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Scotch Tape Storage
Hoss Man writes "It seems like a few techno-heads out there have figured out how to make a 10Gig harddrive out of a roll of Scotch Tape. It would be cooler if it was Duct Tape, but I guess we can't really complain. " Alright, I'm not sure whether I believe it or not, but it looks pretty darn cool.
Thank you
I need one of these to tape hot grits to my pant.
Thank You
it's funny to see someone who's user number is over 100,000 being a "sucker for newbies"... Aren't you one yourself? Or really, what's the highest /. user account number at this point?
And once again, Slashdot is posting "old news". This particular story is over a year old. The first time I heard it was in the march or april issue of the German C't magazine (even had the same picture).
If you can'd DUCK it F*CK it....
Very Cute.....
Next is the Plasma drive..... (4th state of matter)
I want one on my Enterprise.
Sorry about that, I, very much agree with you.
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Go ahead and mod it down if you must, but, c'mon, gimme a small break...
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fuckin a, i fell for it. next time ill check it.
god dammit
What ever happend to: Beyond 2000 NextStep The Secret Life of Machines Invention ... and all those other cool technology based series. Now all they show is bull sh*t. People in the ER and damm monkeys in the zoo. I loved them sci fi/fact shows.... sobb sobbb.
You not going to get any PIX that way....
:)
Thanx Natalie
What ever happend to:
... and all those other cool technology based series. Now all they show is bull sh*t. People in the ER and damm monkeys in the zoo. I loved them sci fi/fact shows.... sobb sobbb.
Beyond 2000
NextStep
The Secret Life of Machines
Invention
ect.
See the planned drive construction image in the article for the tubular design for the drive.
;)
Hmm, defragging a read only device - how would you go about doing that?
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The researchers realize that off the shelf tape wont last long. If you read the article, it says that they are working with the tape manufacturers to make a better tape...
Yeah, i mean jesus, like we really need another form of read only media, this is soo boring, i wish people would just stop trying to be inovative .
god i hate people who try to be inventive
This is old fucking news. GEEZ the quality of Slashdot is dropping steadily. This site is a mecca for the AOL crowd and other assorted airheads. Time to switch to a different geek news site, any suggestions?
How do you eat soup in the Matrix?
with a sp... oh I get it. Haha.
no it doesn't.
Makes you wonder why they don't sell multi-layered optical media down at Compuserve. It's like someone saying this technology is so simple we could use a roll of scotch tape, so somebody did.
Anybody search the patent office to see who is not developing their patent?
This story is already at least half a year old, i have seen it long time bevore. Why does Slashdot post this now???
Well our steamed college .Natalie_Portman (150870). But this other guy was 1.3x10^5 so. TTFN
thats wonderful man, it brought me to fucking tears
now allow me to share my emotional poem:
Reflections
I like to take my pants
And in them I pour hot grits
Then I wank myself to climax
By licking Natalie Portmans' clit.
Thank you for your time, please hold your applause
Well it is.
Yes! I've been looking for something to do with all this liquid ethane sitting around in the huge vats in my house.
Did you read the article? It's not even about "tape" storage, in the traditional sense. The tape is never unrolled, because the read-device can focus on individual layers of the tape. We're not going to see Tape-RW (from this technology) any time soon, because this is just a proof-of-concept idea. It isn't even remotely practical for actual storage because the laser system would be so damned expensive.
So does this mean that whenever a hacker gets busted... do the feds have to take all the scotch tape in the house as well as any other computer equipment?
can i have pics of your juicy pink clit?
...that should be from tape to 8" to 5.25" ...
Simple steps to money: /. stock rises. So much for honesty
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2. Moderate up all posts from those grovelling to Malda.
3. Moderate down everything else.
Having eliminated free speech, VA and
yeah really, kill those damn kikefuckers
... a Beowulf cluster of these!
...that should be from tape to 12" to 8"...
Of course Duct Tape still doesn't do a good job of repairing ducts. I think that if you can't fix ducts with duct tape, it automatically loses regardless of its other potential applications. What about electrical tape? It can be used to insulate wires and does what its name claims relatively well.
Hey, wake up man! Nobody would ever sell movies on TAPE!
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Thank god we don't have to deal with horrible, horrible trials like this in the good ole' United States of America; OUR serial killers are too young to go to court.
out on a limb here and say that is probably not a first post.
limb says that this is not a first post either.
If siggy 11 said this it'd be marked +5 friggin hilarious in no time.
Where is he when we don't need him?
