I LOVE FreeBSD. Love it very much. But even I'm going to pretty much ignore anything that comes out of mi2g. Aren't these the same guys that said hackers crashed the space shuttle? And they had proof? Aren't these the same guys that said we were all doomed on some specific date a few years ago because hackers were going to take out the whole world or something and it didn't happen? Mi2g (kinda feels wrong using a capital letter) are right up there with the *BWAHAAHAAHAA* Enderle Group (group of one person). They publish controversial gibberish once in a while to keep their name out there and contribute absolutely zero to the community. Idiots at magazines eat the crap up, and Zealots do a polka dance with the flawed data. You can safely ignore any information to come from them.
Debian makes a great server. It's perfect for the situation where you can't use FreeBSD and you aren't getting hounded for Red Hat. I've never used it as a desktop because it's not well suited for it. Much like FreeBSD doesn't make a great desktop OS. Gentoo, on the other hand, makes an excellent desktop OS. I'd don't run Gentoo on servers anymore though. I've never understood the "holy war world domination" aspect of any of this. To corporate America it comes across as so much childish prattle. We actually had an employee trying to sell us on Debian for something completely unsuited and one of his bullits was a "saving the world from microsoft!!!!" rant and the really sad thing was he didn't even understand why including that "point" was a bad idea. When I tried to explain that our proprietary storage solution would not support Debian for their active/passive dual path fiber channel driver, he flipped out. Suggested we "sell the piece of shit" because it wouldn't work with Debian. Sure. We are going to part with our half million dollar fiber channel array because the company won't support Debian. Now I have higher-ups asking me what we should do with this guy and saying "I think he has a real passion for his work" isn't cutting it. They hear "he's a nut". Zealotry is fine but keep it at home. Oh, and there is no excuse for waiting over 13 months for an "unstable" version of XFree. You apologists can apologize away all you want, but that is ridiculous. I'm sorry. It's also hard to sell people on the idea that a free Linux with a 2.2 stable kernel is better than a 600 dollar "Enterprise Server" Linux with a 2.4.21-9 kernel. There is a lot of Red Hat 3.0 ES here. And even though I freaking HATE Red Hat because of how shitty rpm is, I have to admit that we have had zero problems with up2date and patches, and they seem to be very up to date with them. It has actually been a joy lately admining the 20 or so boxes. It's STILL not nearly as easy as babysitting a well configured FreeBSD farm, but it's getting pretty close.
This is why it is not that surprising that he would have a laptop with car paint that goes vrooom vrooom. He's a flipping idiot. He proves it more each article. He IS the PHB type. Another buzzword know-it-all with no actual technical cred to speak of. He's Microsoft's sock puppet. He'd make an excellent technology commontator for Fox News.
Actually, it is true. Katherine Harris was tasked with disenfranchising a few thousand names off the list of voters because they were felons. Just to be safe, she removed everyone that had those names. Then she removed everyone that shared the surnames. Suddenly a few thousand became almost 100,000. Her punishment for breaking the law? A senate seat. Get your facts straight.
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It's not the first time Valve has openly lied to customers. I can count on two hands the number of times they've said bugs in their code are hardware or driver problems, then silently fixed the problem months later with a patch. Valve is the telephone company of software publishers.
The only caveats being that in order to get PAT working on the 865PE chipset you need to:
A: be running a 1:1 memory divider B: Have "Turbo" or "Ultra-Turbo" on in your bios.
I'm happily running 1100fsb with a 2.4c OC'd and a gig of AData Vitesta ram on a MSI Neo2-LS right now. PAT enabled. If you plan to run 1:1 divider, and you plan on getting very fast ram, the 865PE is a foregone conclusion. The Asus P4P800 is a great board for running 1:1 divider. Court is still out on the Abit boards. There seems to be some sort of bug that limits them to 255 bus speed. With 2.85v and the Vitesta, I had no problems enabling 2.5-4-4-5-8 memory settings with turbo at 275 bus speed with air cooling (Thermalright SK-94 with a vantec stealth 92mm). I can't recommend the MSI boards or AData ram highly enough. I can miss a kernel compile if I blink. The AData ram is hard to find. Make damn sure it's the official "Vitesta" brand with red heat spreaders. It's better than anything OCZ, Corsair, Kingston, or anyone else has to offer.
