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Kazaa-lite Shut Down
atari2600 writes "Finally it has happened. Zeropaid is reporting that the Kazaalite K++ project has been shutdown by Sharman Networks. The project, which had been set up to block spy and ad ware within the Kazaa Media Desktop Program has achieved notoriety within the P2p world through its simplistic approach and success in reverse engineering the Kazaa application."
Well I guess thats one way to stop P2P usage. Destroy the only good kazaa client.
Wait until MPAA and RIAA shut you down now too...
P2P is forbidden in our campus anyway, not much has changed for me...
sombody will just come up with something better to replace it. (they always do)
the king is dead, long live the king!
I've found that the time it takes to get good (192kbps+) versions of songs off of a complete album is much longer and expensive than simply shelling out 10 bucks for the CD at a music store.
So, I don't even use P2P anymore. I have no interest in movies or games or whatever, just music.
Unless your time is worth nothing, you should just buy the factory CDs anyway. Plus, you can show the artists you like (White Stripes, Strokes, Outkast) that you enjoy what they do.
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Who cares, there ae enough GiFT frontends for both linux and windows available which will give you the same functionality.
Sharman shutting down K++ for copyright infringement? Isn't that what the RIAA is trying to do to Sharman... I know, I know, sharman doesn't actually host illegal files on their site, but it seems their entire business model revolves around copying music illegally.
And already /.'ed. Doesn't anyone have a mirror?
Well, it is a decentralized network, so it cannot be shut down. Nut there will be no more updates, I suppose.
I think Sharman will be in for a surprise once the find out that 75% of its 'users' were on the bootleged client. It's pretty obvious, those users aren't coming back either. The RIAA has already turned that network to shit with their corrupted songs. I guess we call all move on up to BitTorrent :D
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That was a very fast slashdotting of Zeropaid, perhaps Sharman shut them down too?
Visit BobtheKing.com it's perhaps the best thing I've ever made to waste your time with.
And someone will strip-out the spyware.
And, pray tell, how can something out of the reach of the RIAA's long legal arm can have things done????
Just search for kazaa lite ++.
i give it oh, another 3 months before we see an equivalent replacement....
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... and I only had 1 meg left till I finished my Hulk download
Slashdot has taken down Zeropaid...
You can still find it on Kazaa. Oh the irony.
and i was just about to download it to get some songs i REALLY need. that's super great. on the other hand, now i'm not doing anything illegal, and that's always good.
Don't even try to argue. It is NOT worth the while to go round the world to count the cats in Zanzibar.
I'm sure I'm just stating the obvious here, but isn't it a little hypocritical for them to complain about people breaking their license agreement when 99.9% of the time their software is used to steal from other companies?
Zeropaid /.'ed. Alternative article. Probably the original anyway.. zeropaid has a habit of ahem 'stealing' news.
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My Kazaa Lite still works... I don't feel the need to upgrade anytime soon, so it's not going to make a huge difference to me. Heck, I'm still using Word 97.
Even if the Kazaa Lite website goes away, what's to prevent people from trading the old version of Kazaa Lite on Kazaa?
That link is no longer on the site. I'm currently writing a paper on RIAA actions against the MP3 technology. This would be another good tickmark in my paper; showing RIAA's over zelousness in attacking computer technology.
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Guess it's time to start using mlMac and Poisoned on my Mac
"Where do P2P'ers go when they die" ..."
"They don't go to heaven where the angels fly
The project, which had been set up to block spy and ad ware within the Kazaa Media Desktop Program has achieved notoriety within the P2p world through its simplistic approach and success in reverse engineering the Kazaa application.
However, the program infringed on the copyright of Sharman Networks, the company that now own and program the Kazaa Media Desktop application, after the purchase of the code and copyright in 2002. The FastTrack (Kazaa) network is financed through advertising systems, which Kazaa Lite K++ does not include, and so was seen as a threat by the owners.
Sharman have threatened legal action, and ordered that the offending content be removed from the official Kazaa Lite sites, including http://www.kazaalite.tk/ which now contains no reference to the existance of the application.
RatFaced said that the decision was ?Ironic, that Kazaa is complaining about copyright issues, especially as K-Lite ++ stands for everything that Kazaa CLAIMS to stand for... but fails to deliver.?
We will perhaps never see Kazaa Lite again, but we can hope that users will remain aware of the spyware that is hidden inside the Kazaa application, which is used to finance the creation of the software.
eMule and WinMX offer spyware-free alternatives to Kazaa.
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it took me half an hour last night to find the newest version and I eventually had to download it (the english version mind you) from Germany.
And be it that it may that you are only interested in music, many other people do have other interests. I use kazaa k++ for perfectly legitimate reasons, such as finding beta patches to games or looking for humerous video clips.
Why should people "just buy the factory CDs anyway"? Most of them are crap. They are a waste of money. The RIAA has screwed itself with its own corporate greed by constantly promoting artists that are without talent. If I want to show the artists that I enjoy what they do, I will go to a live performance. Most artists are not seeing any substantial income from their CD sales- that gets eaten up by the record companies for a bunch of bullshit fees and promotion costs. Bands make their money from touring- and the RIAA now wants a bigger piece of that pie too.
1.) Download Kazaa
2.) Run Kazaa and search for K++ lite
3.) Download K++ lite from Kazaa
4.) Install K++ lite and delete Kazaa
Presto!
You must be new here. You're not supposed to fill in all the steps; you use a ??? for one of them.
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See, I live in a dorm, and we're unable to connect to Kazaa here, the network flat out won't let us, with no (legal) way around it. For some reason though, K-Lite still connects. Can someone reccomend a good program to me for all file types? I predominantly download movies, the occasional game to demo it, and sometimes music. And please don't reccomend iMesh. I don't know if I could have intentionally installed that much spyware on my computer. I strongly doubt they have anything of the GNU variety blocked, but there are so many GNU P2P programs I don;t know which one to get. Noobish question I'm sure, but any advice is appreciated.
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All the more reason to move to Shareaza.
So boys and girls, for your video needs, be they anime, TV shows or movies, turn over to
suprnova.org . It's not as exaustive as Kazaa, but there are thousand of excellent torrents over there.
I've said this before, and I will say it again. BT is not a good network for illegal content.
It's efficient in distributing large files quickly, especially if lots of people want them. However, it does so at the cost of any and all anonymity.. It's trivial to find IPs of people sharing any file (just ask the tracker; it'll give you a FULL LIST), without even downloading the file/joining the swarm yourself.
The MPAA at least has already begun sending DMCA-ish notices to ISPs stating "BitTorrent" as the network name..
As I've also said before, Don't do things illegal in your country!
(And if you want to do them, maybe you need to move to a different Country? God bless Canada and the blank media tax; I don't mind paying a little bit on every CD-R for a music piracy license!)
DJ kRYPT's Free MP3s!
oops, before they break out the lawyers and now the page has loaded: they credit PeerGuardian with the original story. Of course, whether that's the original original, who knows. hehe. the Net is wonderful in this way ;)
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I guess we can all move on up to BitTorrent :D
BitTorrent is too centralized for this kind of things (large scale, anyway).
Instead, check out eMule and Soulseek.
Treehugger? Treehugger... Treehugger!
Quicktime Alternative, Real Alternative and the K-L codec packs are still easy enough to find... I don't think KLite++ will disappear for long.
Ph-nglui mglw'nafh Gates M'dna wgah'nagl fhtagn.
