Tossing this in, because some context seems to be needed: this particular ex-spy has claimed to have proof that the Russian government were responsible the 1999 bombings that led Russia to declare war on Chechnya. If true, they are guilty of *bombing their own people* to get into a war, and if Putin was indeed behind it, he is an evil piece of shit that needs to be taken down.
Systematically, all the people who have been exposing Putin have been assassinated since this summer. The polonium trick almost worked, because the half-life would have made it disappear in a month. Someone thought of grabbing a geiger counter. And now Putin is shown to be responsible... which makes one reasonably certain that the spies who accuse him, and the reporter, were right about the 1999 mass bombings. And oh yes, the pedophila.
A major criminal is running a nuclear power, and is murdering those who are exposing him. Good thing Bush read his soul through his eyes, and pronounced him a trustworthy man.
So, South Park Republican, I assume. Keep that dirty foreign news away from American politics.
Sort of like an electronics tech insisting that no physics news show up on his newsfeed. They ARE related, you know.
Proud ignorance has lost your "War on Terror" because neither Bush nor his right-wing followers comprehend anything that happens outside of the United States. Listen: if you want to invade and conquer other countries, LEARN about foreign politics. It's sort of the absolute minimum requirement.
And oh yes, we won the election. DailyKos and all the rest of us in the Reality Based Community, as Rove or Cheney christened us in that famous "screw you realists" talk. Ignorant men invaded and killed a country, and lost power. Ignorant men wll refuse to care about the polonium poisoning on UK soil. Listen, if you want to be ignorant, just don't read. It's worked for you all before. If you don't care, don't comment. I'm sure Limbaugh has a rerun on somewhere.
Better that, than the ingnorami that Americans are so proudly becoming. I swear, so many apathetic male libertarians who think history is about the military, free markets, WW II and the defeat of communism. South Park Republicans. They have proudly marched to their standard bearer's beat, the ultimate fake educated man, George W. Bush.
Exactly right. But to this I add that not only does e911 service enable them to do all sorts of nifty tricks to great precision (given the uncertainty of the signal), they can provide the data to third parties who pay a nice fee for the tracking data. The user can opt-out, but no doubt theat can be quietly countermanded on the phone company's part.
What the new precision coupled with cheap data storage and mic monitoring means is that pretty much anyone can pay a fee or use influence to track every move you make or listen to what you do while you are holding that phone on your person. No police state in history has had such a dream become reality.
I saw the GPS tracking service actually used as plot point on Veronica Mars this season (3). VM sneakily switched on her boyfriend's third=party tracking menu option. Then she used her dad's *subscription* to GPS cell phone tracking data (Google it, there are a few!) to watch his movements in real time.
Leo LaPorte of ScreenSavers/TWIT fame uses a cell-phone tracking service subscription to monitor his kids.
And let's not forget what private investigators, political opponents, corporations, powerful cults (moonies and scientologists), reporters, your parents, the creepy guy across the street, insurance companies, prosecutors, sales departments, and people who plain don't like YOU can do with the data. Worry about terrorists? This IS terror! And I'm sure it'd be pretty useful for those o-so-feared killers as well. No trained guerilla fighter would ever use a cell phone, but they sure as hell will use that "anti-terrorist" tracking data to find selected victims in the future. Why use tinted windows and parked cars to track your target when you can just use a laptop?
Oh. yes, there are a couple of options. One is to turn it off completely. That is a software function, and as I said, don't believe it. They can turn it back on without you knowing about it. The second option is to opt-out of third parties monitoring your gps movements. Ditto.
That's why I am stumping for a physical switch on the circuit powering the gps module itself. Nuke it from orbit; it's the only way to be sure. Same for the mic.
I've been stumping for circuit cutoff switches for a year now. But it may be useless: it would be trivial for them to add a clause to your contract stating that you void your service if you mod the mic or GPS. And not too un-trivial to have the Feds add a law to make it illegal.
They need do neither. Simplest thing would be to make the power circuit to the mic or GPS integral to the operation of the phone. Kill either, kill the phone.
Solution? Should have been to use wireless networking and encrypted packets along with homemade handsets to build our own damned networks. But with the advent of lovely municipal wifi and private commercial wifi, it probably would be illegal. If not, they'd make it criminal faster than you can type a response to this post.
