I find it much easier and much cheaper to move every six months and change my name every 12 months. It's as simple as picking a name on a gravestone, and filling for a tax ID number for a business by that name. It will run you about 1500 grand for the entire process and that does add up, but it's a lot cheaper than actually making car and house payments! Like I'm going to fork out the 3 grand a month they want for this condo. It's ridiculous. The 15 grand a month I make from spam is more wisely spent on hookers and drugs. Take it from me, paying bills is for suckers.
It's a good thing no motherboard/bios makers have created a way to update the bios through the Windows OS then. Wait a minute, THEY HAVE. And your scenerio is a possible reality right now! Whereas what I'm suggesting would only be available from the bios menu, and not in the OS. You wouldn't be able to touch the bios from the OS. Did you even read my post?
They could pop a tcp/ip stack and a dhcp client on a chip so you could do a network download/install of a new bios from the motherboard bios menu. This assumes you have some sort of NAT and dhcpd network and a built in NIC or wireless adapter. It's common enough that it would make life easier for a lot of people. Especially corporate environments.
I know how I did it. I did a search on google for a "dos boot disk image", found one, downloaded it, then used "dd" to make it. After that it was a matter of mounting the dos floppy and copying my new bios file to it. Reboot, run flash.exe, done.
They could upgrade the fleet with some people smart enough to use some cameras to look at a shuttle wing before reentry after a HUGE ASS PIECE OF DEBRIS very obviously slams into one of their shuttles. Just a thought.
Ummm, last time took me about 40 minutes to install Red Hat ES 3.0, most of that being format time (1 TB Fiber Channel). And I can't remember wanting to throw anything anywhere because I'm not a fucking moron that doesn't understand how computers work. Everything in the DL380 was detected and worked like a charm. One reboot. Ran up2date. Machine updated. First time I had ever installed Red Hat ES 3.0. Of course, Linux is beyond some people that need pretty pictures and everything explained to them. There is this growing need to have things so ridiculously easy that morons can understand them. The 12:00 12:00 12:00 on the VCR crowd. There has always been a need for the mediocritomatons to raise hell about things they are too fucking stupid to understand though. Just don't expect the rest of the world to dumb itself down for your stupid asses forever.
That would be the major reason to ignore this story completely. The *laugh* analyst *laugh* in this case is a known douchebag. The "Enderle Group" is made up of exactly one person. Wild guess who. If anyone takes offense at my use of the word douchebag, you come up with a better word to describe someone that creates a "group" that contains only themselves and puts their last name in the title of said group. Perhaps he has imaginary friends or multiple personalities or pets he counts in his membership totals.
Stand back for the flood of neocon love. And who could blame them? Not that I'm exactly an angel here all the time, but this story is a blatant troll. Have you no shame?
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Does running btdownloadheadless on a foreign shell account while going through an open proxy in brazil through your neighbors insecure wireless access point count as another country?
You tell em. It's high time that damn sysadmins shut up and realize they are BENEATH us developers. YOU ARE. You can't code. Neener neener. I code so I am better than you. The sooner the admins wake up and realize they are second class citizens the better. And I BETTER not see anymore of you admin types at conferences. They cost big money, and it's wasted on you. I'm sick of surfing through a sea of second class citizens at comdex.
They need to wake up and understand that us developers are the true brains behind the enterprise. We walk on water. We are GODS I tell you. I can't count the number of times I've had to yell at my sysadmins for making the coffee too strong, not popping grapes in my mouth fast enough, or moving the hand-fans too slowly. The fuckers. It's as if they don't understand that their purpose in life is to serve me. That the entire company exists not as a profit generating entity, but as my personal support system. Heaven forbid I do something smart like suggest or create a decent PROJECT LIFE CYCLE to avoid conflicts with other departments. I'd much rather whine on slashdot. Now I have to go. My 3 o'clock rubdown is coming up and I need at least another 2 hours of slashdot reading time before that. I mean christ, what do they pay me for.
