Now, if the proxies included encrypted lists of alternates as part of their protocols, then clients could transparently surf the net even when the government blocked a particular proxy.
Ease up there Tex... "Make something even a fool can use and only a fool will use it." (Yeah I realize it doesn't work in the literal.)
In other words, don't think that all this censorship is only passive. You can count on there being someone who activeley looks for stuff to block, kinda like the various porn filter software companies, only with different motives.
If you make it too easy to find, the wrong people will find it and you will nullify your own efforts. Rememer, WE are the subversives, here...;-]
TangoChaz
TangoChaz
"It's not enough to be on the right track -- you have to be moving faster than the train." -- Rod Davis, Editor of Seahorse Mag.
I'm sure the chinese will discover really powerful encryption and hide their plans to overthrow the government in recipes, its just a matter of time.
No not really. The power of the encryption is almost irrelevant, unless the PRC allows weak encryption to take place so they can monitor supposedly secret communication. With a little intelligent study of the traffic, it would still be easy [well, feasable] to identify encrypted communications as being encrypted, and block them entirely.
And whether or not that works, it would be possible to identify the individuals who are using encrypted technology and deal with them in a more direct method...
TangoChaz
TangoChaz
"It's not enough to be on the right track -- you have to be moving faster than the train." -- Rod Davis, Editor of Seahorse Mag.
I have had at least three occasions to chat with individuals in Taiwan. I thought I'd take the opportunity to find out what changes had taken place. The conversations were very short...
Every time I used the terms ROC or China, that individual seemed to get disconnected before they could reply.
My experience with US government has lead me to uderestimate the savvy-ness of the individuals controlling the filters, but it appears that the ROC doesn't share that attribute.
I wonder if PGP could make it through?
Tangochaz
TangoChaz
"It's not enough to be on the right track -- you have to be moving faster than the train." -- Rod Davis, Editor of Seahorse Mag.
Whatever/.-ers may think of themselves, they're still a fairly insignificant bump on the Consumer-o-meter.
'K, I'll buy that. So what are we gonna do about it? Since I'm really good at drawing analogies, I'll go first.;-)
I say we take a lesson from current stock market trends, and focus on the B2B side of things. Business to Business naturally gets clout, if for no other reason than the sheer [potential] volumes, so we should focus on "evangelizing" our open source cause not only to the manufacturers but to the real people making those big decisions. "...and the xyz123 chipset boards are $563/thousand? Well, okay. No, no specials, I've got two crates full of computer guts here on my desk to remind me to get adapters with open-source drivers."
Hey, it could happen... Squeaky wheel and all that.
Tangochaz
-------------------- "It is better to have a permanent income than to be fascinating." -- Oscar Wilde
TangoChaz
"It's not enough to be on the right track -- you have to be moving faster than the train." -- Rod Davis, Editor of Seahorse Mag.
The growing number of users of the Linux other Open Source operating systems is growing. No longer can the hardware providers ignore the consumer demand for hardware support on diverse platforms.
Actually the prognosis even better than that. True, in the sort run xf86v4 might lead to a slight an open-source drought, but it's the cost of migrating in new manufacturers.
However, the far-sighted hardware manufacturers don't want to get stuck in a business model that's going to put them out of business - they can see the writing on the wall: in the not-too-distant future Linux is destined to become an end-user consumer-oriented operating system.
While these future users may not know Open Source from open sores, the people building or selecting these systems (including some of us) will be able to "vote" with our customers dollars. That's a lot of constituents to beat closed-source manufacturers over the head with -- to the benefit of all operating systems.
TangoChaz
-------------------- "It's not enough to be on the right track -- you have to be moving faster than the train." -- Rod Davis, Editor of Seahorse Magazine
TangoChaz
"It's not enough to be on the right track -- you have to be moving faster than the train." -- Rod Davis, Editor of Seahorse Mag.
6) dont make everything dynamic just because you can
Here's something that may save you a lot of grief for any page that doesn't change minute-to-minute:
Because you need built-in scalability, you might consider dynamic authoring of "static" pages. It will, of course require more front end engineering (perl, etc.), but the result takes most of the processing out of the hit rate equation.
This can be taken a step further by automating the authoring process from an updated database.
More NRE, less maintinence...
Tangochaz
-------------------- Education has produced a vast population able to read but unable to distinguish what is worth reading. -- George Macaulay Trevelyan
TangoChaz
"It's not enough to be on the right track -- you have to be moving faster than the train." -- Rod Davis, Editor of Seahorse Mag.