And if the contract states you owe them the remainder of your life's earnings, that's okay?
Those contracts run for pages to discourage reading. And frankly, they reserve the right to anything they desire, or will desire in the future. If you don't like it, you are free to own no phones for the rest of your life. "Competition" amongst carriers is worthless if they all are free to write open-ended wish lists, which they do.
"They can't have had the phone transmitting all the time"
They don't transmit all the time, but they do transmit "here I am" signals at regular, close intervals. And it would be trivial to use a little memory in the phone to store a stack of GPS coordinates, for use during the periodic "here I am" transmissions.
By federal law, all cell phomes sold in the US after 2004 have GPS tracking installed. You cannot even activate an older phone wihtout GPS if you, say, buy it on eBay. You are being tracked, and you've no choice in the matter. There is a deactivate option on your phone menu, but if you believe that you can believe that the police only convict guilty people.
It's pissing me off. I'm using an older phone, and eventually it will fail. I will not purchase a tracking device, so I guess I'll be untethered to a cell phone.
I want that GPS circuit separately powered, with a physical disconnect switch, or no go.
Nice catch, there. Americans have a self-worship mythology that is fully congruent with the Soviet's own. Ever read Hedrick Smith's "The Russians"? Seems you have, and a lot more besides: "Oliver Twist" is a good name for their attitude. What do we call the American's mirror concept? I've heard it called "exceptionalism", but something more pithy would be good. Any ideas?
A lot of innocent people have been robbed, imprisoned, tortured, and killed legally. Legal is not the same thing as right.
History, real history, is deemed so radical that Americans don't read it anymore. This I understand is why they seem to think law=good. Law is a set of rules laid down by powerful people. Read about Ethan Allen and the Green Mountain Boys; landowners, quite legally, stole farmers' own, purchased land and had them executed and imprisoned when they tried to resist the theft. The lawyers, judges, and magistrates were partners to the land theft, so the "Law" was writted to aid the thieves. A lot of people died.
Manzanar. Slavery. The Red Scare. The Haymarket Seven kangaroo trial. The Alien and Sedition Acts. The persecution under the law of gays by J. Edgar Hoover, himself a closet queen. Gitmo. Torture gulags we are currently operating around the world. The examples of "law" torturing and manipulating innocent people are endless.
And one BIG addition: I'm being way too pre-Bush here. They don't need juries anymore. Secret prosecutors with secret agendas can use e911 information to quietly, extralegally, make you disappear if they deem you a "terrorist". The standard of evidence is "I feel like it." Don't give the secret police an excuse to make you disappear. Don't give them more tracking information than they already have. Thousands have been kidnapped and shipped out of this country. It's not a theory, it's a brutal reality that we can't shut off because they aren't answering to us anymore.
"And an open-source cellphone will do you no good when the seperate mic runs straight off the battery inside the phone regardless if your phone is on or not. This is not much different then having the FBI tap your watch, cd-rom drive, or shaver... but I guess that would be pointless since you don't talk to any of those about your secrets right?...do you?"
This is why I've been stumping for a year for a handset that has a separate power citcuit for the e911 function. When I don't want it on, I don't want some personal enemy with police or Homeland Security contacts turning it on by not-so-secret handset codes transmitted by the carrier to override my wishes.
I knew about remove monitoring of the mic as well, but never thought about physically depowering it as well. Add it to the list.
We need handsets that are completely open source. No hidden compiled binaries with override code routes. I want a phone that I. Can. Shut. Off.
And keep in mind that the e911/GPS tracking data is available to anyone who pays a fee. THAT'S open. Anyone who wishes to can follow your movements in real time if the e911 function is on. And of course, there's a non-disclosed back door e911 activate code as well, bet your life on it, literally.
Why worry? Circumstantial evidence can get you executed. Just being near a crime, even without your knowledge, can get you convicted by a jury. Prosecutors make stuff up. They can spin quite a yarn, and juries tend to believe the serious guy in the suit as opposed to your scruffy face. Remember the family man in California who was convicted of arson and murder because his Safeway shopping card showed he had bought lighter fluid and matches (more or less) prior to the setting of the fire that killed his family? He was convicted and sentenced to death. If the real arsonist hadn't confessed, he's still be cursing God on Death Row. This is SERIOUS, people.
