Just your assumption that someone somewhere must be offended.
There is almost no statement that will not offend someone.
At some point, we must come to that realization, because if we tailor everything to eliminate offense, we end up with nothing.
Torvalds is a bit of a jerk, he says stuff.
Or might I ask - should he just leave, take this as a teaching moment and allow better people who do not ever offend people take over Linux? Sounds like a worthy goal, don't ya think?
...Who is he to tell this person what "we do" or we do not do...
The person who OWNS Linux (and the "we" is the group of people permitted to contribute code).
They're working on that. Ellen Pao, Chanty Binx, The Kenyan Terror baby, Barry Goldwatter, and Asia Argento are planning to come in and take over Linux.
Have I been outlandish enough?
Now, everyone - read the last line of my gawdammed post you are reacting to. Jeebuz, I get it, ya'll are Poe'd here, but come on, when I admit it in the actual post in question that I disagree with what some people would say...... Oh what the hell - have fun.
The goal is not to act in such a way that it avoids the possibility for anyone to be offended by it. The goal is to be polite enough that most people would shrug and say, well that person is just overreacting. Linus was a long way from that balance before.
Oh sheesh. Perhaps my 30+ years of experience have been all wrong, but the easily offended crowd do not get any less offended when they are appeased.
Been there, tried it, found out that eventually the color of the office panelling and the brand of coffee at meetings was enough to set them off.
And I disagree. When the easily offended are in a group, the goal damn well does become not offending. People become too busy parsing their words that after the second second guessing, they just decide to keep their mouth shut.
On the contrary, I think Linus did an excellent job of explaining reality to this developer. Reality being that thing that has a funny way of not giving a shit about your feelings, and Linus not being required to cater to every developer's unwarranted self-importance.
Oh, and please don't use the term "scare quotes" if you don't know what they are. Thanks!
Read my last sentence in that post. I don't disagree with you. While it appears that I am for some reason disagreeing with what Torvalds wrote, I am writing how a precious snowflake would react. I only know because that is how one would react based on 30 some years of listening to the reactions of the precious folk.
And learning what they do to groups, we learned to get rid of them as soon as possible.
There is a certain Gestalt when professionals and scientists can get together, and hash out the goal at hand, and get in the zone. And when in the zone, not all the language or comments are sweet and mild. But no one cares. I've called people assholes, they've called me an asshole, I've called myself an asshole, and they the same.
The goal, when everyone is on the same page, is the task at hand. When the precious person takes over the group, the goal becomes not offending the precious person. They produce a drag that keeps people from the zone. Or as we say "Stupid fucking imbeciles".
I had zero problems with the old Linus. If he called me a name, I'd give it right back if appropriate, and not a boo-boo feeling would be had.
i'm hoping you're a fantastic troll, because the alternative is you actually have to live with yourself.
Some times the truth is a fantastic troll. I have worked with several people who would take a royal shit fit when - in their assessment - they were personally and professionally attacked by statements like what he wrote.
If you have never had the joy of working with a person who responds to any disagreement with them as a personal and unwarranted attack, you are very lucky indeed.
As for me, I tell people that if I stop offering feedback, that is when they have something to worry about.
He didn't swear and didn't get personal. No all caps even. Quite a change from before.
Yet there was plenty in his words to get upset about. Allow me to show you:
We do *not* enable new random drivers by default. And we most *definitely* don't do it when they are odd-ball ones that most people have never heard of.
We do "not" in scare Scare quotes, and claiming what "we do not". Who is he to tell this person what "we do" or we do not do.
Odd ball drivers that most people have never heard of?
How demeaning to claim that this person who put time into writing a driver was doing something "Odd-ball" and so worthless that people didn't even know of it's existence?
Yet the new "BigBen Interactive" driver that was added this merge window did exactly that.
There is it. The full monty accusation. The Judgement indeed.
Just don't do it.
What is this? 1930's Germany. Who the hell does Torvalds think he is, dishing out orders like a tyrant dictator?
Yes, yes, every developer always thinks that _their_ driver is so special and so magically important that it should be enabled by default.
DO I need to even say how demeaning and dismissive this is?
But no. When we have thousands of drivers, we don't randomly pick one new driver to be enabled by default just because some developer thinks it is special. It's not.... Please don't do things like this.
Just because Torvalds put a please in there at the end does not somehow make up for his rude attacks on the other developer's work and feelings.
