Side effect: anti-framing scripts will sometimes crash browsers (even with javascript disabled!) on YOUR site, preventing them from reading YOUR content entirely.
Proof of this claim, please?
Maybe I haven't tested enough user agents,
but simple, direct "frame-breaker" scripts
have never crashed anything on my tests.
I'm mildly calling bullsh!t until I see a
little evidence forthcoming on this matter.
Your claim may be true (please prove me wrong),
but it's very, very fuzzy.
- skeptical
Hooray for the most backward [...] state in the union!
Granted, I fled the state when I was graduated
from high school, but good ol' ND isn't the most
backward of states. I won't name states I believe to vie for that dubious distinction. I might be willing to suggest the direction one must head
from ND to find them, though.:p
The difference between the first post and your counterexample is that IBM very definately has non-public knowledge about (a) the future prospects of hard drive technology (b) potential replacements for mechanical hard drives.
I'll pass on the business theory for now. The likelihood that the original poster was engaging in something other than sophistic reasoning is about nil. IBM may possess the private knowledge to which you refer; I very much doubt the OP does.
If you had ever worked in the food industry (I don't know if you have), you would know that 99.9% of the people that ask for cola ask for Coke. [N]o need to get all technical.
Actually, I have, years upon years ago, both as a waiter and as a theatre manager (which, of course, involves concessions). It actually works both ways, where people ask for Coke or Pepsi as the default cola if they don't read the menu or observe the posted signs. To get technical, I believe there is some regional variation in use of the term Coke to indicate colas in general. Of course, apparent linguistic dominance doesn't demonstrate market dominance.
Unfortunately, this is Slashdot, and the thrust of your analogy, however well-intentioned, is greatly weakened by the reality of soda marketing viewed from the perspective you offered: competition. Within its domain, eBay has far greater pull than Coke in its own.
This being Slashdot, it would have been far more fitting to compare eBay and online auctions to Clear Channel and broadcast radio. Then some other obnoxious poster could pedantically complain about that analogy instead.:)
E-Bay has the brand, almost akin to Coke in the net auction sense. What I was wondering is if this is a good thing or a bad thing. Is there room for 2?
Were eBay really the Coke of the Internet, the answer would have to be "yes". It seems that Coke-drinkers forget about a little beverage called Pepsi. There's plenty of competition in the soda business. Plenty.
"Where are the major artists on the Web?", he asks. "Most MP3s are from unknown artists and most of the songs are crap!"
Damn. I knew I overlooked something obvious when I posted the above. Here's a reference - Bowie's words really do read like a/. troll, don't they? -
Queen Bitch.
Bank officials didn't return our calls, but BowieBanc has, reportedly, been folded into USABancShares, which is being investigated by the FDIC for alleged violations of banking regulations.
On the other hand, it seems the Thin White Duke
had a way with words back almost two years, with
respect to digital piracy -
"Where are the major artists on the Web?", he asks. "Most MP3s are from unknown artists and most of the songs are crap!"
I hope you meant to type out
bourgeoise
in the above line.
Re:USA may be in decline
on
The Almighty Buck
·
· Score: 2, Interesting
I'll feed the troll. This really isn't even off-topic. Come, feed the troll.
This is not pleasant for many people to hear, but there are signs that the USA may be in decline.
These words are nothing new. For as long as I've
been alive, and a tad bit farther back (to at least
the Fifties), people have been singing this refrain. The Commies, the Japanese, the Economy,
Flag-Burning, the Moral Majority, etc. There have
been any number of perceived threats to the nation,
big and small, that have led people to comment on
the decline of the United States. I'm certain similar things were said of alcohol consumption,
women's suffrage, equality for African Americans,
immigration, and other "threats" during the life
of this nation. We're not the same as we were, but we're still here.
I'm not even certain how you are assessing
this potential decline. You allude to "barbarians"
and the Roman Empire. Do you seriously think that
the United States is facing utter decline and its
own dissolution as a whole nation? Do you really
find your chosen analogy applicable or appealing?
