Dear dumb troll, You got it wrong. OSS is not software, it is a point of view on the world. It is something the humanity has known since Platon and Aristhotel. It is:
IDEAS DO NOT GROW IN CAGES
And the fact that software is what gives it wings is just late 20th sentury specifics. In ancient greece it was philosophy...
So, dear dumb idiotic troll I would really recommend you to go back into high school and learn a little bit more about how civilizations are developed.
Can you read man? Read it again. Alan is not talking about money payed for doing kernel. He is talking about people with money who wish to run Linux and have been able to afford the iron which is worth a lot of money.
In other words get yourself an Origin if you can (I can't;-)
Being a suit is not a capital offence. Being an idiot though is...
Alan is right, idiots shall die out sooner or later. The problem is how long it will take and will *BSD and Linux survive over this... We have an example of an idiotic (suit) system being a market leader so this is indeed a reasonable suspicion...
See the quantity of bs that came out with R00tH4t 5.1 and compare it to any Slackware or Debian release. We are talking about RELEASES not about hot fixes after everything has been f... up on release. M$ is very good in that too, you know...
There is FUD here I agree. The guy is just missing the point. Linux has not been designed to kill M$ like OS2 or Jabba. And this is what makes it viable. You cannot be viable with a negative stand...
At the same time using Linux or FreeBSD or whatever other FreeOS means simply that part of the money that would be payed into M$ pocket will be payed for somebodys brain to maintain the stuff. If it comes cheaper good. If it comes more expensive - bad (pure business common sense).
So overall the guy has hit the point partially: 5$ - cool 50,000 - bad (this compares to a single salary).
He simply forgot the next step called 500,000$... This amount of money justifies paying 100,000$ for a brain. And this is the main problem in this article. No idea if this omission is intentional or not... Most likely it is...
As I said a while ago. PIII is the best support for Linux and other OSS OSes to be ever released. Now it comes to the point: either use Linux/FreeBSD, etc or loose your privacy rights.
Lovely...
Intel has unintentionally screwed all M$ users. Beautyful...
I am using AMD anyway;-)
This paper is badly though out and simply stupid.
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Do not see the problem here:
Even slackware has rpm utilities. And all systems have tar and gzip.
All systems shipped at the moment have both libc and glibc (with minor glitches like wich one is preferred) so no problem there either.
All systems ship with a 2.0.35+ kernel and none with 2.1.x or 2.2.x
So if an ISV is a moron and cannot design a properly linked package that will work on any system, then to hell with it and its venerable product.
In btw: this is what mostly makes windows life so troubled. So letting these guys into linux will quite windowize it... It is better to keep this kind of lousy "developers" OUT!
If the ISV is not a moron, than there is no problem with having 4-5 distributions. Oracle and IBM are proving this pretty well.
And there is more than enough standards as of now to follow (I mean those that are not completely implemented into Linux). Paying attention to a new and artificial one is simply stupid...
Even slackware has rpm utilities. And all systems have tar and gzip.
All systems shipped at the moment have both libc and glibc (with minor glitches like wich one is preferred) so no problem there either.
All systems ship with a 2.0.35+ kernel and none with 2.1.x or 2.2.x
So if an ISV is a moron and does not see the fact that a properly linked package will work on any system, then to hell with it and its venerable product.
If the ISV is not a moron, than there is no problem here and Oracle and IBM are proving this pretty well.
And there is more than enough standards as of now to follow (i mean those that are not completely implemented). Overlapping them with a new and artificial one is simply stupid...
You forget one major moment: How often have you met a windows user that thinks that there is nothing else but windows. How often have you met a XX-OS user that thinks that there is nothing, but his XX-OS.
Assume the standard almighty front page driving moron designing ASPs, CFMs or other crap without understanding it. And assume that the web authoring tools have told the moron (or even skipped telling him/her) to have this crap requirement in the page.
In other words, you are underestimating the power of human stupidity. Take a look around and ask yourself: "What is that percentage of US web sites that are designed to be viewed only with Winhose?"
Separate two thinkpads to run the station (with slowarez)... Did anybody think about this. Isn't this a nice opinion about M$ capability for use in mission critical environment.
Once again note it is not even let close to the mission.
