("he" is generic here, I don't mean to imply the person who wrote this is of one gender or another, I know that terms like "sie" and "hir" are probably less known on/. than in other groups where gender discrimination is considered a more important issue that must be tackled. This isn't the 1950s any more, or even the kind of Star Wars crap where women are seen as bearers of future Jedi who stay home and get all emotional and lose the will to live when their partners turn to the Dark Side)
for someone so fucked up by the PC police, one would have thought you'd know the difference between gender and sex.
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What do you use it for?
My day to day programming work in php & python & shell If it wasn't for the lack of modern web browser (a herculean programming task) it would be the only terminal I needed. As you may gather from my other posts I run OpenBSD and vnc into that.
It is worth using for the text edit alone : Acme You can try it yourself on Unix likes with the plan9port or even just run the acme clone Wily. But with Wily you won't see the power of user space file systems.
% srvssh freddy %
and now freddy's file system is mounted in my file tree at/n/freddy and all transfers ssh encrypted. (and freddy is an OpenBSD box with u9fs in my ~/bin - no kernel frigging required)
% ftpfs -a drskwid@slashdot.org ftp.openbsd.org % and now ftp.openbsd.org is mounted at/n/ftp
once mounted I can use my normal shell commands such as grep awk sed etc. on the files in those directories
I have some scripts on freddy that I only need when connected to freddy. Simple : bind -b/n/freddy/home/matt/bin/plan9/bin and now the files on freddy appear in my/bin
this is the mechanism that enables one to boot a terminal on any of the supported architectures and have the same set of binaries available
at boot one has the following bit in one's profile:
bind -a $home/bin/$cputype/bin
thus whether I'm running on my AMD64 PC or my Arm IPAQ I have the same binaries in my path
I could go on about the plumber, secstore, factotum, venti,
plan9 is easy to install, it even boots from the CD into graphical desktop mode I had it up and running the first day I tried it, when Ver 3 was announced here on/.
I have the auth server running on a stock VIA EPIA 5000 fanless board, my fileserver is a stock IBM Netfinity 5000 and my terminal is an Athlon with an nvidia gforce
I have put in quite a bit of effort in the meantime though, it is a bit to learn but being consistent, everything is a file, makes learning one aspect tranfer on to an other.
I did trawl ebay for suitable parts for a while but people's contributed drivers since ver 4 have made life much simpler, esp. the addition of the nvidia driver
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> Yes my friend. We're not in 1976 anymore. Thirty years of CS development must be reflected in an OS. We have higher standards now.
file name completion is an admission that the VT CLI has failed
I use plan9, one day *your* standards may reflect mine
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* No file name completion.
anyway you're wrong, even in rc I have readline compiled
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* No file name completion. * No colored directories. * Update the system by recompilation (yay!)
I know a page where one can get a patchset against 1.01 and compile but I like my systems and vanilla as possible, ports & packages only, then I can reliably install a new box via script
One of the troubles is, is that there is no One True Way to package one's MIME to have it rendered as HTML in a person's Email client.
is one supposed to even use MIME at all ?
Some clients, such as Outlook Express, will happily cope with just a Content-Type: text/html in the headers though these days OE doesn't auto-download anything not attached such as images or ActiveX Controls !
Some people use nested multipart/alternative like so:
9p has been around for 15 years and reference code is even Open Source these days.
v9fs on sourceforge for Linux alows mounting remote 9p servers and u9fs is a 9p server for other unix likes.
I use plan9 to edit files on my hosted Linux / FreeBSD / OpenBSD boxes at the co-lo and on the LAN. plan9 usefully mounts the remote file system into my file tree so one can grep sed awk cut join etc. as normal as though the files were local.
Excuse me but I must just say one thing : fuck java, fucking fuck off and die
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but I'm curious as to how Solaris runs IIS 6.0, surely they don't have Windows for load balancing !
; telnet www.ebay.co.uk 80 Trying 66.135.192.78... Connected to www.ebay.co.uk. Escape character is '^]'. HEAD / HTTP/1.1 host: www.ebay.co.uk
HTTP/1.1 200 OK Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0 Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 17:34:17 GMT Connection: close Server: WebSphere Application Server/4.0
In my experience, logging each request to a database isn't fast enough and eventually it becomes CPU overloaded.
tab separated plain text logging is just fine and dandy. Syslog is great because it has a standard format so any tools you make will just keep on trucking.
