$30 is essentially their "full price". It's about what 99% of users will pay when buying a computer with Windows 7 installed, and it's about what 99% of volume license partners pay, and it's about what 99% of nerds paid by using a.edu address.
I'll design an upside down pyramid. The top will have an airport, swimming pools, parade routes, etc.
And all rain water will run through a drain at the top of the pyramid and out the bottom, so the whole thing looks like it's coming out of water. In fact, let's just build it on the ocean. Also, I want to be able to raise and lower it to reduce cooling costs. And we can harvest the tidal energy our giant bobbing city creates.
Higher levels are more expensive. Donald, Bill, and Steve can share the topmost level. They like to hold Segway races on Fridays, so Branson's level just below them needs extra sound proofing.
Where's my drafting pencil? I need to sketch this masterpiece!
If you trust Bob, and Bob trusts Alice, you trust Alice.
However, no one ever fully trusts Bob. So, more explicitly, extension of trust is as follows:
If you trust Bob to a degree, and Bob trusts Alice, you trust Alice to the same degree that you trust Bob.
But this is incorrect as well. Because Bob's trust relationship with Alice is also "to a degree". Let's try this again:
If you trust Bob to a degree, and Bob trusts Alice, you trust Alice only to the product of the two degrees.
Trust does degrade with each step in the relationship chain. One of the most common "degrees" of trust is a restriction on forwarding that trust. We never actually "trust" Bob, we simply authorize him (as a supplier of code, a maintainer of data, etc.) to access our shit because we need to get shit done. The "trust" relationship is not freely given - privacy and access are sold in exchange for access to various services.
Thus, the degree of trust in an actual relationship is not a measure of actual trust, but a measure of what you are willing to risk.
The claim against the "you can only trust yourself" argument is that if you trust Bob, you must trust Alice in the same manner, because you are trusting Bob's integrity (who he chooses to trust). The claim is bullshit, because we never "trust" Bob - we simply accept a certain level of risk, and built into our threshold of acceptable risk is the restrictions on who Bob can extend that trust to.
The bottom line is that we can indeed choose to trust Bob completely and choose to not trust Alice at all. This is because the "trust" relationship is never actually based on trust - it is based on risk.
And since Opera is not open source, there is no way to be sure of that.
So slashdot. So retarded.
When was the last time YOU PERSONALLY read and understood EVERY LINE OF CODE you run?
Did you fabricate your own CPU too?
Shit being open source isn't some magic blanket of security. In fact, just the opposite: People blindly trust open source code thinking "someone else reviewed it". Who? Do you know their name? Do you know their review process? Do you know they're competent, and not just some 19 year old in a dorm room killing time between beer runs and WoW raids?
If Opera maliciously fucks you over, guess what - you have someone who is legally culpable. If your repository gives you a lemon, oh well!
Any card can be shit, sure. But the flagships have an order of magnitude more planning, testing, and driver support focus.
Sensible people will buy a PC they expect to last for 5 years or more.
And flagship parts are NOT the top end parts any more. The dual-GPU boards are the top of the line. (Or getting two of them and putting them in SLi / CrossFire...).
Getting the flagship card (typically $400 a couple weeks after the initial launch, with some rebates or a free game or some shit) will give you a significant performance jump over the mid-range of the same generation. This gives you about an extra year before you need to upgrade based on performance reasons, and more years of use in a secondary PC, or a higher resale value.
There are patches in place for HIV:
- Condoms
- Don't share needles
- Screen blood
- Etc.
It's not publicized by the people who discovered it, it's publicized by the appropriate health officials.
The discovery of the virus was not an exploratory mission - it was an investigation into an attack that had already occurred. This is the equivalent of PCs getting infected and people investigating why, how to prevent it, and how to fix it. Security bloggers actively assault PCs in an attempt to infect them, then detail how they did it.
No one has found a way to weaponize HIV. Or if they have, we don't know about it.