It's called "stealing the baggage". It's been going on for decades. Organized crime has had a hand in it for as long. I once saw my zip up bag coming down the carosel opened wide and spilling clothes down the conveyor. That was a looonnng zipper; took some doing to get that open. The asshats unloading the plane were looking for a quick uptick in their personal monetary portfolio.
"The source of germs in hospitals is SICK PEOPLE. Come on folks, how long are we going to let these sickos with their sniffles and oozing infections dirty up our hospitals ?"
The insurance companies are right on that. Pretty soon, only healthy people will be able to get insurance, QED no sickos in hospitals. Problem solved.
(But I don't like to be original, if the original post was dead on. Thanks, posting master control program!)
You can't get a plastic keyboard clean enough, often enough, no matter how hard you try. Someone will breathe on it or touch it constantly. But a flat surface, ceramic or steel, can be rubbed down with alcohol in seconds.
"The source of germs in hospitals is SICK PEOPLE. Come on folks, how long are we going to let these sickos with their sniffles and oozing infections dirty up our hospitals ?"
The insurance companies are right on that. Pretty soon, only healthy people will be able to get insurance, QED no sickos in hospitals. Problem solved.
Stallman is not a paranoid. He is a cynic, and an accurate one. He merely rips away all the happytalk and states the problem in stark terms. That's not paranoia, which is a loaded term come to be used by PR masters to smear opponents. That and "conspiracy theorist".
Stallman and I are old enough to remember how Microsoft has comported itself for a quarter century. They are consistent liars and cheats, and pointing this out is just a service to the yunguns who don't even remember MS criminally falsifying video evidence -- and getting caught red-handed, too -- at the monopoly trial. IF you or I had done that, we'd still be in federal prison. MS just had a president dump their criminality into the shredder, and then made even more monopoly money.
They perform no action idly. They've a plan, and it involves killing competition and keeping all the money in the world for themselves. It's a mission statement.
Precisely. It's a bet. That's why the EULA and the underlying fuzzyness has never been taken to a court. There's a chance that MS will find a Federalist Society judge or similar, and the precedent is established that vendor contracts are binding if your buy an object. OR a sane judge adjudicates against MS, and EULAs die.
At this point, it depends on which judge gets the case, what district the appeal is filed in -- some are hardcore Bushite/Reaganite, some not so much -- and how the Supreme Court deals with it come their turn at the bat.
I've come to the conclusion that the American illuminati hated the Russians because they were too alike, too close in methodology and goals, to the Americans. Now that all the ideology is stripped away, there really isn't much difference between the Bushes+the CIA and Putin+the KGB. Except that the Russians are so much better at the nasty stuff, as they aren't hampered by thinking of themselves as morally superior.
The ex-KGB boys used a poison that is produced at the rate of 10 grams per year worldwide. They didn't do it to be clever. They did it to send a message that they did it, there's nothing that can stop them, and when you fuck with Putin and the New Russian Order and you get a creative agonizing death.
Putin was behind it. So again with the reporter a few months ago. Protest, die.
Now that we know that our "ally" is putting the finishing trim on his capitalist dictatorship, how will our millionaire media airheads and our millionaire government respond? Do I hear crickets?
How does everyone know that child pornography is available everywhere on the internet?
Three explanations:
1. 23 year old Melanie on her webcam wearing pigtails is considered kiddie porn, in which case the knowledge is wrong. 2. "Everyone" just knows it is true, but never looks because it's wrong, and besides, the FBI is tracking everyone forever and keeping records for later persecution as needed, so who's gonna verify this legend? 3. A lot of people know there's kiddy porn out there because they access it all the time.
For all except #3, kiddy porn is therefore an unkillable legend and will be used to lock up every pc and user on the planet in an inescapable police state.
The outsourcing boom is not working so well. The number of CS grads is going down. The US salaries are going up.
What to do, what to do, they've got us by the short hairs again... what did we do before? Ah yes.
Convince Congress that we don't have enough people to do the job, and that those people who live here suck anyway.
Let the H1B's start a-flowin'!
Salaries go down, more American students won't take CS as a degree, then we can ask for more, cheaper slave slabor from abroad! Eternal power-down cycle! Win-win! $$ for us managers!
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Tossing this in, because some context seems to be needed: this particular ex-spy has claimed to have proof that the Russian government were responsible the 1999 bombings that led Russia to declare war on Chechnya. If true, they are guilty of *bombing their own people* to get into a war, and if Putin was indeed behind it, he is an evil piece of shit that needs to be taken down.