For that matter, retooling the program as a patch wouldn't be that bad an idea. People download the real Kazaa, and then there's a prog they can download which converts it into K++.
It'll just be a little while before things stablize and it's generally available again.
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Is there any way I can do the same with BitTorrent? I looked at the documentation, and it's all a bit confusing (lots of switches, which I'm not sure where to put).
Many thanks in advance.
At the bottom of one of the articles about K++'s shutdown, is a link for Diet K (http://www.dietk.com/).
Since the site doesn't really say too much about it, has anyone ever used it?
You can find Kazaa on K Lite ++ too!
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how long it would take to be shut down. Imagine if someone released a free product called "Windows Light" that was just like M$ Windows but faster and hassle free. Microsoft would have them in court ASAP for all sorts of things.
:)
Or perhaps something like UNIX Light...oh wait, BSD did that and they DID have a court battle
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...no previews, no sales. Whereas I hear mindless pop rubbish on the radio and know not to buy it, record companies have lost one avenue to sell their less well-known artists. Not that they ever cared to promote many of them in the first place, but they definitely got money from me as a result...
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Like MLDonkey.. GiFT... etc..
Seems counterproductive to shut out access to the stuff you are trying to push.. Hmm sounds like the MPAA in a way if you think about it..
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As long as the application has been released, it's no big deal if it's been shut down. I mean, UltraHLE was only out for a few hours, but it survided.
"All art is quite useless." -- Oscar Wilde
You should use Bittorrent. The system of downloading it uses is really good. Get Bittorrent content here.
Of course, the RIAA isn't going after downloaders (I wonder if they'd win) -- they're going after uploaders. And having paid a tax on your CD-R media won't help there.
I just took a look at the Kazaa Lite homepage and found a new app on the list I haven't seen since my last check a few weeks ago.... It seems "Soul Seek" (that name bothers me) is the replacement they are now offering... One catch, IT'S A CENTRAL SERVER! So why hasn't the RIAA ran after this?
<conspiracy mode=1>
Maybe the RIAA has paid off the makers of K++ and made this new "app" as a honeypot for people to use instead so to collect data on users who request songs that are copyrighted... What kept K++ anonymous was its decentralized system, why would the RIAA not go after something that is directly hosting copyrighted files? Unless some news about the RIAA going after Soul Seek comes up, I am gonna steer clear of it...
<conspiracy mode=0>
Business \Busi"ness\, n.;
A scam in which all people involved perceive as beneficial...
1) Create really neat P2P application and release it for free
2) Get people addicted to free porn
3) Charge for service
4) ???
Political Correctness is doubleplusungood.
I just tested it and there are 3,678,170+/- users online with me. The article can't handle being slashdotted so I didn't really get to read it, but is there a set date when the client will become inactive?
Kazaa lite was getting bloated anyways. It serves it's purpose with the no advertisments. Instead, they decide to add all of these great features such as "download enhancers." There really isn't anything else they could add. The current version is fine.
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Download Kazaa
Search for KAzaa K++
download it
Install it
And delete the regular KAzaa
I know it works because I did it on a computer I was setting up.
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What if the song you want is a special remix which isn't available in the stores? What if the album you want is from an artist who nobody sells and the label which origionaly released the song is not around anymore? Does going down to the store and shelling out $15 for a CD which cannot be purchased to support that artist hold water anymore? I feel this is the REAL tragady of P2P. Plus I live in the US, I happen to like Eurodance and other forms of music from Europe. However such music is not easy to find here especialy since CDNow was purchased by Amazon.
Everyone talks about getting their music for free and whatnot. For me P2P was all about discovering new music. When I was on Napster back in the day my CD purchasing budget was about $50-$100 a month! I was getting new songs which *I* liked, not what some marketing department wanted me to listen to. Also as I mentioned earler, what about preserving music which cannot be found leagaly? P2P makes for a great medium for this!
Damm u RIAA, Metalica and everyone else who was against P2P.
---- Fight to protect your right to keep and arm bears! ummmm... ya I think that's right....
Sharman also operates P2P telephony-IM project called Skype I'm just wondering if there is any spyware in it and if so, is anybody going to create something like Skype Lite L++?
You can always download it here: OldVersion
Sound waves should be free!
My copy seems to work still.
Oh, so there won't be any new versions? No bug fixes? (Precious few bugs!) No new features? (Can't think of any I need).
The only problem is that they can change the protocol in a new release, and leave the K++ users out in the cold. But I wonder how many people use K++ versus the official client? Perhaps we wouldn't be the ones out in the cold...?
Longer? depends how far you are from the shops, and how fast your net connection is. N/m whether the store *has* what you want!
More expensive? haha.. one is free m8, or at least should be lower cost, if you're paying for the connection anyway or someone else is.
Lower quality? you're using the wrong networks, or don't know how to use them right, or are an audiophile who thinks he can hear differences but can't ABX them.
sorry to sound like an argumentative d*ck but the net *is* a better distribution method in general, for music.
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I really don't mind seeing ads in the software while I am using it, so I would be fine if GAIN still served random ads to the software. What I don't like is being barraged with ads while I am not using the software, and having my privacy violated by tracking. If someone could come up with a way to limit Gator to just giving the software ads to display, I'd be much more willing to use adware.
a bit off-topic I know, but if the ads weren't so damned annoying and intrusive, maybe people wouldn't turn to stuff like K++.
Does running btdownloadheadless on a foreign shell account while going through an open proxy in brazil through your neighbors insecure wireless access point count as another country?
For every annoying gentoo user, are three even more annoying anti-gentoo crybabies. Take Yosh from #Gimp for example.
In some peoples' experience, suprnova.org has not been very good in serving the torrent files and/or downloads have been slow. May I suggest popping over to www.filesoup.com and registering yourself there. It seems a much better service.
On another note, there still lies the problem that trackers do not scale with the actual bittorrent transfers, so the more people on a given torrent collection site, the slower the trackers are going to be serving up the torrents
Bittorrent uploads as well as downloads. Uploads are illegal in Canada.
New formula:
1) Find old not-so-funny joke
2) Ruin it
3) Profit!
We do not live in the 21st century. We live in the 20 second century.
The main thing that people may not be getting is that not only is Sharman shutting down the Kazaa Lite download sites (which in it of itself would not be so much of a problem since it can be distributed over P2P), it's also making the new client (2.5) not let K-Lite (or any Kazaa under 2.4 for that matter) participate in its shares, basically banning it from the mainstream Kazaa network. If we factor in the fact that K-Lite users generally disable becoming a supernode, this becomes a real problem.
However, the article also mentions that there is DietK which strips all of the adware off of Kazaa (although it doesn't have all of the other nice features of K-Lite), and other clients which are still compatible with the fast track network.
WinMX is good for music/video content. Emule is good for anything else, if a bit slow.
kazaa lite k++ will still work you just wont be able to download the installer any more.
Last.fm - join the social music revolution
Alot of people don't seem to care about Kazaalite. To some degree I don't either; it certainly doesn't effect me. This does, however, set a very bad legal precident.
Alot of the spyware out there is destructive. It can and does slow your computer down, mess with your system settings, and in some cases completely disable your computer. Perhaps if Kazaalite was making money off this (i think they might have been..maybe it was diet kazaa) it would be a slightly different matter. Regardless, users of their own computers should have the right to disable software which causes their computer to do things which they don't want it to. Hell, forget doing it for a profit. A car manufacturer can't prevent me from buying a modified or refurbished car from a private dealer.
