The discrimination itself would have to be carried out by a religious boss, who would fire you for acting contrary to his/her religious beliefs. That sounds like religious discrimination (i.e., discrimination because of religious reasons) to me.
I suspect you couldn't fire someone because you believe them to be the "spawn of Satan" or "Xenu's servant" either, regardless of what the employee thinks in the matter.
Well said. That feeling of confusion, turned to curiosity, and finally turned to anger and violation is exactly how I felt when a guest speaker entered my physics classroom in high-school and began speaking about the "flaws" of evolution. (It was a community out-reach day, so a variety of people from around the city had a chance to talk about something, even though they were prohibited from talking about politics and religion.)
How was a high-school student supposed to argue about the magnetic sphere, rates of erosion, and information theory? I raised my hand and tried to tell him that the so-called "missing links" weren't in fact missing, but I just didn't have the tools. These were quibbling bits of creationist talking points, but I was never introduced to those arguments (I later found these "problems of evolution" to be long-since discredited on sites like talkorigins and wikipedia). Plus he was an ex-engineer and a current priest, so I just didn't have a rhetorical chance in hell.
I still remember the reaction of someone sitting next to me: a none-too-particularly-bright fellow, at least in physics class, suddenly had a burst of clarity: "He's right. Evolution is full of shit."
I was in shock! I studied COS the entire week-end and felt violated in my intellectual integrity. Looking back at it, this was clearly some attempt to enrol me into COS. The test is a sham, not recognize by any real professional in any science.
I know exactly how you felt. I just hope I have enough knowledge and experience in the future not to get cornered like I did before (and like you did).
Ever since I started killing boars for their intestines, I dreamed of the day where I could taste just a slice of WoW. I just hope this restaurant follows canonical recipes.
My college actually used Alice in its introductory programming course for the first week or two before jumping into the "real" stuff.
I can't really judge its effectiveness personally, because I knew a good deal going in, but I grant that it was a fun, hands-on way of diving into certain programming concepts (procedural execution, object-oriented design), while avoiding the distracting concepts (compile problems, convoluted syntax, command prompts).
Seems like it'd be great for younger people. Plus it's got that creative element that encourages people to explore the parameters and limits of the software to get exactly what they want.
Not necessarily. An infant has no "choice" in the matter of what toys they pick up. Toys are given to them by--you guessed it--the parents.
Most parents, firm believers (consciously or not) in gender roles, go ahead and ascribe gender roles to their children based on the kid's biology (If Jimmy has a penis, he gets the toy soldiers).
Later in life, if Jimmy wants a toy tank instead of a chemistry kit, we wouldn't say, "well, since he's a boy, he prefers more aggressive toys." I think it'd make more sense to say, "he's been raised in a culture that appreciates military-based toys."
So why should the toy soldier and doll-house be any different of an example?
Seriously, people, move on - in case you didn't notice, a Black man was elected President and has chosen a woman for his Secretary of State. The debate is over, racism is out. Sure, you can find racists if you look, but the majority of America is not racist
Apparently you don't live anywhere near where I live...
I have no indication of it.. but I wonder if this game is, like America's Army, propaganda in order to convince people that "National Slavery" is a good thing and they they should love working for their masters in government.
National slavery? Really? They aren't asking you to build landmarks, dig trenches, or bite bullets. They're just asking that the general public become more informed about "basic civil defense training."
This is more like compulsory public education than national slavery. No need to hyperbolize.
That said, this kind of education should take place in high schools rather than at recruiting offices. It sounds like this might be an interesting idea for a "summer camp," especially if they offered certifications and extra credit for students. Community service credit, that sort of thing.
The internet is not and should never be a replacement for exercising an imagination. I can't help but shake the feeling that somebody needed to justify a shiny new computer lab and this is what they came up with.
I agree with you, but an immersive virtual world (ignoring the fact, for a moment, of whether or not this "game" is capable of that) can go a long way in setting up the scene. There's a reason why members of the Debate Team or Marching Band dress up for an actual performance--it brings an air of legitimacy and asks everyone involved to take it seriously.
That said, for the truly dedicated, I don't know if this helps all that much.
I compare my experiences of playing pen & paper role-playing games versus playing in a virtual world, ala World of Warcraft. The P&P games always felt more real and vivid than anything rendered on a screen, probably because the imagination had to be exercised rather than simply pampered by graphics and sound effects.
Overall, I'd say I agree with you: this might be pretty lame if you tried to teach the truly motivated. It's probably more limiting than real-life interactions.
But for everyone else, something like this might be interesting for popularizing the image, recruiting new people, and demonstrating simple role-playing exercises.
If the bible is exempt from criticism that can be levied upon textbooks, then why does it get used as a textbook in so many schools?