And I didn't mention HIV at all. AIDS is not HIV. A weakness in your immune system can be exploited to give you AIDS. HIV is one such exploit. There are others.
You're confusing discovering, researching, developing and disseminating an exploit (my analogy) to researching, preventing, and curing an existing one (HIV).
I browse at -1, with all the settings set to show as much shit as possible, and there's still 9 posts hidden on this page that I need to manually click on.
The "trolls" are the most entertaining part of slashdot. They're usually the most informative, insightful, etc. too.
The 8800 line is the earliest line that offers up their CUDA / DirectCompute / whatever stuff, as well as the DXVA stuff.
If you want to be cheap, get a used 8800 GT. There will be plenty flooding the market because of people getting the 460. If you can afford $200 bucks, then yeah, go for the 460.
Your concerns are power and noise, so you want the 8800 GT or 460 level of card (contrary to my advice to the gamer and "don't fucking care" crowds). I'd recommend the 460 if you can justify the cost simply because it's probably not defective (while the 8800 GT is guaranteed to be defective). You may also be able to find some GTX or GTS 2x0 cards used for under $100. Those are great for what you want, though it's a minefield because some of those (I don't know off of the top of my head) are simply rebadged parts from the previous generation.
On the ATi side, everything post the HD 2000 series should be fine. For $50, why not grab a 5450 like this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150469 , or similar from whatever OEM you like? I'm not as familiar with ATI's GPGPU stuff, so of course, make sure your software supports any card you intend to purchase. I did buy an AGP 4650 (or 3650?) a year ago for an aging system I wanted to get video decoding working on. ATi pretends that variant of the card doesn't even exist anymore, but I was able to get the DXVA thing working.
HDMI outs will work with DVI just fine assuming your monitor isn't a DVI-Analog ONLY monitor. Cards usually ship with an adapter. If not, a few bucks after tax/shipping on Monoprice/Amazon.
It ISN'T where they focus their attention when designing a new GPU architecture, sorry. Flagship parts mark the launch of a new generation of GPUs. The flagship parts are feature complete, and the rest of the parts are designed around them - from the "super gamer dual GPU elite model" to the "shitty game performance but does video decoding just as well" model.
The 8800 GTX and 8800 Ultra were the flagship parts.
The 8800 GTS was the down-binned 8800 part. Then there was the 8800 GT once they had a die shrink. They also did a partial packaging change, and this is what caused bump gate. All 8800 GT parts are effective. Then there was a second 8800 GTS revision, it was basically the same as the 8800 GT. All 8800 GTS 512 MB parts are defective.
In terms of performance of the GPUs:
8800 GTS 8800 GTS 512 8800 GT 8800 GTX 8800 Ultra
The gap from GTS to GTS 512 to GT is very narrow.
8800 GTX and 8800 Ultra were the flagship GPUs of their generation. The 8800 GT came much later and was exactly like the 460 now. Performance + value = bargain!
So all the people with broken cards from bumpgate got refunds? No, they got driver updates that ran the fan at a higher speed in an attempt to make the part outlast the warranty period.
See, the difference is, with Windows, you're the one getting his ass raped, with Ubuntu, you're the one getting the blowjob.
With Windows, you at least get the reach around, and they do use lube. In the end, the job gets done and your ass is sore.
With Ubuntu, you're bracing yourself between the toilet and the wall with your ass in the air and your spine irreparably bent, in an effort to barely reach the tip of your cock with your tongue. If the job got done your back is sore and you've got a mouth full of your own splooge. If the job didn't get done, your back is sore and you've got blue balls until you shamefully boot into your pirated (no lube) install of Windows to finish what you started.
Perhaps you should read my post. "If you don't need to play games, go integrated or go with cheap, cheap shit."
"If you don't need to play games, go integrated or go with cheap, cheap shit."
As to my second point: "If you can't afford the latest and greatest, get a used one from the last generation."