Alot of people out there want to pass consumer rights laws to combat the DMCA and other intrusive laws. This is not a good solution -- its only an eternal game of cat and mouse. These laws need to be repealed. Sure, let microsoft use copy-protection and other schemes for their xbox, but don't stop me, as the owner of that piece of equipment, from modifying it so that it does what *I* want it too.
The problem with your argument is that most people don't want to download all the songs on an album- they only want a few. To download 2 or 3 good songs off of an album at high quality (192kbps+) still takes less time than it would to get in your car and drive to the store. And it is also infinitely cheaper.
Funny you should say that because there was a USA Today article in today's newspaper that discussed the implications of a single song music market, ie- the end of the album. There are still some artists who produce albums as an artistic whole, not just a bunch of singles, but as a complete artistic statement. The fear is that if the per song market becomes dominent, that the art of albums will consequently suffer.
Definitely some interesting thoughts to consider. I've been on both sides of the fence. I've bought albums that I thought, "Wow, the rest of this sucks." and I've also bought albums and thought, "Wow, I'm so glad I have all of this, it rocks!".
Who said Freedom was Fair?
I predict that the only consequences that this could have for Sherman's network are negative ones. Honestly, have the sharers with fast connections been using the proper, sherman client? Simply, NO! Can one really expect, after so long sans spyware, these advanced, high-speed users to begin to use their spyware-filled client? Simply, NO! These users will maintain the status quo by continuing to use their existing Kazaa-lite clients, or they won't share on the Kazaa network at all; either way, how does this help you, Sherman?
and due to the masses of people going there, they're having bigtime bandwidth problems.
not only that, but their trackers keep going down.
MABASPLOOM!
SS is a seperate network developed by an ex-Napster programmer (you can see the similarities in the client app) which has managed to stay under the radar fairly nicely and i for one don't want to see shutdown, seeing as it has a nice community and song selection. yes it is centralised, currently it is two networks in fact, but your conspiracy theory is way off ok; these things are not connected, i'm 99% sure.
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No big loss, let me assure you. Just go the video store and rent "The Hot Spot" or "Career Opportunities" instead.
I'm assuming the biggest reason anyone would want to watch Hulk would be for Jennifer Connolly (or maybe I should say biggest reasons ).
GMD
watch this
It looks fine to me, weirdly.
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I seem to recall that our friend Bay TSP was using a modified version of Kazaa Lite K++ to search for enfringers on the Kazaa network.
Bay TSP is run by that ex-hacker guy and they specialize in finding all MP3s share on all sources, and log the IP as well as time, date, other info.
Maybe its not a bad thing Kazaa Lite was shut down, at least it will keep Bay TSP off the Kazaa network.
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Tried MLDonkey? (Google it). It works on Fasttrack as well as Bittorrent, EDonkey, even has Soulseek support.
Someone mirror the Kazaa Lite binary somewhere, how else am I supposed to tell people through tech support to download it?
It's better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.
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carefull, don't ruin it for everybody.
Music should be made because it is fun and it brings joy and happiness to peoples lives, not for money. Musicians should have real jobs to make money, or make there money entirely from appearances. The fact musicians want many for there music is a form of prostitution, not of women, but of music. I don't charge people when I make them laugh or they have a good time this me. My reward, being more valuable then money, is the knowledge that I elevated this this persons level happiness.
come on, everyone knows the last step is Profit!
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You should try limewire, it's much better than Kazaa anyways; Recently it's download speed and efficiency has improved greatly. When you pay for it, you don't have any ad-ware, and you get free updates for 6 months.
..no one cared, as they have all moved to other methods of file-getting. :D
Overnet (formerly eDonkey)
Games, Software, Keygens, Cracks, anything you can think of, just a little slow at beginning of download, but after awhile, downloads from over 100 sources at a time.
DC++
Games, Software, Keygens, Cracks, anything you can think of, just a little harder to use and overall slower, unless you use the 1stleg hublist (http://www.1stleg.com/PublicHubList.config)
Soulseek
Mainly for music. Search for artists, select lots of tracks, leave on overnight and PRESTO! Instant GIGABYTES of music.
BitTorrent
Use other sites to search for files, and download with this software.
That's all I can think of right now, but that should get you started.
I used to love Kazaa lite. But, without it, I'll just stop wasteing time downloading songs that static out after 20 seconds, or are mislabeled, or whatever. I haven't found a decent copy of a song in weeks. I think the RIAA is purposefully filling up Kazaa with junk, it's certainly a more effective tactic than sueing people.
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the new shareaza beta is amazing, hasn't crashed, but it includes the gnutella, gnutella2 (mike's...),edonkey, and bittorrent download here PS: No Spyware
"trackers keep going down"
.9%. It stays that way until they get another tracker up.
For people who don't understand the severity of this, what ends up happening when a tracker goes down is you have 30 or so people connected who all have 99.1% of the download, and no one has the remaining
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Yeah its good, I wouldnt use normal kazaa.
:-(
Now where am I going to get my 5mb porn clips from
Bush and Blair ate my sig!
The trouble with Bittorrent is, how do you search for things? You need to point it to one of those bittorrent files right? How do you find ones with good pirated content?
OOh... Wonder how long it will take K++ Source to Appear on Kazza's network :)
Who needs WiFi when we can have Packet Over Sheep! http://datacomm.org/PoS-InternetDraft.txt
Kinda went downhill for me after going to their page required you to click on all these annoying popup ads and all this other garbage.
It sorta made the whole thing ironic... he made the program so others wouldn't have to listen to all the popup and spyware that came up on kazaa... yet this web page where you DOWNLOAD kazaalite is filled with gator ads, popups, and other annoying things.
Even worse, you couldn't just block the popups; he banned you from the page if you were using anything but IE!
Bah.
hookers and grits.
There's a new Kazaa spyware-free client out called Fat-Free Decaffinated K!
Procrastination sucks.
"And please don't reccomend iMesh. I don't know if I could have intentionally installed that much spyware on my computer."
Instructions:
1. Go to Google.
2. Search for CleaniMesh
3. Download CleaniMesh
4. ???
5. Profit, I suppose
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Step 1: Download KaZaA Step 2: Search for KaZaA Lite Problem solved!
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LimeWire (and other Gnutella clients)
Emule
Soulseek
Blubster
Elf
SuprNova (and other BitTorrent indicies)
Freenet
Earthstation 5
And many others, as well.
C'mon, guys.... as the RIAA shuts down p2p networks and applications, new ones appear every now and then.
Sherman is doing a similar thing, and won't be the exception.
I guess we'll soon see Kazaa Ultra Lite++++.
So take a stand, and boycott it all. Don't even download it. Pick one:
A> buy the album, listen to the music.
B> don't buy the album, don't listen to the music.
Anything other than those two options is screwing someone over. I love how all 'high and mighty' people get when they say 'screw the RIAA' but then download the latest Britney hit.
"But wait!" says Sefirroth6969 (or another similarly clever handle), "I don't listen to that crap, I listen to *insert band name here*! They are just being screwed over by The Man!"
Guess what? They didn't have to sign a contract. They did, and now they have to abide by those rules. If you aren't going to play the game, then stop whining at the players for free handouts.
or... the tracker comes back. or you get the parts from the people you're already downloading from, because the people they're already downloading from have 100%. dead trackers are much more of a pain in the ass for people trying to start downloads, because they can't get hooked into the torrent.