Of course the Bible is a textbook!
1. It had countless contributors (some authors even took credit for other authors' work without crediting them!). 2. It went through multiple editions (some parts had to be cut or reimagined through the ages). 3. Like the college textbook business, it has a stranglehold on a captive market. Don't like it? Tough. You pick up that Koran and you're a TERRORIST!
About the criticism thing, I always figured that was covered somewhere in the EULA. "By picking up this book, you agree to forfeit all independent reasoning skills, blah blah." Fortunately nobody ever takes those things seriously.
My favorite easter eggs are usually found in the comments for source code. You get to see features that were left out, acknowledgments of unfixed bugs, and rude messages about other programmers in the project.
One of Microsoft's head programmers tried a little stunt like the one you're suggesting. It cost him his career... his dignity... and if the suicide note was of any indication, even his life.
His name was Andrew B. Clippy, and his "personal touch" tore him asunder.
The beginning of the slavery abolition movement was started in the late 1700s, but it took another century for most governments to officially abolish it. The UK beat the US by at least 20 years.
Fun fact: Britain abolished slavery in 1807, but the slave trade and ownership of slaves throughout its colonies didn't end until 1833.
It was just too profitable of an enterprise to give up all at once, hence my word "grudgingly" rather than "charitably."
You raise an important point: species designation is an artificial category assignment. There is no clear break from one species to another, because if we had an impossibly complete fossil record, we would see slow and gradual evolution.
The history of primates in particular is pretty scarce. We have created entire species out of only a few misshapen teeth. If only we had complete skeletal hands, so we could measure their ability to throw chairs...
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It would not be religious discrimination.
The discrimination itself would have to be carried out by a religious boss, who would fire you for acting contrary to his/her religious beliefs. That sounds like religious discrimination (i.e., discrimination because of religious reasons) to me.
I suspect you couldn't fire someone because you believe them to be the "spawn of Satan" or "Xenu's servant" either, regardless of what the employee thinks in the matter.
Well said. That feeling of confusion, turned to curiosity, and finally turned to anger and violation is exactly how I felt when a guest speaker entered my physics classroom in high-school and began speaking about the "flaws" of evolution. (It was a community out-reach day, so a variety of people from around the city had a chance to talk about something, even though they were prohibited from talking about politics and religion.)
How was a high-school student supposed to argue about the magnetic sphere, rates of erosion, and information theory? I raised my hand and tried to tell him that the so-called "missing links" weren't in fact missing, but I just didn't have the tools. These were quibbling bits of creationist talking points, but I was never introduced to those arguments (I later found these "problems of evolution" to be long-since discredited on sites like talkorigins and wikipedia). Plus he was an ex-engineer and a current priest, so I just didn't have a rhetorical chance in hell.
I still remember the reaction of someone sitting next to me: a none-too-particularly-bright fellow, at least in physics class, suddenly had a burst of clarity: "He's right. Evolution is full of shit."
I was in shock! I studied COS the entire week-end and felt violated in my intellectual integrity. Looking back at it, this was clearly some attempt to enrol me into COS. The test is a sham, not recognize by any real professional in any science.
I know exactly how you felt. I just hope I have enough knowledge and experience in the future not to get cornered like I did before (and like you did).
It's because of whiners like you, (Yeah, I just called you a whiner, I know, it's not polite or anything)
Not the W word!
You'd know if you had a citation, now wouldn't you?
Ever since I started killing boars for their intestines, I dreamed of the day where I could taste just a slice of WoW. I just hope this restaurant follows canonical recipes.
Bear Meat + Boar Intestines + Spider Ichor = Crazy Delicious Blood Sausage
Mmm, I can smell it cooking right now.
I knew this guy who owned a funeral home. His motto was "First one's on the house!"
He wasn't a very good businessman, though.
My college actually used Alice in its introductory programming course for the first week or two before jumping into the "real" stuff.
I can't really judge its effectiveness personally, because I knew a good deal going in, but I grant that it was a fun, hands-on way of diving into certain programming concepts (procedural execution, object-oriented design), while avoiding the distracting concepts (compile problems, convoluted syntax, command prompts).
Seems like it'd be great for younger people. Plus it's got that creative element that encourages people to explore the parameters and limits of the software to get exactly what they want.
Soviet Russia says, "Open another FRONT!"
Not necessarily. An infant has no "choice" in the matter of what toys they pick up. Toys are given to them by--you guessed it--the parents.
Most parents, firm believers (consciously or not) in gender roles, go ahead and ascribe gender roles to their children based on the kid's biology (If Jimmy has a penis, he gets the toy soldiers).