More importantly, if you are that good you probably aren't the kind of piece of shit that would hack a server and get caught so easily. You'd probably have things like a life and a job. I'd bet cash this was more of those index.* replacers that seem to think they are special because they can make a posting to zone-h. They had no idea it was a gentoo rsync server at all is my guess.
Yup. Because making sure I can shoot my console gaming system is very important to me. I mean, I just totally fucking lose it and shoot shit all the time. You should see my house. My coworkers cringe when they see me pull a gun out to shoot my laptop. Like it's a big deal or something. I'm glad microsoft is addressing this important, and often overlooked area in console design. I hope President Bush gives Bill Gates some sort of presidential design award for patriotic console design of the year. We must stop the terrorists with our SUV's.
As a career admin who has worked for 15 fortune 100 company as either an employee or a consultant in the past decade, and currently as the project lead replacing an aging proprietary UNIX solution for a telecom spanning an ENTIRE STATE you are on crack. To dot the I's and cross the T's I hired FIVE independant firms to do cost benefit analysis on proprietary versus open source even though I already knew the answer. The long and the short of it is, over a 5 year period for our particular needs the BEST case scenerio for cost with the cheapest possible proprietary solution factoring in maintenance, upfront costs, and scale was 10 million dollars. The highest price for an open source solution was 4.3 million and that was because it was a hybrid solution that was about 50 percent proprietary and not purely open source. The solution I went with was 90 percent debian based (since redhat is doing it's thing, and SuSe is uncertain because of the merger) and 10 percent Solaris/Oracle and will cost an estimated 2.3 million. And for the record I freaking HATE debian but it makes the most sense for this particular situation.
You are attempting to defend an undefendable position based on the credibility of an obviously biased company attempting to manipulate reality to render their desired outcome yet you feel the need to rail against someone because of some spelling errors? I tend to give someone that does not speak english as their first language measure of respect especially when they destroy a pathetic point I'm trying to make with better english and a better thought out argument than mine even if there are a few misspellings. You need to drift slightly farther away from zealot to be taken seriously.
Yet, hospitals run Linux. A portion of Air Traffic Control runs Linux. Banks run Linux. Investment firms run Linux. Trading companys run Linux. The Military runs Linux. The Department of Homeland Security runs Linux by preference. Oracle pushes Linux as it's preferred platform. It doesn't look like you really have a point there. Thank you for playing. Please try again!:)
When an article shows obvious bias, you can pretty much ignore the entire thing. Just because an article is anti-ms doesn't make anything said about MS more truthful. The fact that the article is slanted at all make the entire thing a rubbish heap.
Secondly, I'm just plain right about security and permissions. It's what I do for a living, and what has put food on the table for nearly 3 decades now. Clearly it doesn't matter if I believe you. This isn't a belief issue. This is a knowing issue. You are claiming that windows file permissions are "more flexible" but give no definition of what flexible means in this case. In the real world, they are not more flexible because they are harder to implement and slower to modify. Flexibility implies usability. You can have all the features in the world, but a crappy interface to those features does not "more flexible" make.
Lastly, how feature rich does an NOS have to be? How many of those "features" were simply addons to justify incrementing the version another number so they could sell the same product again? Understand they are reinventing the wheel here yet again. These are all things that had existed prior to their attempt. Just because they redid the same thing that someone else had already done, used their own proprietary protocal, and kept adding "features" so they could continue milking money from their captive customers does not make it "better". I've noticed that you aren't attempting to say it's "better" just "more feature rich" so I'm not trying to put words in your mouth. I just want to make sure you understand that "more feature rich" does not mean "better" or "more secure" or "more functional". It's simply a buzzword used to sell people something they probably don't need.
It did come off that way. That's the only point I was making. As far as feature rich, I'm tending to agree with the anonymous coward that posted below but I wouldn't use those exact terms. Microsoft is coming along. They are figuring out that they need to get rid of the GUI bloat and provide better scripting and command line administration tools. I've played with their newest shell, and it's quite impressive. It still feels like they are reinventing the wheel, and not quite as well, but it's a step in the right direction. They still won't have the ability to automatically script sweeping security and permissions changes into something short and elegant for a while. You'll still be chained to a GUI to make security adjustments. I'm reminded of an incident where someone accidentally screwed the permissions on a 60,000 user mail spool and I had to fix it. If something of this nature happened on windows, you'd better pray you have a backup, and you'd better pray that backup method records file and ownership permissions. My fix ended up being a 10 line perl script. You simply don't have that power with windows yet. It doesn't matter how great the possibilities are if the tools aren't up to snuff.