And a second note - it is very interesting that the austronauts are not considered smart enough to use solaris for mail...
Haha, Looks like Intel is really sponsoring Linux and FreeBSD - the only systems where the "feature" of being searialized is under full user control;-)
If you do not wanna be tracked do not use windows.... Period....
I cannot help myself not to laugh. Way to go intel. In between, people, why not SUPPORT Intel in this serialization stuff, as long as it runs at RING 0 and is unavailable in user space... It may as well serve usefull in this case (random number generation, unique IDs, etc).
I would be more impressed if HP (dunno for SGI) would publish the info for their higher end systems. Because as of now porting either BSD-s or linux for them is impossible... The stuff has stopped at HP300;-(
Still, not bad. It would be funny to stick it in the face of quite a bit of HP retailers that used to explain that Linux is unprofessional and unstable and people are supposed to by WinXX for their HP stuff...
I usually do not give a damn and post with my real name but I understand people who hide behind AC because of their employment... (I have to remind some of the posters that there are US corporations where even the email is considered to be CORPORATE property).
There is just one minor note on flamers. They are mostly not adolescent mailes, but badly educated people who do not agree with anybody who thinks differently. They also cannot argue for their opinion so they have to shout over anybody who thinks different.
The discussion around operation "Desert Blow Job..." was a good example of that...
And what about AC;-), AC is just a term, let it stay...
99% of the so called windows programmers are just drag and drop k1dd13z. They do not know how to program, they know how to "draw" with a toolbox. The remaining 1% ain't working on any Linux;-)
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Reminder: it took a brute force approach to get there. Breaking hands is not a reasonable idea...
Dear dumb troll,
You got it wrong. OSS is not software, it is a point of view on the world. It is something the humanity has known since Platon and Aristhotel. It is:
IDEAS DO NOT GROW IN CAGES
And the fact that software is what gives it wings is just late 20th sentury specifics. In ancient greece it was philosophy...
So, dear dumb idiotic troll I would really recommend you to go back into high school and learn a little bit more about how civilizations are developed.
Best regards,
Congratulations from a man that wears a suit at work (sometimes).
;-)
This is worth to be posted on segfault
Can you read man?
;-)
Read it again. Alan is not talking about money payed for doing kernel. He is talking about people with money who wish to run Linux and have been able to afford the iron which is worth a lot of money.
In other words get yourself an Origin if you can (I can't
Being a suit is not a capital offence. Being an idiot though is...
Alan is right, idiots shall die out sooner or later. The problem is how long it will take and will *BSD and Linux survive over this... We have an example of an idiotic (suit) system being a market leader so this is indeed a reasonable suspicion...
Nope,
r00th4t is r00th4t. A system to be possessed by every idiot passing by...
Read Subj:
See the quantity of bs that came out with R00tH4t 5.1 and compare it to any Slackware or Debian release. We are talking about RELEASES not about hot fixes after everything has been f... up on release. M$ is very good in that too, you know...
Congratulations Debian.
;-)
I was starting to get warried about Linux after the latest/lamest Redmond style R00tH4t releases.
They were almost as secure and stable as NT
(non-believers - read CERT advisories, rootshell and insecure.org).
C00l 1nst4ll 1s n0t 3n0ugh...
Read www.insecure.org and make some quick statistics. See why Slackware is still the number 1 active installaction and Debian is no 2.
No matter what the M$ idea was the mere attempt is a reasonable suspicion to be added to the DOJ case.
It will be a real pitty if Van Kempen does not ship ALL M$ proposals to DOJ immediately.
read Subj:
There is FUD here I agree. The guy is just missing the point. Linux has not been designed to kill M$ like OS2 or Jabba. And this is what makes it viable. You cannot be viable with a negative stand...
... This amount of money justifies paying 100,000$ for a brain. And this is the main problem in this article. No idea if this omission is intentional or not... Most likely it is...
At the same time using Linux or FreeBSD or whatever other FreeOS means simply that part of the money that would be payed into M$ pocket will be payed for somebodys brain to maintain the stuff. If it comes cheaper good. If it comes more expensive - bad (pure business common sense).
So overall the guy has hit the point partially:
5$ - cool
50,000 - bad (this compares to a single salary).
