Now if only they would send infinite supplies of can-cooked spiced pink meat to the nasty kind of spammers...
I certainly hope you mean the clown that hit my email three times last night from 0-3pool107-193.nas6.los-angeles1.ca.us.da.qwest.ne t [63.233.107.193]. Three spams, same message to two email addresses, a third separate spam to only one email address. I'm tellin' ya, it's gettin' re-goddamn-diculous.
If I had gone away for the weekend, I'd have had 36 legitimate emails awaiting me from friends, family and the Metro Detroit Linux Users Group, and 26 spam emails. If I were to discount the mailing list mail (28 messages), I'd be wading through 26 spam emails to find seven legitimate messages.
Sorry, Hormel, but we didn't write that Monty Python script which seemed to so well describe a phenomenon similar to unsolicited bulk email. I'd be willing to rename it baloney, though.
I remember several years ago finding wav files recorded by the same guy who did the "You've got mail!" wav for AOHell. Best one of the bunch was, "You want fries with that?!"
If Microsoft thinks that people are going to want to keep paying for the same software title over and over again, they're nuts.
The problem with this statement is that the sheeple who buy Microsoft products already have been paying for the same software title over and over again for the last six to eight years. Check this out:
Microsoft Windows 3.1
Microsoft Windows 95a
Microsoft Windows 95b w/USB
Microsoft Windows 98
Microsoft Windows 98 Second Edition
Microsoft Windows Millenium Edition
Each time there's been an upgrade, the users have been forced to pay over and over and over again to upgrade to the latest bug fixes on the same platform. They seem to be mostly happy with that idea. Why, I'll never be able to figure it out.
95b was bugfixes and upgrades for 95a...
98 was bugfixes for 95b...
98SE was bugfixes for 98...
and on and on and on... ad infinitum.
Seems to me that the public doesn't mind paying Microsoft over and over to fix bugs. Me, on the other hand, would rather see them fix the bugs--PERMANENTLY. However, since there's another choice (think penguins), the whole point is rendered moot.
My idea of subscription-based software upgrades is checking ftp mirrors for the latest copy of Mandrake.
Rich
Re:Wow... Just pause a moment and take it all in.
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I know that it's important to save the trees and everything else here on Earth, but I'll be damned if space isn't just a whole hell of a lot prettier anyway, and spaceships and aliens a whole hell of a lot more fun.;^)
Only a whole hell of a lotta fun until the alien decides to dig your intestines out with a claw and being eating you, bit by tiny bit.
Yes, the pictures of space are pretty. Y' know what's prettier? A squirrel running up the tree in my backyard with a stick in it's mouth, obviously off to build it's nest. I'll take oxygen, sunshine and fresh water any time over a black void any time.
Until then, I have my good friend, the "delete" key. Takes a second, gets rid of my problem. It's not THAT difficult.
It's not that difficult until every bleeding asswipe thieving spammer in the world decides to mail you about their wonderful offer for viagra, university diplomas or the next best thing to sliced bread. Pretty soon you're spending more time just hitting delete than doing anything else. Problem is, JHD doesn't scale. I prefer the "just delete the spamming asshole from the internet" method myself.
I'm a lot more skeptical to if the 25 mile range actually is realistical, even taking into account weather and such and not just some laboratory-theoretical limit.
Weather, ie rain, sleet, snow, hail, etc, has negligible effect on 2.4MHz transmission through empty atmosphere and fresnel zones. Leaves, ie, a friggin' forest between a wireless client and an access point, make a whole lotta difference.
I'm battling just such a situation here in the Detroit area. I've got a client with two campuses separated by three miles over mostly flat ground with the standard trees and 1-2 story buildings cluttering the ground. One building has a 60' tower on the roof, putting that antenna 80' in the sky, and the other has just a small 20' antenna mast on the other building, creating a point-to-point link using Breezecom's 11 mbps gear. Wintertime rolls around and the guy gets great signal strength and quality. We're anxiously awaiting the end of the month, when the trees here in Michigan will start sprouting leaves again. Last year, his signal strength and quality were seriously degraded during the summer. Add a good rainstorm and the resulting water collecting on those leaves and there were days when his point-to-point was completely fucked.