I just had to check - twice.. I was worried I drank too much ( well, who really worries about *that*? )last night and lost 2 weeks to an alcohol induced coma-
Pull the other one, it's got bells on.
3C
Here are my plans for building an 11mbps wireless modem out of an old sneaker.
c'mon- let's stick together here and make some clear observations regarding this new drive. If I could have a 10gb tape drive that costs only a few cents, this will revolutionize storage capacities of other media.
crystal ball drive anyone?
And now we'll have to pay the MPAA and RIAA or whoever exhorbitent recordable media taxes for our sticky tape.
that's what I want to know...
Funeral Services for first researcher who runs out of air: $5000
when will the tyranny ever end??
http://www.cnet.com/news/0-1004-200-339.html
This Story was an April fools joke of the german computer magazine c't a couple years ago. Since then it has been reprinted every couple months by mainstream media magazines who just didn't get it. Every german, wo's not a total computer illiterate laughs about that thing since then. Let's laugh about ./ now... :D
argh sorry, meant to hit preview
Yeah, especially if someone uses your storage device to attach a poster to the wall.
good example of a scientist mucking around. they discovered a 5th condition that matter can be in. the initial 4 were "solid, liquid, gas & plasma". not so recently something called "Bose Eiensten condensation" came about, it is at just about absolute 0, and was predicted by eiensten and some Indian mathematician (i think) Mike trollbait this ain't
Can't stop laughing...
Your comment is mostly speculative opinion, which you claim as fact. He stated his as opinion.
You pick up the bowl and drink from it. Give it up, Stary, it's stale.
...at least the stuff they send me in the mail would be more useful than these CDROM coasters. :-)
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than scotch tape. I recall this one time were running rivers and I punched a hole in my kayak, and we had another river to run the next day, so I patched the hole with duct tape. And it was really cool because it was on this indian reservation, and all the indians were up at 7 am to buy beer when I was buying duct tape and they looked mean and hungover. Oh yeah, cool about that nerd scotch tape use fer data storage. Scotch, now I've got a few stories about that... erk...
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If voting were effective, it would be illegal by now.
The judge ordered Javed Iqbal, 42, executed in a Lahore park in front of his victims' parents.
``You will be strangled in front of the parents whose children you killed,'' Judge Allah Baksh Ranja said. ``Your body will then be cut into a 100 pieces and put in acid, the same way you killed the children.''
``Your honor, I am innocent,'' Iqbal said upon hearing the sentence. His lawyers said he will appeal, a process that could last years.
The government said it will challenge the sentence.
``We are signatories to the human rights convention which does not permit this,'' Pakistan's Interior Minister Moinuddin Haider said.
Public punishments are not common in Pakistan, where death sentences are carried out in prisons by hanging.
``You don't answer back a sick man in a sick way by the state,'' said Asma Jehangir, a human rights lawyer who also consults for the United Nations. ``This is judicial anger and emotionalism. This is unheard of. It is barbaric.''
The judge did not say who would carry out the death sentence. Under Pakistani law, family members are allowed to kill a convicted murderer in the same manner as their relative was killed.
Or they can show mercy.
``In this case you will have to get all 100 families to agree to show mercy,'' Jehangir said.
Ranja also sentenced Iqbal to 700 years in prison for destroying evidence - seven years for each of the 100 bodies dissolved in acid.
Iqbal had testified that he was only a witness. He said his confession letter was intended to teach the parents of the missing children a lesson and frighten them because they had neglected their children. Some of the victims - mostly beggars, street kids or runaways - had been missing for more than six months before their parents reported their disappearance to police.
Iqbal had shared a house with three youths, who also were found guilty in the crimes.
A 17-year-old identified only as Sajjid was convicted on 98 counts of murder and sentenced to death and 686 years in prison. A 15-year-old named Nadeem was convicted on 13 counts and given 186 years in prison. A 13-year-old boy identified as Sabir was given a 42-year prison sentence.
The trial generated strong emotions in Pakistan, where serial killings are a rarity. Throughout the trial, parents of the missing children held a vigil outside the courtroom, screaming abuse at Iqbal and demanding the death sentence.
In a Dec. 2 letter mailed to police, Iqbal said he went on his killing rampage after being abused by police. He claimed he had been wrongly detained and badly beaten while in custody. Iqbal said he strangled the children, dismembered their bodies and placed them in a vat of acid.
Iqbal later recanted, but the letter led police to his home where they found the remains of two bodies in a blue vat. Police also found pictures of 100 children and clothes belonging to the young victims, whom they believed also were sexually abused.