Well, I object to the stupid cd-r tax! I mean, I don't ever burn my downloaded music! Why should I pay the RIAA to burn my warez ! ;)
"When a ball dreams, it dreams it's a frisbee"
Why not move the project to freenet? They can develop and distribute it anonymously there, and with the lastest builds, it has become quite bearable (especially the popular sites - like the one with all the playboy centerfolds)...
Saying downloading music is infinitely cheaper is false; as the original author stated, the amount of time taken to get the file required of sufficient quality can be quite high. It depends how much you value your free time. I work normal office hours like anyone else, and I think my free time (this is bringing back memories of backwards bending J-curves from economics) is normally better spent either checking my favourite online media vendors or just popping into the music shop while I'm in town anyway. YMMV.
Bittorrent is centralized for P2P.
Shareaza 1.9 is out. It supports 4 protocols.
No no no...
New formula:
1) Find old not-so-funny joke
2) Ruin it
3) ???
I use kazaa k++ for perfectly legitimate reasons, such as finding beta patches to games or looking for humerous video clips.
Who's he trying to fool with "humorous video clips" We all know what he's really downloading.
THere's been an article or two about it n /., but mp3 trading can be good for business. Three years ago, when Penny Arcade had a radio station, I heard a song by Matthew Good and went out and downloaded about 20 of his songs. This was over the period of a week or so and in 3-5 song increments.
After that, I went out and over another period of time bought almost every single one of his CDs. Sure, I had a burner but it's not the same quality.
I've since quit file sharing (unless you're my friend and you know how to use scp) and for that matter, I've quit purchasing CDs.
Anecdotal evidence but I'm very aware I'm not the only one that's done this. It's not a "thief's ethic" it's good common sense.
...the original is from the most excellent Meat Puppets II record. Everyone should own that CD. The wonderful "Plateau" is also from the same record and was thankfully brought to a wider audience by Nirvana, but everyone should experience the original. Also get Meat Puppets "Up on the Sun". Beautiful work.
heh, glad to see /. is up to date. this was on metafilter yesterday. and they included a link to a site that still has K++ for download. you can find it here.
this is the fourth article in three days that i've read on mefi before slashdot. if this is a continuing trend, there's no need to be a subscriber. mefi is free.
And how is that different from any other p2p network? The only difference is that with some others you may need to initiate a download to get the list, but if you are working for a company working for the RIAA to monitor p2p (which is a growing industry), I somehow think they won't be charging you with copyright infringement.
(And if you want to do them, maybe you need to move to a different Country? God bless Canada and the blank media tax; I don't mind paying a little bit on every CD-R for a music piracy license!)
Ha ! Think so ?
I don't know about Canada, but here in France we pay a tax on every cdrs, and IIRC on every storage device, HDD whatever (because everyone knows that if you buy a HDD or a CDR, it's to fill it with mp3s...)
It'a quite stupid, but at least you'd think that since you've paid a tax because you copy medias it's now your right to do so...
Not at all ! copying a cd to your friend is still illegal, file sharing is still illegal, and we hear all time on TV that "media producing companies" are complaining because we're nasty pirates who suck their money. Never mind the fact that on any CDR I buy (mostly for archiving raw sounds that I produced), I have to pay 5% (IIRC) more to compensate them.
Still, we never heard them complaining so much...
Just so you know, I wasn't talking out of my ass
It's been that way since 3 AM too.
Etiquette is etiquette. He kills his mother but he can't wear grey trousers.
Always pondered over this. If you were faced with being destroyed, why not removing names and such from the code and leak it out? I'm sure its not very legal.. but how are they going to force you to acknowledge its yours? I mean, they spent how long fighting with SCO just to show code that they themselves are ranting on about, Microsoft fought it off too, why cant you just say you accidently deleted it? :P
I've left to find myself. If you happen to see me, please, keep me there until I return.
I'm not sure why a "simplistic approach" (i.e. OVER simplified) is a good thing. Did you mean "simple"
-- "At Microsoft, quality is job 1.1" -- PC Magazine, Nov. 1994
there is also an alternative to the adware/spyware-free K++. diet kazaa is an add-on for kazaa that strips it of adware and spyware. so who really needs K++ anymore?
I do. We have a similar thing in the US. Every time you buy a blank audio tape, video tape, or DAT tape, Disney and others get a cut of the sale.
Why should the producers of "Martin Luther King Speaks" have to pay Disney for the privilege of producing their own program?
www.shareaza.com connects to multiple networks at one time and is a bitorrent client.
Takes a little longer to get music files, but for larger downloads, it's worked faster than kazaa.
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At the moment, I really like two programs:
Am I really to believe that each and every one of those K-Lite download sites was hosted from a server inside the United States, and thus was vulnerable to DMCA threats? Sounds fairly hard to believe - and even if it's true, how long until someone gets it back online with a server in, say, Finland?
I made a PHP/MySQL library that prevents SQL injection & makes coding easier!
Here's a thought: why not PAY FOR THE FUCKING MOVIE??? Why not get a job and pay the lousy few dollars for the DVD?
Shouldn't there be a plug for this on here somewhere? I mean, it has no adware, it looks beautiful and it is mutch better for hashing files than Kazaa, but is still as no-brainer to use. Right now it is best for porn and warez, but it just needs exposure to get better in the music department, and isn't too bad for anything popular right now. And a better name.
http://www.shareaza.com
Hopefully enough people will switch to it that I could just use the g2 network and not hav to go slumming it in gnutella land!
seems to be linux only... is there anything similar for Windows do you know? i would be interested to try it, because i find Kazaa (Lite) a bad system hog.
This is my Sig, this is my Gun. One is for Slashdot and one is for Fun.
I would just like to add, the only reason I steal music, games, movies is because I don't want to pay for them. There's no way of justifying it, it's theft, and I do it everyday day after day, because it's cheap and easy.
--- "Beginnings are rarely noticed."
Next time you might want to include it, even if it IS in your sig. Why? It has been a long time now, but /. does NOT show .sigs to people that are not logged in. eg. me. I have no idea what they were thinking when they introduced this. But I am expecting too much to think that /. would be logical.
Fast track is still pretty good if your not being real specific, and its better than most for music and some videos. For games and specific videos though, your better off kickin' it old school on IRC. Also, lets see the school try to block IRC.
"Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
When you watch a pirate movie, everyone's a criminal, and technically everyone's a "bad" guy, but still within the logic of the movie there are distinct people you come to think of as "good guys" and "bad guys".
Napster is the crazy, "bad but cool", immoral and greedy but gallant and kind pirate. His death scene is dramatic and gets you all pissed off at whoever it was who took him down. Afterward his crew scatters and his ship is sold off to some random merchant group.
Gnutella is the romantic, moral, and heroic pirate who fails either because of incompetence but because his own lack of cruelty (or, depending on how you look at it, his softness) is in the end exploited as a weakness.
Sharman Networks is the band of pirates which is just plain EVIL. They don't care about anything, they have no positive qualities, and despite the whole pirates-are-cool mentality of the movie, I mean, come on, they're just *evil*. Their leader, Kazaa, is bloodthirsty and cruel, and he killed his gallant and kind first mate Morpheus-- who is played by Orlando Bloom and who most of the audience had fallen in love with at that point-- in cold blood, out of pure envy and greed.
The RIAA, of course, is the stock British Navy captain, because even though he technically represents "good", and technically one supposes his job is to go around and save lives and stuff, you root against him anyway, because he's a slimeball, he's blatantly corrupt, and everyone who works for him was cruelly and forcibly conscripted into a hellish life of prison-like service to the navy during raids on passing ships which are not really (when you think about it) much different from the raids performed by the pirates.
