I suggested they reverse the neutron flow. But I will send them your suggestion as well.
Better make certain to dampen the tachyon transfer rate, or else the inertial damper field will collapse and create a temporal anomaly. We don't want to do that again!
Got any more irrelevant analogies to throw in there? How about the rate of internet adoption in third world countries or the rapid adoption of yoga pants?
In another fifty years, we'll have space liners going several times the speed of light, and popping to an asteroid will be like walking over the road to a corner shop.
We tend to be much better at predicting the past than the future.
It ran out of gas in the middle of no where. Eventually someone will retrieve it.... in about 50 years.
We haven't been back to the Moon in 50 years which is FAR easier to get to. Thinking we're going to be back to Ceres to retrieve a dead probe within another 50 years seems extremely improbable. I know we're all excited about what SpaceX and the rest are doing but let's pump the brakes slightly shall we?
He didn't say humans. He said someone. I don't give all that good of odds that humans will even be here in 50 years, or if they are, able to send anything to space.
Props for the abort system which apparently did its job flawlessly, but... it's a bit worrying that one bent pin on a sensor can do in the entire system.
Your sig is pretty relevant, Jared. And yes, rocketry sits at the edge of stresses where one simple wrong thing can ruin your whole day, and quickly.
Kudos to the Russians for finding and making certain the other candles are assembled properly, as well as that real time confirmation that the abort system functions well.
The scientific-industrial complex sweeps all before it. This is just more visual pollution of the environment in order to collect data that has absolutely no value to humanity, but which satisfies the peculiarly accented motivation arrays of this type of scientist.
Whoo-Hooo, we gots ourselves a live one here, with their first shot across the bow! Please don't be a Poe, please don't be a Poe.
Tell us oh wise one, how knowledge not valuable. Engage us and enlighten us.
Actually its the best location on US soil, but hey, if thats what you consider earth...
The Antarctic has some pretty major advantages (and challenges), however has a somewhat restricted view..
Tibet has a few locations that are outstanding..
The Atacama Desert and Equador have some pretty good (better than Hawaii) locations.
However this is a good location, and the people blocking it should be denied medical science, since they want to live without progress..
(Of course thats rarely the locals, they just get caught up in it, its a bunch of nothing-better-to-do whackjobs who travel around trying to block science 'because' )
Note your better locations are all in the southern hemisphere which although not technically the best, is pretty critical.
Otherwise, you are spot on. Reminds me of some of the local kooks who are against wind power, solar power, nuc power, hydropower, coal power. While using it every day. And cowtowing to them merely causes new demands to come out.
Slowing economy...could be only TRUMP blaming the fed.
Nah, alomst tw years after he left, it is of course, the Kenyan Terror baby's fault.
We should count ourselves fortunate to have elected a president who has never been wrong, and never will be.
When the hell are we going to make this approved by God who walks among us president for life, and extend all powers to his wis and faultless decisions. Wake up America!
Huh? The Foxconn plant is a boondoggle. The Calif bullet train is a boondoggle. The train is a boondoggle 10x bigger than the Foxconn boondoggle. That doesn't make the Foxconn boondoggle ok. It just shows that Calif can run with the best of them when it comes to boondoggles, and that boondoggling is a favorite feature of all political parties.
Sorry, but mentioning Whatever is happening in California has exactly zero noth8ing nada to do with Wisconsin, unless you have an agenda that somehow the California situation excuses th eWisconsin situation.
It is the fatal flaw of whataboutism. While you are trying to show that hypocracy excuses one, it merely says that both situations are okay.
Whataboutists do not get that flaw in their whataboutism.
You hesar that your chosen people do something wrong, and you cannot accept that. So instead of saying What a crock of bullshit, you decide that an attack on your enemies in California is exhonerating your good friends in Wisconsin, and since the amount in Wisconsin is less, your friends are innocent because it is less.
