If a person is really interested in the process of building kernels, they should also look into the Buildkernel script home page. http://users.dhp.com/~whisper/buildkernel
> If a person cannot figure out how to read and assimiliate the abundance of information regarding the downloading, configuration, and installation of either the Stable or Development kernels, what I said above still applies. If they can figure out how to do that, then they know how to compile and install a development kernel, and consequently, what I originally said would not apply to them anyway.
Agreed. One should first understand the basics of downloading, configuring and installing the Stable or Development kernels before fooling around with them. People have to realize that fooling around with a Development kernel isn't some kind of game, and if you think it is, you've have no business messing with them.
>Competetition might be good, but this is going to potentially kill the >other console machines. >Look at it this way: Game developer makes PC game. Yay! Game does well >in general Windows market. Yay! Standard next step? Port to console. >Now, let's see... We have the PSX2, the Dolphin, don't look good... >There'll be a lot of work there and the game might take too long to be >released. Dreamcast? Getting closer... X-Box? It's already in our >native tounge! SELL SELL SELL!
Bullshit. Take a look at the hottest games on the console market. Notice something? Most of them come out of Japan and Europe. That's because most games produced in the US tend to be crap and Microsoft's X-Box is only going to continue this trend. The vast majority of games that will be shipping on Microsoft's X-Box will be crap games from Microsoft. Count on it.
>their disregard for documentation and configuration tools is yet >another example of why Linux will never go anywhere. What the fuck is >wrong with these people? Don't they understand that not everyone needs >to reinvent their fucked up wheel.
Fuck off Astroturfer. In case you didn't know XFree86 run on other platform/OS besides Linux.
>I am glad that the problem doesn't exist, but do we really care? The >product is not available to us yet and by the time it is all of these >issues will surely be fixed, that being said almost every decent game >they release will also be released for the PC. Therefor why would you >want to pay for the device when you could just pay for the game on >your computer?
Have you seen the *IDOITIC* system requirements for PC games nowdays? Buying 1 $300-400 PlayStation 2 beats buying a $1000-2000 computer every 6 months kiddo....
>In the 80's Yamaha sold their receivers in both silver and black for >the same price, you could take your pic. But everyone bought black and >noone wanted silver. After that they only sell black now.
I think that was because the silver model was basically the black model with silver paint sprayed on. Looked pretty nasty once the silver layer got scratched or worn away from use.
>Films often come in batches of similar themes. Should the producers of >Armageddon be able to sue the producers of Deep impact because they're >both about asteroids hitting the earth?
If you've seen Deep Impact, the answer of course would be *YES* God, that was a movie that didn't live up to the hype.
>This is what he is saying, but it makes me wonder why it is that >coders care enough to work on better free software, but ui designers >do not. Why don't UI designers join free software projects?
Simple. UI designers won't be able to control and dictate the direction along with taking credit for a free software projects.
UI designers thought they had won the war against the CLI in the late 80's and 90's but with Linux and the BSD's making the CLI popular again they're realizing that they haven't won, and this battle is going to a lot harder to wage since in the Open Source Development world there isn't a Apple,Commodore or Microsoft they can get to impose their views on the coders of OSS/Free Software.
>Natural evolution - it seems to me that the good ideas will naturally >rise to the top. With no Borg-like organization steering the >development to where it is the most profitable, it seems that on the >whole, this will just naturally get better.
Exactly. And if you read the comments by most of the "Open Source can't produce a real UI crowd" they are scared to death over this issue. They for whatever reason, seem to want to control the direction that UI's for Open Source projects go in. The reason I suspect is that they want to unload their pet theories concering UI interface design where they can have somewhere to point at and say "See? Project blah-blah-blah has adopted so-so's ideas on whatever." Suffice to say I for one don't think that a vast majority of the authors of these artices really have the best interests of the Open Source Development Community in mind when they publish these kinds of articles.