Irritable, left-wing and possibly humorous bumper stickers and t-shirts
I could care less, I stopped downloading from it some time ago. Another /.er recommended iRate, which is quite good.
Incorporate in Vanatu? Idiots...
SCO: 800-726-8649
Verisign: 800-361-8319, 888-642-9675
Diebold: 800-433-VOTE (8683)
Man, where is the open proxy in Brazil? I've been searching for it, like, forever!
It's better to be the foot on the boot than the face on the pavement. ~~ tkx Kadin2048
I could care less what a program wants to "spy" on when it's on a VMware os with a bare bones WinXP Pro install. Shut down VMware, don't save the changes, and I start VMware every time with a fresh, uh... virgin :) os and my P2P app.
www.vmware.com
Here's a tip, make one VMware session that has all the known P2P apps outthere. Let the spyware install! Horray! Bwcause there is nothing to spy on. Inside the dedicated "P2P machine" I keep all the P2P's in the startup and hide all desktop icons and even the taskbar is set to autohide. Start the machine, download stuff, then just ftp to main box. Then shut down vmware without saving. Simple.
Open source equivs to VMware? There are some I think. Know of any?
It seems to me that (for this, as well as for similar projects) it would be convenient to build a "shadow source" development network - something that would resemble the mutant hybrid child of Freenet and Sourceforge. If the system includes anonymous relaying/distributed storage, combined with some means of trust verification (to keep saboteurs out of codebases), it would become essentially impossible for anyone to squelch a development effort (such as "Kazaa Lite" or "Freecraft".)
It was just a matter of time before Sharman decided to deal with KazaaLite. When your entire app is a plug-on to the real program, the main program can shake you off like a dog shakes off fleas. I'm not sure why everyone finds this so shocking as it was as predicable as the sunrise.
Current versions of Kazaalite probably won't be good in the near future.
Sharman will most likely change Kazaa to keep Kazaalite and other leeches (like giFT) off their network. Why go through all this copyright lawsuit effort if they aren't going to follow through? I'm just trying to read the writing on the wall.
Won't all the Kazaalite nodes form their own separate network?
Sorry. KazaaLite defaults the user to not being a supernode. No supernodes = no network.
If the author of KazaaLite had spent more time writing his own p2p app, instead of leeching, hacking and destroying other p2p apps, maybe he wouldn't be left holding his knob in the wind.
Instaed of listening to western crap (Britney & Co.) I get cheap CDs from India, and the music is much better!
Use this: http://jumnious.com/upload.php
I haven't read it yet (site is hosed), but
How can Sharman actually shut down a project that doesn't belong to them?
I can see how Sharman can shut down certain sites that distribute the software -- but isn't is possible for the work on Kazaalite K++ to continue in private, and be distributed through "the grapevine" or via whack-a-mole web-sites?
I've put all my free software (Linux ISO's, Open Office and other free stuff) on Kazaa because it's quicker than setting up a FTP server. And, it's easier for people to search.
It's too bad that more people don't utilize P2P in the same way.
Yes, I download music, too.
I think I think, therefore I think I am.
Today is Sunday. USA Today doesn't come out on Sundays. You must be a plant/narc/in cahoots with SCO!
where the comment ends and sig begins
While a band does get a large chunk of the price of their shirts and other merchandise, a lot of times the shady vendors simply never send them their check.
All my non-technical friends I've set up with KL thruout the years will now self-deactivate, not allowing their operators to [unknowingly] get into legal trouble for DLing this or that.
I am sure there are many like myself who have been into mp3's before it was cool, like back in the pre-napster days when IRC and ftp were how one would get files.
They can shut down all the clients they want, it's not going to change anything. Worst case scenario people will just go back to using IRC DCC for getting music.
I'd like to see the RIAA try to shut down EfNET.
http://www.emule-project.net
But if you really want Kazaa Lite there are still many places to get it from. Just do an advanced search on google groups for "kazaa lite download" from the last few months and you'll find plenty of working links. I doubt this is going to stop the project.
Ever since I started to listen to internet radio I never used a p2p network again, and I havent looked back. Go to www.shoutcast.com. They have all types of music, for free, at decent quality. You can use winamp to play streaming audio for windows, or xmms to play streams on linux. No more dicking around with dcc or kazaa networks. Oh yeah.. unlike normal radio there are no commercials either.
Selling software wont make you money, selling a service will.
If I could get a cd at my music store 40 minutes away for $10 I might consider. Try $22.
Lately I've been just running the Linux CLI version of EDonkey2000. It's actually kind of fun using a terminal instead of a gui.it's at http://www.edonkey2000.com/downloads.php if you're interested.
http://mutella.sourceforge.net/ is another terminal client. It is more aesthetially pleasing than the Edonkey, but there seem to be less people there. I've generally had more success w/ Edonkey, but "your mileage may vary".
As was mentioned elsewhere in this page, gift (http://gift.sourceforge.net/) is another one, and it comes in CLI version as well as the gui. I haven't tried this one yet, but it looks like it uses its own network OpenFT, which could mean less people/files. Not sure if it also connect to other networks as well.
Yesterday as I drove to work I listened to a song on the radio broadcast city wide for anyone to listen to free of charge. When I came home I listened to the same song on my PC in MP3 format that I downloaded free of charge. What's the difference? I didn't pay for either one. And, chances are, I'm not going to invest in many of the radio station's advertised products. And also, since it's free on the radio, and really isn't that great, I don't feel like paying for it. So again, what's the difference?
---- "Excuse me. Where's the children's gun section?"
I understand. Personnally, I buy all my movies (over 40 DVDs and still buying) and make a point never downloading a movie, well, except when it's not available in my country (Ringu 0 and Ringu 2 for example). as for TV shows, Kazaa and Bittorent have enabled me to catch up with TV shows I didn't watch during their first season like Alias, The Sopranos and 24, which I now watch each week on TV, as opposed to downloading them each week, and thanks to them the broadcasters can now make money off me with their ads.
chong got busted for selling bongs explicitely for marijuanna use. he didnt pretend that it was for tobacco use only like most other bong sellers do.
tasty electronic music vittles
But shutting down the hacked Kazaa client doesn't mean that a totally different client can't be written to connect to even the updated FastTrack. Doesn't Shareaza already do this? I don't know... I don't touch that ad-driven crap.
It was a nice idea to remove all the crap from the standard Kazaa client. But now that it's shut down, maybe it's time to rewrite a client from the ground up, or maybe to add FastTrack compatibility to some already-awesome open-source client like DC++ or eMule.
What's Sherman gonna do? Cry that it's reverse-engineering, banned by the DMCA? Ha! What court will listen?
There have been 300 million downloads of "Kazaa Media Desktop" through Download.com.
2.5 million last week. If the bootleg clients have drawn and held anything like those numbers, I would be very much surprised.
I'm 30 mins from Canada's border.
I wonder, for argument's sake, if I could buy the blank CD-R's there and bring them back over to the US.
Technically I paid the music piracy tax. If I was taken to court and I proved that I paid this tax, wouldn't I then be let off?
We have secretly replaced these Slashdot mods' sense of humor with a rusty nail. Let's see if they notice!!
hide you IP number . Very easy for them to bill you.
Use anonymous P2P.
When do you hear wide playing of so-called "B" sides? All you hear are what the companies consider the top 3-4 songs at most to promote the album. If that's all people hear, then that's all people want.