Systematically, all the people who have been exposing Putin have been assassinated since this summer. The polonium trick almost worked, because the half-life would have made it disappear in a month. Someone thought of grabbing a geiger counter. And now Putin is shown to be responsible... which makes one reasonably certain that the spies who accuse him, and the reporter, were right about the 1999 mass bombings. And oh yes, the pedophila.
A major criminal is running a nuclear power, and is murdering those who are exposing him. Good thing Bush read his soul through his eyes, and pronounced him a trustworthy man.
So, South Park Republican, I assume. Keep that dirty foreign news away from American politics.
Sort of like an electronics tech insisting that no physics news show up on his newsfeed. They ARE related, you know.
Proud ignorance has lost your "War on Terror" because neither Bush nor his right-wing followers comprehend anything that happens outside of the United States. Listen: if you want to invade and conquer other countries, LEARN about foreign politics. It's sort of the absolute minimum requirement.
And oh yes, we won the election. DailyKos and all the rest of us in the Reality Based Community, as Rove or Cheney christened us in that famous "screw you realists" talk. Ignorant men invaded and killed a country, and lost power. Ignorant men wll refuse to care about the polonium poisoning on UK soil. Listen, if you want to be ignorant, just don't read. It's worked for you all before. If you don't care, don't comment. I'm sure Limbaugh has a rerun on somewhere.
Better that, than the ingnorami that Americans are so proudly becoming. I swear, so many apathetic male libertarians who think history is about the military, free markets, WW II and the defeat of communism. South Park Republicans. They have proudly marched to their standard bearer's beat, the ultimate fake educated man, George W. Bush.
His degree was in... history?
Neocons leaving a defeated country alone and helpless to rot and fester, becoming a new totalitarian state? I can't imagine that happening again.
Exactly right. But to this I add that not only does e911 service enable them to do all sorts of nifty tricks to great precision (given the uncertainty of the signal), they can provide the data to third parties who pay a nice fee for the tracking data. The user can opt-out, but no doubt theat can be quietly countermanded on the phone company's part.
What the new precision coupled with cheap data storage and mic monitoring means is that pretty much anyone can pay a fee or use influence to track every move you make or listen to what you do while you are holding that phone on your person. No police state in history has had such a dream become reality.
I saw the GPS tracking service actually used as plot point on Veronica Mars this season (3). VM sneakily switched on her boyfriend's third=party tracking menu option. Then she used her dad's *subscription* to GPS cell phone tracking data (Google it, there are a few!) to watch his movements in real time.
Leo LaPorte of ScreenSavers/TWIT fame uses a cell-phone tracking service subscription to monitor his kids.
And let's not forget what private investigators, political opponents, corporations, powerful cults (moonies and scientologists), reporters, your parents, the creepy guy across the street, insurance companies, prosecutors, sales departments, and people who plain don't like YOU can do with the data. Worry about terrorists? This IS terror! And I'm sure it'd be pretty useful for those o-so-feared killers as well. No trained guerilla fighter would ever use a cell phone, but they sure as hell will use that "anti-terrorist" tracking data to find selected victims in the future. Why use tinted windows and parked cars to track your target when you can just use a laptop?
Oh. yes, there are a couple of options. One is to turn it off completely. That is a software function, and as I said, don't believe it. They can turn it back on without you knowing about it. The second option is to opt-out of third parties monitoring your gps movements. Ditto.
That's why I am stumping for a physical switch on the circuit powering the gps module itself. Nuke it from orbit; it's the only way to be sure. Same for the mic.
I've been stumping for circuit cutoff switches for a year now. But it may be useless: it would be trivial for them to add a clause to your contract stating that you void your service if you mod the mic or GPS. And not too un-trivial to have the Feds add a law to make it illegal.
They need do neither. Simplest thing would be to make the power circuit to the mic or GPS integral to the operation of the phone. Kill either, kill the phone.
Solution? Should have been to use wireless networking and encrypted packets along with homemade handsets to build our own damned networks. But with the advent of lovely municipal wifi and private commercial wifi, it probably would be illegal. If not, they'd make it criminal faster than you can type a response to this post.
And if the contract states you owe them the remainder of your life's earnings, that's okay?
