At what point is a nation not a manmade structure?
A nation, in the final analysis, remains a nation when it fends off attack by challengers to its status. Sadly.
It is similar to my personal definition of intelligent life: a lifeform that shoots back at humans -- and wins. Whales would be considered ILF's if they fired frickin' lasers at the whalers.
Nations that want to remain nations, even if they are floating platforms in the ocean or spinning city-states in solar orbit, must have legal, economic, or martial ability to defend and counterattack.
Sealand exists because it isn't worth anyone's time to remove them. And a nation that simply removes Sealand will face really bad PR if they don't fabricate some excuse first: select 1) for pedophiles 2) for terrorists 3) for Drugs.
If Sealand gets private support, as offshore tax havens do, it will continue to exist, bar provocation. The pirates, however, will be sunk. No one is looking, and no one cares.
Holy L. Ron! The pirates have taken a page from the Pope of Fugitives. Elron, founder of Scien*gy, spent, what, ten years at sea in a converted freighter (correct me here), for the sole purpose of not getting arrested on numerous warrants.
I think I can see, like legal sheet lightning on the horizon, the copyright industry gearing up to remove the protection of international waters.
Which is doubly amusing, since the Church of Scien*ology was one of the first instigators of digital copyright law change. Back in '91, I recall, they first tore after anon.penet.fi for relaying their "copyrighted" Xenu tracts. And in '95, when they were confiscating PC's for having "illegal" copies. And certainly when they helped out with the DMCA legislation.
I just think it's funny, in a sad way. Round the circle we go. Now the copyright kings in RIAA et al. will set out after international water neutrality, seeking to to remove the protections that once saved the founder of one of the most litigious copyright abusing organizations.
If the protection of the high seas is removed, as I posit, then there will be no place left to get away from the U.S.'s interpretation of intellectual property. No Switzerlands of the mind.
Actually, the interesting point of their design is that with four wheels per side, one of two tires could blow out and the car would still have two wheels left to keep control, after which I'd assume one would stop.
Hm. Pneumatic tires are passe anyway. Solid tires exist, but are not widely sold, if at all.
Turns out we're living in a Second World dictatorship now. If you are a journalist, you can get fired for disagreeing with Bush and the majority of the population that supports him. We're going to war, and our representatives in goverment have been informed that they have no say in the matter.
If you try to protest the President in public, you will be herded to a "First Amendment Zone" miles away that will be cordoned off with fences and armored cops. If you get too successful, or the cops simply don't like what you're saying, they will gas and arrest you. If you manage to avoid the FAZ and try to protest near the permitted cheering supporters, you will be gassed and arrested. Oh, and if you do get any news coverage, it will be either the silliest fool in the line, or breathless commentary about a violent protest was suppressed by brave police, with Seattle mentioned somewhere.
Freedom of the press is worthless if almost all the presses are owned by wealth right-wing businessmen who hire the editors and managers, who in turn influence the tone of the stories. FOTP is worthless if half the news day on TV is devoted to endless coverage of the brave leader fighting a War -- no time for opposing views! Get with the program, there's a war on! FOTP is dead when CNN's editorial controls mandate that coverage of civilian casualties in Afghanistan always be accompanied by mention of the WTC attack.
We are entering the first war in U.S. history that has been marketed by 2 PR firms in D.C. The press look like underinformed idiots. Like sheep being led into a slaughtering pen because they don't understand how they are being led.
The only real source of U.S. critical thought on the airwaves was PBS. And that is being "remade" to appeal to a "new audience" of people who don't like listening to boring wonks... ie idiots.
To listen to a free press, I have to go to the BBC, the Guardian, the Times of London. If you try and read their papers, you'll find that the press of the world thinks we've gone absolutely bonkers with power and hubris. But you will not see much mention of this in the US press for the simple reason that the press has been remade along business lines -- they now must make increasing profits. To do this, they need audience. To get audience, they have to tell people what they want to hear. This is why Limbaugh is making billions and NPR is begging for money. You can't get rich by telling people things about themselves they don't want to believe.
Hmp. Just installed KaZaa to see what it was all about.
2 million users, lots of files... seems good... and then this happens.
This is about greed. Even if they achieved a steady state profit engine, they just have to crank it up another notch, then another, and another. Come on, isn't there such a thing as enough money?