How do I know this sort of thing? I've heard it over "criticisms" much milder than what he wrote. Disagreement is enough to send some people into a rage. And social media shows that the first person to moan will be considered in the right.
I don't see how that is any more polite than before. Professional way to say the same would have been:
- We have thousands of drivers so we can't enable all of them by default. This is especially true for new drivers that have not been properly tested yet and which are not known or used by a large amount of people. Please be careful about this in the future so we don't accidentally cause problems for our users.
The problem is that there are a significant number of people who would take umbrage at what you wrote. Allow me to be the worker you just said that to..... Are you accusing me of incompetence? You're saying I'm careless? You're saying that I'm trying to write bad drivers? Then that evening, social media will hear all about you being a jerk and an asshole, possibly being a "something something" bigot.
I've worked in groups who to our dismay, got one of these wonderful snowflakes on a few occasions. Eventually they have everyone walking on eggshells in order not to offend them, as the focus of the group becomes as much not upsetting the snowflake as it is performing the task at hand.
After figuring out that the snowflake simply won't take telling, I would move anyone showing signs of being too easily insulted away from us quickly, and usually they made enough trouble in most positions that the next downturn cycle they were gone.
On the contrary, it just goes to show how unnecessary his over the top style was. The irritation comes through just as clearly, but without being overtly offensive and hostile.
I know more than a few people who would still take offense at those statements.
Actually, it can be given. For example, if I were to pee on you while you're sitting on a bench minding your own business, most people would reasonably say I gave offense.
You should never need the glasses. The laser shoots down into the bowl. You'd have to get your head under the mouth piece and look up into the lighter. It's gimmick anyway. It's not going to make it any better to smoke than a traditional lighter or better yet, a mini vape.
Looking at TFA, there are plenty of reflective surfaces to send the light into places it can do damage. So perhaps you can try getting baked with this device sans eyewear, then report back to us on how safe it is.
At 2W, you do need the glasses. This is a Class 4 device. Even diffuse or indirect beam viewing can burn your eyes out before your blink reflex kicks in.
I was nailed in the eye by a laser once, a few watts. It was being bounced around as someone adjusted one of the mirrors. Doctor said it was pretty miraculous that it only hit the white of one of my eyes, and I was lucky I wasn't blinded.
Worse yet, it's green. Basically the optimal (pessimal) wavelength to maximize absorption by your (disporportionately red-reflecting green-absorbing) retina.
When I read that sentence, it was very clear that you do know exactly what you are talking about.
Look everybody - a corporate-Progressive nazi is hurling tired insults at a world hero of Freedom.
Hey Nazi asshole - what have you ever done for the world?
Look everybody, look at the nazi shitlord! Leave him a post saying "fuck off, Nazi asshole".
Oh, sheesh. Maximus whooshification.
Protip: When someone writes that someone is a "supercilious cock-a-whoop", it is likely to the point of certainty that he's being facetious. Just sayin.
Let the hate flow, I learnt the "foe" feature here 3 years into this account after an "anti-apple" comment.
Apple is a fashion choice, stop being fashists.
Strange that the article assumes that Apple users are somehow trapped on Apple products. Shall we chat about people who actually brag of how business is effectively locked into Windows?
Apple's inventions or lack of them are not the point. The point is what companies do with the inventions.
Someone's gonna hate on you no matter. I'm on Linux at the moment. At home and work I have Apple and Windows. If I post anything on any of those, I'll get flamed. Meh, whateva.
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Just your assumption that someone somewhere must be offended.
There is almost no statement that will not offend someone.
At some point, we must come to that realization, because if we tailor everything to eliminate offense, we end up with nothing.
Torvalds is a bit of a jerk, he says stuff.
Or might I ask - should he just leave, take this as a teaching moment and allow better people who do not ever offend people take over Linux? Sounds like a worthy goal, don't ya think?
We do "not" in scare Scare quotes, and claiming what "we do not". Who is he to tell this person what "we do" or we do not do.
They aren't quotes, they are asterisks. They are just there for emphasis.
Dare I say that those asterisks are enough to trigger some folks?
...Who is he to tell this person what "we do" or we do not do...
The person who OWNS Linux (and the "we" is the group of people permitted to contribute code).
They're working on that. Ellen Pao, Chanty Binx, The Kenyan Terror baby, Barry Goldwatter, and Asia Argento are planning to come in and take over Linux.
Have I been outlandish enough?