Those contracts run for pages to discourage reading. And frankly, they reserve the right to anything they desire, or will desire in the future. If you don't like it, you are free to own no phones for the rest of your life. "Competition" amongst carriers is worthless if they all are free to write open-ended wish lists, which they do.
"They can't have had the phone transmitting all the time"
They don't transmit all the time, but they do transmit "here I am" signals at regular, close intervals. And it would be trivial to use a little memory in the phone to store a stack of GPS coordinates, for use during the periodic "here I am" transmissions.
By federal law, all cell phomes sold in the US after 2004 have GPS tracking installed. You cannot even activate an older phone wihtout GPS if you, say, buy it on eBay. You are being tracked, and you've no choice in the matter. There is a deactivate option on your phone menu, but if you believe that you can believe that the police only convict guilty people.
It's pissing me off. I'm using an older phone, and eventually it will fail. I will not purchase a tracking device, so I guess I'll be untethered to a cell phone.
I want that GPS circuit separately powered, with a physical disconnect switch, or no go.
Nice catch, there. Americans have a self-worship mythology that is fully congruent with the Soviet's own. Ever read Hedrick Smith's "The Russians"? Seems you have, and a lot more besides: "Oliver Twist" is a good name for their attitude. What do we call the American's mirror concept? I've heard it called "exceptionalism", but something more pithy would be good. Any ideas?
A lot of innocent people have been robbed, imprisoned, tortured, and killed legally. Legal is not the same thing as right.
History, real history, is deemed so radical that Americans don't read it anymore. This I understand is why they seem to think law=good. Law is a set of rules laid down by powerful people. Read about Ethan Allen and the Green Mountain Boys; landowners, quite legally, stole farmers' own, purchased land and had them executed and imprisoned when they tried to resist the theft. The lawyers, judges, and magistrates were partners to the land theft, so the "Law" was writted to aid the thieves. A lot of people died.
Manzanar. Slavery. The Red Scare. The Haymarket Seven kangaroo trial. The Alien and Sedition Acts. The persecution under the law of gays by J. Edgar Hoover, himself a closet queen. Gitmo. Torture gulags we are currently operating around the world. The examples of "law" torturing and manipulating innocent people are endless.
And one BIG addition: I'm being way too pre-Bush here. They don't need juries anymore. Secret prosecutors with secret agendas can use e911 information to quietly, extralegally, make you disappear if they deem you a "terrorist". The standard of evidence is "I feel like it." Don't give the secret police an excuse to make you disappear. Don't give them more tracking information than they already have. Thousands have been kidnapped and shipped out of this country. It's not a theory, it's a brutal reality that we can't shut off because they aren't answering to us anymore.
"And an open-source cellphone will do you no good when the seperate mic runs straight off the battery inside the phone regardless if your phone is on or not. This is not much different then having the FBI tap your watch, cd-rom drive, or shaver... but I guess that would be pointless since you don't talk to any of those about your secrets right? ...do you?"
This is why I've been stumping for a year for a handset that has a separate power citcuit for the e911 function. When I don't want it on, I don't want some personal enemy with police or Homeland Security contacts turning it on by not-so-secret handset codes transmitted by the carrier to override my wishes.
I knew about remove monitoring of the mic as well, but never thought about physically depowering it as well. Add it to the list.
We need handsets that are completely open source. No hidden compiled binaries with override code routes. I want a phone that I. Can. Shut. Off.
And keep in mind that the e911/GPS tracking data is available to anyone who pays a fee. THAT'S open. Anyone who wishes to can follow your movements in real time if the e911 function is on. And of course, there's a non-disclosed back door e911 activate code as well, bet your life on it, literally.
Why worry? Circumstantial evidence can get you executed. Just being near a crime, even without your knowledge, can get you convicted by a jury. Prosecutors make stuff up. They can spin quite a yarn, and juries tend to believe the serious guy in the suit as opposed to your scruffy face. Remember the family man in California who was convicted of arson and murder because his Safeway shopping card showed he had bought lighter fluid and matches (more or less) prior to the setting of the fire that killed his family? He was convicted and sentenced to death. If the real arsonist hadn't confessed, he's still be cursing God on Death Row. This is SERIOUS, people.
"failures in the barcode-based tagging system."
