What's wrong with that? Belgium (and the EU in general, though this is Belgium only for now) believes loot boxes are detrimental to their population, especially the young people targeted by that business model. It's a model that can have massive (negative) financial impacts on the individual, and fosters addiction. Now, you may not believe that about loot boxes, and that's your right, but the Belgian government does, and as a self-respecting government thinking about doing the best for its population, it decided to act.
Gambling addiction is interesting, and apparently has a genetic component. https://www.nhs.uk/news/geneti... The study notes that almost half of all gambling addicts are women - so what the hell - is this pandering for money because once you invoke the W word, people get sympathetic and shower their largess upon it?? If you weren't, you'd write that gambling addiction is fairly consistent between the sexes. But I digress.
Anyhow, the brains of addicts get the same sort of endorphin buzz over almost winning as they do actually winning. Whereas normal people get mostly discouraged by losing, and almost winning tends more to piss them off. I personally get zero joy from almost winning, and the very few times I have gambled, found the idea of investing much better while I was gambling.
But my point is that normal children will not become addicts.
I also believe there is no future in banning everything that someone might become addicted to.
Lessee Belgium.... I enjoy a nice Belgium ale a few times a year - but people can become alcoholics. Should we ban alcoholic beverages?
Or the biggie - Sexual addiction. Ban sex some folks get addicted to it. .
Slashdot Neckbeards need to figure out what they want.
You and probably some of the libertarian/alt-right/randroid/all-government-is-collectivism types say:
"Nanny State"
Wowsers! Never been called Alt-Right before. Why dropping to insults, as you're going to see when you read lower.
Then someone else says:
"Loot boxes and microtransactions are anti-consumer and EVIL and should be banned"
Right off, your concept of "everyone must think the same is a little disturbing. No, they don't, and there is no reason that they should.
Besides, you can't run countries with millions of people like some tiny village with a few selectmen, you need strong central governments because too many are working cross-purposes and causing harm to the nation as a whole.
It makes me exceptionally nervous when I see Europeans start talking about strong central governments. This trait pops up every once in a while, and the results are usually pretty bad.
I really hate this kind of bullshit on slashdot, the reality is games are still largely targetted towards kids and teens who's brains aren't developed. Maybe you want to raise a generation of gambling addicts but I don't.
We need a Ministry of responsible Adulthood grooming.
The trouble here is the games industry is refusing to self regulate. And who can blame them? They're making not just billions, but tens of billions. Activision and EA have collectively increased their market cap by $70 billion. Like it or not, loot boxes work. And they work because _gambling_ works. It's not as though the effects of gambling aren't well researched either.
Look - I understand gambling, and I think those who do it regularly are idiots. But for my money, it isn't a mental illness.
Does the EU not have stock markets? That is gambling, and there are people who are addicted to that, and people who lose everything.
At this point I think the game makers know what they're doing is wrong and that they're going to have to stop.
I wonder if Candy Crush is next on the hit list?
And if the EU is nannying it's citizens, why not ban gambling in all th eplaces that have casinos in the EU - I'd bet my life that those Casinos have ruiuned many more lives than loot boxes.
In Europe Black Friday is not a thing, despite desperate attempts to pretend it is by US companies.
Regardless, it seems like the employees are agitating for being replaced by robots.Going for the sabot approach it looks like
Google new York longshoreman history. Perhaps the European Union should set up it's own Amazon type company. Except it seems like banning and taxing things created in the free world is more to their liking.
There are very few buildings still standing after ~850 years.
That's a US-centric view. Around the world, there are many buildings that are over ~850 years old. The Leaning Tower isn't even the oldest building in the Field of Miracles.
You are trolling today aint ya? Chillaxe, my dude.
Even a gratuitous USA shot - I gotta hand credit where it's due, working that in on a story about the LToP.
It's an old tower building that has a remarkable history, and while there are other buildings might be older, I think even you would have to admit that there aren't that many that are leaning to that extent - and still surviving.
Interesting. I had several people get promotions over me - which was exactly what you described. These were gender promotions for lack of a better word, getting women promoted as high and fast as possible.
Or perhaps you are just bad at your job.
Hehe, perhaps.
So technically I was the lowest ranked person in my department. I happened to be paid over 3 times as much as anyone else.
Have you seen their paychecks? That is probably just what they told you.