Time to perform the semi-annual reformatting of the hard drive. I HATE software that refuses to un-install.
God, I miss Napster, and those innocent days before the men in suits showed up.
Shrinking job markets are funny until your career disappears.
Ayn Rand's philosophy isn't so palatable when the only job available in twenty years is washing floors at a McDonald's -- maybe. That job could be automated too.
With jobs being exported overseas, a radical administration gutting unions, job security, medicare, and free schools with such glee, where the hell is anyone supposed to make a living?
Not everyone has an "in" into Harvard or MIT. And most of the top, top management jobs are practically royalty anyway -- for the ultimate example of that, look in the White House. A dumb frat boy who goofed off until he was forty, a National Guard deserter, who ran every company he touched into the ground, who had only six years of public service to his name, got appointed President by his father's friends into his job.
This ain't an idle point. Meritocracy can only go so far when business management, in the name of profit, is dilligently nuking all the jobs they can, and erasing the safety nets for those who can't get hired anymore. The shareholders are happy (until the bubble bursts), but in the end we have an unemployed workforce contrasting with the enormously wealthy executives who canned them.
Where's the software that will get rid of the parasites at the top who pass out the pain? Somehow I doubt that innovative tech will ever see the light of day.
Damnit, sometimes I feel like going communist. With heroes like this, what the hell is the difference?
Actually, you do own the book and the words on them. This has been established for centuries.
You can read them aloud, make a copy of them, chop them out of the book and make bomb threats with them (which would make it a real crime), set them on fire, write an article about them and quote selected portions. You can resell the book, because you own it -- the publishing company does not own it, and has no rights to it. Period. Tho they are currently trying.
About ten years back, RIAA tried to shut down CD resale shops. They failed. About the same time, they tried to to shut down digitial audio tape. Blank CD's. About fifteen years before that, they tried to make casette tapes illegal. The screamed that the music industry would collapse if copies were possible. They were wrong.
The movie industry tried to outlaw video tapes. Video tape machines. CD-burners, I think, were a target. Failed, failed, failed.
I understand the book publishing conglmerates are trying to use the wonderful new intellectual property theory so successfully used by audiovideo corporations to shut down book resales.
I can only attribute the new successes of these conglmerates to annihilate 200+ years of property owners' collective rights to their purchases to a new quasi-religious belief in the supremecy of corporate rights uber alles... the old adage "the business of America is Business" raised to biblical power.
If these extremely radical rewriting of national -- hell, international -- laws get the heartfelt support of just about every business-connected American, our future will be sealed books with embossed licenses.
The idea behind copyright was to encourage artists to create works to benefit mankind -- not to make a profit for all eternity. They were granted a limited time to pursue benefit of their monopoly, at the end of which they were to surrender the property to the commons. This system has worked wonderfully for two centuries, providing the world with incredible insights and art not previously seen in such volume.
And now, incredibly, a radical movement of corporate takeover of content is throwing our laws out the window. I'm astounded "conservatives" swallow this horse#$*& with such glee. This is radical political thought more violent to the collective spirit of man than the old dartboards of Communism and Socialism.
Intellectual Property is a notion cooked up in the early 20th century, and is anathema to the intent of the writers of the U.S. Constitution. Those writers decided to promote arts for the benefits of all. IP is for the benefits of those who can afford a printing press, a bleacher of lawyers, and the shackling of content creation for their own selfish purposes.
Knowledge is not property. Ideas are not property. In essence, the Constitution provides a clear declaration of a granted license to businesses to control the right of distribution -- for a limited time. It does NOT say that the artists OWN the works. Does NOT. It was assumed that ownership of an insubstantial thing as an idea was ridiculous and unenforcible. But they get to print and control printings by others to make a profit. For a couple of decades.
Interestingly enough, it took 120-130? years for American courts to recognize copyrights of other nations' artists. We stole like hell from anyone else.
Oh, it was a response to what he was saying, so not really offtopic.
And hell no, I don't think it plausible at all that a lawyer would "steal" the idea -- it's like stealing the idea for a parking lot. But my points still stand: taking on a lawyer who wants to nail you to a wall that way is damned futile. I've watched the process too many times.
Thing is, taking on the lawyer who stole your idea means years of litigation, tens of thousands of dollars (could be hundreds, actually), and taking on a man who doesn't have legal fees because he is a lawyer. And that lawyer, since he knew he was going to screw you, carefully laid legal landmines in any path to get him.