Parents of missing children viewed the pictures and went through the clothes to determine if their children were among the victims. Most of the children were identified, but police did not recover any more bodies.
On Dec. 30, Iqbal walked into the office of a newspaper and turned himself in.
Come on, guys, this was demonstrated at CeBit last year. Even by Slashdot's standards, running the story now is a bit late.
Great maybe AOL can now send me something I can use! I really really do NOT need any more COASTERS.
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Now only if they could make a 3D accelerator out of toliet paper rolls, I'd be set.
One hermetically sealed clean room.. $750,000
One teleporter to get the equipment (and yourself) in.. $?
The use of actual sticky tape is just goofing around I'm certain. Much like the joll-o laser (and the competing vodka laser from the USSR)
Oh, yeah! When you get bored you can drink the vodka from this drives laser and tape yourself to the wall!
BECAUSE MRBILL ATE MY HARD DRIVE. THANK GOD WE HAVE THE PREDATOR FORT(TM) TO PROTECT US FROM EATING US!
Double points to the first person to get it working with the i-opener.
It doesn't say when the other guy submitted the story... only when it was posted to the main page. So it's entirely possible that you didn't submit it first....
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We like these kinds of stories because, hey, it's cool. :^) Who cares if it's practical or not.
:^)
Lighten up, willya?
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Pardon me for being a little crybaby...waahhh-waahhh...but I don't even know why you guys (being the Slashdot story acceptors/decliners) even attach someones name to a story. This is one of many times that I have posted a story (as seen below):
2000-03-18 07:00:17 10 GB of Data Storeage on Clear Adhesive Tape (articles,news) (declined)
Only to have someone else given the credit. Pardon me for saying so, but that sucks. Why give credit at all, if it's not the correct credit. Granted the other person submitted the story as well, but I submitted it much earlier (7 a.m. CST). Oh crap! I'm gonna lose some karma now. Damn, and just when I was about to reach 60 points! Oh well, moderate me down, down, down....
Guess I'll just have to start getting all of my news that really matters from Kuro5hin.org Have you checked it out yet? Very cool site. It's like the Slashdot of old when it was good (meaning now it's not so good).
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I submit stories that no one else does, and they still get declined. :)
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
Gives a new meaing to taping one's mouth shut
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I know this is a troll, but I have to say this. /. staff. So basically you're dead in the water.
I have been a moderator (and probably so have you if you actually have an account) and Andover's stock price was definitely not on my mind.
The problem with your theory is that moderation is done by USERS, not
Whatever...
Search first, ask questions later.
I also wonder if it would be ROM or if it would be rewritable
Well if you read the article you would see it is read-only. You'd also see it is not about unrolling the tape and rolling it back up, etc., so it does NOT involve advanced media decay, stretching from heat, or other problems non-readers-of-the-article are postulating. In fact, it has potentially much less risk than a hard disk, because you keep the roll of tape fixed and only rotate a laser-bouncing mirror in the center of the roll's donut space, as opposed to a hard disk where the whole platter spins and the drive head remains relatively stationary. This means fewer balance problems, and potentially much higher speeds.
In short, for those of you who can't be bothered to read the article, it's not about using scotch tape as a tape-backup medium. It's about using scotch tape (not the 3M brand, but similar) in a roll, using the fact that a laser can penetrate to any given layer in the roll at once. This also has holographic storage implications. In short, read the article.
Ah yes it will be able to be quite cheep, but you know companies. They will just have to come out with "Data Safe Packing Tape" then charge an arm and a leg for it.
Minor detail, very minor... :}
Two rolls of tape for her to use to hang up
decorations for her senior prom.....
AOL 6.0
and
Microshaft Windows 2010.
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Nope. Didn't you read the website? The most specifically don't /want/ to unroll it.
There's a laser that sits in the hole in the middle (where the spindle goes) and reads it from the inside out.
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Hmmm... mind I don;t know anything about this, so I could be off my rocker.
But wouldn't the thickness of the roll start to get in the way at some point? I mean, after looking through several inches of tape to get to the last layers, what you see is gonna be pretty murky -- I don't care how "clear" the tape is.
If your roll's only 2" then it's not a big issue, especially since if you look from the inside, that's less that 1" to look through at any given time.
But when you get up towards your 10" size, I suspect that you will only be able to "look" so deep. Either that, or your storage compression (ie: bytes per inch) is gonna go downhill pretty fast.
Anyway, what I'm getting at, is that a simple comparaison of the respective lengths of a 2" and a 10" roll probably won't give you a terribly good idea of how much you can store on said 10" roll.
