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How to Cool Your PC with Dry Ice
Ant writes "This Madshrimps article is a complete guide to working with dry ice so you can reach sub-zero temperatures with your CPU and graphics card. Details on building containers, where to buy dry ice and important tips and tricks. (Seen on Blue's News.)"
That device looks unweildy and is undoubtedly exceeding the max weight limit intel or amd would want you to use for a heat sink. Quite frankly i don't see the point of a computer that requires you to fill it daily in order to run it. Overclocking should only go so far, they have some nice professional compressor based solutions that should be able to achieve similar performance without the hassle of purchasing dry ice on a regular basis. One I know is called vapochill. Dry ice with no load is around -75 C whereas the vapochill should be around -45 C
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And if you were to go the dry ice route, since AFAIK dry ice isnt conductive, why don't they just build the entire computer into an icebox (not the hard drive), and put a regular passive heat sink on the processor rather than construct that monstrosity of plumbing. I would think the overclocked memory and chipset would benefit equally as well. Oh and of course throw in some sacks of silica gel in there, don't want to have condensation now.:]
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I don't want to buy dry ice. Isn't there a good way to make it at home?
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WOW....I just increased my processor from 2.2ghz to 2.3ghz.
After liquid metal and liquid nitrogen, here comes dry ice! What's next?
A computer makes it possible to do, in half an hour, tasks which were completely unnecessary to do before.
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Unless you've a tale to tell about the time you tried to overclock your cat with dry ice, this thread isn't the place for your post.
BTW, the thing about cats is that they have dignity. Dogs do not. You can tell from this simnple thought experiment:
Kick a dog, and kick a cat. The dog will come back for more; the cat will rip your curtains to shreds, then leave, never to return. Now tell me, which is the superior animal?
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You can achieve a temperature of less than -100 F just using a big stack of (LARGE) thermoelectric coolers. With TECs, you can keep your CPU that cool 24/7 without using up dry ice!! The hot end of the stack generates an incredible amount of heat though -- A large fan is needed to dissipate the heat from the monsterous heat sink. Your computer could be used as a space heater in the winter!
Dry ice isn't made from water! That's why it's dry ;)
Why not just refrigerate the case instead? You can overclock your 3 ghz machine to 3.04 ghz and keep your brewskis cold at the same time!
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Sure. If your freezer goes to 11.
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So would you have to hire people to shovel this ice into the CPU just so _you_ could get your porn in multiple tabs in firefox ? This comes to mind: http://image30.webshots.com/30/3/56/25/229835625YR BxIE_ph.jpg
yes; but anybody spending this much time to comment on articles at slashdot really needs to get out more.
no wait. maybe the author does not post useless posts and instead writes this stuff up.
Obviously the one that didn't ruin your shit.
According to some dude mentioned in some bestseller (the bible I believe it was called), the dog would be the superior animal, because it turns the other cheek.
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Sure, more dangerous. But probably more handy to build and could last longer. Valve set to slow dripping, pipe outlets (possibly with some spraying tips) over the radiators, possibly even electric valve with some temperature feedback loop - temperature rising, pour more, temperature dropping too much, cut off. 1 liter is something like 6 cents in bulk, so it should last quite long. Sure pouring a bucket of liquid nitrogen over a PC won't do much good, but you should be able to release it as slowly as you only desire, so...?
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I have been puzzled by x86 users' preoccupation with heat for quite some time.
Wouldn't it be a lot cheaper and easier to just use a processor that doesn't get so friggin' hot? Like a PowerPC or Crusoe...
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On the plus side, this device hardly seems like something that could be mass-produced profitably. On the minus side, the dangers of dry ice, the border-line exorbitant cost of maintenance, and what appears to be a customized fit to the PC at hand (i.e.: it doesn't look like they could take that monster out and put it into another PC) makes me wonder what the point of this is. And I think I know exactly ;)
No. I've seen the FP complaining that it can't access the site
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It would get rather expensive using dry ice over time, somehow I think its more a "proof-of-concept" rather than useful in the real world.
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Placing granular dry-ice into a copper container next to your CPU/GPU isn't going to result in very efficient heat transfer. If you're really going to try this, I recommend floating the dry ice in some sort of organic solvent (don't try water, as it'll freeze) and setting up some sort of agitator system.
An even better setup would be to setup a water-cooling-like system, with dry ice in a container filled with solvent above the system. The solvent would be fed into a heat exchanger on top of the CPU/GPU. No pump would be necessary, because, as the solvent in the heat exchanger heats up, it'll float up to the top, where it'll be cooled down again by the dry ice.
In any case, the costs of such a system would probably outweigh any benefit of using it.
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I needed dry ice for a demo at work and in searching around I found out that the Kroger grocery store chain (at least in the Richmond, Va area) sells dry ice! They have a super-insulated freezer at the front of the store, and sell it by the pound.
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I'd certainally not use this in a confined space! A Cooling system that can make you feel crap and sleepy? No thanks!
