I think it's safe to say that the majority of pages on the internet have more errors than the page-that-I-abandoned...
Relative to the amount of markup within a specific
document? No, I'd have to say that your farewell
page is likely at (possibly above) standard markup
error levels.
I also think it's safer to say that a page [...] targe[t]ing people [...] in an anal retentive geek community needs to be more strict about their HTML than a 19 year old girl who is writing stupid things...
That's a terribly unenlightened view for someone
who
partially self-identifies
with the geek community (whatever that is).
Excusing poor markup management with reference
to browsing audience doesn't hold much truck,
either. Recommended standards don't change for
the unobservant or uncaring.
Diagnostics tools are not used because most people in most situations simply do not care.
The referenced study actually reported 95.3% use
of MSIE, down from 96.6% as reported the
month before. I don't care if it's true, the
audience of users to whom I serve web documents
is far more diverse. I believe it would be foolish
to permit numbers of overwhelming IE dominance
sway you into the IE-centric camp of Web design.
Here are my overall use percentages. In cases
such as those which feed the numbers below, I
don't really have much choice but to be agnostic
about the browser in use. Percentage of documents
(HTML only) viewed by various browsers, top ten:
60.13% MSIE (order: 5.x, 6.x, 4.x, 3.x)
9.37% Netscape (order: 4.x, 6.x, 3.x, 7.x)
8.56% Opera (order: 6.x, 5.x, 4.x, 3.x)
7.14% Mozilla (order: 0.x.x, 1.x.x)
5.43% Identified Robots [!!!]
2.57% Konqueror (order: 2.x, 3.x, 1.x)
2.04% Galeon (order: 1.x, 0.x)
1.40% AOL (order: 7.x, 6.x, 5.x, 4.x)
1.05% Mac MSIE (order: 5.x, 4.x)
0.66% Lynx
I really won't go into reasons why I've split AOL
or Mac IE from Win IE... I could rejoin them or
group all the Gecko-based browsers together, but
the above provides me with a pretty clear indication of why I shouldn't care whether 95% of
those not visiting my sites are using IE exclusively. Would I really want to forfeit over
1/3 of my visitors' experiences? Would you?
Interesting? People don't close tags...
Tsk Tsk. They should be more careful.
Yeah,
tell meabout it.
(I apologize for selecting a DTD for you.)
You get your own *buzz* now.
Maybe I ought to have stated that I find it
interesting (still) that obvious markup errors
persist when several diagnostic and
corrective tools exist. Somehow, I think that
point would be lost on you.:p
The results link posted above
(http://project.honeynet.org/reverse/results/)
is wonderfully tortured HTML... with
the pleasing side-effect of triggering
a mouseover color change for over half
the text in the opening paragraph when
rendered with Mozilla.
Yeah, I agree, they don't look real, they look like they've been bought and paid for.
Well, you're half correct: they *are* paid for,
but they're real and not "bought". A close friend
of mine was one of those called out by Apple
to meet with the ad people and shoot a spot for
the series. He later did some voiceover work for
them (radio spots, I assume).
Perfectly normal guy; a "real" person. Yes, he
was paid for rights to broadcast what they had
recorded of him for the promo spots. No, that
doesn't mean they bought him to use as a puppet.
He just told them why he liked his TiBook and
iPod.
Then again, he didn't make the final cut for the
present collection of spokespeople, and he's not
certain they were planning on airing more people
at a later date...:p
Foiled again. Here I was preparing some
smarmy comment about how many people would
be driven to search for the watch on eBay...
guess I'll have to think up a crackpot post
claiming that
rvrtrader
is none other than
TheGreatOrangePeel,
queuing the story on/.
to boost bids...
oh, wait, did I type out my thoughts again?
$95,000 USD is fairly cheap to move all of Blender's IP into GPL.
Ton's proposal
for the Foundation didn't explicitly state (unless I missed it) how the group would obtain the starting cash.
You give an obvious answer, but you don't ask the
obvious question:
What is the significance of the
"I'm Feeling Lucky" graphic included
in that collection of images?
Kinda shot yourself in the foot while it
was dangling out of your mouth, huh?