A contemporary NOS (whether it be intraNetWare, Windows NT Server, or UNIX-based) provides a centralized authentication service, access to shared system resources like files and printers, and some sort of directory service (whether it be distributed like NDS or NIS+, or local like NetWare's SAP or Microsoft's WINS). *NIX has had this functionality forever. Since long before Microsoft even existed. You are showing your age, and your ignorance. Try getting out there more. It's better when you actually know the answer to a question because you do it for a living, then having to troll out a single biased source of information that you obviously didn't read. It's actually biased AGAINST windows.
The GUI tool (Explorer, Properties, Security) supplied with Windows to maintain file and directory security is both very awkward to use (right mouse click, {Alt+R} or mouse menu selection, mouse tab selection - no hot key, {Alt+ P} or mouse button click, then add, remove or otherwise modify settings) and like a sledge hammer making it almost impossible to achieve the highly granular access controls that NTFS is intrinsically capable of.
And that's a very unnecessary slight against NT. It's not nearly as hard as they are making it out. That doesn't change the fact that the entire story is flawed because the degree of control you have over permissions and ownership of files in *NIX is much greater, and much more logical by default than it is with windows. The fact that so many processes HAVE to run as the "priveleged user" in the windows environment negate any imaginary benefits with the supposed "more granular" NT implementation.
So you are a troll, but you knew that. And a really crappy one at that. At least take the time to actually read the "unbiased source" next time you use it for an example. Seriously. Take the time to learn something. It benefits us all.
One of the pay internet terminals at the airport in the twin cities. The incredibly buggy embedded microsoft OS driven internet TV dealio in the hotel room at the ritz carlton in vegas. But I've been traveling a lot lately. About 6 months ago I had an ATM bluescreen on me while it was halfway through printing my receipt. I did get my card back though.
How about a fully featured security model with rights, privileges, ACLs, etc.?
Umm, yeah. *NIX kinda had that first. It's called/etc/password and/etc/group. There's also these neat file permission and ownership things that have been around forever. Nice to see Microsoft finally catching up. They should have started copying *NIX a while ago. It would have saved them a ton of security heartaches. The way that Win2k3 (excellent product btw) has finally started delivering what the customer wants by blatantly copying *NIX features was a smart business move.
Obviously Linux does have a security model, but it doesn't stack up feature-wise
Ummm, yeah. You'd have to actually explain why you think this. It flies in the face of everything I know about securing operating systems.
How about a fully functional NOS integrated with security?
I don't think that means what you think it means or you'd be kicking yourself.
Keep in mind I'm not begrudging Linux at all.
I completely agree. You'd have to know what you are talking about to begrudge it.
But to try to claim that the OSS world has everything that Windows has is pure fantasy.
Very true. OSS doesn't have nearly as many viruses, security problems, stability issues, bugs , and slow security updates. It also doesn't seem to have the insane pricetag associated with windows. That and you don't have to do business with a convicted monopolist. That's important to some of us. I don't do business with criminals no matter how much money they have.
Never mind the fact that usability on the Windows side is generally better.
I wouldn't say better. Just that they have a captive userbase and a standarized interface. I can think of about 2 different interfaces that are "better" from my perspective. Not to say it isn't a good interface. It's very good in fact.
Denial is not the answer.
But apparently ignorance is the answer, or "bliss" as they say. You need to learn much young grasshopper.
Height helps you pull off a leather trenchcoat and look "cool". Not being a fat fuck helps enormously. Nothing is dumber looking than a short fat guy wearing a leather trenchcoat. It ends up looking like a skirt.
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to call some animal shelters. I'm sure he'll turn up or wander home in a few days.