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The best part is the fog that will come out of your computer... it'll look real cool with all your blue lights shining through it, and *yawn* why am I getting so sleepy?
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Rather hard. It involves cooling or compressing carbon dioxide till it freezes into ice. Extreme pressures, very low temperatures and LOTS of carbon dioxide.
In basement apartments all over the US and Canada, a rare breed of computer users called "overclockers" have been found dead in troublesome numbers. The cause of death appears to be lack of oxygen, although there are never signs of struggle.
The only thing the crime scenes have in common is each victim is found next to a burned-out computer and an empty styrofoam cooler.
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Or more exactly, if your freezer goes down to -110 F.
(Actually, it's usually done by pressure liquification of CO2, followed by evaporative cooling. If you have a source of LCO2, you can buy a gizmo to make it at home; cheaper models from other companies exist. Commercial production machines are a lot more pricey.)
Remember the Steven Wright joke? "If I melt dry ice, can I swim without getting wet?
Now these "ladykillers" are going to have to pack their router and network cables in dry ice.
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Electronics chips aren't made for huge differences in temperature, I wouldn't recommend cooling with dry ice. In the US, only Mil Spec chips are specified to the range of temperatures that using dry ice would cause.
For example, a few years ago, there was some research that seemed to point out that tooth decay was caused by micro cracks in the enamel, caused by extremes in temperature in the mouth (ice water, hot food, etc.)
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Good job Nikademus....if I had the time and money, I would try and do other such experiments. Now how do you get the fish smell out of the motherboard? :)
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I don't want to buy dry ice. Isn't there a good way to make it at home?
Yup, really amazingly simple.
Just take your anhydrous CO2 tank, connect it to a dry ice mold (almost like a rigid fine-meshed cheesecloth box, you could probably hack one together if you don't already have one), and let 'er rip until the mold fills.
You can even still use the waste CO2 (a lot) for something else, with a careful setup - Just make sure the pressure drop occurs in the mold rather than at some point down-stream.
You obviously don't know many dogs nor cats.
And obviously you're a cliché-loving person.
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PV=nRT - decrease pressure P and T decreases. It's easier and more fun that way.
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From what I recall dry ice has a pretty low heat capacity. Even though it's cold it can't suck up that much heat per gram - not really too useful as a coolant.
Which is why I specified it as a thought experiment.
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The quote in your sig is fantastic. To it, I would respond, "I noticed."
... like How to Cool your PC with Bose-Einstein Condensate just so we finally get to the ultimate extreme end of things and never have to see another stupid cooling story again?
Can we just get a category for "cases and cooling"? Crust almighty...
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I know everyone, let's use a GREENHOUSE GAS to cool our computers.
I work with two scanning electron microscopes with WDS detectors which require liquid nitrogen for cooling of the detectors (for noise reducation). Being a liquid, it's much easier to work with than I imagine dry ice is. Just dispense and pour (while wearing gloves and goggles, of course). Of course LN2 is not nearly as easy to come by as dry ice, it's MUCH colder, at -320F vs -109F for dry ice. Of couse, I don't forsee a time when LN2 will EVER be easily available, but that shouldn't stop geeks that DO have access to it from experimenting a little...
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Rime from water and other substances is a major problem in cryo work. So is heat transfer. We normally use acetone or isopropyl alcohol in vacumm trap cold bath dewars to improve heat transfer.
One of the problems with many of these deep cooling systems is condensation. And condensation of water within your computer is not good.
Kick a dog, and kick a cat. The dog will come back for more
Unless it's a Pit Bull. Then you'll be pulling back a bloody stump. He's already angry from being OCed with a block of dry ice tied to his head, now you've gone and kicked him...
WHATEVER THE HELL THAT IS!
"Another important concern with dry ice is ventilation. You want to make sure the area is well-ventilated. "
Have you considered the many possibilities that asphyxiation has to offer?
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Why don't you just make ten colder and make ten be the top... number... and make that a little colder?
Plus they're easier to overclock with dry ice.
And as some other dude once said: Cats are catholyc and dogs are protestant. Don't remember what dude though.
Touché, Sir.
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shame on you for kicking defenseless animals.
Hey, don't knock it 'til you've tried it.
Dry ice is used extensively by professional marijuana growers. They also use a lot of extra power for their lamps.
You will probably go onto the government's terrorist watch list if you are using dry ice to cool a computer that is sucking down too many watts of power.
What isn't dry ice good for? -Creating a skating rink in your dorm. -Cutting coins for the coffee machine. -Cooling a laser capable of popping a houseful of popcorn from miles away. Now you can add cooling your computer to that list!
Seems like it's been done.
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... working with dry ice so you can reach sub-zero temperatures...
Oooh! Now I can finally reach that pesky -1 Kelvin!
Cats don't make good Catholic, they are unable to fel guilt.
What are you, a shill from Sys-con, too stoned to realize this is the wrong topic?