Please read next time. There are very real reasons to avoid refreshes and clock variations. The top of the line crap that comes out soon after the launch of the flagship are simply parts that have been clocked up after some sampling and binning, and a few tweaks to the game plan between Nvidia/ATi and the OEMs regarding power and cooling. These parts DO NOT undergo the same level of testing, and are simply the same silicon with more current pumping through it. The same holds true for the under clocked, feature-disabled, versions. These are typically BROKEN parts that have been binned down.
Refreshes that come out many months later are even riskier. They represent a complete change in the fabrication process and very little testing to go along with it. This is what caused Nvidia's bumpgate fiasco.
Flagship GPUs are the only GPUs that are reliable.
But I bet you think that the "ZOMG HYPER SPEED" RAM you buy is hot shit, too. Enthusiast RAM is BAD regular RAM with a shiny heatsink, maybe some LEDs, and a higher voltage requirement to get it to behave properly. The dirty little non-secret is that people buying the expensive shit are idiots. They'll probably never see the memory errors. And if they do, they'll blame it something else, or just accept it. Those that do jump through the hoops to get the memory replaced are covered by the ridiculous margins, and the fact that the RAM they send back will be sent out to someone else, as new, once the rebate program starts.
Information does not want to be free. It is information. It does not want anything. It does not think. It does not feel.
People do not want information to be free. Certain people do not want information to be free.
Certain people want certain information to be free.
Fat, greasy, sweaty nerds want information such as movies, games, software, and industry standards to be free.
The very same fat, greasy, sweaty nerds will form a lynch mob if you so much as quote their blog without releasing the full source code of the original (and that of your version if you've edited it), or if you neglect to put a big fat Creative Commons or GPL Version 3.2.76.1058 logo on your site.
Get over yourselves. Pay for things. Recognize that most of your "free and open" software was built by copying (directly from code or indirectly from a design perspective) software that cost millions of dollars and several years to develop. Respect IP law or get it changed if you have actual, reasoned arguments against its current form and implementation.
Do NOT claim that "information" want to be "free". Do NOT endlessly spout "Free as in beer, or free as in free?" or other such moronisms. Do NOT mod me anything other than Troll or Flamebait, because this is slashdot, and common sense must be attacked relentlessly.
Remember Nvidia's last great bargain card, the 8800 GT?
You know, the one everyone bought at $200? You know, the one everyone said was the best value? You know, the one with the bad bumps?
For GPUs: If you don't need to play games, go integrated or go with cheap, cheap shit. If you want to play games, ALWAYS go with a flagship line. For Nvidia, these have been 6800, 7800, 8800, 9800, 280, 480. For ATi these have been 9700/9800, x800 x1800, HD 2850, HD 3870, HD 4870.
If you can't afford the latest and greatest, get a used one from the last generation. The flagship cards are the only ones that undergo any worthwhile testing. The flagship cards are the only ones where the OEMs and Nvidia/ATi work together and formulate a gameplan.
Good ol' American Competition... I'm always in favor of lower prices, but who isn't?
The colluding GPU manufacturers? The colluding memory manufacturers? The colluding storage manufacturers? The colluding LCD panel manufacturers? The CPU monopolist Intel?
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Oh how I wish today were Friday.
$30 is essentially their "full price". It's about what 99% of users will pay when buying a computer with Windows 7 installed, and it's about what 99% of volume license partners pay, and it's about what 99% of nerds paid by using a .edu address.
I'd say $30 is a damn fair price.
Why ? It's "Think Different", not "Think Independently"
I (different) think you meant "Think Independent".
I'll design an upside down pyramid.
The top will have an airport, swimming pools, parade routes, etc.
And all rain water will run through a drain at the top of the pyramid and out the bottom, so the whole thing looks like it's coming out of water.
In fact, let's just build it on the ocean.
Also, I want to be able to raise and lower it to reduce cooling costs.
And we can harvest the tidal energy our giant bobbing city creates.
Higher levels are more expensive.