This new Dept. of Homeland Security will be a massive government organ and take over many agencies who previously focus on more "peace time" tasks but now turns to security matters above everything else... USA will be more like a police state. There will be more overhead on productivity and creativity.
Intriguing. You point to what you label a genuine
threat to American interests, yet indict measures
taken to address them? In my opinion, it's a bit
early to declare definitively that the US is on a
one way trail leading to martial law and individual
oppression. There are signs that Dubya (or at least
his advisors) are
thinking critically about homeland defense.:P
History may not always repeat itself, and the USA does not have to follow the cycles of nations....
[America] needs the right policy to resolve the root causes of the productions of the external threats.
What is this cycle of nations to which you refer?
Seems to me that the root causes are quite involved, and that, in certain quarters, anti-American sentiment will exist for as long as there is an America. I'm not really certain what
one could reasonably propose as a solution. Neither
isolationism from world affairs nor thorough and direct intervention in the affairs of other nation states seem palatable, let alone congruous with traditional understandings of democratic ideals.
Have you a solution, or an idea to share, or do
you prefer simply to cry havoc?
How any of this springs from articles concerning Americans, their earnings, and their spending habits is beyond me.
I mean, c'mon... there is at least
one person who ported Apache to Windows CE
(ApacheCE),
so it's not like this particular example is unique
in terms of serving networked content.
One wouldn't even have to go through the pain of
configuring
Familiar Linux,
as was the case here.
Slow news day already?
Corporations will code to take advantage of all the neat little IE features.
(Where possible.) Nothing wrong with that, on balance, should it not prove disruptive to other users' experiences. "Corporations" aren't in lock-step with one another. I tend to visit a number of corporate sites; not all are hostile to agents other than IE. I've worked for companies that served financial corporations and other large interests, and the corps were always concerned about reaching everyone (in terms of user agent).
I guess other companies to which those particular corps outsourced work were better at being lazy and/or bluffing pan-agent content acceptance.:p
If everyone else except you are using IE, then what is the chance that anyone will bother fixing their web-pages so that they're viewable by your Mozilla browser?
I would, and I'm likely not alone. Mozilla isn't asking anyone to code to a special set of Web specs. If Mozilla is asking anything, it's asking that people code to a common set of specs, or at least the set most closely approximating that dream [W3C Standards]. And designers can freely ignore that request (of sorts), whether that's a wise choice depends on how many people one wants to turn away at the door before they really see what is offered in terms of content.
And I wouldn't do it for Mozilla alone, I'd do it for all the other "fringe" browsers out there: iCab, Omniweb, Lynx, Links, Opera, WebTV, etc. Again, I don't think I'm alone in trying to serve as many user agents as much usable content as reasonably possible.
Xzzy is right, it shouldn't matter one iota what other people are using insofar as caring about the particular branding of a user agent accessing the contact you deploy. Focus on capabilities and standards. It's not about IE or Mozilla, it's about the reality you seem to ignore: people will use what they have in front of them to view your work.
That could be anything. Be prepared.
Do people rate it enough for it to be considered overrated?
In certain circles, yes. I know a number of people
who have viewed the film multiple times that might
challenge your 1 in 100,000 claim.:p
It's not that I think it's a poor film. Just that
it isn't all that great... I don't think I would
ever recommend Solyaris to anyone as
"must-see" viewing. I'm trying to recall whether
I've ever recommended it as anything to anyone.
The only other film I can think of right now with a similar feel is Jean-Luc Godard's "Alphaville".
Well, see, now you're just asking for trouble. I'd place the adventures of Lemmy C. ahead of Solyaris, should push come to shove.
[T]here is also David Cronenberg's "eXistenZ", another excellent heady sci-fi film.
Heady? Sure. Excellent? Ummm... Much as I love
Cronenberg's work, eXistenZ isn't (again,
in my opinion) an excellent film. Somewhere
between Alphaville abd Solyaris,
perhaps.