NOBODY ever got fired for buying IBM. On the other hand, we just fired a whole bunch of guys that bought into the iplanet/microsoft solution for email and replaced them with TWO admins and two IBM Linux servers....
Having a work schedule in addition to a full-time class schedule is not always a good idea.
It's not a good idea if it really bothers you giving up a little drinking, fucking, getting stoned, and watching tv time to push a mop around or ask if someone wants fries with that. I guess it really depends how much your education matters to you. If you can't stomach the idea of giving up a social life for the prospect of a great education and a future, perhaps you should just quit college and file for unemployment now and save some time.
Life "as we know it" zone. Someone is going to totally flip the first time they step on a talking rock while mining some nanotube ingredients on some distant heavenly object in the "no life" zone.
I will EASILY throw out an entire genre of music if I hate 99.9 percent of the songs that I've heard in that genre. Sure, there may be a few songs from that genre/style that didn't suck, but they usually find their way to me through friends. Why the hell would I sit through nine thousand crappy sounds to get to the 50 I might like? That would be work. I can remember trying to explain this to a friends once and coming up with this analogy:
"If I never liked Less Than Jake, why the hell would I like 5000 bands that sound exactly like Less Than Jake?"
It's exactly how I feel about this current wave of what I call "Korn Biscuit". Roaring. I can't stand the roaring into the microphone. And the same damn themes and fake angst all over again. Are there standout exceptions? You betcha. And they find their way to me through friends. Whatever by Godsmack comes to mind. But I can't stand most of that style of music. We all can't be these perfect open-minded human beings that give every single song a fair shot. Most of us simply turn the channel within the first 3 seconds of hearing something that we are probably going to hate. For me that's roaring or twang. There is so much music out there to choose from, why should I care what someone else listens too.
It depends on your level of dedication. For example, I know full well your issue with the high temps was because of a bad bios because I had the same problem. I'm up there in age but actually enjoy building my own systems in hand. I get a sick thrill out of doing research and finding deals and putting together exactly what I want. Recently that included:
Antec Sonata quiet case (incredible deal btw) Extra 120mm case fan wd 2000jb drive black NEC 17 inch monitor ti4600 (ebay, 60 bucks) Optorite DVD -rw +rw -r +r etc Lite-On DVD 16x 1 gig AData ram (absolute best ram made but good luck finding it) P4 2.4C MSI Neo2-LS Thermalright SK-94 Heatsink Vantec Stealth 92mm fan (for heatsink) Cheap logitech z-340 speakers Cheap 11 dollar logitech internet keyboard mx500 mouse (with internal steel weight removed) Rocketport 133sb card (for harddrive) Sony 1.44 fd Braided copper cables all around
EVERYTHING in black.
I snuck in at just over 1000 for the system.
I'm running Gentoo at 540 FSB with the memory in sync at 3-4-4-8 timings with the processor humming along at 3.24Ghz. The system is dead quiet. No problems with overheating. It passed 12 straight hours of memtest86 from the leka single linux distribution with no problems. I'm ready for the Linux version of Doom3. I ALMOST went with an FX5700 Ultra, but didn't see the point because no Linux games require DX9. The ti4600 should be just as fast under Linux. This entire system was the culmination of 5 months of careful research and reading. For slightly more than a grand (around 1100 with shipping factored in) I have a system that will destroy most systems costing double. It's a purpose built Linux system. If you go this route, make sure the first thing you do is flash the bios on the Neo2. I can't praise AData ram enough. Komusa has it, but calls it something else. Run every IDE device alone as master on it's own channel. Invest in high quality shielded drive cables.
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Or he may be brown. Oh, and a man.
I'm assuming this giant had the largest burrito EVAR for brefus?
I suppose it would take less than 13 months to emerge a 4.3 version of XFree even on the slowest computer running Gentoo.