Now, everyone - read the last line of my gawdammed post you are reacting to. Jeebuz, I get it, ya'll are Poe'd here, but come on, when I admit it in the actual post in question that I disagree with what some people would say...... Oh what the hell - have fun.
Why would this be a problem?
The goal is not to act in such a way that it avoids the possibility for anyone to be offended by it. The goal is to be polite enough that most people would shrug and say, well that person is just overreacting. Linus was a long way from that balance before.
Oh sheesh. Perhaps my 30+ years of experience have been all wrong, but the easily offended crowd do not get any less offended when they are appeased.
Been there, tried it, found out that eventually the color of the office panelling and the brand of coffee at meetings was enough to set them off.
And I disagree. When the easily offended are in a group, the goal damn well does become not offending. People become too busy parsing their words that after the second second guessing, they just decide to keep their mouth shut.
Errrrr, who hurt you child?
Manshaming? That's about the most bizarre response I've ever read.
Dooood, read the last sentence in my post.
Trannies on average possess more physical strength than their biological female counterparts.
Is that a trannie tyranny?
On the contrary, I think Linus did an excellent job of explaining reality to this developer. Reality being that thing that has a funny way of not giving a shit about your feelings, and Linus not being required to cater to every developer's unwarranted self-importance.
Oh, and please don't use the term "scare quotes" if you don't know what they are. Thanks!
Read my last sentence in that post. I don't disagree with you. While it appears that I am for some reason disagreeing with what Torvalds wrote, I am writing how a precious snowflake would react. I only know because that is how one would react based on 30 some years of listening to the reactions of the precious folk.
And learning what they do to groups, we learned to get rid of them as soon as possible.
There is a certain Gestalt when professionals and scientists can get together, and hash out the goal at hand, and get in the zone. And when in the zone, not all the language or comments are sweet and mild. But no one cares. I've called people assholes, they've called me an asshole, I've called myself an asshole, and they the same.
The goal, when everyone is on the same page, is the task at hand. When the precious person takes over the group, the goal becomes not offending the precious person. They produce a drag that keeps people from the zone. Or as we say "Stupid fucking imbeciles".
I had zero problems with the old Linus. If he called me a name, I'd give it right back if appropriate, and not a boo-boo feeling would be had.
i'm hoping you're a fantastic troll, because the alternative is you actually have to live with yourself.
Some times the truth is a fantastic troll. I have worked with several people who would take a royal shit fit when - in their assessment - they were personally and professionally attacked by statements like what he wrote.
If you have never had the joy of working with a person who responds to any disagreement with them as a personal and unwarranted attack, you are very lucky indeed.
As for me, I tell people that if I stop offering feedback, that is when they have something to worry about.
He didn't swear and didn't get personal. No all caps even. Quite a change from before.
Yet there was plenty in his words to get upset about. Allow me to show you: We do *not* enable new random drivers by default. And we most *definitely* don't do it when they are odd-ball ones that most people have never heard of.
We do "not" in scare Scare quotes, and claiming what "we do not". Who is he to tell this person what "we do" or we do not do.
Odd ball drivers that most people have never heard of?
How demeaning to claim that this person who put time into writing a driver was doing something "Odd-ball" and so worthless that people didn't even know of it's existence?
Yet the new "BigBen Interactive" driver that was added this merge window did exactly that. There is it. The full monty accusation. The Judgement indeed. Just don't do it.
What is this? 1930's Germany. Who the hell does Torvalds think he is, dishing out orders like a tyrant dictator?
Yes, yes, every developer always thinks that _their_ driver is so special and so magically important that it should be enabled by default.
DO I need to even say how demeaning and dismissive this is?
But no. When we have thousands of drivers, we don't randomly pick one new driver to be enabled by default just because some developer thinks it is special. It's not.... Please don't do things like this.
Just because Torvalds put a please in there at the end does not somehow make up for his rude attacks on the other developer's work and feelings.
How do I know this sort of thing? I've heard it over "criticisms" much milder than what he wrote. Disagreement is enough to send some people into a rage. And social media shows that the first person to moan will be considered in the right.
The subtle difference between "you are a moron" and "you did something moronic".
Or the modern non-accusatory "You are acting like a moron would."
Eggshells. Walking on them.
Another modern saying that sums it all up. "Don't Judge Me!" In other words, do not criticize me at all.