I guess 'heady' only gets so far in my book, when
it comes to film. Headiness aside, I tend to value
other aspects of a film more, or at least to an
extent where 'headiness' isn't enough to pass
muster. Now, to think of a counter-example...
Why would you watch a film three times that you consider overrated?!?
Good question. I periodically (every few years)
rewatch films that I consider to be 'borderline'
in terms of my tastes. Solyaris is just
one of those films that I talk myself in viewing
again, "just in case I might want to change my
opinion." Maybe I should give it
one more chance...
Andrei Tarkovsky's Solaris is an amazing film, by the way, for the 99.999% of you who haven't seen it.
I'm in your 1 in 100,000 club. I've seen Solyaris three times. Still think it's an overrated film. And I tend to be forgiving in my estimation of films.:p
...feeling smarmy because you insist on posting with your (hard-earned, I'm sure) +1 privilege...
Two things puzzle me, however. First, why did you respond to an AC with something from MY site? Secondly, what does WC have to do with people getting drunk alone?
In answer to your first question: I mixed-up the posters in the thread. Don't ask how, but "No. It had nothing to do with alvohol in my system.":p
For example, Google is a great replacement for DNS, not functionally equivalent, but basically does the same thing but much more effectively.
No, not really. You seem to support replacing one
'middleman' with another [DNS -> Google]. Google is
good and all as a search engine, but I don't really
understand why you think indexing existing pages
and ranking content based on some scheme (a la
Google) somehow improves upon rational DNS entries
or eliminates the risk of underhanded manipulation
of whatever system is in use.
Yes, there are flaws with most DNS naming schemes.
No, it's not perfect. I'm skeptical of your claims
that a Google-ish system somehow fixes things for
everyone. It certainly would eliminate the ability
to go directly to a known resource without there
first being a 'search'... and a resource that was
'known' to be within the first n results might not
be a day, week, or month later. Maybe I'm missing
something, but where's the progess there?
Meanwhile, hosts would be identified how? Simply
by numeric address? I think earlier in-thread
comments need to be emphasized: DNS is for naming
hosts, not Web sites.
Much as I favor Google for blind Web searches, it
really hasn't attained a level of perfection as a
search engine alone and nothing else. I'm at a loss
to grasp what insight you possess into the workings
of Google and the nature of the Web as a whole to
believe -- as you must -- that there is complete
certainty/symmetry in what is 'out there' on the
Web and what Google presents to users.
Google certainly
doesn't function in a way analogous to DNS, and I
don't think that you should claim that something
"not fuctionally equivalent" could be seen fairly
as a "great replacement."
Pure Vacumn + Unfiltered UV Light + No Water + Heat/Cold Extremes = No Surviving Bacteria. What else are you going to do, swab the thing with alcohol?
You overlook the interior of the spacecraft,
at least for manned missions - possibly even for
unmanned probes that must release a mechanism from
within the vessel. Even should it be sterilized
before launch, there's no telling what might creep
in as it sits on the launchpad... that is, unless
the re-entry vehicle is completely contained and
only fully "exposed" post-launch. Perhaps someone
can comment or explain sterilization techniques
in use for past Mars missions.
Winners Circle is a new Operating system that shall be unique in several ways. It shall be a multitasking operating system built specifically to run under dos. It shall multitask by comand, not by timeslice, as windows does. This should make the operating system run faster and with more stability than windows 95 or 3.1
[...]
This is also going to be written entirely (as far as I can code - I already know my mouse code shall be assembly) in QuickBasic.
It's old, it's cliche, it's the fable of the Tortoise and the Hair. In this case it doesn't matter who gets there first, what matters is who gets there and stays there. Remember Leif Ericson?
Remember
Leif Ericsson?
WTF?
That has to be the most confused exegesis of
Aesop's fable
I have ever read.
Had the hare "gotten there" first (crossed the finish line), the race would have ended and
the tortoise would have lost, silly.
Slashdot Mirror
Side effect: anti-framing scripts will sometimes crash browsers (even with javascript disabled!) on YOUR site, preventing them from reading YOUR content entirely.