And remember, this lawyer will have operated the radio station for years before you could get a judgement against him. And if he wears a nice suit, is friends around town, and is polite to the judge, I'd lay odds that the judge would elect not to shut down his thriving operation because some "tort-abuser" says he had the idea first.
Races survived ten thousand years or more because there were no easy ways of breaking up with a local tribe and move thousands of miles away. It was a matter of time and logistics.
Now we have planes, ships, and cars to move from region to region, and all of Europe and most of the Americas as a mixing bowl.
Vanish in 500 years? Dunno. Hm. They will melt together in specific areas, ie Europe and the Americas, far faster than in Asia, Africa and the Pacific nations. I would guess 500 years would be more than sufficient to melt the groups together. Look at Hawaii and the native Americans groups -- pretty fast merging.
Well, it could be the sound of the engines as experienced by the people inside the ship.
For me, the acid test is acceleration and deceleration. Does the ship always fire its engines when travelling towards a planet, accelerating towards the surface? I mean, does the ship turn tail forward and fire briefly to deorbit, or does it fire up its engines and drive towards the surface of the planet like a Winnebago on I-90? Will Whedon break Sci-Fi (Godzirra, Star Trek, anime, Star Wars, as opposed to SF, which is Heinlein, Clarke, etc.) and stop using the impossible visual model of the automobile to depict orbital mechanics?
What frightens me about the remote-controlled puppet is that he (almost) never questions the lawyers.
He listens, but doesn't participate. Is it because, as some suggest, he usually has his mind made up already, before the proceedings? Or does he lack the mental equipment to participate?
Ted Bundy was a manipulative liar who told his questioner what he wanted to hear. Any "facts" from Bundy are from a vicious sociopath who was playing with his audience -- ergo, nonsense.
There isn't any real reason to export the hardware's work to the CPU. Other than tying the win-WiFi's operation to Windows, exclusively.
Microsoft is making this card because no one else will -- the market doesn't want it.
But if MS makes it preferable, and cheaper, to hook the WWF to their products, then MS owns the WiFi market. Which means innovation in the wireless market is controlled by MS. And they've shown endlessly what they do when they own markets.
MS innovate? Nope, they copy -- and the real question is, if MS didn't own several markets, what innovation could have come from other sources, that are now gone forever?
Monopoly, regardless of the opinion of the Chicago School of legal activists, has only limited consumer benefits. One can measure how wonderful the world is with MS controlling hardware and software on the desktop. But how do you measure negative consequences -- what *didn't* happen because MS doesn't want change?
Damned straight. Maybe if we put a few of this criminals in federal maximum security prison for a round of Ozification, we would all sleep safer in our beds.
After all, the law is the law, and that's all that matters -- sanity need not apply...
"GM has spent over a billion dollars on this design."
GM spends about a billion dollars on every car model redesign, so that isn't a dire a sit sounds. And they spread the expense over a decade. And deducted the expense from their taxes, so taxpayers subsidized it to the tunes of hundreds of billions. And billions of tax dollars was sprqayed at the car companies to develop new tech, which they used to develop proprietary IP they get to keep -- not to mention bury in a hole, as well as using the patents to nuke similar lines of research by others.
So, GM did not even spend half of what they spend on a Grand Am redesign. And the Impact gave them lots of patents. And they are going to crush them all.
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At what point is a nation not a manmade structure?
A nation, in the final analysis, remains a nation when it fends off attack by challengers to its status. Sadly.
It is similar to my personal definition of intelligent life: a lifeform that shoots back at humans -- and wins. Whales would be considered ILF's if they fired frickin' lasers at the whalers.
Nations that want to remain nations, even if they are floating platforms in the ocean or spinning city-states in solar orbit, must have legal, economic, or martial ability to defend and counterattack.
Sealand exists because it isn't worth anyone's time to remove them. And a nation that simply removes Sealand will face really bad PR if they don't fabricate some excuse first: select 1) for pedophiles 2) for terrorists 3) for Drugs.
If Sealand gets private support, as offshore tax havens do, it will continue to exist, bar provocation. The pirates, however, will be sunk. No one is looking, and no one cares.
I doubt that CD pressing plants are designed to be used on ship.
Hm. I think newer ship designs, using deep pontoons for flotation rather than hull-on-the-water, can achieve vibration and roll free sailing.