I've recommended he get a second tower on the roof but since it's suburban Detroit, the power mongers in the city building department won't let him have the permits. Thppt.
Unfortunately, while this gentleman has said all the right things, he has come off as being a little too biased towards the Slashdot community. I felt like I was listening to a "typical politician", even if that politician is perhaps refusing lobbies from entertainment corporations (it sure sounds like it).
As far as I can tell, I'd rather have Rep Boucher be the "typical politician" working on the aspects of legislation that Slashdotters are interested in. I don't think you could get Sen Jesse Helms to do the job.
Let the buyer decide if it's worth it. If so, Libranet stands to make some cash. If the buyer doesn't think so, oh well. As for my own personal preference... I'll stick with Mandrake--weekly updated iso images available for download. Price? $0.
AOL won their case with Spamford Wallace and Cyberpromotions on just such grounds. The courts found that first amendment rights had no forebearance on business communications and that spam was not "protected speech" due to its commercial nature. Source: http://www.epic.org/free_speech/cyberp_v_aol.html
AMERICA ONLINE, INC. VS. CYBER PROMOTIONS, INC.
C.A. NO. 96-5213
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The Court declares that Cyber Promotions, Inc. does not have a right under the First Amendment to the United States Constitution or under the Constitutions of Pennsylvania and Virginia to send unsolicited e-mail advertisements over the Internet to members of America Online, Inc. and, as a result, America Online, Inc. may block any attempts by Cyber Promotions, Inc. to do so.
-snip-
It's funny, they claim the SPAM is legal, but they hide their identity.
Of course, those claims of legality are the Number 1 spammer lie out there. Bill S.1618 mentioned in most Murk' disclaimers died back in 1998 but the spammers still try to claim that their spam is OK because they conform to that proposal. As anyone who's ever stayed awake during junior high school civics courses can attest to, bills are not laws. Somehow this escapes the grasp of most spammers.
It all goes to prove the following:
Rule 1: Spammers lie.
Rule 2: When in doubt about the truth of a spammer's statements, see rule 1.
Rule 3: Spammers are stupid.
These sniffer boxes are just online policemen, but unbiased because they are automated. Nobodies freedom is being curtailed but the lawbreakers.
Ever heard of due process? Ever heard of innocent until proven guilty? When was the last time you let the cops raid your house without a warrant? I know, non sequiter but damn, man, censorship sucks.
Say this sniffer filters on words such as "firebomb". Then suppose there's a site online that happens to use that word in a context that has nothing to do with illegal acts. How is an automated bot gonna differentiate?
Rich
FUD, more FUD and FUD some more. Linux ran over my baby seal.
See, when threatened with superior competition, Microsoft starts releasing little articles that basically tell little white lies, instilling a sense of fear, uncertainty and doubt into the minds of pointy haired bosses everywhere, since they're the ones who make the decisions about what operating systems their company is going to use. They've got a firm hold on many of the PHB's here in Detroit. No matter what I say or do, Linux is regarded as "Oh, that open source stuff. What happens when you need technical support?..." and all the usual FUD-related questions.
I'll never forget the day that the Challenger went down.
I was four months short on a four year tour of duty with 1st Battalion, 6th Marines at Camp Lejeune, NC. That day I spent most of the morning at the dental section on base, having a root canal done. After my appointment was done, it was around lunchtime, so I went back to my room at the barracks and flipped on the tv. I had a blank cartridge in the VCR and hit record as I tuned in to the launch with only minutes to spare, thinking it would be neat to have the launch on tape because of teacher Christa McAuliffe's big flight. I caught the entire thing on tape--lift off, roll program, ka-bang, then two boosters fly out of the cloud left behind and we begin seeing the debris falling out of the sky.
