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SETI Has Observed a 'Strong' Signal That May Originate From a Sun-like Star (arstechnica.com)
An anonymous reader writes: The RATAN-600 radio telescope in Zelenchukskaya, Russia has detected a strong signal around 11 GHz (which is very unlikely to be naturally-caused) coming from HD164595, a star nearly identical in mass to the Sun and located about 95 light years from Earth. The system is known to have at least one planet. If the signal were isotropic, it would seem to indicate a Kardashev Type II civilization. While it is too early to draw any conclusions, the discovery will be discussed at an upcoming SETI committee meeting on September 27th. According to Paul Gilster, author of the Centauri Dreams website, "No one is claiming that this is the work of an extraterrestrial civilization, but it is certainly worth further study. Working out the strength of the signal, the researchers say that if it came from an isotropic beacon, it would be of a power possible only for a Kardashev Type II civilization. If it were a narrow beam signal focused on our Solar System, it would be of a power available to a Kardashev Type I civilization. The possibility of noise of one form or another cannot be ruled out, and researchers in Paris led by Jean Schneider are considering the possible microlensing of a background source by HD164595. But the signal is provocative enough that the RATAN-600 researchers are calling for permanent monitoring of this target."
But it's aliens.
Is used for microwave communication, so it could be that. A bounced signal or something.
I usually don't post anything here, but...It seems like not all are that impressed.
https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=80193#1813506
and they are going to keep not claiming very loudly and repeatedly.
Let's put the aliens on a watch-list. Because humans putting humans on watch-lists isn't nearly invasive enough.
Please no, we can't take a Kardashian civilization!
Has Donald Trump started planning the wall to keep them away already?
Title Gore, signal only detected once, probably terestrial in origin.
Except possibly in the widest sense of "SETI has observed someone else observing"... A Russian radio-telescope site claims it has observed the alleged signal well over a year ago - which should give you an idea how important this observation is. The headline, copied straight from ARS Technica though, isn't just ordinarily imprecise, but anyone who's on social media is already aware of the original observation, and is now eagerly waiting for independent confirmation. Without that, it can be anything from an attempt grabbing funding to a Russian radio-frequency jammer test. Because of that, an idependent SETI observation would be very significant. Unfortunately, it's likely a rare event since they've not managed to spot it again in over a year.
welcome our new Kardashev Type II overlords
Sometimes I fear we ARE a Kardashian type civilization....
Fart once in our general direction and you're going to get monitored permanently.
alguém fala pra essa retardada que mulher que anda de carro essa hora da madrugada é viciada em pó ou trabalha em tele-entrega de buceta, e que eu prefiro mulher de verdade, não criança esnobe que exibe tico novo como se fosse uma colecionadora de pokemons.
Nice to see your pride in your disgusting slave-driving past.
I fired up xephem and determined this to be in the constellation hercules, not far from vega, is this right? Since vega is a star that appears in the summer in the northern hemisphere this would make visual observation possible.
But perhaps my coordinates are all wrong?
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This has been played out in the media in a way that a "high" Kardashev (no relation to the Kardashians I believe) is exciting, in that it points to a very advanced civilization. In reality it is the opposite, a signal requiring a civilization to have fully harnessed a star means that it is less likely to be an actual ET signal.
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Aliens that are advanced enough to signal us with that kind of power aren't going to find us advanced enough to be worth talking to if they can even understand our primitive methods of communication at all. If there's anything we have that they want, they'll just come take it, much like we don't ask permission before clearcutting forests inhabited by animals. Even if they just want to study us, our scientists don't send a beacon to an ant colony before they come and fill the ant colony with molten aluminum to take a casting -- so there's no reason to think that advanced aliens would do so either, they'll just come and do their studies and if they happen to kill humanity with their research techniques, that's just a necessary part of research, no big loss.
and this being Russians means they did not follow proper protocol. But putting all other things aside - this has been observed once so either the bastards 94lya nuked themselves into pieces or this was a just a electromagnetic fart or some other one off disturbance.
Clearly it must be Thargoids.
Kardashev Type II civilization - yeah, we all know what one of those is. I use the phrase at least twenty times a day.
> 11 GHz (which is very unlikely to be naturally-caused)
Aside from fucking military radio signals...
Like the United States, England, France, Russia, China, or any other country where there is human trafficking....
Just for your amusement, non-Slavic speakers:
Zelenchukskaya means "of vegetables".
You don't read much, do you
What I was thinking, in the off chance that this is an advanced alien civ, like 10000 years more advanced than us or more, then that indirectly would confirm that despite our SF stories, faster than light travel may indeed be impossible if such an advanced civ wasn't able to crack it - otherwise they would have simply visited.
Kardashev Type II means a civilization able to harvest the energy of an entire star (all of it).
The signal is so strong it requires that kind of energy.
Very unlikely to be from a "civilization".
Spinning at 11E9? or... would actually be 5.5E9 revolutions per second?
Getting past all the jokes, and all of the "it's a year-old signal" and all that. Let's assume that it is advanced life - at least as advanced as today's slashdot crowd. What now? Do we start sending signals to it and waiting 190 years to see if something comes back? Does this prove that maybe the best approach to finding advanced life out there, is to simply assume that it's there, praise the universe for it, and carry on with improving life here? Because if that signal is some advanced civilization, it means nothing practical beyond, "Hey look, life in other parts of the universe! Wow!"
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The Arrival doesn't premier until November 2016. It seems a little early for this...
That a lot of people at SETI are cumming in their pants for absolutely nothing. Maybe a few months from now we'll hear some quiet story about how this has nothing to do with aliens.