I see a lot of people reccomending the standard alternatives (overnet, bittorrent, etc.), but no-one has mentioned sharescan. While it's not really useful on a home connection, on residence dorms (where I live), sharescan is a gold mine. It's super-fast (all traffic is within your network) and in large universities the selection is almost as good as the largest P2P networks (as long as you don't like stuff that's too esoteric). Try it, you'll be amazed at the amount of content on there.
Reminds me of a comment left by my friend in a different P2P story.
Your hair look like poop, Bob! - Wanker.
Zero paid has been shutdown by Slashdot
Yeah I know it's an old joke.
The Riaa is on to Kazaa. Hell they probably have everyone's ip number from that P2p. Try these alternatives !!
Mod parent up
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diet kazaa is an interesting product.
it modifies the kazaa client at runtime, and therefore is not in dmca-trouble (the authors are rather careful about it).
it suppresses ads, paid search results, and kazaa spyware. it also allows more than the limited number of searches, automatic re-searching for files, and other nifty things.
the only problem with it, is that you need a full kazaa install, and therefore must install the kazaa spyware (which is then removed by dietk).
i would recommend it.
If you've got a Mac, Carracho is excellent.
Once you've got enough files, you can set up your own server & create rules about who uses & what you want.
[Whole albums only, see what I've got first, etc.]
Check every other day to see what the beautiful people on the Intarweb have given you.
I think Hotline can work in the same way...
Of course, it's even easier if you have a roommate to do all this for you. I highly recommend it!
giFT is good for a few reasons: 1. OpenFT is kind of in shambles now, but 90% of the time, if you find a file on OpenFT, you'll be able to download it at 100kB/sec. 2. giFT supports plugins for different networks, like gift-gnutella, gift-fasttrack, and the soon coming gift-opennap and gift-soulseek. 3. One of the lead devs on the gift-fasttrack plugin, Julian Ashton, has just cracked the Fasttrack 0xA9 encryption, so gift-fasttrack can connect to new (Kazaa 2.5) supernodes. It currently takes about 30 seconds to connect to Fasttrack with giFT. 4. It's open source (GPL I believe). 5. No malware of any sort (it's open source, after all). 6. gift-fasttrack supports malicious host blocking with a long list of hosts that aren't friendly for p2p sharing.
I mod down pyramid schemes in sigs.
Not only do you have to start the download first, you have no guarantee that you've got a) everyone, and b) the correct file (exception: edonkey)..
There are many php-based trackers that will gladly give a nice html formatted list of every single peer, including how much they have uploaded and downloaded since the their joining the swarm.
As for getting the correct file, I think that's fairly self explanitory.. networks without file hashes (ie, filename-based) suffer greatly from this problem.
DJ kRYPT's Free MP3s!
.. unless you configure your client to download only from seeds :)
There are always ways around these things, if you were so inclined.
DJ kRYPT's Free MP3s!
I prefer soviet russian music, because it listens to me.
Ron Paul 2012
Yeah, we've got that here too--except that the RIAA has its fingers crossed behind its back when they collect it.
gewg_
It has some interesting features like MD5 & Tiger Tree hash verification and user comment system. It connects to EDonkey as well as Gnutella 1 & 2 and also works as a Bit Torrent client.
I've been using it for about 6 months now and have only once recieved a file that was something other than what it was named (that was my fault for not reading the comments attached to the file by other users). One of the features I really like is that it works with the links provided by ED2KLinks.com and ShareReactor.com.
It is a resource hog, but if you've got a extra box you can run it on, it's worth it. I regularly see my total DL bandwidth rise above 1.5 Mb/s.
Sorry, no linux client though.
Thank you Captain Obvious.
I don't think people have a problem with Kazzaa, it's the corperation$ that have the problem with it -- you know lack of control and all.
I've found that BitTorrent works the best in the dorm that I'm in - it takes longer for the downloads to start when compared to my DSL @ home, but once they do I routinely see 500-600 KB/s. Of course, if you're going to use bittorrent, make sure to check out www.suprnova.org, where you can find things like linux ISO's, and ..... stuff ;)
I have KPP - and I have the setup file. As long as people mirror Kazaa Lite++ then we have nothing to worry about.
Uhh...no? That'd be the equivalent of going to another country when it's time to pay your taxes, pay them at cheaper rates to this other country, and then come back with proof you've payed your taxes to another country expecting to not have to pay taxes for your country of residence...
IANAL, of course...
In the UK a CD costs up to 20 for chart CD's I do buy CD's when I think they are worth it, However, I sample them first and see if they are. 20 is around 30 - 35 USD, are you paying this much as Im thinking of emigrating and letting the immigrants have whats left of England !
Doctors should treat patients because it is helpful and it brings wellness to peoples lives, not for money. Doctors should have real jobs to make money, or make there money entirely from practices. The fact doctors want many for there treatment is a form of prostitution, not of women, but of medical science. I don't charge people when I make them laugh or they have a good time this me. My reward, being more valuable then money, is the knowledge that I elevated this this persons level wellness.
I've found that when I buy CD's a very small portion of the money goes to the artist. Since my primary objective in buying a CD would be to support that artist, it doesn't make sense for me to purchase a CD.
When you add to that the fact that the RIAA is a very political entity; a political entity which has been instrumental in bringing about legislation which I vehemently oppose, it makes it quite clear that I cannot buy CD's from bands represented by an RIAA label.
The RIAA has gotten into politics. They've gotten into my life. This is the result. It's not about how easy it is to get an mp3 for me anymore. It's a matter of principle. And on that principle I will happily sacrifice quality and time to avoid funding and supporting a political entity which I do not agree with.
Most of the bands I listen to support taping of their live shows 100%. The rest of them are either dead or rich beyond belief and really won't feel any pain if I don't buy my copy of Forty Licks.
Unless your civil liberties and freedom mean nothing, you should not buy the factory CDs.
Show the artists that you enjoy what they do by buying some merchandise from them at a show or off their website, and then sending them a letter or email explaining that you are a fan, and that you can't buy their CD for political reasons, but that you bought some of their stuff at a concert or off their site to show your support.
FYI:
? NoticeID=861
If you search for "Kazaa Lite K++" in google, some of the results are omitted along with a message from google...
In response to a complaint we received under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, we have removed 4 result(s) from this page. If you wish, you may read the DMCA complaint for these removed results.
Links to http://www.google.co.uk/dmca.html and http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca512/notice.cgi
An amusing little twist of the OP's words, but you fall into the same trap as all the other intellectual "property" toadies by comparing a good or service not easily reproduced with bits. If physcians' care could be copied like music or movies or slashdot trolls, it wouldn't be worth anything, either.
CEE5210S The signal SIGHUP was received.
Who says Macs don't have good P2P? Poisoned is an excellent giFT front end for OS X. Open source and everything. Supports OpenFT, Fasttrack, Gnutella, with OpenNapster and eDonkey on the way.
My God, as a FreeBSD user I think I'd have a heart attack if all these companies started putting their online music into Windows Media format and DRM to boot. I think I speak for most if not all of the Linux and BSD users out there too. Anyway, think about it -- you're getting a "CD" that is compressed in a lossy format by about 13 times over. That is not worth 10 bucks. If you take quality into account, a $15 CD in that format is worth only $1.15.
If anyone can start mirroring it, or even hacking it to keep it up to date as though the project never quit, this official "shutdown" won't even matter.
"Sufferin' succotash."