Proof of this claim, please? Maybe I haven't tested enough user agents, but simple, direct "frame-breaker" scripts have never crashed anything on my tests. I'm mildly calling bullsh!t until I see a little evidence forthcoming on this matter. Your claim may be true (please prove me wrong), but it's very, very fuzzy.
- skeptical
Hooray for the most backward [...] state in the union!
Granted, I fled the state when I was graduated from high school, but good ol' ND isn't the most backward of states. I won't name states I believe to vie for that dubious distinction. I might be willing to suggest the direction one must head from ND to find them, though. :p
You aren't in the rain making business. The OP started on a logical premise, you did not.
Please. leuk_he posted a self-admitted troll. I can only hope that you are he.
The difference between the first post and your counterexample is that IBM very definately has non-public knowledge about (a) the future prospects of hard drive technology (b) potential replacements for mechanical hard drives.
I'll pass on the business theory for now. The likelihood that the original poster was engaging in something other than sophistic reasoning is about nil. IBM may possess the private knowledge to which you refer; I very much doubt the OP does.
[I]s being a reflexive and shallow debunker and more productive than being simply gullible? Not really. Just different types of mindless behavior.
Absolutely. I predict that I put as much thought into my reply as did the original poster into his.
[IBM] just sold their Hard disk unit to [H]itachi. And a few days later they report a new storage format. Makes you think.
I just opened the front door to my house. And a few seconds later it started to rain really, really hard.
Makes you think...
If you had ever worked in the food industry (I don't know if you have), you would know that 99.9% of the people that ask for cola ask for Coke. [N]o need to get all technical.
Actually, I have, years upon years ago, both as a waiter and as a theatre manager (which, of course, involves concessions). It actually works both ways, where people ask for Coke or Pepsi as the default cola if they don't read the menu or observe the posted signs. To get technical, I believe there is some regional variation in use of the term Coke to indicate colas in general. Of course, apparent linguistic dominance doesn't demonstrate market dominance.
Unfortunately, this is Slashdot, and the thrust of your analogy, however well-intentioned, is greatly weakened by the reality of soda marketing viewed from the perspective you offered: competition. Within its domain, eBay has far greater pull than Coke in its own.
This being Slashdot, it would have been far more fitting to compare eBay and online auctions to Clear Channel and broadcast radio. Then some other obnoxious poster could pedantically complain about that analogy instead. :)
E-Bay has the brand, almost akin to Coke in the net auction sense. What I was wondering is if this is a good thing or a bad thing. Is there room for 2?
Were eBay really the Coke of the Internet, the answer would have to be "yes". It seems that Coke-drinkers forget about a little beverage called Pepsi. There's plenty of competition in the soda business. Plenty.
"Where are the major artists on the Web?", he asks. "Most MP3s are from unknown artists and most of the songs are crap!"
Damn. I knew I overlooked something obvious when I posted the above. Here's a reference - Bowie's words really do read like a /. troll, don't they? -
Queen Bitch.
Was ahead of his time by packaging and selling the rights to his current/future music back in the early 90s.
Unfortunately, BowieBanc didn't fare as well ("Bowie bank leaves the stage") -
On the other hand, it seems the Thin White Duke had a way with words back almost two years, with respect to digital piracy -
Visionary, or just outspoken?
According to the bougious pigs...
I hope you meant to type out bourgeoise in the above line.
I'll feed the troll. This really isn't even off-topic. Come, feed the troll.
This is not pleasant for many people to hear, but there are signs that the USA may be in decline.
These words are nothing new. For as long as I've been alive, and a tad bit farther back (to at least the Fifties), people have been singing this refrain. The Commies, the Japanese, the Economy, Flag-Burning, the Moral Majority, etc. There have been any number of perceived threats to the nation, big and small, that have led people to comment on the decline of the United States. I'm certain similar things were said of alcohol consumption, women's suffrage, equality for African Americans, immigration, and other "threats" during the life of this nation. We're not the same as we were, but we're still here.