Seriously, you have to step up your trolling, We all knew what we were all making. People, especially those who are interested in badges and other shiny stuff, would tend to exxagerate what they made.
The point is, some people are interested in badges, and some of us like our appreciation shown in money.
I assume that the AC here thinks that he is being witty.
tens of millions of people believe this, though.
A little bit of exaggeration there Geoffrey?
Yes there are some people who are genuine kooks, and will believe anything but the truth.
But there are a lot more who just troll for the LuLz.
Gotta remember that the best way to deal with the trolls, is to laugh with them. And the best way to deal with the kooks is to give them even crazier shit to believe.
That said, I have to get heading off through the Pizzagate tunnels to Area 51 (that pedophile stuff was just a cover story for Elon Musk's real purpose, a boring tube, to provide a safe transit for the idle elite when the meteorite they have known about for 20 years hits the earth), and where Oblama hides his Kenyan Birth certificate, and he and Hellery are meeting with the Illuminati in the warehouse where the chemtrails and poison vaccines are stored. Wake up America!
p>You know, that isn't really funny, because millions of people actually believe that shit. There really doesn't seem to be any possible satire conspiracy theory so extreme that people don't believe it.
Stanley Kubrick filmed the fake moon landings, but he was such a perfectionist he made NASA go to the moon to do it.
How many Uber or Lyft I wouldn't know; a lot of them are still sleeping in their cars at the parking lot at the mall.
Let's face it, taxi drivers are not at the top of the food chain, and are pretty easily exploitable.
But Jeezus on a pogo stick, that's no reason to exploit them. If you have a working person that has to sleep in their car - that's a pretty good indicator that your system isn't working.
The independent contractor business started for two reasons - one of the biggest ones was to avoid paying benefits. And one of the biggest reasons for that was not as much the cost, but the rapidly inflating costs were making it impossible to produce a budget. Where my better half worked, they had health insurance triple in cost over a one year period.
Which is exactly why if I were an employer, I'd be agitating hard for a single payer system. I would now know how to create a budget. Hard to run a profitable business with one of the cost drivers being horribly unstable.
Bullshit like tripling in cost over one year can destroy any profit you might make, and eliminating healthcare costs you the better employees. Pick your poison.
In an environment where everyone has limited options in dress and accessorizing, medals and badges are both a visible sign of personal accomplishment and recognition for those accomplishments. It's also an environment where you don't get raises based on performance, and there are time-in-grade requirements before you can be promoted again which is what gives you the pay raise.
You can poopoo the value of such things, but that just shows you don't understand the environment or the people who live in it.
Interesting. I had several people get promotions over me - which was exactly what you described. These were gender promotions for lack of a better word, getting women promoted as high and fast as possible.
So technically I was the lowest ranked person in my department. I happened to be paid over 3 times as much as anyone else. Part of our understanding was that I would be compensated in other ways than medals and badges.
Yeah - some folks like that sort of thing. I personally think that my method of real compensation was a bit smarter. And any of these folks that tried to pull rank on me found out about the realpolitik of the situation.
Which means burnout, which results in how to game the system, which results in cheating and theft and high turnover. Disposable workers == disposable companies == disposable investors == disposable customers, basically management by psychopath, so the system works until it blows up taking the company with it. The gig economy is just sly PR=B$ for piece labour, labour camp labour, you have a job today, you can leave the camp to work and when work is over you return.
Brutal, but true. Amazing that they are selling the independent contractor, gig economy bullshit as some sort of "Muh Freedom!" model, a sort of pinnacle of unlimited earnings and livin' the dream.
These "independent contractors" are just part of the manipulation, the sort of idea that is sold to people that they are temporarily inconvenienced billionaires who will rise like cream to the top.
How many Uber or Lyft Driver millionaires do we have yet? Unlimited earning potential you know....
The European Union knows what is fair. The European Union needs to create it's own search engine. This will ensure that the European Union will have exactly precisely, and EU approved search engine that it needs.
Seems so simple, and if fair, Google should be out of business very quickly. Perhaps even blocked in the EU.
I've got to agree. I think it's an 'engineer' response though - instead of "yes, we can do that", the engineer thinks of all the problems they're gonna have to fix and talks about them instead.
Hold on. Looking at problems is great. I see a lot of "This will never work" from slashdotters, rather than "Hey - how do we solve this problem to make it work".