>Dude, stop trolling, its not like PC and DC software aren't full of >bugs. I have several friends who are DC programmers and if you think >that DC games have no bugs, you are _sorely_ mistaken. Besides, the DC >runs WinCE, now do you really want that? I can see it now, fire up >Sonic and the BSOD pops up halfway through the game....no thanks.
How quickly these silly PC gamers forget about things like the buggy Pentium chips that Intel had to replace because people raised such a stink about it. Or how about Commodore advising the first buyers of the A500 to drop them onto a tabletop in order to fix a problem caused by chips that weren't seated properly in the sockets on the A500's motherboard? I think Sony did themselves a huge favor by recalling these machines when they found out these problems.
>I hope they'll use this chipset to target the hardcore gamers and >start a good battle against nVidia's supremacy. Like the AMD vs. Intel >thing, us consumers will only benefit:)
You're right because most consumers will choose to avoid this nonsense and opt for an PlayStation 2 or something similar where you don't have to play this stupid upgrade game every 6 months. And don't say you'll still have the choice not to upgrade your older hardware, because you won't. The PC game publishers will make damn sure of that.
>I really can't believe that someone would be as arrogant and demanding >as your post seems to indicate you are. Talk about looking a gift >horse in the mouth.
Dude, this bullshit came from a Microsoft Astrotufer. If SourceForge only accomplishes 50% of it goals, you're talking about a major boost to software for machines running Linux,BSD and other flavors of Unix. Notice how the jackass basically demaned that SourceForge offer/include support for Microsoft products? Why? Microsoft hasn't done a damn thing for the OSS/Free Software movement except try to rip it off.
>How is this going to affect the price of their products? >A standard NE2000 NIC card runs about $15. TurboLinux 6.0 runs $19.99
It won't affect things in any fashion whatsoever. You can get TurboLinux 6.0 for $1.99 plus shipping just like you can Redhat and the other dists from CheapBytes. The March 2000 issue of Linux Journal for instance is bundled with TurboLinux 6.0 I got from Books A Million for $5.00
>According to the article Helixcode is only available for certain Linux >distributions. This shows the need for Linux to be standardized.
Spare us please. Nothing's stopping "certain distributions" from adopting *.rpm or *.deb as a package mangager. The standard package manager for linux will be most likely a hybrid/merger of the deb and rpm package managers that'll be backwards compatable with both.
>No matter how big this ps2 is, I think the X-Box is going to give the >ps2 a good run for its money. Lets think about it shall we?
HA! The X-Box is going to be the consol version of Microsoft BOB. Who the hell is going to port anything to it? Sony,Sega,Nintendo?! Don't make me laugh. The only thing that the Mickysoft X-Box will have is basically Win95/98 games that the consol gamers aren't very interested in.
>What magical world have you been living in where Console games are >cheaper than that?! N64 games pretty much start at $60. The main >difference between the PC and Consoles as gaming platforms are the >genres of titles available.
Try shopping at K-mart or Wal-mart instead of at Toys-R-Us.....
Would agree with you except for one thing. Look at the games that now require Win95/98. These are basically nothing but games that 2 or 3 years ago would have run under DOS without the hefty system requirements that you are seeing now.
> About those multi-taps, why the hell did Sony only put two controller >ports on the damn thing? It's so stupid of them. the N64 has 4, >Dreamcast has 4, and I'll bet my life the Dolphin will have 4, but yet >Sony only puts TWO(!) controller ports on it. Granted, I had always >thought the workaround would be daisy chaining some USB controllers,
Think about it. Using 2 ports instead of 4 means there are 2 ports that Sony doesn't have to worry about being defective in some fashion. I bet those 4 ports on the Dreamcast and those other machines are going to be a bitch to fix/repair as compared to the 2 ports on the PS2. I also bet the the PS2 ports will be able to take a heck of a lot more abuse as well before breaking.