Illogical arguments 101, but widely accepted by a lot of people. For a while.
Usually what it takes is for the inertia crowd to start keeling over. And about all these endocrine disrupters and estrogen mimics, it will happen.
Well, that's one way to stop all this nonsense about converting algae into some "sustainable" food source. Only partly kidding there. Something has to stop the population growth, and personally I'd prefer a voluntary approach. Algae as meat, catastrophic epidemics and world population affecting disasters are not on my bucket list.
Ugh - I had once written a small piece regarding how humans could triple or quadruple our population in response to someone saying that there was plenty of land to hold people. Noting that a lot of that land is hardly habitable, and that if humanity covered all the arable land, we couldn't grow crops, his idea wouldn't work.
In it's place, we would have a massivly urban environment with perhaps the Japanese capsule hotel becoming the way all but the wealthiest live, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... and since much of the land will need to be used to house humanity, and since other animals will go away for the same reason, factory algae growing will be the norm.
Sounds like a cross between the Borg and vienna sausage packaging.
Now between you and me, I suspect we will kill ourselves off before that happens.
That's a pretty absolutist view and almost nobody fits fully into your definitions of what they should be.
Not certain who you were responding to, but my definition of a libertarian was a reductio ad absurdum. The exposure of an ideology and it's fatal flaws.
Philosophically I fit fairly well within the libertarian viewpoint but my pragmatism realizes that it can never work in the real world because too many people would be unable to make it work for them and would be left behind by such a system.
Exactly. And others will profit off those people being left behind.
I guess you can be callous enough to say tough beans and let the chips fall where they may but I'm not willing to see a society where people die because they can't afford the necessary medical treatment they need or the elderly wander the streets because they're too poor to afford a roof over their heads.
The big problem when people adopt that "tough shit cupcake" approach is that when there is a increasingly extreme imbalance of resources as has been happening, eventually those who are left out will revolt. That is a self limiting aspect.
No "ism" in its pure form will ever work because they all have inherent contradictions. Best to take the good parts from each to form a hybrid system that works somewhat for everybody.
Exactly. I'm a pragmatic. I like to take things that work. Trickle down theory will not work. Gender as a social construct will not work. Capitalism works with some brakes. Social programs work with some brakes and incentives. But there are too few of us these days.
A true libertarian should take his views that business will be alway honest if only they didn't have to adhere to anything but making money, and translate that to humanity will all be law abiding and peaceful if we only eliminate all laws
That is as extremist as pushing liberals or conservatives to their extremes.
Now, you have to play correctly and invoke No True Scotsman. Just kidding.
The point wasn't to be extreme, but perform a reductio ad absurdum. It should be obvious that a complete lack of regulations would approximate a complete lack of laws, and both result in chaos.
But don't for a minute think that there are not people who will take advantage of people who do believe that regulations are bad for their own and possibly corrupt goals.
But name me a regulation, and I can find a lot of people that think it is bad.
Therein lies the rub. Because at some point, the lack of regulation becomes a regulation.
Let's take one you likely hate. Businesses are not allowed to discriminate based on things like race, creed, sexual preference and some other stuff. That is a regulation. You can't refuse to rent an apartment because someone is a Southern Baptist, and you don't like Southern baptists.
Now let's take something like firearms. You are not allowed to prevent someone showing up at a gun show and selling AR-15's out of he trunk of his car. or not sell a person a weapon because of mental status (this isn't pro or con, merely showing how lack of regulation can be regulation)
Confusing? Oh hell yeah. This is the shit that humans do.
Libertarian ideology is a malign influence that promises people get to do what they want to others without blowback. It was made-for-hire by the Evangelicals who figure they can take their wealth with them when they go to the Great Litter Box in the Sky.
The problem with libertarian ideology is like all 'ologys, it has a fatal flaw. In the case of Libertarians, the flaw is that all people are inherently honest, and will not take advantage of others.