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If this ever actualy happens, you better keep an extra close eye on your "hard drive" come christmas time or you could end up wiht all your data in small pieces under you tree.
....1PB sugar cubes
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Read the article before posting next time. It's a write once medium.
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There are newsgroups for this. Look up the comp.sys.mac.* hierarchy and stop abusing this public forum. You're making the rest of us Mac users look bad. If you don't have a news server and news client to browse with, use DejaNews and similar web sites.
If it's for-profit but free, you're not the customer -- you're the product (e.g., the Slashdot Beta's "audience").
...than having to constantly deal with assholes like yourself day in and day out. Oh, I suppose I could BE one of those assholes.
Get a life and move on.
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A girl from germany left some tesa tape at my house and its a small clear ring with the tesa lable i was using the ring to hold an emu egg now i know it can hold more then that but yet it still holds more then that
Raindeer wrote: "People assume that because it has been done in a lab it is therefore possible to do it anytime, any place, anywhere. Fact is, you can't. Most inventions are only proof of concept and need alot of work before they can be used by you or me. Now next time you see a cool invention, understand that it takes at least 2 to 3 years t end up on your desktop."
It's a good point that research can take a long time to reach the guy on the street -- on the while, though, I think the reaction here on slashdot is actually pretty reasonable.
It's natural to be excited about new technologies, and for them to suggest possibilities that might not be immediately feasable -- even when the new technology is itself sort of quixotic.
I'm all for tape-storage; I just want it to be on elephant tape so it never breaks.
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Now I can get a 10 GB Scotch HD.
Now the question is... Can I get it with a SCSI interface?
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Maybe, but things'll change after a while It'd be a lot easier just to subcutaneously inject a chip into your hand. Then, of course, there are gonna be the people who are proud of that, and get it injected into their forehead. Then they'll become mandatory, and that'll be how you buy stuff. Of course, right before this chip comes into the market, a billion, maybe more people will get "abducted by aliens" or some similar hogwash. Read Revelation, it's all in there. (In forms more easily deciphered by the ancient Romans, but it's there nevertheless) -=Canar=-
...that the slash quote at the bottom of my page is: "You will lose an important tape file."
Coincidence? Hmmmm....
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Well, the label on your 10" should say how long the roll is, and then you need to know how long a 2" roll is, and your set!
Intolerant people should be shot.
Don't they need to unroll it to use it?
Intolerant people should be shot.
>The required laser power of a less than 1mW is comparable with that of a laser pointer.
So probably not, because no matter how fast you spin it, it's still only generating 1 J of heat every 1000 seconds in the tape. I would think the majority of the heat from hard disks and cd-roms comes from the motors spining those massive things so fast and consistantly. If all you have to spin is a light-weight mirror (the tape remains stationary), then the heat would be significantly reduced. Heat might arise from the "energy release" when writing, but not from rapid reading
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Have they tested this long term?
I wouldn't be at all surprised if the adhesive clouded due to exposure to the read light.
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Just because it works, doesn't mean it isn't broken.
Furrfu!
Don't scoff at the wonkyness of the medium too quickly. It certainly has merit, where else can you find 10 Gigs of mass storage that cheap? Just the right size for storing those deeveedee pir8 copies. And its alternative use as an adhesive prevents the MPAA from taxing it heavily. Or will we see "denaturated" scotch tape, just as we have "denaturated" alcool (for non-drinking usage) now?
Scotch tape? mmm.. Yeah right, sounds like an early april fool to me. Think a bit, the laser focuses on the layer within the roll? Ha ha, ever seen a roll of cellotape? the things bulge etc. You can't guarantee the thickness of the adhesive so how do you propose to focus the bloody laser einstein? P.S. My hardrive wobbled, so I'm booting my linux system from an old Smiths C15 data cassette coupled to my soundcard.
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After playing with a few office supplies, I've found 2" to be pretty much undistorted (high grade 3M tape). I can't find anything bigger than 2", but I'm guessing the manufacturer is an even bigger factor than the size of the roll. Depending on what dyes they use and so forth. Note that in the article they didn't use 3M tape. I'm not sure this was due to advanced research on clarity or if it's just what they had in their cubicles. I can see 3M jumping on this and making a lower distortion tape so you could have up to a 5" roll (or larger). Using the volume of a cylinder, we see that:
capacity == pi * (r^2) * h
assuming the roll is standard (or roughly standard) 2" wide and 7" in diameter, (2" tape and 3" center)
10 GB == (pi * (7^2) * 2) - (pi * (3^2) *2)
or (98 * pi) - (18 * pi) == (80 * pi) == 10GB
(pi * (13^2) * 2) - (18 * pi) == (320 * pi), or 4 times the data area. A 5" roll would give you 40 GB.