>So, at what time will PC technology surpass the Sony box? Considering >the imminent arrival of 1 GHz Athlons, plus the hardware T & L of >video cards like the GeForce, will a PC system be able to match the >PS2 by the time of the North American launch date? Or will the I/O >limitations of the PC cripple it in comparison to the PS2?
The PC will never match the PS2 for one simple reason. Price. The PC you're talking about will always be 2-3 times the price of the PS2. Hell the cost of the video card alone for the PC will be 1/4 to 1/2 of the PS2 if past history is anything to go by. People outside of the PC gamer crowd have pretty much gotten tried of the PC software/hardware upgrade game that's been pretty much been driven by Microsoft and are looking for a way to bail out. Hence all the interest in the PS2 and similar systems.
>Tell that to developers, hardware manufactutors and gamers. By the >time the PS2 is released here, PC's will have about caught up. 6 >Months later, the PS2 will look old, and we'll laugh about it's lack >of anti-aliasing, lousy fill-rate, and mediocre triangle rate. By then, we'll have XFree86 4.0 and we'll just chuckle as those who play >on the miserble low-res crap called a TV.
And who cares? You seriously think that people are going to run out and dump another $1000 or more into a new computer system just to play the new crop of PC games on? Because if past history is any indication, that's exactly what you PC gamers are going to end up doing. For folks like me who aren't interested in your kind of gaming, a Playstation 2 will do just fine.
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If a person is really interested in the process of building kernels,
they should also look into the Buildkernel script home page.
http://users.dhp.com/~whisper/buildkernel
> If a person cannot figure out how to read and assimiliate the
abundance of information regarding the downloading, configuration, and
installation of either the Stable or Development kernels, what I said
above still applies. If they can figure out how to do that, then they
know how to compile and install a development kernel, and
consequently, what I originally said would not apply to them anyway.
Agreed. One should first understand the basics of downloading, configuring and installing the Stable or Development kernels before fooling around with them. People have to realize that fooling around with a Development kernel isn't some kind of game, and if you think it is, you've have no business messing with them.
>Competetition might be good, but this is going to potentially kill the
>other console machines.
>Look at it this way: Game developer makes PC game. Yay! Game does well
>in general Windows market. Yay! Standard next step? Port to console.
>Now, let's see... We have the PSX2, the Dolphin, don't look good...
>There'll be a lot of work there and the game might take too long to be
>released. Dreamcast? Getting closer... X-Box? It's already in our
>native tounge! SELL SELL SELL!
Bullshit. Take a look at the hottest games on the console market. Notice something? Most of them come out of Japan and Europe. That's because most games produced in the US tend to be crap and Microsoft's X-Box is only going to continue this trend. The vast majority of games that will be shipping on Microsoft's X-Box will be crap games from Microsoft. Count on it.
>their disregard for documentation and configuration tools is yet
>another example of why Linux will never go anywhere. What the fuck is
>wrong with these people? Don't they understand that not everyone needs
>to reinvent their fucked up wheel.
Fuck off Astroturfer. In case you didn't know XFree86 run on other platform/OS besides Linux.
> And of course, I'll be the first loser to ask someone to build me :)
>RPM's!
Just check the SuSE or RedHat mirrors of their ftp sites. They they should be poping up in a couple of days.
>I am glad that the problem doesn't exist, but do we really care? The
>product is not available to us yet and by the time it is all of these
>issues will surely be fixed, that being said almost every decent game
>they release will also be released for the PC. Therefor why would you
>want to pay for the device when you could just pay for the game on
>your computer?
Have you seen the *IDOITIC* system requirements for PC games nowdays? Buying 1 $300-400 PlayStation 2 beats buying a $1000-2000 computer every 6 months kiddo....
>In the 80's Yamaha sold their receivers in both silver and black for
>the same price, you could take your pic. But everyone bought black and
>noone wanted silver. After that they only sell black now.
I think that was because the silver model was basically the black model with silver paint sprayed on. Looked pretty nasty once the silver layer got scratched or worn away from use.