I then carried the tube and vcr the quarter-mile to the company/batallion headquarters building and set it up for folks to watch who hadn't seen what happened. All the while, me, a skinny yet muscular Marine, wept like a baby at one of the worst disasters in the hisory of the space flight program.
I think a lot has changed for Nasa. They've tightened up procedures and policies in order to prevent catastrophies like this from happening again. At least something good came out of it.
Rich
Spam is certainly very annoying, but is it sacrificing too much of our Internet Freedom to let governments fine and even jail people for spamming? I mean, everyone always talks about freedom on the Internet, keeping it unregulated, etc. Why should this be different? This is a huge regulation. Who is to say exactly what spam is? And what would prevent the state from jailing me for sending a friend an unsolicited email about a product i recently saw and thought he might like to buy? A little far-fetched, I admit, but this just seems like a dangerous road to go down. I say turn the filter on and keep government out of the Internet.
The defining requirement about spam is its unsolicited nature. Did I ask you to send me that ad that you thought I might be interested in? Do I even know you? I would think that if I know you, I'd certainly make an exception if you send me an ad you found to be interesting. I'd also bet that being that I already know and respect your opinion on some things, I'd not consider your email spam.
However, consider the facts concerning current spam: It's usually from some unknown source, complete with forged envelope headers, sent from some free ISP using uu.net dialups via open relays on the Western Pacific Rim. Is there any question about the label UCE on messages that fit this criteria?
As I said earlier, make an antispam law similar to the Junk Fax law, where the complainant can sue in small claims for $50 per message (echostar.com would owe me about $1000 right now) and give ISP's the legal right to charge cleanup fees. Make it so that it begins to cost spammers money to send their garbage and you'd see the spamload die a slow, horrible death.
Rich
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Who said spammers have morals?
Goes right along with the Rules of Spambotics:
1. Spammers lie.
2. When in doubt about spammer lies, see Rule 1.
3. Spammers are stupid.
Also, what about all the spam that comes in from other countries? How will a single national jurisdiction have any impact on spam sent from outside it's borders?
I'm in the US and feel that since a majority of spam originates from USA uu.net dialups, either state laws or a single federal law with the same penalties as the Junk Fax law (USC47.5.II.227) would have a significant effect on the spamload. However, it does nothing to combat spam sent from places like Brazil or Argentina (another small source of my spamload).
Here's to hoping something happens in the US along these same lines.
Rich
Christ, another Slashdot troll. Who let you fuck heads onto of the Slashdot severs? Why don't you stagger off and write some whining little troll to your message board and leave the rest of the net alone. We don't give a shit about you.
The issue is having to worry about them doing this more in the future. Now, I do think its a bit reactionary to drop them for one instance of this, as it may well be some legit problem, but if it were to occur repeatedly?
See my previous comment regarding this behavior being well-documented by members of news.admin.net-abuse.email. It has happened in the past, it's still happening.
If it looks like pink meat, smells like pink meat, then it must be spam!
Though I'm not a subscriber to Ebay's service, I've seen other people complain about this on news.admin.net-abuse.email. Check out these deja.com discussions and you'll see that it's been a problem at least since early December 2000.
The only difference between spammers and Ebay is that spammers are just a bit more ruthless.
Shucks, you mean this isn't about denying traffic from Chinese hosts? Damn, and I thought my spamload was going to go down.
Seriously, though, cutting off traffic from the "land without reverse DNS" would be a godsend. I get nothing from China but relay-raped spam from uu.net dialups and network probes against my firewall box.
Fuck 'em. Let them have their own intranet. Censorship be damned.
Rich
I've been running it mostly rock solid on three machines for the better part of 3 months, and have run Mandrake since v5.3. I've been extremely pleased with the performance, ease of installation and configuration and all the features of Mandrake. I've also been playing around with it on an old P100 machine at work and even that was relatively painless to configure. Mandrake rocks out.
The only glitches that I've noticed were that the installation with my Voodoo 3 3000 on my K62 500 machine at home wanted to use the frame buffer kernel and installed Aurora to gussy up the boot sequence. One word: Yuk. I quickly removed Aurora and installed the plain kernel and it works wonderfully.
