>Re:The bad reputation of Linux users grows larger_
??? You mean because we aren't going to let losers like yourself and Metcalfe get away with their shoddy articles we have a bad rep? Good. Maybe mags will think twice about publishing this kind of crap then.
>>If I was a goverment agent in charge of snooping through email don't >>you think that I would have a scanner similar to a virus detector >>looking for encrypted messages?
>That's exactly the reason why we all should use encryption for _all_ of our messages.
Eh? Haven't you heard the best way to hide something is to hide it in plain sight?
Bah. Cryptography in Mail is a joke. It's something to play with, but really isn't all that useful in the real world. Let's face it, unless you're really dealing with really sensitive matters, the hassle involed with encryption isn't worth it, and all it really does is call attention to yourself. Think about it. If I was a goverment agent in charge of snooping through email don't you think that I would have a scanner similar to a virus detector looking for encrypted messages? The scanner may not be able to decrypt the messages, but it could flag and save the headers (including the adresses of the computers sending and receiving the encrypted mail) to a file so they could be investigated later by human field agents.
I really think you encryption supporters are really operating under a false sense of security. If the goverment really wants to get you, they will. End of story.
>It's not a business objective, it's part of Ray Noordas personal vendetta against Microsoft.
So what's wrong with personal vendettas? Personal vendettas can be fun. See Star Trek:The Wrath of Kahn for an example. (God, I loved this movie, especially since I always was a Kahn fan. Hearing Kirk screaming Kahn's name was something truely beautiful) Too damn bad the newer Treks never had someone who was in Kahn's class to contend with....
>The books don't count. The ONLY thing that counts as far as Star Wars
Wrong trekkie-brain. Just like the B5 novels are in the B5 universe, the Star Wars novels are an intergrated part of the Star Wars universe. Doubt it? Ask GL himself.....
Just because the Star Trek universe is totally fucked up, don't make the mistake of thinking that everybody else is using Trek or Trek Fandom as an model. They're *NOT*
>Man, i was using a 3D UI when i was h4x0r1ng gibsons back in the day.
Actually, it's nothing but Microsoft Bob revisited. I shudder to think of the kinds of industral disasters this kind of interface is going to cause at say a chemical plant when something goes wrong and people start to panic and begin fumbling around within the UI.
Want to see the future of beos? Look no futher than the Amiga. The BEOS guys are walking into the exact same minefield that the Amiga crowd did with their obsession with mulitimedia.....
Most of the Linux users I know aren't Star Trek fans. They're mostly B5 and Star Wars fans with quite a few Star Trek:TOS fans who detest what the pro-Wesley Crusher crowd has done to Trek thrown into the mix.....
>Currently the VC++ from microsoft produces far superior x86 code than GCC. I'm surprized that nobody has commented on this fact yet.
Why should anyone? VC++ is basically a one-platform solution (x86) while GCC pretty much runs on everything under the sun. GCC runs on the Amiga. Does VC++? Nope. When you are dealing with a complier that runs on multiple platforms/processors the kind of optimization you are talking about can be a *REAL* headache to deal with and should be steered clear of...
>Second, I am not talking about the Mindcraft tests. I am talking about
Dude, the PC Week tests *WERE* the Mindcraft test done by people who seemed to know what they were doing. Didn't you notice that the numbers doesn't seem to be as out-of-wack as the orginal test performed by Mindcraft with no one looking over their shoulders? That speaks volumes about the basic compentence of the people at Mindcraft to perform this kind of testing.
Who's whining? By winning NT and Mindcraft still lost. You actually think this helped Mindcraft's reputation any? Nope. All it showed is that they are really only familar with Microsoft products, and doesn't seem to want to take the time and effort to learn about other products. Not a company to turn to if you have questions concering non-Microsoft products. As for NT the fact that this test proves that the numbers Microsoft were orginally claiming concerning NT's performance vs linux (remember their WWW page advertising this "fact") was pretty much bogus doesn't help their credibility all that much either.
>BeOS will win virtually every battle against linux in the home market
Get real. It really looks like the only argument guys like you can make for BeOS is nothing but the same old tired Multimedia Rulez Bullshit that ended up sinking the Amiga.
>Yeah, but we can always find a good lawyer who'll go after them pro >bono for the publicity.
Exactly. Can you imagine the kind of publicity someone like Nader could generate with a court case like this?
As the Microsoft lawyers are being taught in the anti-trust case by the laywers working for the DOJ, it's not about how much money you have or the number of witnesses you try to buy off, it's all about how you play your hand....
>Those emails certainly are an embarrassment to the Linux >community,but what is Mindcraft trying to prove by posting them >prominently? What does that crap have to do with Mindcraft's stated >mission:software, system and network testing?