So they have shut down the SITE used to distribute new k-lite builds. Now if only the authors could find some new way to distribute programs. Prefferably something decentralised and difficult to stop... hmmm... I know, how about the fasttrack network? ;)
...when we'll see the first network (that I'd know of anyway) that'll use "friends" that'll route the content. Basicly, you send out requests looking for a friend of a friends of a friend that has what you seek, and it'll get routed through them.
Yes, it would slow the network speed to about 1/nth, where n is the average number of people you have to route through. However, n needn't be very large in practice. As has been shown with the socalled "small world" network theory, each person needs few outside links to make n small. And online, that is easier than ever.
Basicly, I'd think it would be most useful if each node kept a small search database (e.g. the share lists of all their direct friends), and if not found, pass the request on. Would make for a bit more transfers, but a (zipped) metadata file is trivially small compared to an mp3 or divx rip. Think it'd be more efficient than searching local node only. It would also give you a good list of files you could browse where transfers should be fast (direct P2P), which is always nice.
The advantages would be great: No central point of attack. No way to "scan" the network. Your identity is only revealed to your friends, who already know you. Because I know many people do not appriciate opening up their files to the entire Internet. However, they'd have no problem sharing with friends and family.
Also, your bandwidth goes to someone "close" to you. (Priority should probably be given to closer friends, both because of less links involved (more efficient) and because they're friends per se).
I think that'd be a welcome addition to the current crop of P2P nets, not to replace the current P2P nets but rather to replace the direct IRC/ICQ/MSN/FTP/whatever transfers. I definately think there's a market here for all those that have been scared off more traditional P2P nets.
Kjella
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
That was disproven long ago. Sophia Stewart has no leg to stand on. The only "evidence" offered was hilarious things like the fact that "Neo" was an anagram for "One"--everybody already knew that--and a photocopy of a printout from IMDB showing that Carrie-Ann Moss once worked on a show coincidentally known as "Matrix," which proves absolutely nothing (and was also something everybody already knew...Carrie used to mention it in interviews laughingly).
"Sufferin' succotash."
Bittorrent no longer works for many colleges either. Y'know, like IRC, Soulseek, etc...
If my college provided me with some sort of opportunity to use an outside network, I would, but because they don't I'm stuck with their hobbled network that blocks internet gaming traffic half the time when the multiplicity of filters get overzealous.
In the longer term, people have generally gone for "singles" anyway (except maybe for things like opera). I'd guess that albums are a fairly recent phenomenon driven by the capacity of physical media (that we don't need anymore).
Xix.
"Everything is adjustable, provided you have the right tools"
I've used DietK before I used Kazaa Lite, and it is very awesome. It achieves the same effect as Kazaa Lite, but instead goes on top of regular Kazaa. Give it a spin!
I do however, still recommend GiFT and Apollon for P2P, it's simply the best.
"I think Sharman will be in for a surprise once the find out that 75% of its 'users' were on the bootleged client."
They are aware of the high adoption rate of unauthorized versions of their client, which is exactly why they did this. Sharman is a for-profit business and relies on advertising revenues to survive. They're not getting ad revenue from the ad-free clients. Without ad revenue, they are history.
"It's pretty obvious, those users aren't coming back either."
It's a numbers game. They don't need them all back, but any percentage which do go back to the authorized client means more ad money in their pocket. Even if that's 1% or 5%.
Sharman has everything to gain and very little to lose by fighting the use of ad-free clients.
Sitting in my day care, the art is decopainted.
Don't forget MLdonkey, a single client which supports eDonkey, OverNet, OpenFT, SoulSeek, BitTorrent, and a couple of others I can't remember.
Karma: It's all a bunch of tree-huggin' hippy crap!
If you are privilaged enough to use a mac you can download Poisoned and search the FastTrack(Kazaa), giftd, OpenFT and Gnutella network all at the same time! No adware here either!
Maybe your IT people are getting wise and using traffic shaping?
If you want unrestricted internet content, move to an apartment and buy DSL. Stop being a leech.
Way to go Sharman! You have now hurt your branding appeal.
Well, at least I can still use it :D It doesn't really shut it down does it? People can just add the installation to their sites for others to download, can't they?
Kamran A
Check here. Even if you have paid the tax for it, you can still be liable for the damages when you get caught.
This is the main reason why I go to the states to buy my media (5 American cents for one CD!). If I pay for the license and still not be off the hook, I'm not paying for it again.
Besides, the first time I checked the site, they reported that the music and other industries haven't received a cent from this levy. I just checked it and they've sent only 6.8 million of 28 collected.
Beyond that, why does the grandparent poster think paying that tax somehow relieves him from being named in an RIAA lawsuit for music piracy?
Check out Apollon (apollon.sf.net) for a nice linux front end for gift. I like it much better than the kazaalite client and it can use the gift plugins to connect to the kazaa network as well as others.
Download Kazaa Lite 2.4.3 from:
Kazaa Lite 2.4.3
I remeber that the Kazaa lite site had some other software too.
One thing I liked was avi preview, and another was the K-lite codec pack.
Anybody know if this software is available elsewhere?
I remember when I used to dabble in warez for the Mac, lots of sites would host patches so that people could take the version that they have and make it work like the warez version.
Would that be legal in this case?
If the K++ people didn't actually host the copyrighted material of the other company, could they be open to criminal or civil prosecution?
LK
"Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
Since you're bridging the same network adapter or sitting behind the same router (physical or virtual), they've still got your IP Address and MAC address.
Straight from fark.
Well, in Canada, the wording of our CD-R tax is that it is for the compensation of the authors for the copying of there music while removing the distribution medium, or something to that effect after translated from leagalees. Which according to some lawyers means that it's completely legal to download music in canada, as long as you burn it to a CD that you paid the tax on; IE the $15 is the cost of the distribution, and the $.30 is the ammount of compensation when that is removed
-Millions of Monkeys, Millions of typewriters, 6 hours of sorting through faeces encrusted pages to find: This post
well, it happened to you once, so it must happen the way you describe every time.
Personally i've been using earth station 5 available at www.es5.com. While it doesn't yield as many results as the k++ engine does it is much harder for it to be blocked and it encrypts the transmission of files to make it harder for idiots like the local cable company to complain about dmca violations that with some other ways preventing monitoring (or at least slowing it down) is a nice little alternative if you're being bugged by your local ISP.
what the hell are you talking about go to www.klitesite.com that is the main site, just because the otehr domains are down means little. YOU CANNOT STOP A PEOPLE WHO WANT TO SHARE INTERESTING TXT FILES ON SUBJECTS LIKE DAILY LIFE ACTIVITIES!@!!!
Just to let ya know, "there" is used in this sense:
"Over there is a 2 dollar bill"
The word you are looking for is "their"
"Doctors should be paid for their treatment."
-twb
Just to inform those who may not know, eDonkey is probably the most flagrant abuser of network resources to ever exist. It frequently uses upwards of 250 concurrent connections and while you may have a lot of pipe left your web browsing will slow to a meander.
So? I'm failing to see why this should be an issue. Unless you don't ever access the internet expect through a trusted third party proxy. I mean, your IP address is supposed to be relatively public to begin with, isn't it?
-BrentI don't think this model will work for the music industry however!
...I've graduated now, but the internal hubs (IP restricted) of our Uni were the best. At least 10Mbit in the wall, up to 10Gbit interconnects. And the best part? As far as I know, the networks admins wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole unless they were forced to. They knew, that if they shut down the internal net, everybody and their mother would go on outside nets, clogging the Internet connection.