I find it much easier and much cheaper to move every six months and change my name every 12 months. It's as simple as picking a name on a gravestone, and filling for a tax ID number for a business by that name. It will run you about 1500 grand for the entire process and that does add up, but it's a lot cheaper than actually making car and house payments! Like I'm going to fork out the 3 grand a month they want for this condo. It's ridiculous. The 15 grand a month I make from spam is more wisely spent on hookers and drugs. Take it from me, paying bills is for suckers.
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It's a good thing no motherboard/bios makers have created a way to update the bios through the Windows OS then. Wait a minute, THEY HAVE. And your scenerio is a possible reality right now! Whereas what I'm suggesting would only be available from the bios menu, and not in the OS. You wouldn't be able to touch the bios from the OS. Did you even read my post?
They could pop a tcp/ip stack and a dhcp client on a chip so you could do a network download/install of a new bios from the motherboard bios menu. This assumes you have some sort of NAT and dhcpd network and a built in NIC or wireless adapter. It's common enough that it would make life easier for a lot of people. Especially corporate environments.
I know how I did it. I did a search on google for a "dos boot disk image", found one, downloaded it, then used "dd" to make it. After that it was a matter of mounting the dos floppy and copying my new bios file to it. Reboot, run flash.exe, done.
They could upgrade the fleet with some people smart enough to use some cameras to look at a shuttle wing before reentry after a HUGE ASS PIECE OF DEBRIS very obviously slams into one of their shuttles. Just a thought.
Ummm, last time took me about 40 minutes to install Red Hat ES 3.0, most of that being format time (1 TB Fiber Channel). And I can't remember wanting to throw anything anywhere because I'm not a fucking moron that doesn't understand how computers work. Everything in the DL380 was detected and worked like a charm. One reboot. Ran up2date. Machine updated. First time I had ever installed Red Hat ES 3.0. Of course, Linux is beyond some people that need pretty pictures and everything explained to them. There is this growing need to have things so ridiculously easy that morons can understand them. The 12:00 12:00 12:00 on the VCR crowd. There has always been a need for the mediocritomatons to raise hell about things they are too fucking stupid to understand though. Just don't expect the rest of the world to dumb itself down for your stupid asses forever.
That would be the major reason to ignore this story completely. The *laugh* analyst *laugh* in this case is a known douchebag. The "Enderle Group" is made up of exactly one person. Wild guess who. If anyone takes offense at my use of the word douchebag, you come up with a better word to describe someone that creates a "group" that contains only themselves and puts their last name in the title of said group. Perhaps he has imaginary friends or multiple personalities or pets he counts in his membership totals.
Stand back for the flood of neocon love. And who could blame them? Not that I'm exactly an angel here all the time, but this story is a blatant troll. Have you no shame?
Does running btdownloadheadless on a foreign shell account while going through an open proxy in brazil through your neighbors insecure wireless access point count as another country?
You tell em. It's high time that damn sysadmins shut up and realize they are BENEATH us developers. YOU ARE. You can't code. Neener neener. I code so I am better than you. The sooner the admins wake up and realize they are second class citizens the better. And I BETTER not see anymore of you admin types at conferences. They cost big money, and it's wasted on you. I'm sick of surfing through a sea of second class citizens at comdex.
No truer words have been said.
They need to wake up and understand that us developers are the true brains behind the enterprise. We walk on water. We are GODS I tell you. I can't count the number of times I've had to yell at my sysadmins for making the coffee too strong, not popping grapes in my mouth fast enough, or moving the hand-fans too slowly. The fuckers. It's as if they don't understand that their purpose in life is to serve me. That the entire company exists not as a profit generating entity, but as my personal support system. Heaven forbid I do something smart like suggest or create a decent PROJECT LIFE CYCLE to avoid conflicts with other departments. I'd much rather whine on slashdot. Now I have to go. My 3 o'clock rubdown is coming up and I need at least another 2 hours of slashdot reading time before that. I mean christ, what do they pay me for.