The engineer needs to get excited about problems to fix. And scientists are downright gleeful about problems to figure out. That's why they laugh at news stories that try to sound like some new discovery has them all perplexed and upset. More the opposite.
Too many people in here have attitudes that would have kept us in mud huts. Because "Something something will never work!"
I opt not to call you clueless for either or all of 1. thinking that a 2-3x battery density will happen in a couple of years, 2. you assuming that solar specs and costs will stay standstill over decades; 3. ignoring that commercial flights in some decades may in some part describe the type of traffic you talk about, incl. unmanned planes (commercial =/= passenger)
Exactly. I've been in many discussions with people who look at technical issues with a uni-variant outlook. We see it in here a lot, people who only look at one aspect. Solar/Wind power is a big example, and related to this story and the reactions of some. With wind power, people speak of the wind dying down - which ignores that there are areas where it essentially never does, like the Allegheny front. Even if so, along with the advances in the wind turbines, there are advances in battery storage. Same goes for solar power. I always chuckle when I read a Slashdot post with someone noting that solar will never work because it gets dark at night. Even without advances, solar and wind can borrow a trick used by the fossil fuel industries. Use excess power to pump water into a reservoir, then drain the reservoir through a turbine during peak . But I drift off topic.
Hmm... some people think that life was better back then... maybe you do have a point...
Wow - I re-read what I wrote, man - that was kinda dark. Hopefully I didn't Poe anyone.
On the front of our lad Donnie, and his crusade for truth, I see that Chief Justice Thomas gave him a dressing down yesterday When the most conservative guy on the Supreme court tells the Republicans to step off, we are on the cusp of maximally interesting times.
which are designed to compensate struggling news publishers
While in general I really don't like Trump, it would be satisfying in a primal way if he told their news orgs, "Get with the times you loser luddites and stop interfering with US companies!". He scratches the itch of the inner caveman.
A Ministry of truth would turn the trick. One where citizens would eliminate any incorrect news, and one that could also shut down the present liberal media and replace it with truthful news run by government owned entities.
Then after a period of time to settle down, and to eliminate the recalcitrant in the name of truth and patriotism, we will have no news that is fake, only truthful news that ensures domestic tranquility, and ensured by the Ministry of truth.
This is probably also passed by politicians that have never used a computer or don't understand what the impact of the legislation is? Every time I think there is a chance for the EU we get news of some old school thinking screwing with the road forward.
It feels like Europe sees non-European companies harvesting profits from their population and wants a piece.
Perhaps the EU can makes it's own version of Google. If it is better, then Google won't be used. Call it Eugle?
If money is what they want - perhaps they can put in the work to make it? Or just kick Google out and not allow EU citizens to access it.
Careful, that's sounding dangerously close to the great soy boy panic of 2018...
Close enough.
THere is a strange sort of denial that I have seen among some people regarding the existence of the Estrogen mimics - usually to ridicule anyone who dares to broach the subject, in the dmanner that some folks might ridicule anti-Vaxxers.
Yet theere is absolutely no scientific denial that Estrogen mimics and phytoestrogens have an effect upon humans.
Precocious puberty in females caused by excessive estrogen/estropgen mimics causes health problem in women, and bynecomastia in men is also caused by messed up estrogen to androgen ratio.
Atrazine, BPA, DDT, Dioxin, Endosulfan, PolyBrominated biphenols, Polyclorinated biphenyls, phthalates, Zeranol, 4-MBC in Suntan lotions, BHA food preservative, FD&C red No 3, Increased consumption of soy and phytostrogenic food.
While a definitive proof that this overdosing of estrogen mimic and endocrine disrupters are not part of the worrying drops in testosterone production in men, there is a political reason to deny it, and smacks of tobacco industry denial of tobacco's carcinogenic effects
Now given that purposely giving a male estrogen is considered an important and necessary part of transitioning from a male to appearance of a female, it is going to take a real interesting tack to pretend that phytoestrogens and endocrine disrupters have no effect on the male of the species.
I know a few folks who accept that the effect is real, but are actually pleased with that. But they seem to gloss over that while men's health issues are of no concern to them - they forget that females are harmed by this as well.
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What's wrong with that? Belgium (and the EU in general, though this is Belgium only for now) believes loot boxes are detrimental to their population, especially the young people targeted by that business model. It's a model that can have massive (negative) financial impacts on the individual, and fosters addiction. Now, you may not believe that about loot boxes, and that's your right, but the Belgian government does, and as a self-respecting government thinking about doing the best for its population, it decided to act.
