>With all the publicity about M$ and their monopoly, there are many >unfamiliar with Linux who are seriously considering alternative OS's >right now. Because it stresses the ease of installation and helps >remove the fear of blowing up their machines, a review of >distributions like this one by CNet is exactly what is needed to help >them choose to switch.
Bleh. The very idea that a review of Linux Distributions by a bunch of people who can't format a 1.44 meg floppy disk using DOS (your typical CNet reviewer) is actually going to be useful to anybody is laughable.
This is nothing but an attempt by the CNet to revive the Mircosoft "Linux Defense." Don't let the CNet crowd con you into thinking that's it's not....
>what icrave is doing doesn't seem necessarily wrong to me. after all, >the television signals are out in the public, right?
Wrong. The tv programs contained within the television signals are not are out in the public. Watch a NFL football game for instance. Notice the disclaimer/copyright statement that is broadcast every so often.
>InstallShield for Linux, and a nice user interface put onto RPM would >make for a very pleasant user experience. InstallShield is a piece of shit that the Linux world doesn't need. Only Windows users would think that InstallShield was something that was actually worth using. Want an easy way to view/install *.rpm's? Run Midnight Commander (mc) and double click the mouse cursor on the filename of the *.rpm in question to view it's contents. To install the *.rpm become root and click either *INSTALL or *UPGRADE
>"No other company [Microsoft] has come close to providing so many >innovative and groundbreaking products." I'll bet we never see that >written about any Linux company or community.
That's because people are being sarcastic when they write or say it conserning Mircosoft. You don't actually think they mean it, do you?
>I'm not usually a big MS supporter, quite the opposite, but I fail to >see the difference between MS throwing IE in with 95 and RH throwing >Mozilla in, especially when RH has a financial interest in them.
Can you say the *.rpm concept? Of course paid Microsoft Astrotufers like yourself aren't familar with software that can totally removed from a system with little or no fuss if you don't like it.
>It's kind of scary... why don't they just stick to providing >services, instead of buying out open source companies?
Because it prevents the Windows software flakes from buying out open source companies, which is the real reason you're bitching about this I'll wager.....
>By the time we can even get half fucking way to these planets, we >probably won't even fucking require a habitable atmosphere. It'll be >the 9th mother fucking millennium, because you pussy ass lame shits >won't fucking get moving on space developent but rather greed.
Why do you care? You and those like you aren't going anywhere. You're being played for a sucker by the Jerry Pournelle's of the world, and the sooner you realize it the better.
>What kind of complex structures could evolve in an environment with a >gravity far greater than that of earth?
Complex structures that evolved on a planet with a gravity far greater than that of earth. This would be normal gravity for such structures. Everything is relative remember? For someone born on a planet like Earth, the gravity on Jupiter would be considered high. For someone born on a planet like Jupiter the gravity on Earth would be considered low. For the life that evolved on both planets the gravity of each would be considered normal.
>so the rubber coating won't help. In fact the rubber coating most likely will cause more problems that it solves. Can you say overheated componets on the circuit boards creating a fire hazzard? Sure you can. I *LOVE* the smell of smothering rubber in the morning.....
Get real. Of course Microsoft doesn't want the WTO to Impose Software Tariffs. At least not untill Microsoft gets through imposing their own Software Tariffs, er Acess Fees......
>To say that Red Hat Linux, and other distributions of Linux which are >published by companies like Red Hat, are "commercial" is >intentionally misleading. It is part of Richard Stallman's rhetoric, >and is an attempt disguise the anti-business mechanisms of the GPL.
So now you're claiming that RedHat and the other companies involved with linux are knowlingly acting as fronts for the FSF. Hope you've got a good lawyer Brett, because you're starting to tread on some very thin ice here.
>The GPL destroys markets, retards programmers' progress by forcing >them to reimplement the wheel needlessly, and hurts livelihoods.