On that P100 machine at work (a NEC), I had to fight with it a bit as the older video onboard the mobo was very poorly supported. I installed an older Cirrus PCI with 2 mb and tweaked it after install to use X 4.0 (hint: Copy the 4.0 config file over the 3.3.6 default in/etc/X11, set the symlink for X to point to/usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86, then run Xconfigurator). Executed init 5 and bingo, nice video, not all that glitchy nonsense that was common with older cards under 3.3.6's SVGA driver.
You must not have noticed that there were $18,000 damages involved as a result his intrusion into and theft of services of a network that he did not have any right to use. Not to mention he was witless enough to forge ibm.com on all his trash. He couldn't have had better response than if he'd gone and masturbated naked on the steps of IBM headquarters.
Assuming it's not just slashdotted, I'd like to thank whoever cracked and crashed that motherfucker's server.
It's not slashdotted, it's been null-routed. Uu.net pulled the plug on Nace's connection just prior to the article going to press. Uu.net had already received a great deal of complaints regarding Nace and his activities. Seems highly coincidental that the subject of a news story about spam problems gets his connection pulled, but hey, as long as the creep ain't spamming, I'm a happy camper.
Rich
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On the other hand, they'd ultimately have less work to do; how many spammers would use the service if they knew that they'd get about 24 hours of use.
The problem lies especially in the fact that many other large ISPs can clamp down on a spamming user with very little interference from their sales or legal departments. 24 hours, let alone 30 minutes, is too long for a spammer to stay online. When you consider that some of these clowns set up T3's and OC1's and that they can blast 100,000 emails in about 17 minutes, there's where uu.net has it all wrong.
Rich
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Consumer Watchdog! Yes, we're rough on bogus businesses! And today,
Consumer Watchdog reports on protecting you, the consumer, from being
consumed by dangerous products and phony packaging. -- Firesign Theatre
TINLC Unit #2309 Death to all spammer accounts.
Despite claims of spammers to have "targeted" lists of email addresses, there is very little that they can know about those email addresses...same with telemarketers and phone numbers.
Three rules apply here:
1. Spammers lie.
2. When in doubt about spammer lies, see rule 1.
3. Spammers are stupid.
Obviously there's nothing targeted about the usual dictionary attack spam that I get from uu.net dialups all the time. I keep wondering how I got targeted for viagra.
Rich
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TINLC Unit #2309 Death to all spammer accounts.
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If I had gone away for the weekend, I'd have had 36 legitimate emails awaiting me from friends, family and the Metro Detroit Linux Users Group, and 26 spam emails. If I were to discount the mailing list mail (28 messages), I'd be wading through 26 spam emails to find seven legitimate messages.
Sorry, Hormel, but we didn't write that Monty Python script which seemed to so well describe a phenomenon similar to unsolicited bulk email. I'd be willing to rename it baloney, though.
I remember several years ago finding wav files recorded by the same guy who did the "You've got mail!" wav for AOHell. Best one of the bunch was, "You want fries with that?!"
Rich
Microsoft Windows 3.1
Microsoft Windows 95a
Microsoft Windows 95b w/USB
Microsoft Windows 98
Microsoft Windows 98 Second Edition
Microsoft Windows Millenium Edition
Each time there's been an upgrade, the users have been forced to pay over and over and over again to upgrade to the latest bug fixes on the same platform. They seem to be mostly happy with that idea. Why, I'll never be able to figure it out.
95b was bugfixes and upgrades for 95a
98 was bugfixes for 95b
98SE was bugfixes for 98
and on and on and on... ad infinitum.
Seems to me that the public doesn't mind paying Microsoft over and over to fix bugs. Me, on the other hand, would rather see them fix the bugs--PERMANENTLY. However, since there's another choice (think penguins), the whole point is rendered moot.
My idea of subscription-based software upgrades is checking ftp mirrors for the latest copy of Mandrake.