Donald, Bill, and Steve can share the topmost level. They like to hold Segway races on Fridays, so Branson's level just below them needs extra sound proofing.
Where's my drafting pencil? I need to sketch this masterpiece!
The trouble is, most carriers(at least in the US); subsidize handsets but don't offer less expensive plans to those who BYO hardware...
Sure they do.
My unlimited data plan (actually unlimited!) from AT&T costs me $10 per month.
By buying my own phones, I am not forced to "upgrade" my contract.
Welcome to smart phone plans before the iPhone!
LOL
Extension of trust works as follows:
If you trust Bob, and Bob trusts Alice, you trust Alice.
However, no one ever fully trusts Bob.
So, more explicitly, extension of trust is as follows:
If you trust Bob to a degree, and Bob trusts Alice, you trust Alice to the same degree that you trust Bob.
But this is incorrect as well. Because Bob's trust relationship with Alice is also "to a degree". Let's try this again:
If you trust Bob to a degree, and Bob trusts Alice, you trust Alice only to the product of the two degrees.
Trust does degrade with each step in the relationship chain.
One of the most common "degrees" of trust is a restriction on forwarding that trust. We never actually "trust" Bob, we simply authorize him (as a supplier of code, a maintainer of data, etc.) to access our shit because we need to get shit done. The "trust" relationship is not freely given - privacy and access are sold in exchange for access to various services.
Thus, the degree of trust in an actual relationship is not a measure of actual trust, but a measure of what you are willing to risk.
The claim against the "you can only trust yourself" argument is that if you trust Bob, you must trust Alice in the same manner, because you are trusting Bob's integrity (who he chooses to trust). The claim is bullshit, because we never "trust" Bob - we simply accept a certain level of risk, and built into our threshold of acceptable risk is the restrictions on who Bob can extend that trust to.
The bottom line is that we can indeed choose to trust Bob completely and choose to not trust Alice at all. This is because the "trust" relationship is never actually based on trust - it is based on risk.
And since Opera is not open source, there is no way to be sure of that.
So slashdot. So retarded.
When was the last time YOU PERSONALLY read and understood EVERY LINE OF CODE you run?
Did you fabricate your own CPU too?
Shit being open source isn't some magic blanket of security. In fact, just the opposite: People blindly trust open source code thinking "someone else reviewed it". Who? Do you know their name? Do you know their review process? Do you know they're competent, and not just some 19 year old in a dorm room killing time between beer runs and WoW raids?
If Opera maliciously fucks you over, guess what - you have someone who is legally culpable. If your repository gives you a lemon, oh well!
Any card can be shit, sure.
But the flagships have an order of magnitude more planning, testing, and driver support focus.
Sensible people will buy a PC they expect to last for 5 years or more.
And flagship parts are NOT the top end parts any more. The dual-GPU boards are the top of the line. (Or getting two of them and putting them in SLi / CrossFire...).
Getting the flagship card (typically $400 a couple weeks after the initial launch, with some rebates or a free game or some shit) will give you a significant performance jump over the mid-range of the same generation. This gives you about an extra year before you need to upgrade based on performance reasons, and more years of use in a secondary PC, or a higher resale value.
You're a moron.
There are patches in place for HIV:
- Condoms
- Don't share needles
- Screen blood
- Etc.
It's not publicized by the people who discovered it, it's publicized by the appropriate health officials.
The discovery of the virus was not an exploratory mission - it was an investigation into an attack that had already occurred. This is the equivalent of PCs getting infected and people investigating why, how to prevent it, and how to fix it. Security bloggers actively assault PCs in an attempt to infect them, then detail how they did it.
No one has found a way to weaponize HIV.
Or if they have, we don't know about it.
And I didn't mention HIV at all.
AIDS is not HIV. A weakness in your immune system can be exploited to give you AIDS. HIV is one such exploit. There are others.
You're confusing discovering, researching, developing and disseminating an exploit (my analogy) to researching, preventing, and curing an existing one (HIV).