Gambling addiction is interesting, and apparently has a genetic component. https://www.nhs.uk/news/geneti... The study notes that almost half of all gambling addicts are women - so what the hell - is this pandering for money because once you invoke the W word, people get sympathetic and shower their largess upon it?? If you weren't, you'd write that gambling addiction is fairly consistent between the sexes. But I digress.
Anyhow, the brains of addicts get the same sort of endorphin buzz over almost winning as they do actually winning. Whereas normal people get mostly discouraged by losing, and almost winning tends more to piss them off. I personally get zero joy from almost winning, and the very few times I have gambled, found the idea of investing much better while I was gambling.
But my point is that normal children will not become addicts.
I also believe there is no future in banning everything that someone might become addicted to.
Lessee Belgium.... I enjoy a nice Belgium ale a few times a year - but people can become alcoholics. Should we ban alcoholic beverages?
Or the biggie - Sexual addiction. Ban sex some folks get addicted to it. .
So you agree with me. It's not the age of the building that makes it interesting and famous, but the lean.
Its both. It wouldn't be as famous, but the age is interesting as well.
What does the EU have to do with this story?
Belgium is a member, and this is the sort of thing that the EU is getting more and more into these days. All you have to do is wait a short while
Slashdot Neckbeards need to figure out what they want.
You and probably some of the libertarian/alt-right/randroid/all-government-is-collectivism types say:
"Nanny State"
Wowsers! Never been called Alt-Right before. Why dropping to insults, as you're going to see when you read lower.
Then someone else says:
"Loot boxes and microtransactions are anti-consumer and EVIL and should be banned"
Right off, your concept of "everyone must think the same is a little disturbing. No, they don't, and there is no reason that they should.
Besides, you can't run countries with millions of people like some tiny village with a few selectmen, you need strong central governments because too many are working cross-purposes and causing harm to the nation as a whole.
It makes me exceptionally nervous when I see Europeans start talking about strong central governments. This trait pops up every once in a while, and the results are usually pretty bad.
I'm not saying the EU is a Nanny State....
But it's a Nanny State.
Is there a Ministry of Protection from Games yet?
I really hate this kind of bullshit on slashdot, the reality is games are still largely targetted towards kids and teens who's brains aren't developed. Maybe you want to raise a generation of gambling addicts but I don't.
We need a Ministry of responsible Adulthood grooming.
The trouble here is the games industry is refusing to self regulate. And who can blame them? They're making not just billions, but tens of billions. Activision and EA have collectively increased their market cap by $70 billion. Like it or not, loot boxes work. And they work because _gambling_ works. It's not as though the effects of gambling aren't well researched either.
Look - I understand gambling, and I think those who do it regularly are idiots. But for my money, it isn't a mental illness.
Does the EU not have stock markets? That is gambling, and there are people who are addicted to that, and people who lose everything.
At this point I think the game makers know what they're doing is wrong and that they're going to have to stop.
I wonder if Candy Crush is next on the hit list?
And if the EU is nannying it's citizens, why not ban gambling in all th eplaces that have casinos in the EU - I'd bet my life that those Casinos have ruiuned many more lives than loot boxes.
Or Candy Crush.
In Europe Black Friday is not a thing, despite desperate attempts to pretend it is by US companies.
Regardless, it seems like the employees are agitating for being replaced by robots.Going for the sabot approach it looks like
Google new York longshoreman history. Perhaps the European Union should set up it's own Amazon type company. Except it seems like banning and taxing things created in the free world is more to their liking.
That's a US-centric view. Around the world, there are many buildings that are over ~850 years old. The Leaning Tower isn't even the oldest building in the Field of Miracles.
You are trolling today aint ya? Chillaxe, my dude.
Even a gratuitous USA shot - I gotta hand credit where it's due, working that in on a story about the LToP.
It's an old tower building that has a remarkable history, and while there are other buildings might be older, I think even you would have to admit that there aren't that many that are leaning to that extent - and still surviving.
But it's a Nanny State.
Is there a Ministry of Protection from Games yet?
Or perhaps you are just bad at your job.
Hehe, perhaps.
So technically I was the lowest ranked person in my department. I happened to be paid over 3 times as much as anyone else.
Have you seen their paychecks? That is probably just what they told you.