We'll ignore for a moment the unholy cognitive dissonance in how they manage to take greed and try to marry it to libertarianism.
But that greed underpinning of capitalism is a good example of Libertarianism's fatal flaw.
It is undeniable that greed exists, we all have some. But there are some who are endowed with greed to a pathological level. People have killed for greed. and as a driver for capitalism, unfettered extreme greed plus drive plus little to no constraints makes for hellava mess.
We are already in a corporatism run country. The same people who run the country already tell us that they cannot run the country with the regulations w have now.
Any 'ism needs some brakes to keep it from destroying itself. Capitalism can work pretty well if it has enough constraints to keep it from turning into fascism. Once that happens, its popcorn time, as the self destruct sequence starts.
A true libertarian believes that all people have the right to life, liberty and happiness, freedom of choice, and voluntary association.
Ah the old "no true libertarian" fallacy. It's also bullshit because you're tying up the notion of "libertarian" to the imagined political system of one particular country.
Well to be precise, in the discussion, the part that I wrote was was a reductio ad absurdum. His was the NTL response.
A lot of people. A lot of people in here. I have some books by Libertarians who not only believe that there should be no regulations, but that businesses be exempt from any and all taxation
Government graft is dependent on the ability to have pull or some other control over others.
Siddown and listen. Remember this word. People
Government is not inherently corrupt. Business is not inherently corrupt. But a lot of people sure are.
There will be a ruling entity. Not possible to get away from that unless you maybe move to Alaska and live in the woods there.
At present, the ruling class in America is corporations. The government is corporatism. And the corporations provide the baksheesh, and their puppeticians do their bidding.
So considering that we are halfway to your ideal society we should see s large drop in corruption. But we don't. And since the puppeticians can now take dark money from out of the country, and since corporations are considered people, I find it difficult to give a lot of credence to your idea that regulations have created the corruption.
No, it isn't regulations and laws that create graft and corruption. It is the sociopathic and criminal tendencies of many humans. And they can work in wither guvmint or corporations.
> Strawmen convention much? Linux is a Unixy OS MacOS is Unix.
That's utter bullshit. What spec that MacOS conforms to is far too restricted and low level to be of any practical value.
MacOS is Unix certified. You might not like that but first read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... , then go argue with the people who certified it.
Macs underneath are alien to anyone that's worked with real Unixen. Far more alien than Linux.
Funny, but the Unix people I deal with have no problem that you claim exists. And if you are so pissed that MaxOS is Unix certified, then why don't you work to decertify it.
What you are doing is making a stereotyped meme of Mac Users. Whatever, but Bullshit it aint.
The politicians actually cutting budgets and slashing regulation are the ones crippling the opportunities for graft...
Ahh, the Librettarian shows up. You really need to name thes great politicians who have created honest via elimination of laws.
And that isn't too far off either. A true libertarian should take his views that business will be alway honest if only they didn't have to adhere to anything but making money, and translate that to humanity will all be law abiding and peaceful if we only eliminate all laws.
It is the exact same thing
And you will deny it - probably get pissed and start swearing at me like most libertarians do , but here's the proof.
Businesses are composed of people. So is the populous. If a business will always act ethically if only it has no constraints, the people will also always act ethically if they have no retraints on their activities.
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I bought a computer off a guy on facebook, it wasn't as advertised, and he ghosted me. Cany y'all hackers help?
We need a metric language. Those stupid English users and their imperial language is so last year.
He didn't say humans. He said someone.
Umm, if it isn't humans then who exactly?
Whoosh.
I suggested they reverse the neutron flow. But I will send them your suggestion as well.
Better make certain to dampen the tachyon transfer rate, or else the inertial damper field will collapse and create a temporal anomaly. We don't want to do that again!
Got any more irrelevant analogies to throw in there? How about the rate of internet adoption in third world countries or the rapid adoption of yoga pants?
Yoga pants? Now there's an idea I can get behind.