Basically: You're wrong, as usual.
What are you talking about?
External PCIe uses the PCIe bus on the motherboard.
It simply pulls the wiring out of the case via ports on the back.
Its job is to pull the giant, hot, power-hungry GPUs outside of the case.
You wouldn't use Express Card for it.
They did.
And no one used it.
I browse at -1, with all the settings set to show as much shit as possible, and there's still 9 posts hidden on this page that I need to manually click on.
The "trolls" are the most entertaining part of slashdot.
They're usually the most informative, insightful, etc. too.
The 8800 line is the earliest line that offers up their CUDA / DirectCompute / whatever stuff, as well as the DXVA stuff.
If you want to be cheap, get a used 8800 GT. There will be plenty flooding the market because of people getting the 460. If you can afford $200 bucks, then yeah, go for the 460.
Your concerns are power and noise, so you want the 8800 GT or 460 level of card (contrary to my advice to the gamer and "don't fucking care" crowds). I'd recommend the 460 if you can justify the cost simply because it's probably not defective (while the 8800 GT is guaranteed to be defective). You may also be able to find some GTX or GTS 2x0 cards used for under $100. Those are great for what you want, though it's a minefield because some of those (I don't know off of the top of my head) are simply rebadged parts from the previous generation.
On the ATi side, everything post the HD 2000 series should be fine.
For $50, why not grab a 5450 like this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150469 , or similar from whatever OEM you like? I'm not as familiar with ATI's GPGPU stuff, so of course, make sure your software supports any card you intend to purchase. I did buy an AGP 4650 (or 3650?) a year ago for an aging system I wanted to get video decoding working on. ATi pretends that variant of the card doesn't even exist anymore, but I was able to get the DXVA thing working.
HDMI outs will work with DVI just fine assuming your monitor isn't a DVI-Analog ONLY monitor. Cards usually ship with an adapter. If not, a few bucks after tax/shipping on Monoprice/Amazon.
It ISN'T where they focus their attention when designing a new GPU architecture, sorry.
Flagship parts mark the launch of a new generation of GPUs. The flagship parts are feature complete, and the rest of the parts are designed around them - from the "super gamer dual GPU elite model" to the "shitty game performance but does video decoding just as well" model.
The 8800 GTX and 8800 Ultra were the flagship parts.
The 8800 GTS was the down-binned 8800 part.
Then there was the 8800 GT once they had a die shrink. They also did a partial packaging change, and this is what caused bump gate. All 8800 GT parts are effective.
Then there was a second 8800 GTS revision, it was basically the same as the 8800 GT. All 8800 GTS 512 MB parts are defective.
In terms of performance of the GPUs:
8800 GTS
8800 GTS 512
8800 GT
8800 GTX
8800 Ultra
The gap from GTS to GTS 512 to GT is very narrow.
8800 GTX and 8800 Ultra were the flagship GPUs of their generation.
The 8800 GT came much later and was exactly like the 460 now. Performance + value = bargain!
So all the people with broken cards from bumpgate got refunds? No, they got driver updates that ran the fan at a higher speed in an attempt to make the part outlast the warranty period.
Reality is different from what it should be.
Wrong.
Every single video card using the G92 GPU was defective.
Every.
Single.
One.
How about the Myst collection?
It requires Quicktime 2 or some shit.
Even on a machine with no Quicktime (XP SP3 or 7) I can't get it to work properly.
NNoo,, iitt iissnn''tt.. II tthhiinnkk yyoouu hhaavvee aa ddiiffeerreenntt iissssuuee.. WWoouulldd aapprreecciiaattee aannyy hheellpp tthhoouugghh..
See, the difference is, with Windows, you're the one getting his ass raped, with Ubuntu, you're the one getting the blowjob.
With Windows, you at least get the reach around, and they do use lube.
In the end, the job gets done and your ass is sore.