> Kardashev Type II civilization
Kardashians? Or Kardassians?
An advanced civilization capable of sending such a beacon would have the ability to modulate the signal..That leaves a couple of possibilities, Natural phenomenon, or remnants of a dead civilization triggering some signal.
...they announce that the signal has a blue shift component.
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I read recently that SETI had decoded the message. While they're not sure of the meaning, it stated, "All your base are belong to us"
It finally happened, today, here, on my immortal beloved Slashdot.
The day has finally arrived. No, not the Singularity, even.
We have even named it. So, all we have to do is wait for the inevitable--when the headlines blurt out the ominous things we have watched only on films like Independence Day
The Kardashians are coming!!
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Of course it is; a message in a bottle. Wake me when we can READ it (and not just imaging we're looking at a paper.)
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You're quite wrong: I have traced the origins of my family with the utmost care and none of my ancestors have been involved with the slave trade in any way. Now, cannibalism, that's another thing. It seems some branch of my family was quite fond of nomming long pig.
And today it's called "Capitalism".
https://seti.berkeley.edu/HD16...
So... wanting to get paid for my skilled labor is slavery? You heard it here first, folks. Actually you heard it in 1984 first. Freedom is slavery.
I will stop playing with my 11g router now.
"It's not intelligent life, just the military."
Table-ized A.I.
He typed that in on a phone or computer that has had trillions of capitalist dollars dumped into improvements in over the past few decades.
I hate capitalism, I mean daddy! He is so embarrassing when he talks to the cashier at the checkout at the supermarket! Gosh!
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Wanting to get paid for your labor isn't capitalism. Wanting to get paid just for already owning something is.
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What? No flies? You would take their only form of nutrition from them?
IT'S WAR
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They have laws against estigation, in or out. Watch yourself, primitive bag-of-mostly-water.
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If Earth launched a satellite precisely enough at the direction of the HD164595, and sufficient time elapsed for the distance to make earth's solar orbit fall in the range of the satellite's broadcast, and the satellite was sending communications back towards earth in its trail, could we not prank some future generation by not recording the launch? And how exactly do we know that wasn't done to us? Soviet Russia would have valued being the only ones to know that a signal wasn't coming from aliens, for example. Or some USA billionaire could have planned it, or rogue NASA could have calculated its eventual transmission would increase NASA funding...
If we translate the signal and it says that a Kardasian Prince needs us to transfer money in order to release millions of dollars from his account, it's a bad sign.
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He typed that in on a phone or computer that has had trillions of capitalist dollars dumped into improvements in over the past few decades.
You can thank the UK government for funding research for computers as we know them, and the US government for building the early internet. There's a lot of great arguments for capitalism, but equating markets with capitalism and pointing at the things that WERE invented under capitalism aren't among them.
WOW!
A non repetitive radio signal of 2s is some manmade stuff like a phase array radar bouncing onto the antenna. Or it was just a glitch in their amplifier or the like.
...will surely support your motion.
Probably 2 millisecond old, coming from a Rivet Joint which sneaked around Russia and turned on their Radar to map out something which was of interest.
We know you and your friends Angela and Hillary want to committ suicide. Why don't you just move to Antarctica ? Why do you have to mess up the White Man's lands ? Get lost !
There are quite objective measures of complexity, information and intelligence.
And if you do not believe me, build a HSDPA modem and then come back and call humanity stupid. Or build a Diesel engine yourself.
We really don't need defeatists like you.
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Uh, Linux geek since 1999.
Sorry, which country is true capitalism? All i see around here are state sponsored monopolies, global corporations who make their own rules, the military industrial complex and lobbyists.
If you live in the west, and probably everywhere else, you live in corporatism, not capitalism.
The grand parent was saying that the current corporate culture of profit driven "capitalism" is akin to slavery with its destruction of the individual, and the race to the bottom. Maybe slavery got us computers and all that, but it also built the pyramids. The ends don't necessarily justify the means, and certainly aren't the only way to go about doing things. I fail to see your point. That computers wouldn't have been invented if not for monopolies? If you know the history of technology that is not what happened. In fact its the reverse. Small companies like microsoft defeating huge behemoths like IBM. (Which then of course became just as ruthless as the companies they successfully usurped, starting the cycle all over again)
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Uh, Linux geek since 1999.
Eh, Communism is just as happy to enslave you and make you work for the good of the party leaders.
Just ask the North Koreans.
Everyone I know is using their fancy 1W+ to tap out morse code and binary versions of the voyager plaque at this part of the sky. Mfers going to think a disco hit them in 95 years!
You know how it is, when you're working hard to invent the steam engine, your explorer finally reaches the last continent and discovers Gandhi there with tanks and mech inf?
That's us.
No, willing to get paid so little for it is.
Difference between capitalism and communism: in capitalism, is man against man. Communism is just opposite.
Clearly they are advanced because the dial on their radio goes all the way to 11.
In Soviet Russia, E.T. phones YOU!
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Ranking civilizations by their ability to use the energy of the stars?
What about anti-matter? What about exotic sources of energy that aren't understood very well yet (like dark matter or black holes or time space)?
And how is it that the VOLUME of energy usage relates to the level of civilization? That's like saying whales have larger brains so they have better lives than humans or are on a higher level or whatever.
And you know what? What if the people there are stuck in 1970's technology but are happy in a way that is entirely impossible to empirically measure?
You have to really be living in your parent's basement to care about things like this. Another example is the consortium of nuclear alarmist scientists or whatever.
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