In another fifty years, we'll have space liners going several times the speed of light, and popping to an asteroid will be like walking over the road to a corner shop.
We tend to be much better at predicting the past than the future.
It ran out of gas in the middle of no where. Eventually someone will retrieve it.... in about 50 years.
We haven't been back to the Moon in 50 years which is FAR easier to get to. Thinking we're going to be back to Ceres to retrieve a dead probe within another 50 years seems extremely improbable. I know we're all excited about what SpaceX and the rest are doing but let's pump the brakes slightly shall we?
He didn't say humans. He said someone. I don't give all that good of odds that humans will even be here in 50 years, or if they are, able to send anything to space.
Twit. What would be the point of impeaching a space probe that's run out of fuel? Do you suspect that it sold the fuel to Jovian insurgents?
I just know the Cardassians are behind this!
Or is that the Kardashians?
Props for the abort system which apparently did its job flawlessly, but... it's a bit worrying that one bent pin on a sensor can do in the entire system.
Your sig is pretty relevant, Jared. And yes, rocketry sits at the edge of stresses where one simple wrong thing can ruin your whole day, and quickly.
Kudos to the Russians for finding and making certain the other candles are assembled properly, as well as that real time confirmation that the abort system functions well.
I too enjoy Manley's Youtube channel
It's fucking kowtowing. Maybe it was just a typo, or maybe you didn't know. Now you do.
Won't anyone think of the cows we need to tow?
The scientific-industrial complex sweeps all before it. This is just more visual pollution of the environment in order to collect data that has absolutely no value to humanity, but which satisfies the peculiarly accented motivation arrays of this type of scientist.
Whoo-Hooo, we gots ourselves a live one here, with their first shot across the bow! Please don't be a Poe, please don't be a Poe.
Tell us oh wise one, how knowledge not valuable. Engage us and enlighten us.
Actually its the best location on US soil, but hey, if thats what you consider earth...
The Antarctic has some pretty major advantages (and challenges), however has a somewhat restricted view.. Tibet has a few locations that are outstanding.. The Atacama Desert and Equador have some pretty good (better than Hawaii) locations.
However this is a good location, and the people blocking it should be denied medical science, since they want to live without progress.. (Of course thats rarely the locals, they just get caught up in it, its a bunch of nothing-better-to-do whackjobs who travel around trying to block science 'because' )
Note your better locations are all in the southern hemisphere which although not technically the best, is pretty critical.
Otherwise, you are spot on. Reminds me of some of the local kooks who are against wind power, solar power, nuc power, hydropower, coal power. While using it every day. And cowtowing to them merely causes new demands to come out.
Hawaiians will also be included in other direct benefits from the TMT
What benefits will they gain from a big telescope being nearby?
Perhaps a more interesting question is what problems will they have?
Oh yeah - none. Meanwhile, they should consider collaborating with the KKK. They are racist brothers at heart.
Slowing economy...could be only TRUMP blaming the fed.
Nah, alomst tw years after he left, it is of course, the Kenyan Terror baby's fault.
We should count ourselves fortunate to have elected a president who has never been wrong, and never will be.
When the hell are we going to make this approved by God who walks among us president for life, and extend all powers to his wis and faultless decisions. Wake up America!
Huh? The Foxconn plant is a boondoggle. The Calif bullet train is a boondoggle. The train is a boondoggle 10x bigger than the Foxconn boondoggle. That doesn't make the Foxconn boondoggle ok. It just shows that Calif can run with the best of them when it comes to boondoggles, and that boondoggling is a favorite feature of all political parties.
Sorry, but mentioning Whatever is happening in California has exactly zero noth8ing nada to do with Wisconsin, unless you have an agenda that somehow the California situation excuses th eWisconsin situation.
It is the fatal flaw of whataboutism. While you are trying to show that hypocracy excuses one, it merely says that both situations are okay.