I'm not even certain how you are assessing this potential decline. You allude to "barbarians" and the Roman Empire. Do you seriously think that the United States is facing utter decline and its own dissolution as a whole nation? Do you really find your chosen analogy applicable or appealing?
This new Dept. of Homeland Security will be a massive government organ and take over many agencies who previously focus on more "peace time" tasks but now turns to security matters above everything else ... USA will be more like a police state. There will be more overhead on productivity and creativity.
Intriguing. You point to what you label a genuine threat to American interests, yet indict measures taken to address them? In my opinion, it's a bit early to declare definitively that the US is on a one way trail leading to martial law and individual oppression. There are signs that Dubya (or at least his advisors) are thinking critically about homeland defense. :P
History may not always repeat itself, and the USA does not have to follow the cycles of nations. ...
[America] needs the right policy to resolve the root causes of the productions of the external threats.
What is this cycle of nations to which you refer? Seems to me that the root causes are quite involved, and that, in certain quarters, anti-American sentiment will exist for as long as there is an America. I'm not really certain what one could reasonably propose as a solution. Neither isolationism from world affairs nor thorough and direct intervention in the affairs of other nation states seem palatable, let alone congruous with traditional understandings of democratic ideals. Have you a solution, or an idea to share, or do you prefer simply to cry havoc?
How any of this springs from articles concerning Americans, their earnings, and their spending habits is beyond me.
I mean, c'mon ... there is at least
one person who ported Apache to Windows CE
(ApacheCE),
so it's not like this particular example is unique
in terms of serving networked content.
One wouldn't even have to go through the pain of
configuring
Familiar Linux,
as was the case here.
Slow news day already?
Corporations will code to take advantage of all the neat little IE features.
(Where possible.) Nothing wrong with that, on balance, should it not prove disruptive to other users' experiences. "Corporations" aren't in lock-step with one another. I tend to visit a number of corporate sites; not all are hostile to agents other than IE. I've worked for companies that served financial corporations and other large interests, and the corps were always concerned about reaching everyone (in terms of user agent).
I guess other companies to which those particular corps outsourced work were better at being lazy and/or bluffing pan-agent content acceptance. :p
If everyone else except you are using IE, then what is the chance that anyone will bother fixing their web-pages so that they're viewable by your Mozilla browser?
I would, and I'm likely not alone. Mozilla isn't asking anyone to code to a special set of Web specs. If Mozilla is asking anything, it's asking that people code to a common set of specs, or at least the set most closely approximating that dream [W3C Standards]. And designers can freely ignore that request (of sorts), whether that's a wise choice depends on how many people one wants to turn away at the door before they really see what is offered in terms of content.
And I wouldn't do it for Mozilla alone, I'd do it for all the other "fringe" browsers out there: iCab, Omniweb, Lynx, Links, Opera, WebTV, etc. Again, I don't think I'm alone in trying to serve as many user agents as much usable content as reasonably possible.
Xzzy is right, it shouldn't matter one iota what other people are using insofar as caring about the particular branding of a user agent accessing the contact you deploy. Focus on capabilities and standards. It's not about IE or Mozilla, it's about the reality you seem to ignore: people will use what they have in front of them to view your work. That could be anything. Be prepared.
Maybe Oliver Sacks can show up and explain it to us.
Reading this, I can only hope you aren't married or that your wife is at least a size 7 1/2.
Obligatory explanatory link(tm)
Do people rate it enough for it to be considered overrated?
In certain circles, yes. I know a number of people who have viewed the film multiple times that might challenge your 1 in 100,000 claim. :p
It's not that I think it's a poor film. Just that it isn't all that great ... I don't think I would
ever recommend Solyaris to anyone as
"must-see" viewing. I'm trying to recall whether
I've ever recommended it as anything to anyone.
The only other film I can think of right now with a similar feel is Jean-Luc Godard's "Alphaville".
Well, see, now you're just asking for trouble. I'd place the adventures of Lemmy C. ahead of Solyaris, should push come to shove.