Jeez, allowing reserved trademarks is fair. Allowing unlimited so-called "vanity" (personal use) domain names is also fair. Quit arguing!
The solution is to just petition for a TLD that is reserved ONLY for vanity domain names.
Call it.VIP or something similar and have it reserved exclusively for non-commmercial and non-organizational use.
That should make everybody happy.
Tangochaz
-------------------- "It's not enough to be on the right track -- you have to be moving faster than the train." -- Rod Davis, Editor of Seahorse Magazine
TangoChaz
"It's not enough to be on the right track -- you have to be moving faster than the train." -- Rod Davis, Editor of Seahorse Mag.
MS wants to re-invent another concept, fine. And some people will actually believe them. Whoop-dee-do, what's new. I'm reminded of that all-too-common question asked not so many years ago that sounded something like (gak) "Did AOL invent the Internet?" (Oh, you didn't have to listen to that one? Yer lucky.) This will be similar.
My problem lies in the fact that MS is guaranteed to screw this little algorithm up, or make it too easy to be screwed up by users, just like so many other things, and as usual, we're going to be stuck cleaning up their mess on a daily basis. GRRRR...
Here's a crazy idea: perhaps we could all take a lesson from Apple, or MS for that matter, and get UNIX made a high-school math requirement or something. By the time it makes a difference, the would-be Geeks won't even need to know MS exists, and the rest will have Eazel and other super-GUI's to use...
-------------------- Experience is a wonderful thing. It enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again.
TangoChaz
"It's not enough to be on the right track -- you have to be moving faster than the train." -- Rod Davis, Editor of Seahorse Mag.
Oh come off it, that's just paranoid, What reason do they have to break a utility like that - and what mechanism do they have for keeping it broken?
Wake up and smell the legal ink, Microserf.
Can you say Caldera? Not to mention the thousands (no I'm not exaggerating) of developers squashed by M$'s little "Microsoft Developer Status" scam. I knew people put out of business by that back in 1992...
Oh, that's right, you wouldn't have heard of that. Suppose you were a struggling small time developer with a really good idea, trying to write software to run on, say Win 3.1. But it (windows) so dammed quirky that the only way to vaguely garuntee that it will operate properly is to enlist this service that M$ is offering to test the software. They get a whiff, come swooping in saying they like it, and want to make sure it will be available for their OS and sign you up as a MS developer, perhaps even providing some funding. A year later the funding dries up and -poof- this MS brand lookalike product hits the market. You try to sue but the judge throws it out of court because you have a paid contract as a MS Developer...
Obviously this is over-simplified, and there may be much more to it, but this is essentially true.
Instead of [ridiculing|humiliating|abusing] them, you educate them!
Education can be a tricky thing...
Typical: (ring, ring) "Hello?" "Uh, hello, did you know that you guys made the top 2000 list for security?" "Whatever" (click)
Better: (ring, ring) "Hello?" "Yes, this is Joe Reporter with the State Post Examiner, we were wondering if you'd like to comment for our article on Netscan.org listing your ISP's security as being one of the worst on the internet?" "No, that's been fixed." (click) "Grab that server and call Tom and wake him up if you have to, we've gotta get this fixed before the boss hears about this! Let's see, NetScan.org?"
...perhaps?
TC
-------------------- "Tact is the art of letting the other guy have your way."
Rocket fuel and explosives are VERY different things
Yes and no. What is desired is the deflagration of medium explosives (a very fast burn), but as one of NASA's suppliers demonstrated, that difference can be simply the difference of the agent you suspend it in - including, but not limited to plasicizers, without changing the chemical composition.
I don't remember where it happened, but following the Challenger disaster, the shuttle program gound to a halt for more than two years, while the whole thing was sorted out. Meanwhile, the solid fuel propellants were still being produced, and were building up at the manufacturing plant. Sure enough, a fire started, and the last employees to leave the scene barely survived the first detonation. Had it deflagrated, the heat output would have most likely incinerated them.
As if it wasn't bad enough having my buying habits tracked and my mailbox stuffed, electronic or otherwise. (I've been getting AARP stuff since before I could drink...)
Don't get me wrong, I'm a technofile, it's just the application of the technology that I have a problem with...
I guess if some shmuck locks me in my own trunk, they can trace my call and find me. Then again, if I'm not female, said shumck would just kill me first and save the trouble.
Now, if I could turn this off and on like a transponder, or better yet, have some type of digital connection similar to TCP where my phone can refuse requests from unauthorized trackers, then THAT would be good. Quick, somebody write a standard!