With Ubuntu, you're bracing yourself between the toilet and the wall with your ass in the air and your spine irreparably bent, in an effort to barely reach the tip of your cock with your tongue.
If the job got done your back is sore and you've got a mouth full of your own splooge.
If the job didn't get done, your back is sore and you've got blue balls until you shamefully boot into your pirated (no lube) install of Windows to finish what you started.
Perhaps you should read my post.
"If you don't need to play games, go integrated or go with cheap, cheap shit."
" If you don't need to play games , go integrated or go with cheap, cheap shit."
As to my second point:
"If you can't afford the latest and greatest, get a used one from the last generation."
Please read next time.
There are very real reasons to avoid refreshes and clock variations. The top of the line crap that comes out soon after the launch of the flagship are simply parts that have been clocked up after some sampling and binning, and a few tweaks to the game plan between Nvidia/ATi and the OEMs regarding power and cooling. These parts DO NOT undergo the same level of testing, and are simply the same silicon with more current pumping through it.
The same holds true for the under clocked, feature-disabled, versions. These are typically BROKEN parts that have been binned down.
Refreshes that come out many months later are even riskier. They represent a complete change in the fabrication process and very little testing to go along with it. This is what caused Nvidia's bumpgate fiasco.
Flagship GPUs are the only GPUs that are reliable.
But I bet you think that the "ZOMG HYPER SPEED" RAM you buy is hot shit, too. Enthusiast RAM is BAD regular RAM with a shiny heatsink, maybe some LEDs, and a higher voltage requirement to get it to behave properly.
The dirty little non-secret is that people buying the expensive shit are idiots. They'll probably never see the memory errors. And if they do, they'll blame it something else, or just accept it.
Those that do jump through the hoops to get the memory replaced are covered by the ridiculous margins, and the fact that the RAM they send back will be sent out to someone else, as new, once the rebate program starts.
Holy shit.
So you're saying that only source code is forbidden, but compiled code is free game?
IBM's work was stolen.
Plain and simple.
Information does not want to be free.
It is information. It does not want anything. It does not think. It does not feel.
People do not want information to be free.
Certain people do not want information to be free.
Certain people want certain information to be free.
Fat, greasy, sweaty nerds want information such as movies, games, software, and industry standards to be free.
The very same fat, greasy, sweaty nerds will form a lynch mob if you so much as quote their blog without releasing the full source code of the original (and that of your version if you've edited it), or if you neglect to put a big fat Creative Commons or GPL Version 3.2.76.1058 logo on your site.
Get over yourselves.
Pay for things.
Recognize that most of your "free and open" software was built by copying (directly from code or indirectly from a design perspective) software that cost millions of dollars and several years to develop.
Respect IP law or get it changed if you have actual, reasoned arguments against its current form and implementation.
Do NOT claim that "information" want to be "free".
Do NOT endlessly spout "Free as in beer, or free as in free?" or other such moronisms.
Do NOT mod me anything other than Troll or Flamebait, because this is slashdot, and common sense must be attacked relentlessly.
Remember Nvidia's last great bargain card, the 8800 GT?
You know, the one everyone bought at $200?
You know, the one everyone said was the best value?
You know, the one with the bad bumps?
For GPUs:
If you don't need to play games, go integrated or go with cheap, cheap shit.
If you want to play games, ALWAYS go with a flagship line.
For Nvidia, these have been 6800, 7800, 8800, 9800, 280, 480.
For ATi these have been 9700/9800, x800 x1800, HD 2850, HD 3870, HD 4870.
If you can't afford the latest and greatest, get a used one from the last generation. The flagship cards are the only ones that undergo any worthwhile testing. The flagship cards are the only ones where the OEMs and Nvidia/ATi work together and formulate a gameplan.
Good ol' American Competition... I'm always in favor of lower prices, but who isn't?
The colluding GPU manufacturers?
The colluding memory manufacturers?
The colluding storage manufacturers?
The colluding LCD panel manufacturers?
The CPU monopolist Intel?