Later in life, if Jimmy wants a toy tank instead of a chemistry kit, we wouldn't say, "well, since he's a boy, he prefers more aggressive toys." I think it'd make more sense to say, "he's been raised in a culture that appreciates military-based toys."
So why should the toy soldier and doll-house be any different of an example?
Why is this post "funny" and the grand-parent post "interesting"? It seemed like the other way around to me.
...shit
I'm not so sure that will get the hormones out of our systems any faster, but I appreciate the advice.
IF you think GOTO has been FOR-gotten, THEN you should SWITCH to a new conditional. CASE closed!
Two words: National Security.
Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt.
That's three words.
Four, actually. Mine has five.
The rest ARE starving.
Seriously, people, move on - in case you didn't notice, a Black man was elected President and has chosen a woman for his Secretary of State. The debate is over, racism is out. Sure, you can find racists if you look, but the majority of America is not racist
Apparently you don't live anywhere near where I live...
I have no indication of it.. but I wonder if this game is, like America's Army, propaganda in order to convince people that "National Slavery" is a good thing and they they should love working for their masters in government.
National slavery? Really? They aren't asking you to build landmarks, dig trenches, or bite bullets. They're just asking that the general public become more informed about "basic civil defense training."
This is more like compulsory public education than national slavery. No need to hyperbolize.
That said, this kind of education should take place in high schools rather than at recruiting offices. It sounds like this might be an interesting idea for a "summer camp," especially if they offered certifications and extra credit for students. Community service credit, that sort of thing.
The internet is not and should never be a replacement for exercising an imagination. I can't help but shake the feeling that somebody needed to justify a shiny new computer lab and this is what they came up with.
I agree with you, but an immersive virtual world (ignoring the fact, for a moment, of whether or not this "game" is capable of that) can go a long way in setting up the scene. There's a reason why members of the Debate Team or Marching Band dress up for an actual performance--it brings an air of legitimacy and asks everyone involved to take it seriously.
That said, for the truly dedicated, I don't know if this helps all that much.
I compare my experiences of playing pen & paper role-playing games versus playing in a virtual world, ala World of Warcraft. The P&P games always felt more real and vivid than anything rendered on a screen, probably because the imagination had to be exercised rather than simply pampered by graphics and sound effects.
Overall, I'd say I agree with you: this might be pretty lame if you tried to teach the truly motivated. It's probably more limiting than real-life interactions.
But for everyone else, something like this might be interesting for popularizing the image, recruiting new people, and demonstrating simple role-playing exercises.
If the bible is exempt from criticism that can be levied upon textbooks, then why does it get used as a textbook in so many schools?
Of course the Bible is a textbook!
1. It had countless contributors (some authors even took credit for other authors' work without crediting them!).
2. It went through multiple editions (some parts had to be cut or reimagined through the ages).
3. Like the college textbook business, it has a stranglehold on a captive market. Don't like it? Tough. You pick up that Koran and you're a TERRORIST!
About the criticism thing, I always figured that was covered somewhere in the EULA. "By picking up this book, you agree to forfeit all independent reasoning skills, blah blah." Fortunately nobody ever takes those things seriously.
My favorite easter eggs are usually found in the comments for source code. You get to see features that were left out, acknowledgments of unfixed bugs, and rude messages about other programmers in the project.
One of Microsoft's head programmers tried a little stunt like the one you're suggesting. It cost him his career... his dignity... and if the suicide note was of any indication, even his life.
His name was Andrew B. Clippy, and his "personal touch" tore him asunder.
(its VERY difficult to create mental problems in people when they are given a wide range of experiences)
Your name's not Zaphod, right? C'mere, I got a little thing called a total perspective vortex I'd like you to see...
He's probably moving there to study the event horizon surrounding a certain black hole, otherwise known as the US financial market.
We poured over $700 billion into it, and I doubt even he will discover Hawking radiation leaking out. Maybe a few nickels, but that's it.
The beginning of the slavery abolition movement was started in the late 1700s, but it took another century for most governments to officially abolish it. The UK beat the US by at least 20 years.
Fun fact: Britain abolished slavery in 1807, but the slave trade and ownership of slaves throughout its colonies didn't end until 1833.
It was just too profitable of an enterprise to give up all at once, hence my word "grudgingly" rather than "charitably."
I'm sorry, but I make it a point not to play games with acronyms that resemble the sound of bodily functions.
Duly noted.
You raise an important point: species designation is an artificial category assignment. There is no clear break from one species to another, because if we had an impossibly complete fossil record, we would see slow and gradual evolution.
The history of primates in particular is pretty scarce. We have created entire species out of only a few misshapen teeth. If only we had complete skeletal hands, so we could measure their ability to throw chairs...