Simple. This is part of the Microsoft PR response to the NT server bug fix fiasco. If you can paint everybody who says anything bad about Microsoft or it's allies as a Microsoft or Mindcraft hater you can try to negate the impact of it. Won't work, because nobody trusts anything Microsoft or it's defenders has to say anymore, but they have to make the effort....
>I just want software that works, and does cool stuff.
You won't get that from Microsoft. Check out what Jerry Pournelle has to say about Front Page 2000 and Front Page 98 on his web site. We told him so, but he didn't want to listen...
>Heck, lots of people I know refuse to by Microsoft's hardware, which >is some of the best hardware on the market,
Bullshit. A lot of people refuse to buy Mircosoft hardware because it's cheaply made and overpriced. Are you seriously sugesting that that the Microsoft mice are better than the ones made by Logitech for instance? I've yet to see a Microsoft joystick that is better designed than my Nintedo 3d1 PC joystick. Yes, Nintendo designed a joystick for use with the PC.
As for the response to the article, well the person who wrote it got exactly what he devserved, just as NATO gave the Serbia what it deserved. What people like yourself are going to have to accept is the old days of "computer journalism" where a person could write the kind of article slamming something, submit it to a magazine and escape the results of their actions is over with. If a reporter wants to avoid the kind of fallout that people like yourself are bitching about, then he had better damn well be sure of his facts before posting the damn thing in the first place. There's a well-know term for the kind of article that Bryar submitted to Andover News. It's called yellow journalism.
>Linux made me into a sysadmin and it will make thousands more.
Exactly. This is the fear that's driving the anti-Unix/Linux camp. When people learn the basics of Linux,they are also pretty much learning the basics of Unix and saying to themselves,"Hey you know something? Unix isn't as hard or as bad as lot of people has made it out to be".
Linux has revived interest in Unix again and this can be nothing but a good thing for the future of us all.
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>Re:The bad reputation of Linux users grows larger_
??? You mean because we aren't going to let losers like yourself and Metcalfe get away with their shoddy articles we have a bad rep? Good. Maybe mags will think twice about publishing this kind of crap then.
>>If I was a goverment agent in charge of snooping through email don't >>you think that I would have a scanner similar to a virus detector >>looking for encrypted messages?
>That's exactly the reason why we all should use encryption for _all_ of our messages.
Eh? Haven't you heard the best way to hide something is to hide it in plain sight?
Bah. Cryptography in Mail is a joke. It's something to play with, but really isn't all that useful in the real world. Let's face it, unless you're really dealing with really sensitive matters, the hassle involed with encryption isn't worth it, and all it really does is call attention to yourself. Think about it. If I was a goverment agent in charge of snooping through email don't you think that I would have a scanner similar to a virus detector looking for encrypted messages? The scanner may not be able to decrypt the messages, but it could flag and save the headers (including the adresses of the computers sending and receiving the encrypted mail) to a file so they could be investigated later by human field agents.
I really think you encryption supporters are really operating under a false sense of security. If the goverment really wants to get you, they will. End of story.
>It's not a business objective, it's part of Ray Noordas personal vendetta against Microsoft.
So what's wrong with personal vendettas? Personal vendettas can be fun. See Star Trek:The Wrath of Kahn for an example. (God, I loved this movie, especially since I always was a Kahn fan. Hearing Kirk screaming Kahn's name was something truely beautiful) Too damn bad the newer Treks never had someone who was in Kahn's class to contend with....
>The books don't count. The ONLY thing that counts as far as Star Wars
Wrong trekkie-brain. Just like the B5 novels are in the B5 universe, the Star Wars novels are an intergrated part of the Star Wars universe. Doubt it? Ask GL himself.....
Just because the Star Trek universe is totally fucked up, don't make the mistake of thinking that everybody else is using Trek or Trek Fandom as an model. They're *NOT*
>It seems that the legal system (not just Judge Penfold) is wholly against MS.
Shows what happens when you try treating the judge presiding over your case like a moron....
>Excuse my ignorance, but what, who or where is Jar Jar?
He's Wesley Crusher's twin brother.....
Anybody waiting to see the next wave of email viruses/t-horses wipe these guys out? Some people just never learn.....
Aww.....Isn't it nice to see the AOL (American Online Losers) script kiddies hard at work?
>Man, i was using a 3D UI when i was h4x0r1ng gibsons back in the day.
Actually, it's nothing but Microsoft Bob revisited. I shudder to think of the kinds of industral disasters this kind of interface is going to cause at say a chemical plant when something goes wrong and people start to panic and begin fumbling around within the UI.
>beos will be the alternative os.
Want to see the future of beos? Look no futher than the Amiga. The BEOS guys are walking into the exact same minefield that the Amiga crowd did with their obsession with mulitimedia.....