Whataboutists do not get that flaw in their whataboutism.
You hesar that your chosen people do something wrong, and you cannot accept that. So instead of saying What a crock of bullshit, you decide that an attack on your enemies in California is exhonerating your good friends in Wisconsin, and since the amount in Wisconsin is less, your friends are innocent because it is less.
Illogical arguments 101, but widely accepted by a lot of people. For a while.
Usually what it takes is for the inertia crowd to start keeling over. And about all these endocrine disrupters and estrogen mimics, it will happen.
Well, that's one way to stop all this nonsense about converting algae into some "sustainable" food source. Only partly kidding there. Something has to stop the population growth, and personally I'd prefer a voluntary approach. Algae as meat, catastrophic epidemics and world population affecting disasters are not on my bucket list.
Ugh - I had once written a small piece regarding how humans could triple or quadruple our population in response to someone saying that there was plenty of land to hold people. Noting that a lot of that land is hardly habitable, and that if humanity covered all the arable land, we couldn't grow crops, his idea wouldn't work.
In it's place, we would have a massivly urban environment with perhaps the Japanese capsule hotel becoming the way all but the wealthiest live, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... and since much of the land will need to be used to house humanity, and since other animals will go away for the same reason, factory algae growing will be the norm.
Sounds like a cross between the Borg and vienna sausage packaging.
Now between you and me, I suspect we will kill ourselves off before that happens.
I thought I was responding to Notabadguy up above but I may have messed up and posted under you. If so, sorry.
No problem, I'm enjoying this whole discussion.
That's a pretty absolutist view and almost nobody fits fully into your definitions of what they should be.
Not certain who you were responding to, but my definition of a libertarian was a reductio ad absurdum. The exposure of an ideology and it's fatal flaws.
Philosophically I fit fairly well within the libertarian viewpoint but my pragmatism realizes that it can never work in the real world because too many people would be unable to make it work for them and would be left behind by such a system.
Exactly. And others will profit off those people being left behind.
I guess you can be callous enough to say tough beans and let the chips fall where they may but I'm not willing to see a society where people die because they can't afford the necessary medical treatment they need or the elderly wander the streets because they're too poor to afford a roof over their heads.
The big problem when people adopt that "tough shit cupcake" approach is that when there is a increasingly extreme imbalance of resources as has been happening, eventually those who are left out will revolt. That is a self limiting aspect.
No "ism" in its pure form will ever work because they all have inherent contradictions. Best to take the good parts from each to form a hybrid system that works somewhat for everybody.
Exactly. I'm a pragmatic. I like to take things that work. Trickle down theory will not work. Gender as a social construct will not work. Capitalism works with some brakes. Social programs work with some brakes and incentives. But there are too few of us these days.
A true libertarian should take his views that business will be alway honest if only they didn't have to adhere to anything but making money, and translate that to humanity will all be law abiding and peaceful if we only eliminate all laws
That is as extremist as pushing liberals or conservatives to their extremes.
Now, you have to play correctly and invoke No True Scotsman. Just kidding.
The point wasn't to be extreme, but perform a reductio ad absurdum. It should be obvious that a complete lack of regulations would approximate a complete lack of laws, and both result in chaos.
But don't for a minute think that there are not people who will take advantage of people who do believe that regulations are bad for their own and possibly corrupt goals.
But name me a regulation, and I can find a lot of people that think it is bad.
Therein lies the rub. Because at some point, the lack of regulation becomes a regulation.
Let's take one you likely hate. Businesses are not allowed to discriminate based on things like race, creed, sexual preference and some other stuff. That is a regulation. You can't refuse to rent an apartment because someone is a Southern Baptist, and you don't like Southern baptists.
Now let's take something like firearms. You are not allowed to prevent someone showing up at a gun show and selling AR-15's out of he trunk of his car. or not sell a person a weapon because of mental status (this isn't pro or con, merely showing how lack of regulation can be regulation)
Confusing? Oh hell yeah. This is the shit that humans do.