[T]here is also David Cronenberg's "eXistenZ", another excellent heady sci-fi film.
Heady? Sure. Excellent? Ummm... Much as I love Cronenberg's work, eXistenZ isn't (again, in my opinion) an excellent film. Somewhere between Alphaville abd Solyaris, perhaps.
I guess 'heady' only gets so far in my book, when it comes to film. Headiness aside, I tend to value other aspects of a film more, or at least to an extent where 'headiness' isn't enough to pass muster. Now, to think of a counter-example...
Why would you watch a film three times that you consider overrated?!?
Good question. I periodically (every few years) rewatch films that I consider to be 'borderline' in terms of my tastes. Solyaris is just one of those films that I talk myself in viewing again, "just in case I might want to change my opinion." Maybe I should give it one more chance...
Andrei Tarkovsky's Solaris is an amazing film, by the way, for the 99.999% of you who haven't seen it.
I'm in your 1 in 100,000 club. I've seen Solyaris three times. Still think it's an overrated film. And I tend to be forgiving in my estimation of films. :p
Two things puzzle me, however. First, why did you respond to an AC with something from MY site? Secondly, what does WC have to do with people getting drunk alone?
In answer to your first question: I mixed-up the posters in the thread. Don't ask how, but "No. It had nothing to do with alvohol in my system." :p
In answer to your second: WC?
For example, Google is a great replacement for DNS, not functionally equivalent, but basically does the same thing but much more effectively.
No, not really. You seem to support replacing one 'middleman' with another [DNS -> Google]. Google is good and all as a search engine, but I don't really understand why you think indexing existing pages and ranking content based on some scheme (a la Google) somehow improves upon rational DNS entries or eliminates the risk of underhanded manipulation of whatever system is in use.
Yes, there are flaws with most DNS naming schemes. No, it's not perfect. I'm skeptical of your claims that a Google-ish system somehow fixes things for everyone. It certainly would eliminate the ability to go directly to a known resource without there first being a 'search' ... and a resource that was
'known' to be within the first n results might not
be a day, week, or month later. Maybe I'm missing
something, but where's the progess there?
Meanwhile, hosts would be identified how? Simply by numeric address? I think earlier in-thread comments need to be emphasized: DNS is for naming hosts, not Web sites.
Much as I favor Google for blind Web searches, it really hasn't attained a level of perfection as a search engine alone and nothing else. I'm at a loss to grasp what insight you possess into the workings of Google and the nature of the Web as a whole to believe -- as you must -- that there is complete certainty/symmetry in what is 'out there' on the Web and what Google presents to users.
Google certainly doesn't function in a way analogous to DNS, and I don't think that you should claim that something "not fuctionally equivalent" could be seen fairly as a "great replacement."
Think about it.
Pure Vacumn + Unfiltered UV Light + No Water + Heat/Cold Extremes = No Surviving Bacteria. What else are you going to do, swab the thing with alcohol?
You overlook the interior of the spacecraft, at least for manned missions - possibly even for unmanned probes that must release a mechanism from within the vessel. Even should it be sterilized before launch, there's no telling what might creep in as it sits on the launchpad ... that is, unless
the re-entry vehicle is completely contained and
only fully "exposed" post-launch. Perhaps someone
can comment or explain sterilization techniques
in use for past Mars missions.
As far as outside the spacecraft ...
perhaps bacteria would still survive?
what's wrong with hitting the bottle alone, though?!
These words from your site:
Uh-huh. Oh, yeah. Feel the burn ... of QuickBasic!
It's old, it's cliche, it's the fable of the Tortoise and the Hair. In this case it doesn't matter who gets there first, what matters is who gets there and stays there. Remember Leif Ericson?
Remember Leif Ericsson? WTF? That has to be the most confused exegesis of Aesop's fable I have ever read. Had the hare "gotten there" first (crossed the finish line), the race would have ended and the tortoise would have lost, silly.
Slow and steady wins the race.
lol