That was a joke, son......
Most of the Linux users I know aren't Star Trek fans. They're mostly B5 and Star Wars fans with quite a few Star Trek:TOS fans who detest what the pro-Wesley Crusher crowd has done to Trek thrown into the mix.....
>Currently the VC++ from microsoft produces far superior x86 code than GCC. I'm surprized that nobody has commented on this fact yet.
Why should anyone? VC++ is basically a one-platform solution (x86) while GCC pretty much runs on everything under the sun. GCC runs on the Amiga. Does VC++? Nope. When you are dealing with a complier that runs on multiple platforms/processors the kind of optimization you are talking about can be a *REAL* headache to deal with and should be steered clear of...
>Second, I am not talking about the Mindcraft tests. I am talking about
Dude, the PC Week tests *WERE* the Mindcraft test done by people who seemed to know what they were doing.
Didn't you notice that the numbers doesn't seem to be as out-of-wack as the orginal test performed by Mindcraft with no one looking over their shoulders? That speaks volumes about the basic compentence of the people at Mindcraft to perform this kind of testing.
>Personally I would like to see the trial drag on for another year or two.
Don't worry about it. There are a number of other cases waiting in the wings.
>Some of you still feel the need to whine
Who's whining? By winning NT and Mindcraft still lost. You actually think this helped Mindcraft's reputation any? Nope. All it showed is that they are really only familar with Microsoft products, and doesn't seem to want to take the time and effort to learn about other products. Not a company to turn to if you have questions concering non-Microsoft products. As for NT the fact that this test proves that the numbers Microsoft were orginally claiming concerning NT's performance vs linux (remember their WWW page advertising this "fact") was pretty much bogus doesn't help their credibility all that much either.
>BeOS will win virtually every battle against linux in the home market
Get real. It really looks like the only argument guys like you can make for BeOS is nothing but the same old tired Multimedia Rulez Bullshit that ended up sinking the Amiga.
>Of course, SuSE doesn't come anywhere NEAR Redhat when it comes to hype and FUD.
Actually they exceed RedHat. It's just all in German.....
>Yeah, but we can always find a good lawyer who'll go after them pro >bono for the publicity.
Exactly. Can you imagine the kind of publicity someone like Nader could generate with a court case like this?
As the Microsoft lawyers are being taught in the anti-trust case by the laywers working for the DOJ, it's not about how much money you have or the number of witnesses you try to buy off, it's all about how you play your hand....
>Those emails certainly are an embarrassment to the Linux >community,but what is Mindcraft trying to prove by posting them >prominently? What does that crap have to do with Mindcraft's stated >mission:software, system and network testing?
Simple. This is part of the Microsoft PR response to the NT server bug fix fiasco. If you can paint everybody who says anything bad about Microsoft or it's allies as a Microsoft or Mindcraft hater you can try to negate the impact of it. Won't work, because nobody trusts anything Microsoft or it's defenders has to say anymore, but they have to make the effort....
>I just want software that works, and does cool stuff.
h tml
h tml#Saturday
You won't get that from Microsoft. Check out what Jerry Pournelle has to say about Front Page 2000 and Front Page 98 on his web site. We told him so, but he didn't want to listen...
http://www.jerrypournelle.com/view/currentview.
http://www.jerrypournelle.com/view/currentview.
And most of the kiddies who are posting mp3's are hot stuff listen to the Spice Girls. 'Nuff said about their taste in music.
>Heck, lots of people I know refuse to by Microsoft's hardware, which >is some of the best hardware on the market,
Bullshit. A lot of people refuse to buy Mircosoft hardware because it's cheaply made and overpriced. Are you seriously sugesting that that the Microsoft mice are better than the ones made by Logitech for instance? I've yet to see a Microsoft joystick that is better designed than my Nintedo 3d1 PC joystick. Yes, Nintendo designed a joystick for use with the PC.
As for the response to the article, well the person who wrote it got exactly what he devserved, just as NATO gave the Serbia what it deserved. What people like yourself are going to have to accept is the old days of "computer journalism" where a person could write the kind of article slamming something, submit it to a magazine and escape the results of their actions is over with. If a reporter wants to avoid the kind of fallout that people like yourself are bitching about, then he had better damn well be sure of his facts before posting the damn thing in the first place. There's a well-know term for the kind of article that Bryar submitted to Andover News. It's called yellow journalism.
>Linux made me into a sysadmin and it will make thousands more.
Exactly. This is the fear that's driving the anti-Unix/Linux camp. When people learn the basics of Linux,they are also pretty much learning the basics of Unix and saying to themselves,"Hey you know something? Unix isn't as hard or as bad as lot of people has made it out to be".
Linux has revived interest in Unix again and this can be nothing but a good thing for the future of us all.