TC
---------- Damm glad I don't live in Australia right now.
---------- "Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Those who do learn from history are doomed to hear it repeated over and over and over..."
I'm as sick of Microsoft as the next guy, but I have something positive to say...
It seems to me that MSNBC is at least attempting to act like a legitimate news agency. Perhaps it isn't just irony but perhaps a shade of genuine journalistic integrity that is driving their conduct?
Hey, if Microsoft can beta test on the general populous, why can't the rest of us?
TC
----- "The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four Americans is suffering from some form of mental illness. Think of your three best friends. If they are okay, then it's you." --Rita Mae Brown
I pay $10 bucks for a flu shot every year, and it's more than worth it to me. And if it wasn't worth it to me, it might be worth it to my employer. After all, you can't get out of Jury Duty for finantial hardship, but you can if it's your employer's finantial hardship...
TC
----- "Why is it that when we talk to God we're said to be praying, but when God talks to us we're schizophrenic?" --Lily Tomlin
I've always wanted to know who's idea was it to send a craft with a maximum surviveable tilt tolerance of what, +/- 22 degrees(?) into an area filled with canyons? Didn't ANYBODY notice that? Not to mention the fact that in the weaker Martian gravity it's much more likley for the terrain (or mart-rain?) surfaces to have more extreme angles, thus enhancing the hazard.
I realize that this canyon area is what they were interested in, but then shouldn't this particualr craft have been designed differently?
This sounds like some pretty poor risk management to me.
Slashdot Mirror
Nope, the person who invented it will get arrested for creating technology that allows unauthorized duplication of copyrighted material...
TangoChaz
"It's not enough to be on the right track -- you have to be moving faster than the train." -- Rod Davis, Editor of Seahorse Mag.
Actually it's Chernobyl...
Chernobyl is Russian for Wormwood.
TangoChaz
"It's not enough to be on the right track -- you have to be moving faster than the train." -- Rod Davis, Editor of Seahorse Mag.
Heavens-Above public agent for German Space Operations Centre
TangoChaz
"It's not enough to be on the right track -- you have to be moving faster than the train." -- Rod Davis, Editor of Seahorse Mag.
Now, if the proxies included encrypted lists of alternates as part of their protocols, then clients could transparently surf the net even when the government blocked a particular proxy.
;-]
Ease up there Tex... "Make something even a fool can use and only a fool will use it." (Yeah I realize it doesn't work in the literal.)
In other words, don't think that all this censorship is only passive. You can count on there being someone who activeley looks for stuff to block, kinda like the various porn filter software companies, only with different motives.
If you make it too easy to find, the wrong people will find it and you will nullify your own efforts. Rememer, WE are the subversives, here...
TangoChaz
TangoChaz
"It's not enough to be on the right track -- you have to be moving faster than the train." -- Rod Davis, Editor of Seahorse Mag.
HEY!
Moderate that up - it's on-topic, informative and relevant!
TangoChaz
"It's not enough to be on the right track -- you have to be moving faster than the train." -- Rod Davis, Editor of Seahorse Mag.
I'm sure the chinese will discover really powerful encryption and hide their plans to overthrow the government in recipes, its just a matter of time.
No not really. The power of the encryption is almost irrelevant, unless the PRC allows weak encryption to take place so they can monitor supposedly secret communication. With a little intelligent study of the traffic, it would still be easy [well, feasable] to identify encrypted communications as being encrypted, and block them entirely.
And whether or not that works, it would be possible to identify the individuals who are using encrypted technology and deal with them in a more direct method...
TangoChaz
TangoChaz
"It's not enough to be on the right track -- you have to be moving faster than the train." -- Rod Davis, Editor of Seahorse Mag.
Arrgh, I meant to say Hong Kong, not Taiwan...
Gotta hit that Preview button...
TangoChaz
"It's not enough to be on the right track -- you have to be moving faster than the train." -- Rod Davis, Editor of Seahorse Mag.
I have had at least three occasions to chat with individuals in Taiwan. I thought I'd take the opportunity to find out what changes had taken place. The conversations were very short...
Every time I used the terms ROC or China, that individual seemed to get disconnected before they could reply.
My experience with US government has lead me to uderestimate the savvy-ness of the individuals controlling the filters, but it appears that the ROC doesn't share that attribute.
I wonder if PGP could make it through?
Tangochaz
TangoChaz
"It's not enough to be on the right track -- you have to be moving faster than the train." -- Rod Davis, Editor of Seahorse Mag.