Carbon has a +ve 4 valency. Oxygen has a -ve 2 valency (in their atomic forms). Therefore, one atom of Carbon OXIDIZES and combines with two atoms of Oxygen. OXIDATION produces stable compounds, like rust. What did you smoke when they taught basic chemistry in school?
Carbon Dioxide is a Fire Retardant (something you must've inhaled when young). It smothers fires by not allowing Oxygen to OXIDIZE the combusting material. It was, in fact, the first modern fire extinguisher.
ONCE AND FOR ALL, CARBON DIOXIDE DOESN'T BURN!!! THE CARBON'S PROPENSITY IS ALREADY SPENT!!!!
YOU !@#$% IDIOT, HOW DO YOU EVER GO NEAR WATER? ISN'T THAT EXTREMELY VOLATILE HYDROGEN MIXED WITH COMBUSTION ENHANCING HYDROGEN??????
I'd really like to know where this retard picked up such gems of information, and how he did manage to log on and post here.
-clueless
Well, just because YOU are a moran...
And when you get tired of overclocking, put a handful of magnesium turnings in the center of a big block of dry ice. Ignite.
Note that the resulting fire is not extinguished by either water or CO2. It can also blind you or permanently damage your retina and/or burn you to death.
But what the hey, it's fun!
Use one as the base.
Use two in the second layer.
Use 4 in the third layer.
On top of that place a large heatsink and massave fan or a watter cooling system hooked up to a large heatsink and fan.
As long as you use thermoelectric rated for the operating temperature each layer is going to sit at you can stack them like this and get to vary low operating temperatures.
PS: It would be more effecent to use the inner loop of an AC unit instead of a few layers of thermoelectric cell's.
Feed the extra CO2 into your greenhouse. You'll boost your plant productivity - density and growth rates.
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Anhydrous means "there is no water in it".
Actualy if you make a very strong, sealed mold, you can fill it with LCO2 from a commercial cylinder or fire extinguisher. after the mold is filled with LCO2, shut off the supply and vent the mold to atmospheric pressure and instant dry ice with very little waste.
One thing that suprized me about the article is that a European site would publish it, isn't that CO2 that nasty stuff that's destroying the environment, at least according to those greenish europeans? Commercial quantities of CO2 aren't exstracted from the atmophere, it realease chemicaly from limestone!
They did this on The Screen Savers (that is, the GOOD Screen Savers) years ago.
Completely right: I expect dry ice to cause lots of trouble, including the ones you mentioned (though condensation may be overcome by covering everything with grease like in the article). Also the _large_ difference in temperature could be dangerous, as it may cause cracks in the die of your CPU. Besides: why do you need it to be _that_ cool? There is a difference between sinking a lot of heat (useful in PCs) and making stuff _really_ cold (useful in satellite receivers). I would welcome a robust and preferably cheap method for the _sustained_ removal of heat, rather than an expensive method of overcooling your CPU which requires a consumeable and is dangerous. (though it's a cool hack)
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I have two different water based cooling systems which do a great job of cooling the CPU and Graphics chips. If I every want to go colder I could drill a couple of holes in my mini fridge and pump the coolant through either the freezer or the 'warmer' section. Problem is condensation on the lines and the cooling blocks. I have found the trying to cool my system that low is not worth the cost. Mine run at room temp + 10 degrees which is good enough for me.
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On another note, will a cpu really function properly in that cold of a temperature? I've got some other hardware sometime back in the dead of winter with labels "please allow to get to room temparature before operating". In other words, if the heat wont kill you, the cold will.....
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These stunts remind me of a valuable lesson learned many years ago (before I had a job to afford real toys) when I was 'overclocking' a portable radio. I wanted it loud - too poor to buy a real amp, I noticed the main amp IC got real hot, and then the sound sucked. So I cooled it by putting a plastic bag filled with ice in it on the chip - that worked! Could crank the volume to about 85% without annoying distortion.
Next step - from school science class I recalled that adding salt lowered the temp of the ice. Refilled the bag with salt and crushed ice and reapplied. Now I could crank the volume up to full and not have fuzzy music.
The lesson came an hour or so later when the system went silent due to the water from condensation shorting the circuit.
Cooling to below the dew point is stupid. Build the most powerfull cooler possible that keeps the CPU above the dew point and that will be cool. Hack together some cute trick to just make things cold is expensive in the long run.
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Has anyone ever pointed out to an obsessive overclocker that letting silicon get too cold is as bad as letting it get too hot? PHYSICS LESSON - if a silicon chip gets too hot, too many electrons occupy higher energy 'conductive' states, so semiconductivity becomes less efficient - HOWEVER - if the chip is too cold, it takes a bucket more energy to get them up there in the first place, so again, the chip operates less efficiently. Dunno what the optimum temperature is, but lets just say that using liquid nitrogen WILL MAKE YOUR COMPUTER GRIND TO A HALT. It'd be a good laugh though. Ok - I've finished now.