Seriously, you have to step up your trolling, We all knew what we were all making. People, especially those who are interested in badges and other shiny stuff, would tend to exxagerate what they made.
The point is, some people are interested in badges, and some of us like our appreciation shown in money.
And give it all to SpaceX.
They are actually accomplishing something, besides cost overruns.
We made heat shields that did a much harder job in the 60's, bringing Astronauts home; this is something harder?
How's your Chemtrail research coming along?
I assume that the AC here thinks that he is being witty.
tens of millions of people believe this, though.
A little bit of exaggeration there Geoffrey?
Yes there are some people who are genuine kooks, and will believe anything but the truth.
But there are a lot more who just troll for the LuLz.
Gotta remember that the best way to deal with the trolls, is to laugh with them. And the best way to deal with the kooks is to give them even crazier shit to believe.
That said, I have to get heading off through the Pizzagate tunnels to Area 51 (that pedophile stuff was just a cover story for Elon Musk's real purpose, a boring tube, to provide a safe transit for the idle elite when the meteorite they have known about for 20 years hits the earth), and where Oblama hides his Kenyan Birth certificate, and he and Hellery are meeting with the Illuminati in the warehouse where the chemtrails and poison vaccines are stored. Wake up America!
p>You know, that isn't really funny, because millions of people actually believe that shit. There really doesn't seem to be any possible satire conspiracy theory so extreme that people don't believe it.
Stanley Kubrick filmed the fake moon landings, but he was such a perfectionist he made NASA go to the moon to do it.
How many Uber or Lyft I wouldn't know; a lot of them are still sleeping in their cars at the parking lot at the mall.
Let's face it, taxi drivers are not at the top of the food chain, and are pretty easily exploitable.
But Jeezus on a pogo stick, that's no reason to exploit them. If you have a working person that has to sleep in their car - that's a pretty good indicator that your system isn't working. The independent contractor business started for two reasons - one of the biggest ones was to avoid paying benefits. And one of the biggest reasons for that was not as much the cost, but the rapidly inflating costs were making it impossible to produce a budget. Where my better half worked, they had health insurance triple in cost over a one year period.
Which is exactly why if I were an employer, I'd be agitating hard for a single payer system. I would now know how to create a budget. Hard to run a profitable business with one of the cost drivers being horribly unstable.
Bullshit like tripling in cost over one year can destroy any profit you might make, and eliminating healthcare costs you the better employees. Pick your poison.
In an environment where everyone has limited options in dress and accessorizing, medals and badges are both a visible sign of personal accomplishment and recognition for those accomplishments. It's also an environment where you don't get raises based on performance, and there are time-in-grade requirements before you can be promoted again which is what gives you the pay raise.
You can poopoo the value of such things, but that just shows you don't understand the environment or the people who live in it.
Interesting. I had several people get promotions over me - which was exactly what you described. These were gender promotions for lack of a better word, getting women promoted as high and fast as possible.
So technically I was the lowest ranked person in my department. I happened to be paid over 3 times as much as anyone else. Part of our understanding was that I would be compensated in other ways than medals and badges.
Yeah - some folks like that sort of thing. I personally think that my method of real compensation was a bit smarter. And any of these folks that tried to pull rank on me found out about the realpolitik of the situation.
Which means burnout, which results in how to game the system, which results in cheating and theft and high turnover. Disposable workers == disposable companies == disposable investors == disposable customers, basically management by psychopath, so the system works until it blows up taking the company with it. The gig economy is just sly PR=B$ for piece labour, labour camp labour, you have a job today, you can leave the camp to work and when work is over you return.
Brutal, but true. Amazing that they are selling the independent contractor, gig economy bullshit as some sort of "Muh Freedom!" model, a sort of pinnacle of unlimited earnings and livin' the dream.
These "independent contractors" are just part of the manipulation, the sort of idea that is sold to people that they are temporarily inconvenienced billionaires who will rise like cream to the top.
How many Uber or Lyft Driver millionaires do we have yet? Unlimited earning potential you know....
Seems so simple, and if fair, Google should be out of business very quickly. Perhaps even blocked in the EU.
I've got to agree. I think it's an 'engineer' response though - instead of "yes, we can do that", the engineer thinks of all the problems they're gonna have to fix and talks about them instead.
Hold on. Looking at problems is great. I see a lot of "This will never work" from slashdotters, rather than "Hey - how do we solve this problem to make it work".