Or, you could build some bizarre suspension system for the burning factory.
So, it's possible that it could be done. Interesting story.
Holy L. Ron! The pirates have taken a page from the Pope of Fugitives. Elron, founder of Scien*gy, spent, what, ten years at sea in a converted freighter (correct me here), for the sole purpose of not getting arrested on numerous warrants.
I think I can see, like legal sheet lightning on the horizon, the copyright industry gearing up to remove the protection of international waters.
Which is doubly amusing, since the Church of Scien*ology was one of the first instigators of digital copyright law change. Back in '91, I recall, they first tore after anon.penet.fi for relaying their "copyrighted" Xenu tracts. And in '95, when they were confiscating PC's for having "illegal" copies. And certainly when they helped out with the DMCA legislation.
I just think it's funny, in a sad way. Round the circle we go. Now the copyright kings in RIAA et al. will set out after international water neutrality, seeking to to remove the protections that once saved the founder of one of the most litigious copyright abusing organizations.
If the protection of the high seas is removed, as I posit, then there will be no place left to get away from the U.S.'s interpretation of intellectual property. No Switzerlands of the mind.
Actually, the interesting point of their design is that with four wheels per side, one of two tires could blow out and the car would still have two wheels left to keep control, after which I'd assume one would stop.
Hm. Pneumatic tires are passe anyway. Solid tires exist, but are not widely sold, if at all.
I think the teardrop-shaped car you recall seeing was designed by Buckminster Fuller, who called it the Dymaxion car.
but it is sans the license fee to Apple
I hear this canard so many times I wonder if Intel assigns munchkins to spread it on message boards.
For the thousandth time, repeat after me:
Apple does not charge a licensing fee for Firewire.
Turns out we're living in a Second World dictatorship now. If you are a journalist, you can get fired for disagreeing with Bush and the majority of the population that supports him. We're going to war, and our representatives in goverment have been informed that they have no say in the matter.
If you try to protest the President in public, you will be herded to a "First Amendment Zone" miles away that will be cordoned off with fences and armored cops. If you get too successful, or the cops simply don't like what you're saying, they will gas and arrest you. If you manage to avoid the FAZ and try to protest near the permitted cheering supporters, you will be gassed and arrested. Oh, and if you do get any news coverage, it will be either the silliest fool in the line, or breathless commentary about a violent protest was suppressed by brave police, with Seattle mentioned somewhere.
Freedom of the press is worthless if almost all the presses are owned by wealth right-wing businessmen who hire the editors and managers, who in turn influence the tone of the stories. FOTP is worthless if half the news day on TV is devoted to endless coverage of the brave leader fighting a War -- no time for opposing views! Get with the program, there's a war on! FOTP is dead when CNN's editorial controls mandate that coverage of civilian casualties in Afghanistan always be accompanied by mention of the WTC attack.
We are entering the first war in U.S. history that has been marketed by 2 PR firms in D.C. The press look like underinformed idiots. Like sheep being led into a slaughtering pen because they don't understand how they are being led.
The only real source of U.S. critical thought on the airwaves was PBS. And that is being "remade" to appeal to a "new audience" of people who don't like listening to boring wonks... ie idiots.
To listen to a free press, I have to go to the BBC, the Guardian, the Times of London. If you try and read their papers, you'll find that the press of the world thinks we've gone absolutely bonkers with power and hubris. But you will not see much mention of this in the US press for the simple reason that the press has been remade along business lines -- they now must make increasing profits. To do this, they need audience. To get audience, they have to tell people what they want to hear. This is why Limbaugh is making billions and NPR is begging for money. You can't get rich by telling people things about themselves they don't want to believe.
Actually, he states you can watch a movie on the LCD -- and shows a snapshot of the Shuttle actually showing a Columbia Pictures image.
It echos out to a larger display as well.
Well, this guy outdid me. I was just going to put an LED display in the floppy drive opening on my Shuttle. Darn. Now I have to get competitive.
Hmp. Just installed KaZaa to see what it was all about.
2 million users, lots of files... seems good... and then this happens.
This is about greed. Even if they achieved a steady state profit engine, they just have to crank it up another notch, then another, and another. Come on, isn't there such a thing as enough money?
Time to perform the semi-annual reformatting of the hard drive. I HATE software that refuses to un-install.