He simply forgot the next step called 500,000$
As I said a while ago. PIII is the best support for Linux and other OSS OSes to be ever released. Now it comes to the point: either use Linux/FreeBSD, etc or loose your privacy rights.
;-)
Lovely...
Intel has unintentionally screwed all M$ users. Beautyful...
I am using AMD anyway
Do not see the problem here:
Even slackware has rpm utilities. And all systems have tar and gzip.
All systems shipped at the moment have both libc and glibc (with minor glitches like wich one is preferred) so no problem there either.
All systems ship with a 2.0.35+ kernel and none with 2.1.x or 2.2.x
So if an ISV is a moron and cannot design a properly linked package that will work on any system, then to hell with it and its venerable product.
In btw: this is what mostly makes windows life so troubled. So letting these guys into linux will quite windowize it... It is better to keep this kind of lousy "developers" OUT!
If the ISV is not a moron, than there is no problem with having 4-5 distributions. Oracle and IBM are proving this pretty well.
And there is more than enough standards as of now to follow (I mean those that are not completely implemented into Linux). Paying attention to a new and artificial one is simply stupid...
Do not see the problem here:
Even slackware has rpm utilities. And all systems have tar and gzip.
All systems shipped at the moment have both libc and glibc (with minor glitches like wich one is preferred) so no problem there either.
All systems ship with a 2.0.35+ kernel and none with 2.1.x or 2.2.x
So if an ISV is a moron and does not see the fact that a properly linked package will work on any system, then to hell with it and its venerable product.
If the ISV is not a moron, than there is no problem here and Oracle and IBM are proving this pretty well.
And there is more than enough standards as of now to follow (i mean those that are not completely implemented). Overlapping them with a new and artificial one is simply stupid...
You forget one major moment:
How often have you met a windows user that thinks that there is nothing else but windows. How often have you met a XX-OS user that thinks that there is nothing, but his XX-OS.
Assume the standard almighty front page driving moron designing ASPs, CFMs or other crap without understanding it. And assume that the web authoring tools have told the moron (or even skipped telling him/her) to have this crap requirement in the page.
In other words, you are underestimating the power of human stupidity. Take a look around and ask yourself: "What is that percentage of US web sites that are designed to be viewed only with Winhose?"
This is a subject for psychiatric examination. A detailed one...
Hey folks please note:
Separate two thinkpads to run the station (with slowarez)...
Did anybody think about this. Isn't this a nice opinion about M$ capability for use in mission critical environment.
Once again note it is not even let close to the mission.
And a second note - it is very interesting that the austronauts are not considered smart enough to use solaris for mail...
Doesn't this cause thoughts...
1. Get yourself a modern unix box. I would not mind hearing your opinion again after that.
2. You did not read the whole article. Please note that UNIX is what is used for the mission. Windows is for toys...
Haha, ;-)
Looks like Intel is really sponsoring Linux and FreeBSD - the only systems where the "feature" of being searialized is under full user control
If you do not wanna be tracked do not use windows.... Period....
I cannot help myself not to laugh.
Way to go intel.
In between, people, why not SUPPORT Intel in this serialization stuff, as long as it runs at RING 0 and is unavailable in user space... It may as well serve usefull in this case (random number generation, unique IDs, etc).
I would be more impressed if HP (dunno for SGI) would publish the info for their higher end systems. Because as of now porting either BSD-s or linux for them is impossible... The stuff has stopped at HP300 ;-(
Still, not bad. It would be funny to stick it in the face of quite a bit of HP retailers that used to explain that Linux is unprofessional and unstable and people are supposed to by WinXX for their HP stuff...
I usually do not give a damn and post with my real name but I understand people who hide behind AC because of their employment... (I have to remind some of the posters that there are US corporations where even the email is considered to be CORPORATE property).
There is just one minor note on flamers. They are mostly not adolescent mailes, but badly educated people who do not agree with anybody who thinks differently. They also cannot argue for their opinion so they have to shout over anybody who thinks different.
The discussion around operation " Desert Blow Job... " was a good example of that...
And what about AC ;-), AC is just a term, let it stay...
99% of the so called windows programmers are just drag and drop k1dd13z. They do not know how to program, they know how to "draw" with a toolbox. ;-)
The remaining 1% ain't working on any Linux
So this is big fuss for nothing...