>Films often come in batches of similar themes. Should the producers of
>Armageddon be able to sue the producers of Deep impact because they're
>both about asteroids hitting the earth?
If you've seen Deep Impact, the answer of course would be *YES* God, that was a movie that didn't live up to the hype.
>This is what he is saying, but it makes me wonder why it is that
>coders care enough to work on better free software, but ui designers
>do not. Why don't UI designers join free software projects?
Simple. UI designers won't be able to control and dictate the direction along with taking credit for a free software projects.
UI designers thought they had won the war against the CLI in the late 80's and 90's but with Linux and the BSD's making the CLI popular again they're realizing that they haven't won, and this battle is going to a lot harder to wage since in the Open Source Development world there isn't a Apple,Commodore or Microsoft they can get to impose their views on the coders of OSS/Free Software.
>Natural evolution - it seems to me that the good ideas will naturally
>rise to the top. With no Borg-like organization steering the
>development to where it is the most profitable, it seems that on the
>whole, this will just naturally get better.
Exactly. And if you read the comments by most of the "Open Source can't produce a real UI crowd" they are scared to death over this issue. They for whatever reason, seem to want to control the direction that UI's for Open Source projects go in. The reason I suspect is that they want to unload their pet theories concering UI interface design where they can have somewhere to point at and say "See? Project blah-blah-blah has adopted so-so's ideas on whatever." Suffice to say I for one don't think that a vast majority of the authors of these artices really have the best interests of the Open Source Development Community in mind when they publish these kinds of articles.
>At least Amiga OS had to spiffy exec.library/SetFunction() call for
>on-the-fly patching of individual functions within shared libraries...
Hey did you drop your A500 on a tabletop to seat the chips on the motherboard like Commodore suggested?
>Dude, stop trolling, its not like PC and DC software aren't full of
>bugs. I have several friends who are DC programmers and if you think
>that DC games have no bugs, you are _sorely_ mistaken. Besides, the DC
>runs WinCE, now do you really want that? I can see it now, fire up
>Sonic and the BSOD pops up halfway through the game....no thanks.
How quickly these silly PC gamers forget about things like the buggy Pentium chips that Intel had to replace because people raised such a stink about it. Or how about Commodore advising the first buyers of the A500 to drop them onto a tabletop in order to fix a problem caused by chips that weren't seated properly in the sockets on the A500's motherboard? I think Sony did themselves a huge favor by recalling these machines when they found out these problems.
>I hope they'll use this chipset to target the hardcore gamers and :)
>start a good battle against nVidia's supremacy. Like the AMD vs. Intel
>thing, us consumers will only benefit
You're right because most consumers will choose to avoid this nonsense and opt for an PlayStation 2 or something similar where you don't have to play this stupid upgrade game every 6 months. And don't say you'll still have the choice not to upgrade your older hardware, because you won't. The PC game publishers will make damn sure of that.
>I really can't believe that someone would be as arrogant and demanding
>as your post seems to indicate you are. Talk about looking a gift
>horse in the mouth.
Dude, this bullshit came from a Microsoft Astrotufer. If SourceForge only accomplishes 50% of it goals, you're talking about a major boost to software for machines running Linux,BSD and other flavors of Unix. Notice how the jackass basically demaned that SourceForge offer/include support for Microsoft products? Why? Microsoft hasn't done a damn thing for the OSS/Free Software movement except try to rip it off.
>Your ignorance is stunning. Did the above poster say s/he ran Sendmail
>for a year?
>Also note that the above poster is still running FreeBSD.
If that idoit can't handle Linux, what the hell makes you think he can deal with FreeBSD?
Your stuipidity is amazing. Want to bet that Microsoft Astrotufer hasn't a clue what either Linux or FreeBSD is?
>How is this going to affect the price of their products?