That's a breakthrough IMHO because your materials cost goes up about 2 dollars per drive for a larger roll of tape, using the same hologram/laser assembly. You could also look into getting a 10" wide, 5" deep roll of tape and extending the mirror assembly, again probably about $10 additional hardware cost for several hundred GB of storage capacity.
(pi * (13^2) * 10) - (90* pi) == (1600 * pi), or 200 GB storage space. Yes, I realize that these numbers aren't truly accurate but they're somewhat close.
Factor in the cost of designing a lower distortion tape, and you're looking at the difference between a 10 GB drive and a 200 GB drive to be about $30/drive. If someone working in the R&D area at 3M is reading this, I suggest looking into a lower distortion tape. You may spawn a breakthrough in cheap drive manufacturing.
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Hmmm..
If 10 GB = 2 inch roll, I got a couple 10 inch rolls laying around.
How much data can I put on each of them?
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Well, I didn't actually see anything about tubular design on the page, maybe I missed it, but if they were actually using a Scotch tape dispenser, wouldn't that lead to alarmingly poor performance on non-sequential reads? You'd have to move the strip forwards and backwards... of course this is a problem with conventional tape drives.
Just make sure you de-frag your tape roll once in a while and everything'll be alright.
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The category for this device would fall under tape-worm. :)
Now if only I could debug source code with Post-It(tm) Notes then I'll be extremely happy with the guys at 3M. Just a note of curiousity, how would this new wacky medium cope with "multi-roll" spanning archives? Someone better work out how to perfectly link up one end of tape to the start of another roll during untarring or else I'll never have enough room to store all the BSD vs. Linux flame wars on Slashdot! Better still, I could use the tape to shut some lame flamers up and bring some relief to us all.
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Hmmm...an interesting concept- It brings about the question; Could a similar storage type replace DAT storage. Magnetic reels are used for offsite archival data storage all the time because they have a tremendous data-storage to cost ratio. What if the "Scotch Tape" technology was simply moved to more stable polmer. Perhaps we could replace DATs with a similarly cheap cartridge type media, capable of high storage capacity and (because there would be no moving parts to compensate for) perhaps cheaper media. -Derivative My Mac has a Terminal - osX
Faster, that's all.
brilliant - I'll write my encrypted data to it and by the time the pigs^H^H^H^Hfine upstanding law enforcement officers manage to get me to hand over my key (damn this RIP shite my govt wants to force on us, its crap and they know it), the data will have degraded beyond recovery.
I have seen a television report on this a while ago. It really does seem to work. Only with Beiersdorf's Tesa Film though. Scotch Tape is not clean enough.
Not that it really matters, but it is also german (with the same meaning). I believe that tesa is a german company (Beiersdorf AG tesa).
Earlier postings in german are available at heise's news archive:
"Tesa-ROM" wird kommerziell entwickelt
Klebriger Speicher: die tesa-ROM
Uni Mannheim zeigt "Tesa-ROM"
Ok, so, uhm. I've got a question about this RSI thing and how it relates to slashdot. I'm assuming you still have rsi. And if so, isn't it bad to be hanging out on the internet, presumably using a mouse and keyboard all the time?
Is there something you do to manage it. Alternative input devices, excersices or something?
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Well, I guess my fellow Canadians and I can expect to start paying an extra $2 or $3 per roll of tape soon to compensate the recording industry for their lost revenues!
*cough* I never came out and *SAID* sctoch tape was like windows. :P lol
Dammit what use is this if I don't know the storage in terms of MP3s!
*rofl*
Only on slashdot could an acticle on a "tape" drive turn into a linux vs windows metaphore (i must admit it was damned witty, though)
Actually 3M couldn't come out with a new scotch tape for the sole purpose of Data Storage. They have have a no-compete agreement with Imation. (a 3M spinoff which makes storage products.)
This sounds like the best form of information sneaking since the microcamera! Imagine it, a roll of scotch tape being passed to an enemy agent by covert operatives, this SCREAMS secret agent!
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Like... even if this is actually true, it's so obviously pointless... MurderSlaughter-Arnold II, now available on scotch tape (encrypted and region encoded to your exact coordinates of course).
Gimme a break...