Libertarian ideology is a malign influence that promises people get to do what they want to others without blowback. It was made-for-hire by the Evangelicals who figure they can take their wealth with them when they go to the Great Litter Box in the Sky.
The problem with libertarian ideology is like all 'ologys, it has a fatal flaw. In the case of Libertarians, the flaw is that all people are inherently honest, and will not take advantage of others.
We'll ignore for a moment the unholy cognitive dissonance in how they manage to take greed and try to marry it to libertarianism.
But that greed underpinning of capitalism is a good example of Libertarianism's fatal flaw.
It is undeniable that greed exists, we all have some. But there are some who are endowed with greed to a pathological level. People have killed for greed. and as a driver for capitalism, unfettered extreme greed plus drive plus little to no constraints makes for hellava mess.
We are already in a corporatism run country. The same people who run the country already tell us that they cannot run the country with the regulations w have now.
Any 'ism needs some brakes to keep it from destroying itself. Capitalism can work pretty well if it has enough constraints to keep it from turning into fascism. Once that happens, its popcorn time, as the self destruct sequence starts.
A true libertarian believes that all people have the right to life, liberty and happiness, freedom of choice, and voluntary association.
Ah the old "no true libertarian" fallacy. It's also bullshit because you're tying up the notion of "libertarian" to the imagined political system of one particular country.
Well to be precise, in the discussion, the part that I wrote was was a reductio ad absurdum. His was the NTL response.
Who wants no constraints on business?
A lot of people. A lot of people in here. I have some books by Libertarians who not only believe that there should be no regulations, but that businesses be exempt from any and all taxation
Government graft is dependent on the ability to have pull or some other control over others.
Siddown and listen. Remember this word. People
Government is not inherently corrupt. Business is not inherently corrupt. But a lot of people sure are.
There will be a ruling entity. Not possible to get away from that unless you maybe move to Alaska and live in the woods there.
At present, the ruling class in America is corporations. The government is corporatism. And the corporations provide the baksheesh, and their puppeticians do their bidding.
So considering that we are halfway to your ideal society we should see s large drop in corruption. But we don't. And since the puppeticians can now take dark money from out of the country, and since corporations are considered people, I find it difficult to give a lot of credence to your idea that regulations have created the corruption.
No, it isn't regulations and laws that create graft and corruption. It is the sociopathic and criminal tendencies of many humans. And they can work in wither guvmint or corporations.
> Strawmen convention much? Linux is a Unixy OS MacOS is Unix.
That's utter bullshit. What spec that MacOS conforms to is far too restricted and low level to be of any practical value.
MacOS is Unix certified. You might not like that but first read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... , then go argue with the people who certified it.
Macs underneath are alien to anyone that's worked with real Unixen. Far more alien than Linux.
Funny, but the Unix people I deal with have no problem that you claim exists. And if you are so pissed that MaxOS is Unix certified, then why don't you work to decertify it.
What you are doing is making a stereotyped meme of Mac Users. Whatever, but Bullshit it aint.
The politicians actually cutting budgets and slashing regulation are the ones crippling the opportunities for graft...
Ahh, the Librettarian shows up. You really need to name thes great politicians who have created honest via elimination of laws.
And that isn't too far off either. A true libertarian should take his views that business will be alway honest if only they didn't have to adhere to anything but making money, and translate that to humanity will all be law abiding and peaceful if we only eliminate all laws.
It is the exact same thing
And you will deny it - probably get pissed and start swearing at me like most libertarians do , but here's the proof.
Businesses are composed of people. So is the populous. If a business will always act ethically if only it has no constraints, the people will also always act ethically if they have no retraints on their activities.
The left (especially the party leadership for the Democrats) are acting more and more like they're building an extremist cult.
Says the guy who approves of the party of the MagaBomber.