If you want a db of it do it in batch mode when you need it i.e.
zcat messages.0.gz | syslogtodb | grep httpd | mysql httpd
Why waste those CPU cycles indexing millions of lines of logging you'll never look at ?
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("he" is generic here, I don't mean to imply the person who wrote this is of one gender or another, I know that terms like "sie" and "hir" are probably less known on /. than in other groups where gender discrimination is considered a more important issue that must be tackled. This isn't the 1950s any more, or even the kind of Star Wars crap where women are seen as bearers of future Jedi who stay home and get all emotional and lose the will to live when their partners turn to the Dark Side)
for someone so fucked up by the PC police, one would have thought you'd know the difference between gender and sex.
What do you use it for?
/n/freddy and all transfers ssh encrypted.
/n/ftp
/n/freddy/home/matt/bin/plan9 /bin /bin
:
/bin
/n/somefile somefile.tar /n/somefile somefile.zip
/n/somefile
My day to day programming work in php & python & shell
If it wasn't for the lack of modern web browser (a herculean programming task) it would be the only terminal I needed. As you may gather from my other posts I run OpenBSD and vnc into that.
It is worth using for the text edit alone : Acme
You can try it yourself on Unix likes with the plan9port or even just run the acme clone Wily. But with Wily you won't see the power of user space file systems.
% srvssh freddy
%
and now freddy's file system is mounted in my file tree at
(and freddy is an OpenBSD box with u9fs in my ~/bin - no kernel frigging required)
% ftpfs -a drskwid@slashdot.org ftp.openbsd.org
%
and now ftp.openbsd.org is mounted at
once mounted I can use my normal shell commands such as grep awk sed etc. on the files in those directories
I have some scripts on freddy that I only need when connected to freddy. Simple : bind -b
and now the files on freddy appear in my
this is the mechanism that enables one to boot a terminal on any of the supported architectures and have the same set of binaries available
at boot one has the following bit in one's profile
bind -a $home/bin/$cputype
thus whether I'm running on my AMD64 PC or my Arm IPAQ I have the same binaries in my path
I could go on about the plumber, secstore, factotum, venti,
want to look in a tar / zip file
fs/tarfs -m
fs/zipfs -m
ls
I'll leave the rest for you to read through
I'm not confused, the original poster was
/.
plan9 is easy to install, it even boots from the CD into graphical desktop mode
I had it up and running the first day I tried it, when Ver 3 was announced here on
I have the auth server running on a stock VIA EPIA 5000 fanless board, my fileserver is a stock IBM Netfinity 5000 and my terminal is an Athlon with an nvidia gforce
I have put in quite a bit of effort in the meantime though, it is a bit to learn but being consistent, everything is a file, makes learning one aspect tranfer on to an other.
I did trawl ebay for suitable parts for a while but people's contributed drivers since ver 4 have made life much simpler, esp. the addition of the nvidia driver
> Yes my friend. We're not in 1976 anymore. Thirty years of CS development must be reflected in an OS. We have higher standards now.
file name completion is an admission that the VT CLI has failed
I use plan9, one day *your* standards may reflect mine
* No file name completion.
anyway you're wrong, even in rc I have readline compiled
* No file name completion.
* No colored directories.
* Update the system by recompilation (yay!)
these are bad things ?
read http://daily.rotten.com and you'll soon see that *your* life is a paradise, provided you're not featured of course.