It's called "stealing the baggage". It's been going on for decades. Organized crime has had a hand in it for as long. I once saw my zip up bag coming down the carosel opened wide and spilling clothes down the conveyor. That was a looonnng zipper; took some doing to get that open. The asshats unloading the plane were looking for a quick uptick in their personal monetary portfolio.
"The source of germs in hospitals is SICK PEOPLE. Come on folks, how long are we going to let these sickos with their sniffles and oozing infections dirty up our hospitals ?"
The insurance companies are right on that. Pretty soon, only healthy people will be able to get insurance, QED no sickos in hospitals. Problem solved.
(But I don't like to be original, if the original post was dead on. Thanks, posting master control program!)
You can't get a plastic keyboard clean enough, often enough, no matter how hard you try. Someone will breathe on it or touch it constantly. But a flat surface, ceramic or steel, can be rubbed down with alcohol in seconds.
"The source of germs in hospitals is SICK PEOPLE. Come on folks, how long are we going to let these sickos with their sniffles and oozing infections dirty up our hospitals ?"
The insurance companies are right on that. Pretty soon, only healthy people will be able to get insurance, QED no sickos in hospitals. Problem solved.
Stallman is not a paranoid. He is a cynic, and an accurate one. He merely rips away all the happytalk and states the problem in stark terms. That's not paranoia, which is a loaded term come to be used by PR masters to smear opponents. That and "conspiracy theorist".
Stallman and I are old enough to remember how Microsoft has comported itself for a quarter century. They are consistent liars and cheats, and pointing this out is just a service to the yunguns who don't even remember MS criminally falsifying video evidence -- and getting caught red-handed, too -- at the monopoly trial. IF you or I had done that, we'd still be in federal prison. MS just had a president dump their criminality into the shredder, and then made even more monopoly money.
They perform no action idly. They've a plan, and it involves killing competition and keeping all the money in the world for themselves. It's a mission statement.
Precisely. It's a bet. That's why the EULA and the underlying fuzzyness has never been taken to a court. There's a chance that MS will find a Federalist Society judge or similar, and the precedent is established that vendor contracts are binding if your buy an object. OR a sane judge adjudicates against MS, and EULAs die.
At this point, it depends on which judge gets the case, what district the appeal is filed in -- some are hardcore Bushite/Reaganite, some not so much -- and how the Supreme Court deals with it come their turn at the bat.
I've come to the conclusion that the American illuminati hated the Russians because they were too alike, too close in methodology and goals, to the Americans. Now that all the ideology is stripped away, there really isn't much difference between the Bushes+the CIA and Putin+the KGB. Except that the Russians are so much better at the nasty stuff, as they aren't hampered by thinking of themselves as morally superior.
The ex-KGB boys used a poison that is produced at the rate of 10 grams per year worldwide. They didn't do it to be clever. They did it to send a message that they did it, there's nothing that can stop them, and when you fuck with Putin and the New Russian Order and you get a creative agonizing death.
Putin was behind it. So again with the reporter a few months ago. Protest, die.
Now that we know that our "ally" is putting the finishing trim on his capitalist dictatorship, how will our millionaire media airheads and our millionaire government respond? Do I hear crickets?
How does everyone know that child pornography is available everywhere on the internet?
Three explanations:
1. 23 year old Melanie on her webcam wearing pigtails is considered kiddie porn, in which case the knowledge is wrong.
2. "Everyone" just knows it is true, but never looks because it's wrong, and besides, the FBI is tracking everyone forever and keeping records for later persecution as needed, so who's gonna verify this legend?
3. A lot of people know there's kiddy porn out there because they access it all the time.
For all except #3, kiddy porn is therefore an unkillable legend and will be used to lock up every pc and user on the planet in an inescapable police state.
As long as you like black -- who doesn't? goodbye primer, paint, and/or clearcoat!
Gimme a blackened aluminum-skin electric roadster, please.
George W. Bush.
The outsourcing boom is not working so well.
The number of CS grads is going down.
The US salaries are going up.
What to do, what to do, they've got us by the short hairs again... what did we do before? Ah yes.
Convince Congress that we don't have enough people to do the job, and that those people who live here suck anyway.
Let the H1B's start a-flowin'!
Salaries go down, more American students won't take CS as a degree, then we can ask for more, cheaper slave slabor from abroad! Eternal power-down cycle! Win-win! $$ for us managers!