Who gives a shit anymore? The very people you are crying the blues about are also the very same people who have gone out of their way to screw over the consumers of their products for years. Why is it Brett that the software "industry" you are bending over backwards to defend is so opposed to having the same kinds of "Lemon Laws" applied to them that used car salespeople operate under? What are you cowards so afraid of? Brett,it's people like youself who generate the conflict and the spite you are bitching about. Want to stop it? Take a good long look in the mirror and start with yourself.
>And why in the hell would they possibly say 18 only download? Heh. Wonder if this nonsense will put an end to the "How Evil RedHat Is" rants that seem to come from certain elements that claim to be running Debian and Slackware. Doubt it, but one can always hope.......
>RS-232 is just so widespread, keeping just one serial port would be a >Good Thing (tm), IMHO.
Same goes for the parallel port. Does anyone think that colleges,public schools,the military or industry is going to trash their old hardware just because it doesn't have a USB connector on it? If you are such a person, you need to lay off the crack. USB isn't going to be taking the world by storm anytime soon, and you're kidding yourself if you think it is. My Epson LX 810 9-pin dot matrix printer has been used nearly every day since I bought it in 1993 without needing a single repair. Just changed the ribbon and kept it clean. This printer has been used with an Amiga and several PC's running Dos,Windows and Linux over the past 7 years,and it's still going strong. How many of those USB printers are going to last even 2 years, let alone 7?
>Redhat buying other companies like MS...they're a wanna be MS.
No,RedHat buying other companies is a good thing because it means Mircosoft and their lackies won't get the chance to get their slimly paws on them. Does anyone seriouly think an NT-focused outfit buying Cyngus would be good for anybody other than Microsoft?
>Rathad is slowly turning into the Microsoft of the Linux World
Redhat is actually proving that the GNU concept isn't as crazy as you Microsoft PR Clowns try to make it out to be. It must really fustrating for you guys at Mircosoft to watch Linux grow by leaps and bounds each day and know you and your software are not wanted here.
>Ok be a stubborn dumbass and miss out on a really fun game. I like UT >a lot better than Q3. Why such hostility towards a company that even >ported the game to linux for you? How many commercial linux games are >You are certainly not helping with that attitiude.
Maybe it's because we non-gamers are sick and tired of you gamer morons? I personally could care less about either UT or Q3. Quite frankly I can see why people would be upset about being asked to spend around $50.00 for something and then discovering that they aren't really getting what they thought they were paying for. It's even worse when it's pretty nearly impossible to return the package for a refund of your money.
>All I can tell you is I have zero pressure applied to me from the >advertising people here at the paper and any pressure the advertisers >themselves try to apply is firmly rebuffed at a higher level than
And all the people who have been reading computer magazines since the late 70's will tell your comments are full of bullshit. We've pretty much seen it all. Glowing reviews of software and hardware that don't perform as advertised. Articles slamming computers such as the Amiga and Atari ST computers at just the point when they were distracting attention away from Windows. I don't need to say anything about the computer mags treatment of OS/2 do I?
>What I dont understand is that a magazine like that (or old school >BYTE for that matter) couldnt survive in a market as large as the US.
Byte died because it pretty much dropped coverage of everything but Windows. Come up with *one* good reason why someone not interested in Windows or Windows software should've continued buying a magazine that had become pretty much useless to them? You can't, and that's why Byte bit the dust.
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>Hear Hear! Have you even tried to get USB keyboards and mice? For >omething that's supposed to be taking over the world any day now, the >selection and availability out there (BestBuy, CompUSA) just blows. >Serial devices are still lingering, PS/2 devices are still lingering, >SCSI devices are still lingering, & Firewire hasn't even started to >take off yet.
Heh. Can you imagine something as fragile as a USB connector on hardware intended for use in the field? Serial and other ports aren't going anywhere anytime soon, especially with all the older hardware floating around in the world that's still being used and that unlike most of today's hardware was actually built to last for years.
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>With all the publicity about M$ and their monopoly, there are many >unfamiliar with Linux who are seriously considering alternative OS's >right now. Because it stresses the ease of installation and helps >remove the fear of blowing up their machines, a review of >distributions like this one by CNet is exactly what is needed to help >them choose to switch.