1,5Tb of data to the internal network, well that's 1,5Tb of traffic that didn't happen on the Internet connection. Ok sure both are probably "misuse of network resources" but it's still the lesser evil. And I think most realistic sysadmins understand that.
Kjella
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The current software is still available at www.ouSharing.com. I am not speaking as an authority of K-Lite K++, but DOWNLOAD AND CLOG UP THAT NETWORK. www.ouSharing.com Web Site
Ironically they've probably done more to kill off P2P for the informed user than the RIAA have ever managed.
When I am king, you will be first against the wall.
Wow, some people are ignorant. Doctors have to spend the first 12 years of their life, particularly the senior high ones working their fingers to the bone to achieve high enough results to get into the tertiary institute of their choice. They then have to spend the next 3 years working their fingers to the bone of theory, the next 4 in practice and field training, the next year in finalisation and then blame!, they are doctors. (not including any refresher courses and various types of experience they need to gain) That's roughly the first 20 years of their life studying and working so they are qualified.
They then have to, everyday, operate/practise on/diagnose people for another 50 or so years, and that's includes prescriptions and treatment. And you are saying they should be paid a "nominal fee". And then get "real" jobs on the side to supplement their income, meaning more years of study and toil.
Your complete ignorance and amazing attitude of they should help people for almost nothing defies imagination. You are saying that the relative few who have the intelligence, motivation and resources to help others, spend a good quater of their life studying, the next 60 making decisions daily that decide wether a person lives or dies, and constantly cop flak from pathetic ingrates like you is frivolous and they should get no reward?! Maybe they should all become engineers and make millions, while at the same time let everyone else die, suffer and live a miserable existence?
Quite frankly, you and everyone else who shares your opinion should go to Africa and see what it is like where there are no doctors. Or you should be shot. Either way, wake up and smell the proverbial rose's morons.
Either way, wake up and smell the proverbial rose's morons
So the rose has morons? Or did you mean to say "smell the proverbial roses, morons"?
I dont understand why things should go into public domain after xyz years, can someone explain this to me?
If a person creates something, with their mind, their hands, their ideas. And people still want to used their creation 20, 30, 100 years later why should they suddenly be out of the loop simply because it was created xyz years ago?
If people still want their creation they should pay for it, not get it for free because it is old.
And 5 year copyright? That is an amazingly stupid idea.
Lets say I create and copyright a cartoon character, or better yet I create an entire cartoon and copyright it.
I work on it, pitching it to people, changing it, until 6 years later I finally get the Cartoon Network to put it on...
Hold on, now my cartoons on TV by I have lost the copyright to it, and anyone can just create something exactly the same and I dont have any rights to stop them, or claim compensation. I spent 6 years to perfect this cartoon, the ideas, the story, the characters, and now someone can use it all just because it is 6 years old.
Oh well, on to the next cartoon, this time I just have to make sure I get it on TV in a year or two after coming up with the idea so that I can make some money from it.
Fittingly, he does not believe teachers should be paid for there (sic) work either.
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Check out this site if you want to see where the future of recorded music distribution is headed. You can listen to whole albums in MP3 for free. If you decide to buy one, you can download the WAV files (losslessly compressed with FLAC) and burn your own CD. You choose what to pay for the download ($5-$18 USD), and the artist gets exactly 50%. They are even starting to offer high-resolution digital (so you could burn a DVD-A disc at home). This is the kind of artist-centric system that will eventually sink the Warners, Universals, and Sonys of the world (are there only three now??).
from Magnatune.com:
"We're a record label. But we're not evil.
We call it "try before you buy." It's the shareware model applied to music.
Listen to hundreds of MP3'd albums from our artists. Or try our genre-based radio stations.
If you like what you hear, buy our music online for as little as $5 an album or license our music for commercial use.
Artists get a full 50% of the purchase price. And unlike most record labels, our artists keep the rights to their music.
Founded by musicians, for musicians.
No major label connections.
We are not evil."
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this is why sometimes I still miss theold BBS's. You didn't have to worry about being spyed on because the only person watching was the SYSOP, and they didn't care as long as you didn't try to Hack/Crack it. Dail in, DL what you want, UL something good, logoff. Yea you couldn't get 1.5MB/s DL's but then again, the fiels weren't that big then either. A 56k modem still works great, if you can find any still up. a couple of years ago there were still a few around and they were great. GOD I miss BBS's
Life is pain. Anyone who says differently is selling something.
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Go there. Kazaa-Lite still works. And don't panic ever. If anything, p2p file sharing is just going to get worst for the RIAA and easier for us.
Some local artists are releasing their CD's which are really CD-R's.
But the price is the same regular expensive one.
I wonder how right it is to label it a CD when it's a CD-R?
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I also support Shareaza. It's free, doesn't seem to have any advertising or spyware, and it's a pretty smart application.
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well why not just call it what it is; a tax subsidy.
:D
given some of the new trade rules coming down from the ivory tower of the WTO regarding subsidies, there is a chance that this may be illegal.
For those of you that want it: ftp://tunnie.kicks-ass.net/kazaalite.exe
I own a lot of vinyl. Probably around 500 lp records. I'd like to have them in digital format for ease of use. When I'm on a road trip I like to play CDs full of mp3s, so I don't have to change disks. So far I'm too lazy to hook up my turntable (and a pretty good one at that) to my computer. I probably will someday but I digress.
One of the reasons I want to do p2p stuff is to download songs that I already legally own in another format. 128kbps is OK for me. I've found some stuff, but not as much as I was expecting. (I'd like to download a lot of stuff from the old Wax Trax! catalog.)
I was also hoping to find more rare music that is impossible to buy for love or money. Unfortunately I've found that it is much easier to download top 40 crap than rare stuff.
I need to try other networks besides the Fast Track network. Anyone have advice on which networks are better for unpopular music?
(Is there a problem with your caps lock key? I noticed that the last 10 of your subject lines are in all caps.)
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I installed Overnet and it appears to have installed a lot of Spyware and Adware type crap, despite explicitly claiming not to. What's up with that?
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p.s. use poisoned
-ashton
Kazaa Lite K++ is still available in two ways!
1) It's still on the web!(if you know where to look) --Hint: Open Kazaa Lite K++, Go to the Web Screen, Join the K-Lite IRC chat, ask around in there; you need mIRC (www.mirc.com)--
2) Search the Fast Track Network using the client that you already have (for instance an older version of Kazaa Lite K++)
Just as if all doctors stopped working the world be a much worse place, if all musicians stopped working the world would become less desirable (at least quite boring). If all firefighters stopped working, the world become less desirable. Who decides that doctors make more money than firefighters? Is it training? (No, since musicians require at least as much training) Is it the fact that they save lives? (No, because firefighters also save lives) A lot to ponder....
Notice I didn't comment on any of your rude banter. You seem to be smart enough to figure out what I am not going to say.
Music is a fun hobby. Doctoring is work. Doctors save lives, they make the world a better place. Popular musicians promote killing, stealing, rape. Most could care less about you and your happiness. Why should they make more then Teachers, firement, police, soldier, scientist and yes doctors and many other, who contribute to the betterment of sociaty.
This app sucks, I installed the latest 2.60 kazaa along with 2.60 dietK, it all used way too much ram, and after starting it a few times kazaa shutdown after saying "Kazaa has detected that the advertising programs cannot run" or some gibberish. Next time you shamelessly post a URL, do your research. We all need to just wait for a new K++ based off the 2.60 build.
The only people who ruin jokes are the ones who think them ruined.
Take it easy.