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Linux Beta Kernel 2.5.16 Out
dipfan writes "The latest beta version of the Linux kernel 2.5.16 is out, with some comments by Linus here, who was kept 'personally somewhat busy' by 'the interesting Intel SMP-P4 TLB corruption bug, which ends up being due to some very funky asynchronous speculative TLB fill logic'. Woo hoo. Mirrors, etc." We haven't been keeping up with the 2.5.x series, but a slow Sunday is a good excuse to catch up.
Does Linux support blast processing yet??
.. I am so going to submit my childhood stories to Slashdot. :)
I believe this when I see an editorial link to Micro$oft-NBC - the choice of Slashdot news sites...
Should invading one's peaceful neighbours be opposed, or rewarded with trade deals?
I prefer Linux myself, but a major and highly respected new *NIX distro release beats a beta kernel release and day of my 8-day week.
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Copyright Violation:"theft, piracy"::Anti-Trust Violation:"thermonuclear price terrorism"<-Overly dramatic language.
Anyone wanna start betting when the dev kernel will surpass the stable kernel?
3 versions to go....
-b
We haven't been keeping up with the 2.5.x series, but a slow Sunday is a good excuse to catch up.
According to kernel.org, the latest version of the 2.4 stable tree is 2.4.18 - which has been out for quite a while.
I don't read the kernel mailing list. Could someone who does tell us what we have to look forward to in the 2.4 line?
--saint
Anyone wanna start betting when the dev kernel will surpass the stable kernel? 3 versions to go....
It's really not that fantastic. 2.5 will probably go pretty high. The 2.3 kernel went to 2.3.51 before it jumped to 2.3.99 (look here).
It will be interesting how much work goes into 2.5 before 2.6.0 is released. Then we'll be able to start comparing what's new to 2.4.x. It is interesting that we're at 2.4.19 when the 2.2. kernel is at 2.2.20, IMHO.
My Karma was at 49, then they switched to words. All that work for nothing!
I bet it'll surpass it at 2.5.20, but that's just my guess...
Ok, I may be clueless here, but given this comment from Linus:
The TLB invalidate rewrite will likely have broken all other architectures (at least performance-wise, if not in any other way), so architecture maintainers look out!
Since it sounds like this was a P4 specific issue, and a P4 specific fix, shouldn't it have been #ifdef'ed for the architecture?
-Robert
MOD THIS DOWN!!! MOD THIS DOWN!!!
He's not singing the praises of linux. He's not ooh and ahhing at the latest buggy release. Mod this guy down; he's obviously a subversive bsd user who lives in the real world.
Anyone know why the development kernel and the stable kernel didnt adopt the VM patches which andrea did to his own VM ?
They remarkably enhance the system performance, what is holding it up ?
Anyone know what is being added in the 2.5 kernels? I have not been following them too closely...
works grrrreeeeat
I'm anxiously awaiting the next release already, thank god slashdot is keepeing me up-to-date and is also posting other interesting stories to make the the long wait more endurable.
kept 'personally somewhat busy' by 'the interesting Intel SMP-P4 TLB corruption bug, which ends up being due to some very funky asynchronous speculative TLB fill logic'.
That is what they all say.
Get your Unix fortune now!
Here's a list of mirrors.
Actually, you are flamebaiting a bit. One main difference between linux and windows is that the development and testing for linux is done in the open. So you can install a development or a testing kernel if you would like. Linux just gives you more options. If a kernel is working fine for what you are doing, then don't upgrade unless there is a security issue.
Please tell me how it is any worse than using Windows?
Come play Heroes of Might and Magic Mini online.
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o Hotplug CPU prep
Sweet.
On a slightly different note, is there a place that has (perhaps weekly) status updates on the Sparc64 kernel and related goodies?
The UltraLinux site hasn't been updated for a while. I'm thinking of putting Linux on my Ultra 30 for testing, and I'd like to run one of the newer kernels (2.5.x).
I'm looking at Gentoo as well, and I'm hoping that their Sparc64 ISO will be released soon.
Does anyone have more details on what asynchronous logic is in the P4 and why it was funky?
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Have you ever thought of becoming a slashdot editor?
At best, I would call the development series "alpha". Beta implies that the kernel is ready for general testing prior to release, and there are few known showstopper bugs.
When 2.5 goes -rc, or Linus starts making prereleaserr noises, then go ahead and call it "beta". Until then, it's the type of thing you inflict on a computer you don't mind messing around with.