I don't see how that is any more polite than before. Professional way to say the same would have been: - We have thousands of drivers so we can't enable all of them by default. This is especially true for new drivers that have not been properly tested yet and which are not known or used by a large amount of people. Please be careful about this in the future so we don't accidentally cause problems for our users.
The problem is that there are a significant number of people who would take umbrage at what you wrote. Allow me to be the worker you just said that to..... Are you accusing me of incompetence? You're saying I'm careless? You're saying that I'm trying to write bad drivers? Then that evening, social media will hear all about you being a jerk and an asshole, possibly being a "something something" bigot.
I've worked in groups who to our dismay, got one of these wonderful snowflakes on a few occasions. Eventually they have everyone walking on eggshells in order not to offend them, as the focus of the group becomes as much not upsetting the snowflake as it is performing the task at hand.
After figuring out that the snowflake simply won't take telling, I would move anyone showing signs of being too easily insulted away from us quickly, and usually they made enough trouble in most positions that the next downturn cycle they were gone.
Don't be so sure. He might not overreact, but the offense will be there.
Exactly. We live in an age where those who are offended the most easily have the power to get rid of those who offend them.
On the contrary, it just goes to show how unnecessary his over the top style was. The irritation comes through just as clearly, but without being overtly offensive and hostile.
I know more than a few people who would still take offense at those statements.
Actually, it can be given. For example, if I were to pee on you while you're sitting on a bench minding your own business, most people would reasonably say I gave offense.
Unless you want to be peed on. Rule 34.
You should never need the glasses. The laser shoots down into the bowl. You'd have to get your head under the mouth piece and look up into the lighter. It's gimmick anyway. It's not going to make it any better to smoke than a traditional lighter or better yet, a mini vape.
Looking at TFA, there are plenty of reflective surfaces to send the light into places it can do damage. So perhaps you can try getting baked with this device sans eyewear, then report back to us on how safe it is.
Using one of those Braille keyboards.
At 2W, you do need the glasses. This is a Class 4 device. Even diffuse or indirect beam viewing can burn your eyes out before your blink reflex kicks in.
I was nailed in the eye by a laser once, a few watts. It was being bounced around as someone adjusted one of the mirrors. Doctor said it was pretty miraculous that it only hit the white of one of my eyes, and I was lucky I wasn't blinded.
Worse yet, it's green. Basically the optimal (pessimal) wavelength to maximize absorption by your (disporportionately red-reflecting green-absorbing) retina.
When I read that sentence, it was very clear that you do know exactly what you are talking about.
Mods, get this post to +5 informative ASAP.
It will cut the 5 fingers of your hand, be careful!
TFS says it won't do more than sting your fingers (like a magnifying glass.)
Wonder what it does to your pets. Although them having little protective eyeglasses would be cute.
Sounds like they tested their product -- a lot, and that their business plan involves giving prospective buyers a test drive.
Sounds like April Fools day was in November this year.
So what have you assholes done lately that has changed the world?
Pissed you off, which counts for something.
Look everybody - a corporate-Progressive nazi is hurling tired insults at a world hero of Freedom.
Hey Nazi asshole - what have you ever done for the world?
Look everybody, look at the nazi shitlord! Leave him a post saying "fuck off, Nazi asshole".
Oh, sheesh. Maximus whooshification.
Protip: When someone writes that someone is a "supercilious cock-a-whoop", it is likely to the point of certainty that he's being facetious. Just sayin.
He is also fat! Well, according to european standards at least ... /me peeks his nose and looks at what he found
Oh, what did I want to say, I forgot.
A pity when the latest social justice issue is complete control of people's personalities.
The tyranny of the weakest.
Fuck off, Nazi asshole.
U mad, Bro?
Fuck Linux. Linus Torvalds is a total retard.
You forgot misogynist, misandrist, and supercilious cock-a-whoop.
Let the hate flow, I learnt the "foe" feature here 3 years into this account after an "anti-apple" comment.
Apple is a fashion choice, stop being fashists.
Strange that the article assumes that Apple users are somehow trapped on Apple products. Shall we chat about people who actually brag of how business is effectively locked into Windows?
Apple's inventions or lack of them are not the point. The point is what companies do with the inventions. Someone's gonna hate on you no matter. I'm on Linux at the moment. At home and work I have Apple and Windows. If I post anything on any of those, I'll get flamed. Meh, whateva.
Metric conjugations:
To walk To centiwalk To kilowalk
Let's run with that.