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If a roll of scotch tape which is, what, about an inch, two inches in diameter, can store ten gigs then a smaller roll, say around the size of a finger ring, could store (I'm guessing) a few hundred megs. Which is more than enough to store personal details, medical records, insurance details and so on... In my wallet I have no less than 14 different necessary pieces of plastic- debit card, credit card, various memberships to different things, and so on. It would be a lot simpler if I could combine them all into one single item that was easy to carry, and use that everywhere. With the ring, all I need do is wear that all the time and I have all the identity I need. This would also have the added benefits of instant access to my medical records if I were involved in an accident. Credit card fraud (at least of the goood old-fashioned, in a store variety) would become harder as the ring could contain a (recent) hi-res recent photo of me. Combine the sensitive information with encryption and you're sorted. People who have concerns about a national identity device may have well-grounded fears here, but isn't the total contents of someone's wallet more or less a national ID scheme anyway? --
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This does sound interesting, but I have a few concerns that I don't believe the article addresses.
The tubular shape of the proposed drive would allow faster read access, because you don't need to move the read head as far. Also, the multi-layer properties of Tesa multi-film is much like a DVD, which suggests that in the future any movies you buy will be used as tape when they wear out. Talk about recycling! Maybe they will come out with HDTape, Premium tape, or Scotch Movies :)
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Figure the roll costs $2, I like that price point. I guess the laser, actuator, etc might cost extra.
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Nobody seems to have picked up on the real significance of this form of storage. All conventional forms of storage are limited to only using 2 dimensions for storing data. This new technology is essentially a form of 3 dimensional storage, even though I realize that the roll of tape itself is made from a bunch of "2-D" layers. Even if the tape-drive isn't feasable, then something using the same principles will be. With a bit of research I'm sure manufactures can produce even thiner tapes, and that researches can figure out how to put even more data on each roll. We live in a 3 dimensional world, why not use them all?
Nobody seems to have picked up on the real significance of this form of storage. All conventional forms of storage are limited to only using 2 dimensions for storing data. This new technology is essentially a form of 3 dimensional storage, even though I realize that the roll of tape itself is made from a bunch of "2-D" layers. Even if the tape-drive isn't feasable, then something using the same principles will be. With a bit of research I'm sure manufactures can produce even thiner tapes, and that researches can figure out how to put even more data on each roll. We live in a 3 dimensional world, why not use them all?
i was at eml just last week and the people there told us that it doesnt work on scotch tape....just on tesa (which is a german brand) actually i read an article about this 1 or 2 years ago i'll be emailing this story, to the people in charge. i guess they will be better qualified to say something about the subject.
I would suppose now we will see a incline in HDD crashing due to 'tape-worms' as aposed to a virus...
I am new here to slashdot, and what is with every topic having someone posting about hot grits and such?
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This is a real product currently in development here in germany. It is being developed in collaboration with the European Media Laboratory, the Uninversity of Manheim and the company that makes the tape. for more information go to http://www.eml.org/. I have seen this and a lot of the other work going on at the EML becuase of the dean of IT here at the International University in Germany is also the SCIENTIFIC AND MANAGING DIRECTOR at the EML.
need some kind of removable storage.
Now if some agency thinks you have secretly stored some data on your computer, you do not only have to hand over any secret keys, but also tear off any Scotch tape your used anywhere in your home ;-)
Maybe 3M will come out with wider rolls of tape
How about double sided, double density too.
Also, what happens when the adhesive on the tape becomes weak?
You can check the stickyness of the tape by checking if the sticky bit is set to TRUE.
You do a full system backup on a roll of tape. Then you put your tape roll on the desk.
Now, someone who lives with you is just going to *NEED* a piece of tape. They go searching around the house, and viola! There's a NICE FRESH ROLL OF TAPE sitting right there on the computer desk!
Rrrrrrrrrrrip........Snap! (500 MB)
When they're done, they put it back. Then comes the point when you want to restore from backup...
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Sure. Although the disks are only purchasable in a single interface (ST506), the scotch tape disk drives turn SCSI after a period of time... just like regular scotch tape.
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In the late 1970's I read a paper that described the theory behind this. It's cool to see that someone has actually done it. I cannot recall where I read that paper, unfortunately. I was a wild and crazy college student so things like where it was published weren't important to me. I don't think it was in an academic journal, though.
The way this paper did describe the practical potential was in terms of unwound tape. They suggested using the backing medium from magnetic tape, but without the magnetic coating. The proposed mechanism would be to roll the tape past the heads like any tape device, but the heads would be a laser with a high speed rotating mirror that would cause a transversal scanning of the tape. I suspect this thinking was from video tape technology (2 inch quadraplex video tape recording was still common in TV broadcast at that time, EIAJ was getting cheaper, and Beta/VHS was emerging).