For an early introduction into what you *could* become, take a look at the poor fuckers on the mother site
yes perhaps I should
no, wait a minute, I run BSD on Sparc & plan9 on x86
I only run Linux by force !
it's the follow part I'm trying to avoid
i like -stable =)
aw come off it
partitioning HD's is Computer Building 101
spend an evening to understand it and it will put in good stead for the rest of your life
3.6 is stuck on 0.8
does my head in
I know a page where one can get a patchset against 1.01 and compile but I like my systems and vanilla as possible, ports & packages only, then I can reliably install a new box via script
we want 0 day !!
my $ is on it taking less than 7 days to find unencumbered versions
all this is old hat to plan9 users, these things have been in the plan9 for 15 years
/n/filename filename.tar
/n/filename
/n/azip somezip.zip && cat /n/azip/file.nfo
/n/yesterday
/usr/skwid/ /n/yesterday/
we write user level file systems that just mount into your namespace when you feel like it
want to see what's in a tar
fs/tarfs -m
ls
how about a zip
fs/zipfs -m
or
cat yesterday.tar.bz2 | bunzip2 | fs/tarfs -m
diff
and when you close that shell window they will all be gone but the tars remain
ah, such bliss
Have you ever tried making HTML emails by hand ?
:
One of the troubles is, is that there is no One True Way to package one's MIME to have it rendered as HTML in a person's Email client.
is one supposed to even use MIME at all ?
Some clients, such as Outlook Express, will happily cope with just a
Content-Type: text/html in the headers though these days OE doesn't auto-download anything not attached such as images or ActiveX Controls !
Some people use nested multipart/alternative like so
1 multipart/alternative
1.1 multpart/alternative
1.1.1 text/plain - 7bit encoding
1.1.2 text/html - 7bit encoding
1.2 cid:1 base64 encoded
and some send it
1 multipart/mixed
1.1 multipart/related
1.1.1 multipart/alternative
1.1.1.1 text/plain - quoted-printable
1.1.1.2 text/html - quoted-printable
1.1.2 cid:1 base64 encoded
to finish writing and park the drive heads.
I don't know if it's true but it's what he said
9p has been around for 15 years and reference code is even Open Source these days.
v9fs on sourceforge for Linux alows mounting remote 9p servers and u9fs is a 9p server for other unix likes.
I use plan9 to edit files on my hosted Linux / FreeBSD / OpenBSD boxes at the co-lo and on the LAN. plan9 usefully mounts the remote file system into my file tree so one can grep sed awk cut join etc. as normal as though the files were local.
Excuse me but I must just say one thing : fuck java, fucking fuck off and die
your boss is an ass hat
it's *very* simple to have an ftp server with the source code
it's very simple to use CVS to host your project on source forge
so, we'll keep shouting, thank you very much, we don't need no stinkin' favours
You should go find out the path from ATT - MS Xenix - SCO
I've never noticed any hardware incompatibilities between versions and i've used both extensively.
Not extensively enough to try Bluetooth on 4.x
I had a horrible situation where I had to dual boot for my Wavelan (4.3) and my Bluetooth (5.1)
if the western govts stopped freaking out about cannabis then there wouldn't need to be so many dead trees.
Hemp produces more pulp per acre than timber on a sustainable basis, and can be used for every quality of paper.
Guess what sort of paper the Declaration of Independence is written on.
Ebay And SUN
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Powered By Sun services and solutions
Sun helps to power eBay's Global Marketplace.
eBay has chosen Sun's Solaris Operating System and its suite of low-cost Solaris servers and Java software to help power the The World's Online Marketplace. If you're running a business like eBay's, or have similar aspirations, get some Sun.
but I'm curious as to how Solaris runs IIS 6.0, surely they don't have Windows for load balancing !
; telnet www.ebay.co.uk 80
Trying 66.135.192.78...
Connected to www.ebay.co.uk.
Escape character is '^]'.
HEAD / HTTP/1.1
host: www.ebay.co.uk
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0
Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 17:34:17 GMT
Connection: close
Server: WebSphere Application Server/4.0
"Overclocking should only go so far"
you lose
In my experience, logging each request to a database isn't fast enough and eventually it becomes CPU overloaded.
tab separated plain text logging is just fine and dandy. Syslog is great because it has a standard format so any tools you make will just keep on trucking.
If you want a db of it do it in batch mode when you need it i.e.
zcat messages.0.gz | syslogtodb | grep httpd | mysql httpd
Why waste those CPU cycles indexing millions of lines of logging you'll never look at ?
really ? I finished it on Hard in two evenings.
Quake 1 was much better imho (those shamblers!), with Half-Life 1 as teh daddeh
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