'K, I'll buy that. So what are we gonna do about it? Since I'm really good at drawing analogies, I'll go first. ;-)
I say we take a lesson from current stock market trends, and focus on the B2B side of things. Business to Business naturally gets clout, if for no other reason than the sheer [potential] volumes, so we should focus on "evangelizing" our open source cause not only to the manufacturers but to the real people making those big decisions. "...and the xyz123 chipset boards are $563/thousand? Well, okay. No, no specials, I've got two crates full of computer guts here on my desk to remind me to get adapters with open-source drivers."
Hey, it could happen... Squeaky wheel and all that.
Tangochaz
--------------------
"It is better to have a permanent income than to be fascinating." -- Oscar Wilde
TangoChaz
"It's not enough to be on the right track -- you have to be moving faster than the train." -- Rod Davis, Editor of Seahorse Mag.
Ugh. Moderate that down please...
TangoChaz
"It's not enough to be on the right track -- you have to be moving faster than the train." -- Rod Davis, Editor of Seahorse Mag.
The growing number of users of the Linux other Open Source operating systems is growing. No longer can the hardware providers ignore the consumer demand for hardware support on diverse platforms.
Actually the prognosis even better than that. True, in the sort run xf86v4 might lead to a slight an open-source drought, but it's the cost of migrating in new manufacturers.
However, the far-sighted hardware manufacturers don't want to get stuck in a business model that's going to put them out of business - they can see the writing on the wall: in the not-too-distant future Linux is destined to become an end-user consumer-oriented operating system.
While these future users may not know Open Source from open sores, the people building or selecting these systems (including some of us) will be able to "vote" with our customers dollars. That's a lot of constituents to beat closed-source manufacturers over the head with -- to the benefit of all operating systems.
TangoChaz
--------------------
"It's not enough to be on the right track -- you have to be moving faster than the train." -- Rod Davis, Editor of Seahorse Magazine
TangoChaz
"It's not enough to be on the right track -- you have to be moving faster than the train." -- Rod Davis, Editor of Seahorse Mag.
6) dont make everything dynamic just because you can
Here's something that may save you a lot of grief for any page that doesn't change minute-to-minute:
Because you need built-in scalability, you might consider dynamic authoring of "static" pages. It will, of course require more front end engineering (perl, etc.), but the result takes most of the processing out of the hit rate equation.
This can be taken a step further by automating the authoring process from an updated database.
More NRE, less maintinence...
Tangochaz
--------------------
Education has produced a vast population able to read but unable to distinguish what is worth reading. -- George Macaulay Trevelyan
TangoChaz
"It's not enough to be on the right track -- you have to be moving faster than the train." -- Rod Davis, Editor of Seahorse Mag.
Jeez, allowing reserved trademarks is fair. Allowing unlimited so-called "vanity" (personal use) domain names is also fair. Quit arguing!
.VIP or something similar and have it reserved exclusively for non-commmercial and non-organizational use.
The solution is to just petition for a TLD that is reserved ONLY for vanity domain names.
Call it
That should make everybody happy.
Tangochaz
--------------------
"It's not enough to be on the right track -- you have to be moving faster than the train."
-- Rod Davis, Editor of Seahorse Magazine
TangoChaz
"It's not enough to be on the right track -- you have to be moving faster than the train." -- Rod Davis, Editor of Seahorse Mag.
MS wants to re-invent another concept, fine. And some people will actually believe them. Whoop-dee-do, what's new. I'm reminded of that all-too-common question asked not so many years ago that sounded something like (gak) "Did AOL invent the Internet?" (Oh, you didn't have to listen to that one? Yer lucky.) This will be similar.
My problem lies in the fact that MS is guaranteed to screw this little algorithm up, or make it too easy to be screwed up by users, just like so many other things, and as usual, we're going to be stuck cleaning up their mess on a daily basis. GRRRR...
Here's a crazy idea: perhaps we could all take a lesson from Apple, or MS for that matter, and get UNIX made a high-school math requirement or something. By the time it makes a difference, the would-be Geeks won't even need to know MS exists, and the rest will have Eazel and other super-GUI's to use...
--------------------
Experience is a wonderful thing. It enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again.
TangoChaz
"It's not enough to be on the right track -- you have to be moving faster than the train." -- Rod Davis, Editor of Seahorse Mag.
Oh come off it, that's just paranoid, What reason do they have to break a utility like that - and what mechanism do they have for keeping it broken?
Wake up and smell the legal ink, Microserf.