Re:At least they follow their own advice.
on
Built For Use
·
· Score: 1
Ebay has just changed their My Ebay page (see reactions here [ebay.com], sprung on users without any warning and it's awful.
Amen. Though it's not really awful, just overdone.
And the changeover doesn't really address the UI
issues in the last design of eBay. Oddly enough, I
think they tried to launch it a few days before it
became permanent, as I recall it being there one
moment, then gone in a few minutes... two or so
days later and *poof* it reappeared for good.
What is definitely 'awful' is that is was sprung
with no prior notice, as though the changes would
somehow explain themselves to users.
Note, too, that they've now added a little Flash
widget on the front page of the site that scrolls
various items. I wonder who told them that text
creeping by horizontally in a Flash object would
somehow improve sales...
For people who may have misread the summary
as I did...
The Economist article concerns game
consoles. Given the range of topics on/.
it very well may have been about "consoles"
(e.g., WYSE terminals).
Indeed. [G]oing with something like the ibm z50 is probably preferable... and can be pretty cheap on ebay.
Relatively cheap. I picked one up on eBay (complete) for ~$150, including shipping. I meant to run NetBSD on the beast (as you suggest) but I've been too lazy to bother with it (given that booting into NetBSD on the machine means clearing out WinCE apps installed, requiring restoration from backup of those apps later, and I actually get some use out of the WinCE apps at present). The z50 is nice, but the screen doesn't compare well to other similar devices, such as the Aero 8000, and the MIPS processor is a tad underpowered, even for WinCE 2.11 - maybe I'll dump the z50 and commit to my Aero?
In North Dakota where, we had a total of 5 murders last year, they are installing cameras all over, privacy is gone in public.
Up from 4 in 2000?
Kidding aside, from what I remember from my years
in the state, a number of murders committed (and
with the low absolute totals, it needn't be many)
occur away from areas where I assume such cameras
would be installed: back county roads, farmhouses,
etc. Maybe my perception was skewed at the time -
my mother (who still lives in Fargo) doesn't think
the area surrounding the town's sole bus station
is all that safe. Go figure.
My only guess is that such camera installations
are meant to deter other criminal actions: theft,
mugging, rape, etc. I wonder how effective they'll
be come a harsh winter when most are bundled rather
thoroughly.:p
Ex-Parrot:
I don't think I need or want Slashdot to tell me what is or isn't ethical.
Lemmy Caution: Then they don't need or want you telling them that it isn't ethical for them to tell you what is or isn't ethical.
Technically, Ex-Parrot only stated what he didn't need or want, not that he believed it unethical for/. to inform him (hypotheticaly) of ethics. Don't confuse desire for ethics.
Open source bugs can be fixed by anyone,
but closed source bugs need to be fixed by vendors
[...]
Correction: open source bugs can be fixed
by anyone with requisite knowledge,
talent, and time. This would include
things such as familiarity with the
particular software package, affected
platforms, and programming language and
the energy and ability to ferret out the
bug(s) and apply an appropriate fix. Then
one has to factor in that package maintainers
may or may not readily allow outside submission
(e.g., bigotry, internal/peer review, etc.) of
fixes, which may slow, hamper, or block the
transmission of fixes. Add into this issues of
trust, where a "fix" is offered by someone who
lacks proper credentials (official or "street")
to someone who has no clue how to evaluate the
original issue or the proposed remedy.
Granted, given the nature of open source software,
the population of people who may repair a bug may
be larger than that for closed applications, but
that doesn't force into being an army of people
with the inclination or skills to do so, or an
effective and trustworthy means to distribute said
fixes.
I favor the potential for open source to improve
response time to bugs, but I don't think one can
claim "anyone" can address issues in an appropriate
manner. There's no reason a skillful and organized
firm couldn't address security concerns for a
closed application it offers with any less
celerity than maintainers of an open application.
Slashdot Mirror
I think it's safe to say that the majority of pages on the internet have more errors than the page-that-I-abandoned...
Relative to the amount of markup within a specific document? No, I'd have to say that your farewell page is likely at (possibly above) standard markup error levels.