There were two interesting aspects of that paper. One was that they suggested a 1/4 inch by 2400 foot reel of tape could eventually hold 10 TERAbits of data (I think DVD has passed this level already, in terms of bits per square mm). The other was that they suggested certain chemical doping of the medium could allow a finite (they suggested 100 times) amount of erasing and rewriting (they didn't detail how that would be done).
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I know it is not the same idea, but it reminded me of that episode of "The Secret Life of Machines" where they showed how a tape recorder works by recording their voices on a piece of magic tape with rust sprinkled on it.
Does this mean that if my tape media goes bad I can still use it to tape posters on my wall?
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This is off an idle T1, I just opened the link in composer and saved it so it's just that page.
If this technology takes off, I'd say it's fairly likely that we'd see Tape-RW within several years due to special coating on the disks, or different poly types.
I personally don't see tape storage as making a comeback too extensively - unless we could have say, a 10gb tape and a 100gb tape (that would be one BIG roll!), and use them in the same drive. The possibility of someone packaging something up with it seems too high to me, and even the amount of space that such disks would take up compared to heftier CD-type disks. I think that DVD-RW is more likely to become mainstream, with probable higher densities as time goes on.
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This may change the balance of the seemingly interminable war between Scotch Tape and Duct Tape.
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"Try to think outside the box" ?
Perhaps they found that the tape was kinda like those Postit notes, and they couldn't get data to stick permanently
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When word of this gets out IBM, Maxtor, and all those other damn hard drive companies will start marketing 10 gig rolls of scotch tape for about $300, and the deluxe duct tape SCSI models will be pushing the $1000 mark. *Groan*
Seriously, though, this thing could be a very fast WORM system.Assuming they're smart (I think that's reasonable to assume), they will create a system whereby the laser is wide enough to read the entire width of the tape simultaneously. This will effectively make it a "drum", and will eliminate seek time latency, resulting in very fast access times.
It's the same as if your hard drive had a separate head for each cylinder -- there's no arm which has to travel back and forth, so then you only have to worry about rotational latency and normal i/o slowing you down.
However, by the time this thing would ever come to market, if that's even likely, 10GB will probably not be impressive for removable storage, and humans will have evolved far beyond the need for Scotch tape.
This technique is not unlike a 3-D optical storage technology in development by University of Toronto chemist, Eugenia Kumacheva.
In her current research, 1000 GB of data has been sucessfully stored on 1 cm^3 of a special polymer, using a laser to write binary material to the storage medium.
Read more about it here.
LoL duct tape is like Linux, Suited well for some things.. Duct tape does things such as hold sub-sonic aircraft together. Scotch tape on the other hand is suited well to hold gift wrap on a package toghether. See where this is going? Anyways you can use duct Tape for things like holding Radio stations toghether.. ( low budget bastards :p ) You see how this works.. Duct Tape RULES! Scotch tape is for sissies lol.
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As with managing it, I have been working in software development since June 1997. I have been stretching, icing, and taking breaks regularly. I will experience some limits and pain for the next several years, because of the delay in getting the treatment.
As to what this has to do with Slashdot, is that this is something that most slashdot readers are subject too, more than the regular population.
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Ignore the other one, i forgot break tags. Here it is again, properly:
Drive "3M" is not ready:
Abort, retry, Unroll?
Can't access drive; Unable to find beginning of roll!
Don't become unglued!
Invalid media, insert single-sided tape only!
And the number one user complaint of the future:
"I inserted double-sided tape, and it stuck! I thought I could get twice the storage..."
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Maybe 3M will come out with wider rolls of tape to fuel the new tape drive market. Also, what happens when the adhesive on the tape becomes weak? Do you lose your data? Can you make your own Scotch Tape HD out of recycled tape? The mind boggles...
Nobody seems to have picked up on the real significance of this form of storage. All conventional forms of storage are limited to only using 2 dimensions for storing data. This new technology is essentially a form of 3 dimensional storage, even though I realize that the roll of tape itself is made from a bunch of "2-D" layers. Even if the tape-drive isn't feasable, then something using the same principles will be. With a bit of research I'm sure manufactures can produce even thiner tapes, and that researches can figure out how to put even more data on each roll. We live in a 3 dimensional world, why not use them all?
I also wonder if it would be ROM or if it would be rewritable and
They state that it's WORM.