More importantly, if you are that good you probably aren't the kind of piece of shit that would hack a server and get caught so easily. You'd probably have things like a life and a job. I'd bet cash this was more of those index.* replacers that seem to think they are special because they can make a posting to zone-h. They had no idea it was a gentoo rsync server at all is my guess.
Yup. Because making sure I can shoot my console gaming system is very important to me. I mean, I just totally fucking lose it and shoot shit all the time. You should see my house. My coworkers cringe when they see me pull a gun out to shoot my laptop. Like it's a big deal or something. I'm glad microsoft is addressing this important, and often overlooked area in console design. I hope President Bush gives Bill Gates some sort of presidential design award for patriotic console design of the year. We must stop the terrorists with our SUV's.
As a career admin who has worked for 15 fortune 100 company as either an employee or a consultant in the past decade, and currently as the project lead replacing an aging proprietary UNIX solution for a telecom spanning an ENTIRE STATE you are on crack. To dot the I's and cross the T's I hired FIVE independant firms to do cost benefit analysis on proprietary versus open source even though I already knew the answer. The long and the short of it is, over a 5 year period for our particular needs the BEST case scenerio for cost with the cheapest possible proprietary solution factoring in maintenance, upfront costs, and scale was 10 million dollars. The highest price for an open source solution was 4.3 million and that was because it was a hybrid solution that was about 50 percent proprietary and not purely open source. The solution I went with was 90 percent debian based (since redhat is doing it's thing, and SuSe is uncertain because of the merger) and 10 percent Solaris/Oracle and will cost an estimated 2.3 million. And for the record I freaking HATE debian but it makes the most sense for this particular situation.
ok so like,
You are attempting to defend an undefendable position based on the credibility of an obviously biased company attempting to manipulate reality to render their desired outcome yet you feel the need to rail against someone because of some spelling errors? I tend to give someone that does not speak english as their first language measure of respect especially when they destroy a pathetic point I'm trying to make with better english and a better thought out argument than mine even if there are a few misspellings. You need to drift slightly farther away from zealot to be taken seriously.
Yet, hospitals run Linux. A portion of Air Traffic Control runs Linux. Banks run Linux. Investment firms run Linux. Trading companys run Linux. The Military runs Linux. The Department of Homeland Security runs Linux by preference. Oracle pushes Linux as it's preferred platform. It doesn't look like you really have a point there. Thank you for playing. Please try again! :)
When an article shows obvious bias, you can pretty much ignore the entire thing. Just because an article is anti-ms doesn't make anything said about MS more truthful. The fact that the article is slanted at all make the entire thing a rubbish heap.
Secondly, I'm just plain right about security and permissions. It's what I do for a living, and what has put food on the table for nearly 3 decades now. Clearly it doesn't matter if I believe you. This isn't a belief issue. This is a knowing issue. You are claiming that windows file permissions are "more flexible" but give no definition of what flexible means in this case. In the real world, they are not more flexible because they are harder to implement and slower to modify. Flexibility implies usability. You can have all the features in the world, but a crappy interface to those features does not "more flexible" make.
Lastly, how feature rich does an NOS have to be? How many of those "features" were simply addons to justify incrementing the version another number so they could sell the same product again? Understand they are reinventing the wheel here yet again. These are all things that had existed prior to their attempt. Just because they redid the same thing that someone else had already done, used their own proprietary protocal, and kept adding "features" so they could continue milking money from their captive customers does not make it "better". I've noticed that you aren't attempting to say it's "better" just "more feature rich" so I'm not trying to put words in your mouth. I just want to make sure you understand that "more feature rich" does not mean "better" or "more secure" or "more functional". It's simply a buzzword used to sell people something they probably don't need.
It did come off that way. That's the only point I was making. As far as feature rich, I'm tending to agree with the anonymous coward that posted below but I wouldn't use those exact terms. Microsoft is coming along. They are figuring out that they need to get rid of the GUI bloat and provide better scripting and command line administration tools. I've played with their newest shell, and it's quite impressive. It still feels like they are reinventing the wheel, and not quite as well, but it's a step in the right direction. They still won't have the ability to automatically script sweeping security and permissions changes into something short and elegant for a while. You'll still be chained to a GUI to make security adjustments. I'm reminded of an incident where someone accidentally screwed the permissions on a 60,000 user mail spool and I had to fix it. If something of this nature happened on windows, you'd better pray you have a backup, and you'd better pray that backup method records file and ownership permissions. My fix ended up being a 10 line perl script. You simply don't have that power with windows yet. It doesn't matter how great the possibilities are if the tools aren't up to snuff.