Someday, you're going to die. Get over it.
a slow Sunday is a good excuse to catch up.
No. A slow Sunday is a good excuse to go spend time with your loved ones, take a walk, go to church, and enjoy a home cooked meal with your family.
So why am I reading slashdot on a Sunday?
The masses are the crack whores of religion.
Very few people upgrade their kernel with each new release. Most security problems are patchable. Custom kernels in embedded applications generally cannot be upgraded. Most often these OS's are burned on a ROM. By nature even if not read-only embedded systems are tough to hack, (they generally lack the common tools that can be exploited) so security much easier than a workstation. Windows has critical security flaws discovered almost daily. The patches and service packs have caused problems in the past.
What you don't like makes Linux. These interim kernels are what maintain Linux's amazing stability, even when massive new feature sets are added in the major kernel releases.
I'd like to know "When will Windoze be done?"
This kernel looks very stable so far. The only trouble I got is with the keyboard. Sometimes, it blo
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Fix it now, motherfuckers!
Does Linux support blast processing yet??
"Blast Processing" is the name of the sprite engine that Sega used in Sonic 2 and Sonic 3 for Sega Genesis. Here are some Genesis emulators for UNIX and Linux systems. DGen is pretty good.
Will I retire or break 10K?
Does Linux support Windows yet?
Using the WINE binary compatibility layer, an x86-based GNU/Linux system running an X11 server can run many applications designed for Microsoft Windows.
Will I retire or break 10K?
Some people have already started: http://kernelnewbies.org/status/latest.html. Some of these will probably get backported into 2.4.
Some of the big changes/additions are: block IO, JFS (IBM file system), alsa, support for 64bit amd, preemption, a new NTFS driver and ide clean ups.
Fine, I will try Windows XP. Could you please
direct me to the download site so I can run it
on my m68k-nommu processor? Also, because I don't
want to be tied to one vendor, tell me where I can
download the source code. I have an open mind
I will concider using XP, but until Micrsoft can
GPL their code, I am afraid, there can never be any comparison
between Windows and Linux.
Not true. Many embedded Linux devices boot from
flash (which makes the kernel upgradable). THe
fs is mounted read-only, and if you wish you can
remount them rw, or switch to a writable filesystem.
For most devices, your assumptions to your argument are not correct.
Ah, thats the answer. Upgrade your hardware! Spoken like a true microsurf.
Gordon we know its you at Microsoft Research standing next to Linus see all those great Transmeta Processors just kinda got to you like back in the good old VAX days when you VAX guys like Cutler gave us that load of shit called NT. Gordon whats the matter cannot read the code thats right its not coded in your great language Visual Bullshit & Virus Script. Hey must be busy trying to develope some games kinda stuck well heres one you love to play MICROSOFT MONOPOLY. WidowsXP thats right lots of bloat on that goat. WindowsXP looks like an operating system made for Senator Hollings and Eisner at Disney. We do not need extra bloat and security holes created by XP . XP clustering HAHAHAHAHHAHH........XP has enough trouble each day just rebooting as it chews up you data into useless bits. Gordon you can clone it but everyone will know what a cheap imitation it is just like your clone of MAC LISA and VAX EXTENDED.
Jesus - can't people around here take a joke. Note the title of my post: Mode = Astroturfing.
The only thing that XP can cluster is a cluster fuck.
Moneyed corporations, non-working 'poor' and criminal prisoners are turning productive citizens into tax-slaves.
2.4 is at 2.4.19 because of the VM screwup mostly. Otherwise the smaller changes probably would have been put into larger batches.
I have a for host in *.mycompany.com script that will automagically update all our production machines at once. Who needs up2date, Red Carpet, and all that crap? Ha-ha.
It's DEVELOPMENT kernel you Micro$oft flunky...
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
not to mention the fact that 2.0 went as high as 38 (but the last version I ran was 36). Those were the days when everyone was compiling new windowmanagers, kernels and everyone was anxiously awaiting for a good browser to replace Nutscrape 4.72
Personally though, I can't wait until 2.6... I know someone who's working on some of the new graphics stuff in his spare time (the new graphics layer is code named "Ruby"), and there will be some sweet stuff. The DRI, framebuffer, Video4Linux, etc. systems will all be made into one unified kernel interface, which will be user friendly and capable enough to (almost) program graphics applications in bash! Imagine (device names are changed to protect the innocent
Not to mention we'll finally be able to ditch X on the desktop for the framebuffer without losing OpenGL support, and let X do what it was meant to do: thin clients and network terminals.