I LOVE FreeBSD. Love it very much. But even I'm going to pretty much ignore anything that comes out of mi2g. Aren't these the same guys that said hackers crashed the space shuttle? And they had proof? Aren't these the same guys that said we were all doomed on some specific date a few years ago because hackers were going to take out the whole world or something and it didn't happen? Mi2g (kinda feels wrong using a capital letter) are right up there with the *BWAHAAHAAHAA* Enderle Group (group of one person). They publish controversial gibberish once in a while to keep their name out there and contribute absolutely zero to the community. Idiots at magazines eat the crap up, and Zealots do a polka dance with the flawed data. You can safely ignore any information to come from them.
Debian makes a great server. It's perfect for the situation where you can't use FreeBSD and you aren't getting hounded for Red Hat. I've never used it as a desktop because it's not well suited for it. Much like FreeBSD doesn't make a great desktop OS. Gentoo, on the other hand, makes an excellent desktop OS. I'd don't run Gentoo on servers anymore though. I've never understood the "holy war world domination" aspect of any of this. To corporate America it comes across as so much childish prattle. We actually had an employee trying to sell us on Debian for something completely unsuited and one of his bullits was a "saving the world from microsoft!!!!" rant and the really sad thing was he didn't even understand why including that "point" was a bad idea. When I tried to explain that our proprietary storage solution would not support Debian for their active/passive dual path fiber channel driver, he flipped out. Suggested we "sell the piece of shit" because it wouldn't work with Debian. Sure. We are going to part with our half million dollar fiber channel array because the company won't support Debian. Now I have higher-ups asking me what we should do with this guy and saying "I think he has a real passion for his work" isn't cutting it. They hear "he's a nut". Zealotry is fine but keep it at home. Oh, and there is no excuse for waiting over 13 months for an "unstable" version of XFree. You apologists can apologize away all you want, but that is ridiculous. I'm sorry. It's also hard to sell people on the idea that a free Linux with a 2.2 stable kernel is better than a 600 dollar "Enterprise Server" Linux with a 2.4.21-9 kernel. There is a lot of Red Hat 3.0 ES here. And even though I freaking HATE Red Hat because of how shitty rpm is, I have to admit that we have had zero problems with up2date and patches, and they seem to be very up to date with them. It has actually been a joy lately admining the 20 or so boxes. It's STILL not nearly as easy as babysitting a well configured FreeBSD farm, but it's getting pretty close.
This is why it is not that surprising that he would have a laptop with car paint that goes vrooom vrooom. He's a flipping idiot. He proves it more each article. He IS the PHB type. Another buzzword know-it-all with no actual technical cred to speak of. He's Microsoft's sock puppet. He'd make an excellent technology commontator for Fox News.
You were saying?
Where did your invented information come from?"
How about her own words?
"Last year, the Florida legislature passed virtually all of my bills as part of its landmark Election Reform Act."
Maybe things happened different in your alternate reality.
Damn I'm going to be a great President.
Actually, it is true. Katherine Harris was tasked with disenfranchising a few thousand names off the list of voters because they were felons. Just to be safe, she removed everyone that had those names. Then she removed everyone that shared the surnames. Suddenly a few thousand became almost 100,000. Her punishment for breaking the law? A senate seat. Get your facts straight.
That's brilliant. :)
It's not the first time Valve has openly lied to customers. I can count on two hands the number of times they've said bugs in their code are hardware or driver problems, then silently fixed the problem months later with a patch. Valve is the telephone company of software publishers.
This is why gun laws are pretty stupid.
Wow, someone explain what RTFM means to this guy please.
Maybe there's something wrong with me
Yup.
The only caveats being that in order to get PAT working on the 865PE chipset you need to:
A: be running a 1:1 memory divider
B: Have "Turbo" or "Ultra-Turbo" on in your bios.
I'm happily running 1100fsb with a 2.4c OC'd and a gig of AData Vitesta ram on a MSI Neo2-LS right now. PAT enabled. If you plan to run 1:1 divider, and you plan on getting very fast ram, the 865PE is a foregone conclusion. The Asus P4P800 is a great board for running 1:1 divider. Court is still out on the Abit boards. There seems to be some sort of bug that limits them to 255 bus speed. With 2.85v and the Vitesta, I had no problems enabling 2.5-4-4-5-8 memory settings with turbo at 275 bus speed with air cooling (Thermalright SK-94 with a vantec stealth 92mm). I can't recommend the MSI boards or AData ram highly enough. I can miss a kernel compile if I blink. The AData ram is hard to find. Make damn sure it's the official "Vitesta" brand with red heat spreaders. It's better than anything OCZ, Corsair, Kingston, or anyone else has to offer.