A contemporary NOS (whether it be intraNetWare, Windows NT Server, or UNIX-based) provides a centralized authentication service, access to shared system resources like files and printers, and some sort of directory service (whether it be distributed like NDS or NIS+, or local like NetWare's SAP or Microsoft's WINS). *NIX has had this functionality forever. Since long before Microsoft even existed. You are showing your age, and your ignorance. Try getting out there more. It's better when you actually know the answer to a question because you do it for a living, then having to troll out a single biased source of information that you obviously didn't read. It's actually biased AGAINST windows.
The GUI tool (Explorer, Properties, Security) supplied with Windows to maintain file and directory security is both very awkward to use (right mouse click, {Alt+R} or mouse menu selection, mouse tab selection - no hot key, {Alt+ P} or mouse button click, then add, remove or otherwise modify settings) and like a sledge hammer making it almost impossible to achieve the highly granular access controls that NTFS is intrinsically capable of.
And that's a very unnecessary slight against NT. It's not nearly as hard as they are making it out. That doesn't change the fact that the entire story is flawed because the degree of control you have over permissions and ownership of files in *NIX is much greater, and much more logical by default than it is with windows. The fact that so many processes HAVE to run as the "priveleged user" in the windows environment negate any imaginary benefits with the supposed "more granular" NT implementation.
So you are a troll, but you knew that. And a really crappy one at that. At least take the time to actually read the "unbiased source" next time you use it for an example. Seriously. Take the time to learn something. It benefits us all.
One of the pay internet terminals at the airport in the twin cities. The incredibly buggy embedded microsoft OS driven internet TV dealio in the hotel room at the ritz carlton in vegas. But I've been traveling a lot lately. About 6 months ago I had an ATM bluescreen on me while it was halfway through printing my receipt. I did get my card back though.
Ummm,
/etc/password and /etc/group. There's also these neat file permission and ownership things that have been around forever. Nice to see Microsoft finally catching up. They should have started copying *NIX a while ago. It would have saved them a ton of security heartaches. The way that Win2k3 (excellent product btw) has finally started delivering what the customer wants by blatantly copying *NIX features was a smart business move.
How about a fully featured security model with rights, privileges, ACLs, etc.?
Umm, yeah. *NIX kinda had that first. It's called
Obviously Linux does have a security model, but it doesn't stack up feature-wise
Ummm, yeah. You'd have to actually explain why you think this. It flies in the face of everything I know about securing operating systems.
How about a fully functional NOS integrated with security?
I don't think that means what you think it means or you'd be kicking yourself.
Keep in mind I'm not begrudging Linux at all.
I completely agree. You'd have to know what you are talking about to begrudge it.
But to try to claim that the OSS world has everything that Windows has is pure fantasy.
Very true. OSS doesn't have nearly as many viruses, security problems, stability issues, bugs , and slow security updates. It also doesn't seem to have the insane pricetag associated with windows. That and you don't have to do business with a convicted monopolist. That's important to some of us. I don't do business with criminals no matter how much money they have.
Never mind the fact that usability on the Windows side is generally better.
I wouldn't say better. Just that they have a captive userbase and a standarized interface. I can think of about 2 different interfaces that are "better" from my perspective. Not to say it isn't a good interface. It's very good in fact.
Denial is not the answer.
But apparently ignorance is the answer, or "bliss" as they say. You need to learn much young grasshopper.
Very true. Funny you should mention "the matrix". I was just watching The Invasion Of Time just the other day. One of my favorites.
Height helps you pull off a leather trenchcoat and look "cool". Not being a fat fuck helps enormously. Nothing is dumber looking than a short fat guy wearing a leather trenchcoat. It ends up looking like a skirt.