I also think it's safer to say that a page [...] targe[t]ing people [...] in an anal retentive geek community needs to be more strict about their HTML than a 19 year old girl who is writing stupid things...
That's a terribly unenlightened view for someone who partially self-identifies with the geek community (whatever that is). Excusing poor markup management with reference to browsing audience doesn't hold much truck, either. Recommended standards don't change for the unobservant or uncaring.
Diagnostics tools are not used because most people in most situations simply do not care.
I can agree with this. Draw your own conclusions.
From the article (I made the link a bit more obvious):
The referenced study actually reported 95.3% use of MSIE, down from 96.6% as reported the month before. I don't care if it's true, the audience of users to whom I serve web documents is far more diverse. I believe it would be foolish to permit numbers of overwhelming IE dominance sway you into the IE-centric camp of Web design.
Here are my overall use percentages. In cases such as those which feed the numbers below, I don't really have much choice but to be agnostic about the browser in use. Percentage of documents (HTML only) viewed by various browsers, top ten:
I really won't go into reasons why I've split AOL or Mac IE from Win IE ... I could rejoin them or
group all the Gecko-based browsers together, but
the above provides me with a pretty clear indication of why I shouldn't care whether 95% of
those not visiting my sites are using IE exclusively. Would I really want to forfeit over
1/3 of my visitors' experiences? Would you?
Numbers are great. Context is better.
Interesting? People don't close tags ...
Tsk Tsk. They should be more careful.
Yeah, tell me about it. (I apologize for selecting a DTD for you.)
You get your own *buzz* now.
Maybe I ought to have stated that I find it interesting (still) that obvious markup errors persist when several diagnostic and corrective tools exist. Somehow, I think that point would be lost on you. :p
Signed,
Puzzled over Neuroticia's death and apparent rebirth.
The results link posted above (http://project.honeynet.org/reverse/results/) is wonderfully tortured HTML ... with
the pleasing side-effect of triggering
a mouseover color change for over half
the text in the opening paragraph when
rendered with Mozilla.
Hey, I found it interesting...
Be nice and don't kill this guy's downloads page.
As deterrant as telling children they may get their own cookies from the jar, but to take only one.
Monkeyman334
Monkelectric
Android's Dungeon & Baseball Card Shop closed a little early tonight, didn't it?
Remember: Preview is your friend.
Yeah, I agree, they don't look real, they look like they've been bought and paid for.
Well, you're half correct: they *are* paid for, but they're real and not "bought". A close friend of mine was one of those called out by Apple to meet with the ad people and shoot a spot for the series. He later did some voiceover work for them (radio spots, I assume).
Perfectly normal guy; a "real" person. Yes, he was paid for rights to broadcast what they had recorded of him for the promo spots. No, that doesn't mean they bought him to use as a puppet. He just told them why he liked his TiBook and iPod.
Then again, he didn't make the final cut for the present collection of spokespeople, and he's not certain they were planning on airing more people at a later date... :p
You can buy one here.
Foiled again. Here I was preparing some smarmy comment about how many people would be driven to search for the watch on eBay ...
guess I'll have to think up a crackpot post
claiming that
rvrtrader
is none other than
TheGreatOrangePeel,
queuing the story on /.
to boost bids ...
oh, wait, did I type out my thoughts again?
$95,000 USD is fairly cheap to move all of Blender's IP into GPL. Ton's proposal for the Foundation didn't explicitly state (unless I missed it) how the group would obtain the starting cash.
Perhaps they are hoping for an angel investor of their own?
Of course the question is which one will /.ers puts more credence in?
Az with eevry othr /. storie,
hoovre speeled theres' th beste.
Speaking of NIST Internet Time Service ...
a simple
public domain ITS client for Windows
can be found over at the
NIST Time and Frequency Division Web Site.
There's plenty of handy documentation, too.
The Japanese have a word for 'flying squirrel', disturbing.
You want disturbing? Check out the logo.
Duh... use google :)
You give an obvious answer, but you don't ask the obvious question: What is the significance of the "I'm Feeling Lucky" graphic included in that collection of images?
Spare me the sob story, boy. IE 5.5 for Mac is one of the best browsers ever...
There is no such thing as IE 5.5 for Mac. Silly AC.