Bleh. The very idea that a review of Linux Distributions by a bunch of people who can't format a 1.44 meg floppy disk using DOS (your typical CNet reviewer) is actually going to be useful to anybody is laughable.
This is nothing but an attempt by the CNet to revive the Mircosoft "Linux Defense." Don't let the CNet crowd con you into thinking that's it's not....
>what icrave is doing doesn't seem necessarily wrong to me. after all, >the television signals are out in the public, right?
Wrong. The tv programs contained within the television signals are not are out in the public. Watch a NFL football game for instance. Notice the disclaimer/copyright statement that is broadcast every so often.
>InstallShield for Linux, and a nice user interface put onto RPM would >make for a very pleasant user experience.
InstallShield is a piece of shit that the Linux world doesn't need. Only Windows users would think that InstallShield was something that was actually worth using. Want an easy way to view/install *.rpm's? Run Midnight Commander (mc) and double click the mouse cursor on the filename of the *.rpm in question to view it's contents. To install the *.rpm become root and click either *INSTALL or *UPGRADE
>BTW: Does anybody know what the "big" features of the 5th generation >browsers are.
They have the ability to make people run screaming back to lynx......
>Next morning: "It has been reported by several observaories that >there now apear to be several Venus-size chunks orbiting where Mars used to be.
Damn. Those two anti-matter based nukes the DOJ used to take out the Mircosoft Mars Base was *WAY* more powerful than they thought.....
>"No other company [Microsoft] has come close to providing so many >innovative and groundbreaking products." I'll bet we never see that >written about any Linux company or community.
That's because people are being sarcastic when they write or say it conserning Mircosoft. You don't actually think they mean it, do you?
>I'm not usually a big MS supporter, quite the opposite, but I fail to >see the difference between MS throwing IE in with 95 and RH throwing >Mozilla in, especially when RH has a financial interest in them.
Can you say the *.rpm concept? Of course paid Microsoft Astrotufers like yourself aren't familar with software that can totally removed from a system with little or no fuss if you don't like it.
>It's kind of scary... why don't they just stick to providing >services, instead of buying out open source companies?
Because it prevents the Windows software flakes from buying out open source companies, which is the real reason you're bitching about this I'll wager.....
>By the time we can even get half fucking way to these planets, we >probably won't even fucking require a habitable atmosphere. It'll be >the 9th mother fucking millennium, because you pussy ass lame shits >won't fucking get moving on space developent but rather greed.
Why do you care? You and those like you aren't going anywhere. You're being played for a sucker by the Jerry Pournelle's of the world, and the sooner you realize it the better.
>What kind of complex structures could evolve in an environment with a >gravity far greater than that of earth?
Complex structures that evolved on a planet with a gravity far greater than that of earth. This would be normal gravity for such structures. Everything is relative remember? For someone born on a planet like Earth, the gravity on Jupiter would be considered high. For someone born on a planet like Jupiter the gravity on Earth would be considered low. For the life that evolved on both planets the gravity of each would be considered normal.
>so the rubber coating won't help.
In fact the rubber coating most likely will cause more problems that it solves. Can you say overheated componets on the circuit boards creating a fire hazzard? Sure you can. I *LOVE* the smell of smothering rubber in the morning.....
Get real. Of course Microsoft doesn't want the WTO to Impose Software Tariffs. At least not untill Microsoft gets through imposing their own Software Tariffs, er Acess Fees......
>To say that Red Hat Linux, and other distributions of Linux which are >published by companies like Red Hat, are "commercial" is >intentionally misleading. It is part of Richard Stallman's rhetoric, >and is an attempt disguise the anti-business mechanisms of the GPL.
So now you're claiming that RedHat and the other companies involved with linux are knowlingly acting as fronts for the FSF. Hope you've got a good lawyer Brett, because you're starting to tread on some very thin ice here.
>The GPL destroys markets, retards programmers' progress by forcing >them to reimplement the wheel needlessly, and hurts livelihoods.