RANT>The problem with these stories is that many people read them and don't see that it is only a scientist goofing around.
The use of actual sticky tape is just goofing around I'm certain. Much like the joll-o laser (and the competing vodka laser from the USSR)
Perhaps in a few years, the operating principle can be applied to a usefully stable medium to come up with a really cheap high density WORM. R/W seems unlikely, since the technique seems to involve relaxing of the stress in the backing. I'm not sure if they mean the simple tension from rolling the tape (where the adhesive holds the tension), or the stress on the polymer chains from stretching the backing (probably the latter).
Packing tape as a medium. Want to send some secret files to your friend back in the USSR, write them on packing tape, and use it to wrap the package. He just uses the package reader version to pull the files off the now unrolled tape, but watch out for streaching.
What I like about it is the shear audacity of it. Here is a common product tape and they go and make it into a storage media. Oh, wait it already was a type of storage media. I guess it gives new meaning to binding the bits.
Gives new meaning to "setting the sticky bit"...
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As shown by this shop selling both Scotch Tape (9th listed) and Tesa Kristallklar (2nd listed)...The Tesa is about 3 times more expensive, but still pretty darned cheap (1.95 DM is about US$0.96) per roll.
I'm guessing Kristallklar probably translates as "Crystal Clear"?
Heat generation during read/write operations is hardly the biggest problem. Lower the entire thing in a vat of liquid ethane.
Adhesive tapes are made by extruding/casting a liqud layer which is dried to make the polymer film. There are so many problems with getting an uniform film using this technique. Inbuilt stresses during drying, edge effects, etc. etc.
This is one reason LCDs are so expensive. If only they can be made like polymer films...
the brand of tape is "tesa Multi-Film, kristallklar" or some shit like that. IT IS NOT SCOTCH TAPE
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Encode about a hundred thousand copies of css-auth.tar.gz and DeCSS.zip on a roll of tape, then use that roll of tape for your letters, promotions, etc. There's guaranteed to be at least one copy on each section if you write it right, and there are likely hundreds more in case of accidental data loss (read, ripping off and throwing in garbage can).
And better yet, it would be way to expensive for whatever agency was trying to destroy all copies to find which pieces of tape actually contained the code. Of course, the MPAA could just destroy all tape they found, but is that not some kind of criminal act? [evil snicker]
Small nitpick... It's not in fact a hard-drive, it's a write-once medium. Still pretty darn cool, though.
Wouldn't the heat caused by rapid reads and writes actually change the data. also, depending on how colse the tape was to other tape, It could easily expand and contract. I noticed in the article, that the tape they were using was on a slide, preventing it from moving. Although the idea is good, I don't see this ever being used in a real world situation.
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All joking aside, this, in my opinion, is a classic breakthrough in which a 'silly' idea or thought-experiment leads to a minor or perhaps major revolution. The idea of wide, rolled surface for data storage is phenominal. The amount of surface area is MUCH larger than that of a cd-rom or any other flat spining surface, and the amount of movement necessary for a given read is greatly lessened. The idea of three dimensional storage is a tad beyond me, but I can see the potential and it's very exciting.
Before you laugh this off as funny ("it's tape! Huh huh! That's stoopid!") read the page and check out what they're doing. This is big stuff!
With some very sticky implications...
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One hermetically sealed clean room.. $750,000
One pen laser $20
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This story has been doing the rounds for a couple of months allready. Though it is a theoretical possibillity to store data on Scotch tape, it would not be of alot of practical use. There was an Ask Slashdot on Data Obsolescence and Media Decay. Well, Scotch tape would definitely run large risks of media decay. I also wonder if it would be ROM or if it would be rewritable and how often it would be rewritable.
(RANT>The problem with these stories is that many people read them and don't see that it is only a scientist goofing around. It is amazing to see here on Slashdot the reaction research results. People assume that because it has been done in a lab it is therefore possible to do it anytime, any place, anywhere. Fact is, you can't. Most inventions are only proof of concept and need alot of work before they can be used by you or me. Now next time you see a cool invention, understand that it takes at least 2 to 3 years t end up on your desktop.
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...Unable to mount volume "3M", couldn't find damn beginning of roll...
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You'd be faced with a dilema, fix the printer and lose your 3rd backup of Win95.
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Drive "3M" is not ready: Abort, retry, Unroll? Can't access drive; Unable to find beginning of roll! Don't become unglued! Invalid media, insert single-sided tape only! And the number one user complaint of the future: "I inserted double-sided tape, and it stuck! I thought I could get twice the storage..."
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