Can you say Caldera? Not to mention the thousands (no I'm not exaggerating) of developers squashed by M$'s little "Microsoft Developer Status" scam. I knew people put out of business by that back in 1992...
Oh, that's right, you wouldn't have heard of that. Suppose you were a struggling small time developer with a really good idea, trying to write software to run on, say Win 3.1. But it (windows) so dammed quirky that the only way to vaguely garuntee that it will operate properly is to enlist this service that M$ is offering to test the software. They get a whiff, come swooping in saying they like it, and want to make sure it will be available for their OS and sign you up as a MS developer, perhaps even providing some funding. A year later the funding dries up and -poof- this MS brand lookalike product hits the market. You try to sue but the judge throws it out of court because you have a paid contract as a MS Developer...
Obviously this is over-simplified, and there may be much more to it, but this is essentially true.
TC
Instead of [ridiculing|humiliating|abusing] them, you educate them!
...perhaps?
Education can be a tricky thing...
Typical:
(ring, ring) "Hello?"
"Uh, hello, did you know that you guys made the top 2000 list for security?"
"Whatever" (click)
Better:
(ring, ring) "Hello?"
"Yes, this is Joe Reporter with the State Post Examiner, we were wondering if you'd like to comment for our article on Netscan.org listing your ISP's security as being one of the worst on the internet?"
"No, that's been fixed." (click) "Grab that server and call Tom and wake him up if you have to, we've gotta get this fixed before the boss hears about this! Let's see, NetScan.org?"
TC
--------------------
"Tact is the art of letting the other guy have your way."
Rocket fuel and explosives are VERY different things
Yes and no. What is desired is the deflagration of medium explosives (a very fast burn), but as one of NASA's suppliers demonstrated, that difference can be simply the difference of the agent you suspend it in - including, but not limited to plasicizers, without changing the chemical composition.
I don't remember where it happened, but following the Challenger disaster, the shuttle program gound to a halt for more than two years, while the whole thing was sorted out. Meanwhile, the solid fuel propellants were still being produced, and were building up at the manufacturing plant. Sure enough, a fire started, and the last employees to leave the scene barely survived the first detonation. Had it deflagrated, the heat output would have most likely incinerated them.
TC
As if it wasn't bad enough having my buying habits tracked and my mailbox stuffed, electronic or otherwise. (I've been getting AARP stuff since before I could drink...)
Don't get me wrong, I'm a technofile, it's just the application of the technology that I have a problem with...
I guess if some shmuck locks me in my own trunk, they can trace my call and find me. Then again, if I'm not female, said shumck would just kill me first and save the trouble.
Now, if I could turn this off and on like a transponder, or better yet, have some type of digital connection similar to TCP where my phone can refuse requests from unauthorized trackers, then THAT would be good. Quick, somebody write a standard!
TC
----------
Damm glad I don't live in Australia right now.
Now they're suing over the same arcitecture? Hmmmm.
TC
----------
Looking for HAL, found Bender...
Hell, why not? That's exactly what most liquid fueled rockets do, including the Space Shuttle.
...I got a rocket in my pocket.
TC
----------
"Oh, tentacles. Big difference."
Here 's my search results.
TC
----------
"Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Those who do learn from history are doomed to hear it repeated over and over and over..."
I'm as sick of Microsoft as the next guy, but I have something positive to say...
It seems to me that MSNBC is at least attempting to act like a legitimate news agency. Perhaps it isn't just irony but perhaps a shade of genuine journalistic integrity that is driving their conduct?
(Bombs away)
TC
Hey, if Microsoft can beta test on the general populous, why can't the rest of us?
TC
-----
"The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four Americans is suffering from some form of mental illness. Think of your three best friends. If they are okay, then it's you." --Rita Mae Brown
I pay $10 bucks for a flu shot every year, and it's more than worth it to me. And if it wasn't worth it to me, it might be worth it to my employer. After all, you can't get out of Jury Duty for finantial hardship, but you can if it's your employer's finantial hardship...
TC
-----
"Why is it that when we talk to God we're said to be praying, but when God talks to us we're schizophrenic?" --Lily Tomlin
I've always wanted to know who's idea was it to send a craft with a maximum surviveable tilt tolerance of what, +/- 22 degrees(?) into an area filled with canyons? Didn't ANYBODY notice that? Not to mention the fact that in the weaker Martian gravity it's much more likley for the terrain (or mart-rain?) surfaces to have more extreme angles, thus enhancing the hazard.
I realize that this canyon area is what they were interested in, but then shouldn't this particualr craft have been designed differently?
This sounds like some pretty poor risk management to me.
TC