Who gives a shit anymore? The very people you are crying the blues about are also the very same people who have gone out of their way to screw over the consumers of their products for years. Why is it Brett that the software "industry" you are bending over backwards to defend is so opposed to having the same kinds of "Lemon Laws" applied to them that used car salespeople operate under? What are you cowards so afraid of? Brett,it's people like youself who generate the conflict and the spite you are bitching about. Want to stop it? Take a good long look in the mirror and start with yourself.
>And why in the hell would they possibly say 18 only download?
Heh. Wonder if this nonsense will put an end to the "How Evil RedHat Is" rants that seem to come from certain elements that claim to be running Debian and Slackware. Doubt it, but one can always hope.......
>RS-232 is just so widespread, keeping just one serial port would be a >Good Thing (tm), IMHO.
Same goes for the parallel port. Does anyone think that colleges,public schools,the military or industry is going to trash their old hardware just because it doesn't have a USB connector on it? If you are such a person, you need to lay off the crack. USB isn't going to be taking the world by storm anytime soon, and you're kidding yourself if you think it is. My Epson LX 810 9-pin dot matrix printer has been used nearly every day since I bought it in 1993 without needing a single repair. Just changed the ribbon and kept it clean. This printer has been used with an Amiga and several PC's running Dos,Windows and Linux over the past 7 years,and it's still going strong. How many of those USB printers are going to last even 2 years, let alone 7?
>On that note what the hell is up with the RH Stock prices??
Don't know but it must be driving the Gartner bunch and the rest nuts......
>Redhat buying other companies like MS...they're a wanna be MS.
No,RedHat buying other companies is a good thing because it means Mircosoft and their lackies won't get the chance to get their slimly paws on them. Does anyone seriouly think an NT-focused outfit buying Cyngus would be good for anybody other than Microsoft?
>From the Agreement, I can see no where RH is a GPL company.
Try reading RedHat's IPO statements/paperwork.....
>Rathad is slowly turning into the Microsoft of the Linux World
Redhat is actually proving that the GNU concept isn't as crazy as you Microsoft PR Clowns try to make it out to be. It must really fustrating for you guys at Mircosoft to watch Linux grow by leaps and bounds each day and know you and your software are not wanted here.
>What is a valve?
Valve is the UK term for vacuum tube.
>Ok be a stubborn dumbass and miss out on a really fun game. I like UT >a lot better than Q3. Why such hostility towards a company that even >ported the game to linux for you? How many commercial linux games are >You are certainly not helping with that attitiude.
Maybe it's because we non-gamers are sick and tired of you gamer morons? I personally could care less about either UT or Q3. Quite frankly I can see why people would be upset about being asked to spend around $50.00 for something and then discovering that they aren't really getting what they thought they were paying for. It's even worse when it's pretty nearly impossible to return the package for a refund of your money.
>All I can tell you is I have zero pressure applied to me from the >advertising people here at the paper and any pressure the advertisers >themselves try to apply is firmly rebuffed at a higher level than
And all the people who have been reading computer magazines since the late 70's will tell your comments are full of bullshit. We've pretty much seen it all. Glowing reviews of software and hardware that don't perform as advertised. Articles slamming computers such as the Amiga and Atari ST computers at just the point when they were distracting attention away from Windows. I don't need to say anything about the computer mags treatment of OS/2 do I?
>What I dont understand is that a magazine like that (or old school >BYTE for that matter) couldnt survive in a market as large as the US.
Byte died because it pretty much dropped coverage of everything but Windows. Come up with *one* good reason why someone not interested in Windows or Windows software should've continued buying a magazine that had become pretty much useless to them? You can't, and that's why Byte bit the dust.
>Hear Hear! Have you even tried to get USB keyboards and mice? For >omething that's supposed to be taking over the world any day now, the >selection and availability out there (BestBuy, CompUSA) just blows. >Serial devices are still lingering, PS/2 devices are still lingering, >SCSI devices are still lingering, & Firewire hasn't even started to >take off yet.
Heh. Can you imagine something as fragile as a USB connector on hardware intended for use in the field? Serial and other ports aren't going anywhere anytime soon, especially with all the older hardware floating around in the world that's still being used and that unlike most of today's hardware was actually built to last for years.