The engineer needs to get excited about problems to fix. And scientists are downright gleeful about problems to figure out. That's why they laugh at news stories that try to sound like some new discovery has them all perplexed and upset. More the opposite.
Too many people in here have attitudes that would have kept us in mud huts. Because "Something something will never work!"
I opt not to call you clueless for either or all of 1. thinking that a 2-3x battery density will happen in a couple of years, 2. you assuming that solar specs and costs will stay standstill over decades; 3. ignoring that commercial flights in some decades may in some part describe the type of traffic you talk about, incl. unmanned planes (commercial =/= passenger)
Exactly. I've been in many discussions with people who look at technical issues with a uni-variant outlook. We see it in here a lot, people who only look at one aspect. Solar/Wind power is a big example, and related to this story and the reactions of some. With wind power, people speak of the wind dying down - which ignores that there are areas where it essentially never does, like the Allegheny front. Even if so, along with the advances in the wind turbines, there are advances in battery storage. Same goes for solar power. I always chuckle when I read a Slashdot post with someone noting that solar will never work because it gets dark at night. Even without advances, solar and wind can borrow a trick used by the fossil fuel industries. Use excess power to pump water into a reservoir, then drain the reservoir through a turbine during peak . But I drift off topic.
Hey, we had that for about half a century!
Hmm... some people think that life was better back then... maybe you do have a point...
Wow - I re-read what I wrote, man - that was kinda dark. Hopefully I didn't Poe anyone.
On the front of our lad Donnie, and his crusade for truth, I see that Chief Justice Thomas gave him a dressing down yesterday When the most conservative guy on the Supreme court tells the Republicans to step off, we are on the cusp of maximally interesting times.
While in general I really don't like Trump, it would be satisfying in a primal way if he told their news orgs, "Get with the times you loser luddites and stop interfering with US companies!". He scratches the itch of the inner caveman.
A Ministry of truth would turn the trick. One where citizens would eliminate any incorrect news, and one that could also shut down the present liberal media and replace it with truthful news run by government owned entities.
Then after a period of time to settle down, and to eliminate the recalcitrant in the name of truth and patriotism, we will have no news that is fake, only truthful news that ensures domestic tranquility, and ensured by the Ministry of truth.
This is probably also passed by politicians that have never used a computer or don't understand what the impact of the legislation is? Every time I think there is a chance for the EU we get news of some old school thinking screwing with the road forward.
It feels like Europe sees non-European companies harvesting profits from their population and wants a piece.
Perhaps the EU can makes it's own version of Google. If it is better, then Google won't be used. Call it Eugle?
If money is what they want - perhaps they can put in the work to make it? Or just kick Google out and not allow EU citizens to access it.
Careful, that's sounding dangerously close to the great soy boy panic of 2018...
Close enough.
THere is a strange sort of denial that I have seen among some people regarding the existence of the Estrogen mimics - usually to ridicule anyone who dares to broach the subject, in the dmanner that some folks might ridicule anti-Vaxxers.
Yet theere is absolutely no scientific denial that Estrogen mimics and phytoestrogens have an effect upon humans.
Precocious puberty in females caused by excessive estrogen/estropgen mimics causes health problem in women, and bynecomastia in men is also caused by messed up estrogen to androgen ratio.
Atrazine, BPA, DDT, Dioxin, Endosulfan, PolyBrominated biphenols, Polyclorinated biphenyls, phthalates, Zeranol, 4-MBC in Suntan lotions, BHA food preservative, FD&C red No 3, Increased consumption of soy and phytostrogenic food.
While a definitive proof that this overdosing of estrogen mimic and endocrine disrupters are not part of the worrying drops in testosterone production in men, there is a political reason to deny it, and smacks of tobacco industry denial of tobacco's carcinogenic effects Now given that purposely giving a male estrogen is considered an important and necessary part of transitioning from a male to appearance of a female, it is going to take a real interesting tack to pretend that phytoestrogens and endocrine disrupters have no effect on the male of the species.
I know a few folks who accept that the effect is real, but are actually pleased with that. But they seem to gloss over that while men's health issues are of no concern to them - they forget that females are harmed by this as well.
What telemarketers? I have had zero such calls on the mobile in 17 years. .
I'm.... I'm sorry ...... Who did you say you were again?
Donnie will take care of this, and Gap will be swimming in money soon.