pay, I was okay with it.
And in the end, when faced with the dilemma that the Ledbetter act places upon employers, I suspect that I would have been moved to an entirely different position, apart from the regular folks. Why they didn't do that in the first place is beyond me. It would have eliminated some folks from being pissed at me, and avoided other issues as well.
So if he says I prefer BSD license because I don't care about my code
You have a big problem with comprehension. He's not saying it's THE reason why YOU prefer it. He's saying it's a good match IF you don't care what others do with the code. He's talking about what the licence is good for, not about the people who use it.
No, really. I was talking to Linus just the other day over latte's and scones, (such an eclectic fellow our lad is) and he was telling me, "There's this fucking programmer that goes by QuietLagoon, and I can't stand that damned idiot. Always fucking disagreeing with me, and piss on that" (oh, our salty tongued lad, that Linus is)
But he closed with saying "I know this fucking QuietLagoon and his ways. I'll be watching that bastard, because this is personal between me and the him."
What BSD essentially means to me is "no SystemD", and that's a reason enough to adopt it, license or OS.
What's it like to part of the noise floor?
Did you miss the bit about "equal work"?
And the definition of equal work is what?
As one person told me when discussing this subject "My bread costs the same as yours. He was in big favor of a Union-like rule that if you are a sheet metal worker, that the newest and most experienced should get exactly the same pay.
I'll note that as he put in more years, it didn't seem quite so fair.
Regardless, there are people out there that demand that.
Let us take the Patriarchy out of the equation and deal with an only female situation
So tell me. A Woman who takes a year off from her position every time she has a child, should she be paid the same as a person in the same job who continued to work those 10 years?
This is not a hypothetical question. We had a staff assistant who over a 10 year period, had three children, and took the max leave each time.
And in an odd twist of equality, she got her her job back each time. While that sounds like the height of equality, that meant that her activity cost three other women their jobs, as the temporary workers lost theirs when she came back.
And if you asked her, almost certainly she will say yes. Her co-workers? Maybe not so much. The three women who lost their jobs? I dunno, they weren't around to ask.
If you were to ask the people who worked with me yet were making a third of what I was - I wonder what their response would be. I know many didn't like it one bit. That didn't cause them to start working harder.
The Ledbetter act, that modifies the Equal Pay act (1963!!) also known as the Fair Pay Act of 2009 shows a prima facie cas as:
Prohibits paying employees in a job dominated by a particular sex, race, or national origin less than employees in another job dominated by the opposite sex or a different race or national origin, if the jobs are “equivalent” and in the same establishment. “Equivalent jobs” means “jobs that may be dissimilar, but whose requirements are equivalent, when viewed as a composite of skills, effort, responsibility, and working conditions.”
An affirmative defense to the charges has to be
“Factor other than sex” – employer must prove: (1) such factor is either job- related with respect to the position in question or furthers legitimate business purpose; and (2) that such factor was actually applied and used reasonably in light of asserted justification. Employees could rebut legitimate business purpose defense by demonstrating that an alternative employment practice exists that would serve the same business purpose without producing such differential and employer has refused to adopt such alternative practice. It's rather difficult to find the actual contents, with most people simply siding into their camps and battling it out. http://www.americanbar.org/con...
So I think the woman who had all the children in short order, might actually have a case. Why should she be paid less than teh other women who did not make the choice to do that?
And as for the law, as I see it, my seniority or work skills are not applicable under the new law, a woman or whatever gender one feels like using, who refuses to work any more than 40 hours a week will have a successful lawsuit. Based on our genders - no one owuld ever expect her to say it wasn't gender based. Thoughts?
I do not know all of the details of this equal pay business, so I could be talking out of my ass - wouldn't be the first time. But its not remotely cut and dried. Let's hope it doesn't become a least common denominator situation.
What, you think everybody is going to be at risk of getting the same pay, across the board?
Sure, whatever.
Meanwhile, my local police department just had to settle a lawsuit for over half a million dollars because of pay disparities. Some people got paid more. Some people got paid less. And there was ZERO explanation for it.
The pay was just different.
I reprinted your post because it was so interesting. Despite your "sure whatever part, your post in the next paragraph offers the disproof of what you say.. If no one knows why, it might have been to pay everyone the same. But hey! Whatev.
Fuck me, I'd forgotten how fucking awful comments on this site are.
Oh well. It's been nice, Slashdot. But I think we're done.
Trigger warning! Someone's about to post something......
SRSLY? Entitiy, if that comment pushed you over the edge, you sersiously need a safe area where no one dares utter a word you disagree with. That wasn't even designed to upset anyone.
If I knew you needed something to piss and moan about, I'd do a lot better than that post. I haz mad skillz.
That's all good, but it still doesn't answer the question of how you suffer if someone else doing the same job makes as much as you.
Then we have to define Job and work. The job that a bunch of others and myself had was the same. The work we did? Along with one other guy who are professional and willing to put in extra. We did a helluva lot more work than the rest of them.
Which is all to say, if someone with the same job was doing as much work as I was, I don't have a problem if it was female, black, hispanic, gay transgender or a bunny rabbit.
If someone with the same job was doing much less, such as refusing to work anything other than 8-5, refusing to go on field trips to work, refusing to work the meetings, then yes, I do have a problem with them making as much as me for doing significantly less work, end especially less of the more demanidng work.
And while not all co-workers were like that - there was another guy who was seriously competent that I woked with, most of the others were not.
And there is an inconvenient truth that only two of the women were willing to do anything other than minimum. Those two were as hard working as my deceased frind and myself. Hell for big meetings, I would often finish people's work for them that would not otherwise be finished in time. This was known to management, and another reason for the pay differential.
So the question might be reversed, should everyone with the same job description be paid exactly the same, regardless of work output or experience?
That by the way, is as equal an inequity as the opposite.