God, I miss Napster, and those innocent days before the men in suits showed up.
Shrinking job markets are funny until your career disappears.
Ayn Rand's philosophy isn't so palatable when the only job available in twenty years is washing floors at a McDonald's -- maybe. That job could be automated too.
With jobs being exported overseas, a radical administration gutting unions, job security, medicare, and free schools with such glee, where the hell is anyone supposed to make a living?
Not everyone has an "in" into Harvard or MIT. And most of the top, top management jobs are practically royalty anyway -- for the ultimate example of that, look in the White House. A dumb frat boy who goofed off until he was forty, a National Guard deserter, who ran every company he touched into the ground, who had only six years of public service to his name, got appointed President by his father's friends into his job.
This ain't an idle point. Meritocracy can only go so far when business management, in the name of profit, is dilligently nuking all the jobs they can, and erasing the safety nets for those who can't get hired anymore. The shareholders are happy (until the bubble bursts), but in the end we have an unemployed workforce contrasting with the enormously wealthy executives who canned them.
Where's the software that will get rid of the parasites at the top who pass out the pain? Somehow I doubt that innovative tech will ever see the light of day.
Damnit, sometimes I feel like going communist. With heroes like this, what the hell is the difference?
Actually, you do own the book and the words on them. This has been established for centuries.
You can read them aloud, make a copy of them, chop them out of the book and make bomb threats with them (which would make it a real crime), set them on fire, write an article about them and quote selected portions. You can resell the book, because you own it -- the publishing company does not own it, and has no rights to it. Period. Tho they are currently trying.
About ten years back, RIAA tried to shut down CD resale shops. They failed. About the same time, they tried to to shut down digitial audio tape. Blank CD's. About fifteen years before that, they tried to make casette tapes illegal. The screamed that the music industry would collapse if copies were possible. They were wrong.
The movie industry tried to outlaw video tapes. Video tape machines. CD-burners, I think, were a target. Failed, failed, failed.
I understand the book publishing conglmerates are trying to use the wonderful new intellectual property theory so successfully used by audiovideo corporations to shut down book resales.
I can only attribute the new successes of these conglmerates to annihilate 200+ years of property owners' collective rights to their purchases to a new quasi-religious belief in the supremecy of corporate rights uber alles... the old adage "the business of America is Business" raised to biblical power.
If these extremely radical rewriting of national -- hell, international -- laws get the heartfelt support of just about every business-connected American, our future will be sealed books with embossed licenses.
The idea behind copyright was to encourage artists to create works to benefit mankind -- not to make a profit for all eternity. They were granted a limited time to pursue benefit of their monopoly, at the end of which they were to surrender the property to the commons. This system has worked wonderfully for two centuries, providing the world with incredible insights and art not previously seen in such volume.
And now, incredibly, a radical movement of corporate takeover of content is throwing our laws out the window. I'm astounded "conservatives" swallow this horse#$*& with such glee. This is radical political thought more violent to the collective spirit of man than the old dartboards of Communism and Socialism.
Intellectual Property is a notion cooked up in the early 20th century, and is anathema to the intent of the writers of the U.S. Constitution. Those writers decided to promote arts for the benefits of all. IP is for the benefits of those who can afford a printing press, a bleacher of lawyers, and the shackling of content creation for their own selfish purposes.
Knowledge is not property. Ideas are not property. In essence, the Constitution provides a clear declaration of a granted license to businesses to control the right of distribution -- for a limited time. It does NOT say that the artists OWN the works. Does NOT. It was assumed that ownership of an insubstantial thing as an idea was ridiculous and unenforcible. But they get to print and control printings by others to make a profit. For a couple of decades.
Interestingly enough, it took 120-130? years for American courts to recognize copyrights of other nations' artists. We stole like hell from anyone else.
illegal music and software.
Illegal music.
Why am I the only one I know who is terrified that possessing and listening to music can be illegal?
Well, about 99.999 percent of the Internet is crap. Toss away the PC -- what do you need it for anyway?
Pounding point home dept.: the answer to corporate takeover of a medium is not to dismiss the medium as worthless. YOUR favorite medium will be next.
Unless you want to watch daisies grow in the park for your entertainment pleasure, you have to fight sometime.
That's devious. Why didn't I think of that?
Oh, it was a response to what he was saying, so not really offtopic.