>A standard NE2000 NIC card runs about $15. TurboLinux 6.0 runs $19.99
It won't affect things in any fashion whatsoever. You can get TurboLinux 6.0 for $1.99 plus shipping just like you can Redhat and the other dists from CheapBytes. The March 2000 issue of Linux Journal for instance is bundled with TurboLinux 6.0 I got from Books A Million for $5.00
>According to the article Helixcode is only available for certain Linux
>distributions. This shows the need for Linux to be standardized.
Spare us please. Nothing's stopping "certain distributions" from adopting *.rpm or *.deb as a package mangager. The standard package manager for linux will be most likely a hybrid/merger of the deb and rpm package managers that'll be backwards compatable with both.
>No matter how big this ps2 is, I think the X-Box is going to give the
>ps2 a good run for its money. Lets think about it shall we?
HA! The X-Box is going to be the consol version of Microsoft BOB. Who the hell is going to port anything to it? Sony,Sega,Nintendo?! Don't make me laugh. The only thing that the Mickysoft X-Box will have is basically Win95/98 games that the consol gamers aren't very interested in.
>What magical world have you been living in where Console games are
>cheaper than that?! N64 games pretty much start at $60. The main
>difference between the PC and Consoles as gaming platforms are the
>genres of titles available.
Try shopping at K-mart or Wal-mart instead of at Toys-R-Us.....
>Microsoft isn't really driving gaming technology, even taking DirectX
>into effect.
Would agree with you except for one thing. Look at the games that now require Win95/98. These are basically nothing but games that 2 or 3 years ago would have run under DOS without the hefty system requirements that you are seeing now.
>The Commodore CD-TV and CD-32 consoles ran AmigaDOS.
And killed Commodore in the process....
>yes, but PlayStation has only one use -- playing games. PC stands for
>Personal Computer and there is a reason for that.
Ummm...We'll still keep/have PC's, but we won't be playing games on them. What is so hard about this for you to comprehend about this?!?
> About those multi-taps, why the hell did Sony only put two controller
>ports on the damn thing? It's so stupid of them. the N64 has 4,
>Dreamcast has 4, and I'll bet my life the Dolphin will have 4, but yet
>Sony only puts TWO(!) controller ports on it. Granted, I had always
>thought the workaround would be daisy chaining some USB controllers,
Think about it. Using 2 ports instead of 4 means there are 2 ports that Sony doesn't have to worry about being defective in some fashion. I bet those 4 ports on the Dreamcast and those other machines are going to be a bitch to fix/repair as compared to the 2 ports on the PS2. I also bet the the PS2 ports will be able to take a heck of a lot more abuse as well before breaking.
>So, at what time will PC technology surpass the Sony box? Considering >the imminent arrival of 1 GHz Athlons, plus the hardware T & L of
>video cards like the GeForce, will a PC system be able to match the
>PS2 by the time of the North American launch date? Or will the I/O
>limitations of the PC cripple it in comparison to the PS2?
The PC will never match the PS2 for one simple reason. Price. The PC you're talking about will always be 2-3 times the price of the PS2. Hell the cost of the video card alone for the PC will be 1/4 to 1/2 of the PS2 if past history is anything to go by. People outside of the PC gamer crowd have pretty much gotten tried of the PC software/hardware upgrade game that's been pretty much been driven by Microsoft and are looking for a way to bail out. Hence all the interest in the PS2 and similar systems.
>Tell that to developers, hardware manufactutors and gamers. By the
>time the PS2 is released here, PC's will have about caught up. 6
>Months later, the PS2 will look old, and we'll laugh about it's lack
>of anti-aliasing, lousy fill-rate, and mediocre triangle rate. By then, we'll have XFree86 4.0 and we'll just chuckle as those who play
>on the miserble low-res crap called a TV.
And who cares? You seriously think that people are going to run out and dump another $1000 or more into a new computer system just to play the new crop of PC games on? Because if past history is any indication, that's exactly what you PC gamers are going to end up doing. For folks like me who aren't interested in your kind of gaming, a Playstation 2 will do just fine.