Kinda shot yourself in the foot while it was dangling out of your mouth, huh?
Ebay has just changed their My Ebay page (see reactions here [ebay.com], sprung on users without any warning and it's awful.
Amen. Though it's not really awful, just overdone. And the changeover doesn't really address the UI issues in the last design of eBay. Oddly enough, I think they tried to launch it a few days before it became permanent, as I recall it being there one moment, then gone in a few minutes ... two or so
days later and *poof* it reappeared for good.
What is definitely 'awful' is that is was sprung
with no prior notice, as though the changes would
somehow explain themselves to users.
Note, too, that they've now added a little Flash widget on the front page of the site that scrolls various items. I wonder who told them that text creeping by horizontally in a Flash object would somehow improve sales...
No. It should have been:
For people who may have misread the summary as I did ...
The Economist article concerns game
consoles. Given the range of topics on /.
it very well may have been about "consoles"
(e.g., WYSE terminals).
Clarity isn't a four-letter word.
Indeed. [G]oing with something like the ibm z50 is probably preferable... and can be pretty cheap on ebay.
Relatively cheap. I picked one up on eBay (complete) for ~$150, including shipping. I meant to run NetBSD on the beast (as you suggest) but I've been too lazy to bother with it (given that booting into NetBSD on the machine means clearing out WinCE apps installed, requiring restoration from backup of those apps later, and I actually get some use out of the WinCE apps at present). The z50 is nice, but the screen doesn't compare well to other similar devices, such as the Aero 8000, and the MIPS processor is a tad underpowered, even for WinCE 2.11 - maybe I'll dump the z50 and commit to my Aero?
Actually the murder rate increased 1400% in a two year period in ND [...] I can't recall the actual years.
1994-1996.
Anybody wanting to buy [an IBM PC110] should be able to find one on ebay fairly cheaply.
That is, until you took pains to draw attention to the device on /.
In North Dakota where, we had a total of 5 murders last year, they are installing cameras all over, privacy is gone in public.
Up from 4 in 2000? Kidding aside, from what I remember from my years in the state, a number of murders committed (and with the low absolute totals, it needn't be many) occur away from areas where I assume such cameras would be installed: back county roads, farmhouses, etc. Maybe my perception was skewed at the time - my mother (who still lives in Fargo) doesn't think the area surrounding the town's sole bus station is all that safe. Go figure.
My only guess is that such camera installations are meant to deter other criminal actions: theft, mugging, rape, etc. I wonder how effective they'll be come a harsh winter when most are bundled rather thoroughly. :p
Ex-Parrot: I don't think I need or want Slashdot to tell me what is or isn't ethical.
Lemmy Caution: Then they don't need or want you telling them that it isn't ethical for them to tell you what is or isn't ethical.
Technically, Ex-Parrot only stated what he didn't need or want, not that he believed it unethical for /. to inform him (hypotheticaly) of ethics. Don't confuse desire for ethics.
I find it ironic that the real threats to the U.S. are elected...
I find it comforting. At least we know where to find them, then.
Open source bugs can be fixed by anyone, but closed source bugs need to be fixed by vendors [...]
Correction: open source bugs can be fixed by anyone with requisite knowledge, talent, and time. This would include things such as familiarity with the particular software package, affected platforms, and programming language and the energy and ability to ferret out the bug(s) and apply an appropriate fix. Then one has to factor in that package maintainers may or may not readily allow outside submission (e.g., bigotry, internal/peer review, etc.) of fixes, which may slow, hamper, or block the transmission of fixes. Add into this issues of trust, where a "fix" is offered by someone who lacks proper credentials (official or "street") to someone who has no clue how to evaluate the original issue or the proposed remedy.
Granted, given the nature of open source software, the population of people who may repair a bug may be larger than that for closed applications, but that doesn't force into being an army of people with the inclination or skills to do so, or an effective and trustworthy means to distribute said fixes.
I favor the potential for open source to improve response time to bugs, but I don't think one can claim "anyone" can address issues in an appropriate manner. There's no reason a skillful and organized firm couldn't address security concerns for a closed application it offers with any less celerity than maintainers of an open application.