A solution to the problem with music today
We haven't been keeping up with the 2.5.x series, but a slow Sunday is a good excuse to catch up.
And we've been happy! Please, this isn't a spider to check for every time a changelog is updated...
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However, this does not alter the main point made here (though made in ignorance). The user can generally not upgrade an embedded kernel willy-nilly.
Because you are a lonely atheist nerd, sitting in a wheelchair with pizza brought home from Pizza Hut?
please split up the linux kernel stories from other stories; just create a new topic
windows is easy to update, it even has it's own program, windows update. your can update it at the click of a button!
Also check out the Open Source Development Lab's Scalable Test Platform. You can use STP to run your kernel patches and test code that you upload to OSDL's big iron hardware, or you can download the STP source code so you can use it as a test harness on your own machine.
(I should add the STP to my article but haven't gotten around to doing so yet).
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When we're going to see XFS in the mainstream kernel?
http://www.freebsd.org/news/status/report-feb-2002 -apr-2002.html#SMPng "Some of the current works in progress include locking for the kernel linker by Andrew Reiter and light-weight interrupt threads for the i386 by Bosko Milekic. Seigo Tanimura-san, Alfred Perlstein, and Jeffrey Hsu are also working on locking down various pieces of the networking stack. Alan Cox has started working on fixing the existing locking in the VM subsystem and moving bits of it out from under Giant. John Baldwin has written an implementation of turnstiles as well as adaptive mutexes in the jhb_lock Perforce branch. The adaptive mutexes appear to be stable on i386, alpha, and sparc64, but the turnstile code still contains several tricky lock order reversals. John also plans to commit the p_canfoo() API change to use td_ucred in the very near future and then finish the task of making ktrace(4) use a worker thread."http://daily.daemonnews.org/view_story.php 3?story_id=2891Alan Cox works on SMPng? :
0 02 -apr-2002.html#SMPng
Jon Disnard nospam@fake.org Saturday, May 18 @ 2:24 pm
This snippet of text from the link bellow caught my eye
Alan Cox has started working on fixing the existing locking in the VM subsystem and moving bits of it out from under Giant.
http://www.freebsd.org/news/status/report-feb-2
So does Alan still work for Red Hat? Is this a case of the grass being greener on the other side of the fence?
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Garrett Rooney rooneg at electricjellyfish.net Saturday, May 18 @ 8:20 pm
It's a different Alan Cox. There is an Alan Cox that works on Linux, and an Alan Cox that
works on FreeBSD.
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It was a fucking JOKE! Got it?
I am always thrilled to see another increment in the versioning number for the Linux increment. Every increment means another nail in the coffin of Solaris.
The holy grail is an IBM p690 (a.k.a. Regatta) running Linux and serving as the heart of the military data-processing in the Pentagon. "The Penguin at the Pentagon".
I noticed that with all the page widening trolls happening, every one was whinging about /. not fixing their code, but no one expected Microsoft to fix theirs.
Microsoft - Where would you like to go today, Maybe Jail?
who was kept 'personally somewhat busy' by 'the interesting Intel SMP-P4 TLB corruption bug'
known to the rest of us as 'Episode II: Attack of the Clones'
Does anyone else agree with me that the 2.4 maintainer needs to pick up the pace on releases?
Changing a VM in mid-"stable"-stream has the tendency to bump up the version number. :)
Who cares about linux kernel XX.XX.XX? It's still not as stable and high performance as FreeBSD. It's time we spread the word that people have a better alternative to that kludge of Unix(TM) rip-off.
2.4 is supposed to be stable and released. As someone who doesn't actively follow Linux releases and the issues with them but was rather disappointed with the quality of early 2.4 releases, I'd assumed the long wait after 2.4.18 indicates that they've stopped screwing around with the VM and had something that worked OK.
Yes, but any common sense or logical thought gets modded down immediately, so you screwed from the start buddy. Don't take it so hard. It happens to the best of us.
If there was a "-1 Not Funny", that'd be my most used mod.
There hasn't been a *prepatch* of the 2.4 series since the 2nd of the month! What's going on here?!
throw a "were" in there somewhere. bah.
> I'd like to know "When will Windoze be done?"
"When Lotus won't run", of course!
(No applause, just throw money...)
That is an old page. it says what is new in 2.5.1, we are now at 2.5.6!