And hell no, I don't think it plausible at all that a lawyer would "steal" the idea -- it's like stealing the idea for a parking lot. But my points still stand: taking on a lawyer who wants to nail you to a wall that way is damned futile. I've watched the process too many times.
Thing is, taking on the lawyer who stole your idea means years of litigation, tens of thousands of dollars (could be hundreds, actually), and taking on a man who doesn't have legal fees because he is a lawyer. And that lawyer, since he knew he was going to screw you, carefully laid legal landmines in any path to get him.
And remember, this lawyer will have operated the radio station for years before you could get a judgement against him. And if he wears a nice suit, is friends around town, and is polite to the judge, I'd lay odds that the judge would elect not to shut down his thriving operation because some "tort-abuser" says he had the idea first.
If you aren't rich, you can't play.
Races survived ten thousand years or more because there were no easy ways of breaking up with a local tribe and move thousands of miles away. It was a matter of time and logistics.
Now we have planes, ships, and cars to move from region to region, and all of Europe and most of the Americas as a mixing bowl.
Vanish in 500 years? Dunno. Hm. They will melt together in specific areas, ie Europe and the Americas, far faster than in Asia, Africa and the Pacific nations. I would guess 500 years would be more than sufficient to melt the groups together. Look at Hawaii and the native Americans groups -- pretty fast merging.
Well, it could be the sound of the engines as experienced by the people inside the ship.
For me, the acid test is acceleration and deceleration. Does the ship always fire its engines when travelling towards a planet, accelerating towards the surface? I mean, does the ship turn tail forward and fire briefly to deorbit, or does it fire up its engines and drive towards the surface of the planet like a Winnebago on I-90? Will Whedon break Sci-Fi (Godzirra, Star Trek, anime, Star Wars, as opposed to SF, which is Heinlein, Clarke, etc.) and stop using the impossible visual model of the automobile to depict orbital mechanics?
Those who favorably compare Bush II to Jackson should take a bit of time to ponder what a genocidal jackass Jackson was.
Strong, yep. Opinionated, with the will to defy other branches of the government, yep.
But a genocidal racist who flouted the Constitution and the Supreme Court (let them come and enforce their decision!) he was as well.
Comparing the current admin's intransigence to Jackson's is damning with faint praise.
What frightens me about the remote-controlled puppet is that he (almost) never questions the lawyers.
He listens, but doesn't participate. Is it because, as some suggest, he usually has his mind made up already, before the proceedings? Or does he lack the mental equipment to participate?
Not idle questions. What is up with Thomas?
Ted Bundy was a manipulative liar who told his questioner what he wanted to hear. Any "facts" from Bundy are from a vicious sociopath who was playing with his audience -- ergo, nonsense.
There isn't any real reason to export the hardware's work to the CPU. Other than tying the win-WiFi's operation to Windows, exclusively.
Microsoft is making this card because no one else will -- the market doesn't want it.
But if MS makes it preferable, and cheaper, to hook the WWF to their products, then MS owns the WiFi market. Which means innovation in the wireless market is controlled by MS. And they've shown endlessly what they do when they own markets.
MS innovate? Nope, they copy -- and the real question is, if MS didn't own several markets, what innovation could have come from other sources, that are now gone forever?
Monopoly, regardless of the opinion of the Chicago School of legal activists, has only limited consumer benefits. One can measure how wonderful the world is with MS controlling hardware and software on the desktop. But how do you measure negative consequences -- what *didn't* happen because MS doesn't want change?
Damned straight. Maybe if we put a few of this criminals in federal maximum security prison for a round of Ozification, we would all sleep safer in our beds.
After all, the law is the law, and that's all that matters -- sanity need not apply...
"GM has spent over a billion dollars on this design."
GM spends about a billion dollars on every car model redesign, so that isn't a dire a sit sounds. And they spread the expense over a decade. And deducted the expense from their taxes, so taxpayers subsidized it to the tunes of hundreds of billions. And billions of tax dollars was sprqayed at the car companies to develop new tech, which they used to develop proprietary IP they get to keep -- not to mention bury in a hole, as well as using the patents to nuke similar lines of research by others.
So, GM did not even spend half of what they spend on a Grand Am redesign. And the Impact gave them lots of patents. And they are going to crush them all.
"Did enough people lease them? No"
Actually, there was a long waiting list of people wanting to lease them.