NOBODY ever got fired for buying IBM. On the other hand, we just fired a whole bunch of guys that bought into the iplanet/microsoft solution for email and replaced them with TWO admins and two IBM Linux servers....
What's karma?
Too easy.
Very very true....
But the work ethic you get you carry with you. They love that.
Having a work schedule in addition to a full-time class schedule is not always a good idea.
It's not a good idea if it really bothers you giving up a little drinking, fucking, getting stoned, and watching tv time to push a mop around or ask if someone wants fries with that. I guess it really depends how much your education matters to you. If you can't stomach the idea of giving up a social life for the prospect of a great education and a future, perhaps you should just quit college and file for unemployment now and save some time.
Life "as we know it" zone. Someone is going to totally flip the first time they step on a talking rock while mining some nanotube ingredients on some distant heavenly object in the "no life" zone.
I will EASILY throw out an entire genre of music if I hate 99.9 percent of the songs that I've heard in that genre. Sure, there may be a few songs from that genre/style that didn't suck, but they usually find their way to me through friends. Why the hell would I sit through nine thousand crappy sounds to get to the 50 I might like? That would be work. I can remember trying to explain this to a friends once and coming up with this analogy:
"If I never liked Less Than Jake, why the hell would I like 5000 bands that sound exactly like Less Than Jake?"
It's exactly how I feel about this current wave of what I call "Korn Biscuit". Roaring. I can't stand the roaring into the microphone. And the same damn themes and fake angst all over again. Are there standout exceptions? You betcha. And they find their way to me through friends. Whatever by Godsmack comes to mind. But I can't stand most of that style of music. We all can't be these perfect open-minded human beings that give every single song a fair shot. Most of us simply turn the channel within the first 3 seconds of hearing something that we are probably going to hate. For me that's roaring or twang. There is so much music out there to choose from, why should I care what someone else listens too.
But there was no problem installing netbsd on all three of them.
It depends on your level of dedication. For example, I know full well your issue with the high temps was because of a bad bios because I had the same problem. I'm up there in age but actually enjoy building my own systems in hand. I get a sick thrill out of doing research and finding deals and putting together exactly what I want. Recently that included:
Antec Sonata quiet case (incredible deal btw)
Extra 120mm case fan
wd 2000jb drive
black NEC 17 inch monitor
ti4600 (ebay, 60 bucks)
Optorite DVD -rw +rw -r +r etc
Lite-On DVD 16x
1 gig AData ram (absolute best ram made but good luck finding it)
P4 2.4C
MSI Neo2-LS
Thermalright SK-94 Heatsink
Vantec Stealth 92mm fan (for heatsink)
Cheap logitech z-340 speakers
Cheap 11 dollar logitech internet keyboard
mx500 mouse (with internal steel weight removed)
Rocketport 133sb card (for harddrive)
Sony 1.44 fd
Braided copper cables all around
EVERYTHING in black.
I snuck in at just over 1000 for the system.
I'm running Gentoo at 540 FSB with the memory in sync at 3-4-4-8 timings with the processor humming along at 3.24Ghz. The system is dead quiet. No problems with overheating. It passed 12 straight hours of memtest86 from the leka single linux distribution with no problems. I'm ready for the Linux version of Doom3. I ALMOST went with an FX5700 Ultra, but didn't see the point because no Linux games require DX9. The ti4600 should be just as fast under Linux. This entire system was the culmination of 5 months of careful research and reading. For slightly more than a grand (around 1100 with shipping factored in) I have a system that will destroy most systems costing double. It's a purpose built Linux system. If you go this route, make sure the first thing you do is flash the bios on the Neo2. I can't praise AData ram enough. Komusa has it, but calls it something else. Run every IDE device alone as master on it's own channel. Invest in high quality shielded drive cables.
of some sort of generic payment system coupled with a slashdot mention has seemed to work fairly well in the past.