Rich
Yes, the pictures of space are pretty. Y' know what's prettier? A squirrel running up the tree in my backyard with a stick in it's mouth, obviously off to build it's nest. I'll take oxygen, sunshine and fresh water any time over a black void any time.
At least let it work on something worthwhile, like the SETI@Home project.
I'm battling just such a situation here in the Detroit area. I've got a client with two campuses separated by three miles over mostly flat ground with the standard trees and 1-2 story buildings cluttering the ground. One building has a 60' tower on the roof, putting that antenna 80' in the sky, and the other has just a small 20' antenna mast on the other building, creating a point-to-point link using Breezecom's 11 mbps gear. Wintertime rolls around and the guy gets great signal strength and quality. We're anxiously awaiting the end of the month, when the trees here in Michigan will start sprouting leaves again. Last year, his signal strength and quality were seriously degraded during the summer. Add a good rainstorm and the resulting water collecting on those leaves and there were days when his point-to-point was completely fucked.
I've recommended he get a second tower on the roof but since it's suburban Detroit, the power mongers in the city building department won't let him have the permits. Thppt.
Let the buyer decide if it's worth it. If so, Libranet stands to make some cash. If the buyer doesn't think so, oh well. As for my own personal preference... I'll stick with Mandrake--weekly updated iso images available for download. Price? $0.
It all goes to prove the following:
Rule 1: Spammers lie.
Rule 2: When in doubt about the truth of a spammer's statements, see rule 1.
Rule 3: Spammers are stupid.
FUD, more FUD and FUD some more. Linux ran over my baby seal.
See, when threatened with superior competition, Microsoft starts releasing little articles that basically tell little white lies, instilling a sense of fear, uncertainty and doubt into the minds of pointy haired bosses everywhere, since they're the ones who make the decisions about what operating systems their company is going to use. They've got a firm hold on many of the PHB's here in Detroit. No matter what I say or do, Linux is regarded as "Oh, that open source stuff. What happens when you need technical support?..." and all the usual FUD-related questions.
Rich
I'll never forget the day that the Challenger went down. I was four months short on a four year tour of duty with 1st Battalion, 6th Marines at Camp Lejeune, NC. That day I spent most of the morning at the dental section on base, having a root canal done. After my appointment was done, it was around lunchtime, so I went back to my room at the barracks and flipped on the tv. I had a blank cartridge in the VCR and hit record as I tuned in to the launch with only minutes to spare, thinking it would be neat to have the launch on tape because of teacher Christa McAuliffe's big flight. I caught the entire thing on tape--lift off, roll program, ka-bang, then two boosters fly out of the cloud left behind and we begin seeing the debris falling out of the sky. I then carried the tube and vcr the quarter-mile to the company/batallion headquarters building and set it up for folks to watch who hadn't seen what happened. All the while, me, a skinny yet muscular Marine, wept like a baby at one of the worst disasters in the hisory of the space flight program. I think a lot has changed for Nasa. They've tightened up procedures and policies in order to prevent catastrophies like this from happening again. At least something good came out of it. Rich
However, consider the facts concerning current spam: It's usually from some unknown source, complete with forged envelope headers, sent from some free ISP using uu.net dialups via open relays on the Western Pacific Rim. Is there any question about the label UCE on messages that fit this criteria?
As I said earlier, make an antispam law similar to the Junk Fax law, where the complainant can sue in small claims for $50 per message (echostar.com would owe me about $1000 right now) and give ISP's the legal right to charge cleanup fees. Make it so that it begins to cost spammers money to send their garbage and you'd see the spamload die a slow, horrible death.
Rich
Christ, another Slashdot troll. Who let you fuck heads onto of the Slashdot severs? Why don't you stagger off and write some whining little troll to your message board and leave the rest of the net alone. We don't give a shit about you.
Meow.
If it looks like pink meat, smells like pink meat, then it must be spam!
Though I'm not a subscriber to Ebay's service, I've seen other people complain about this on news.admin.net-abuse.email. Check out these deja.com discussions and you'll see that it's been a problem at least since early December 2000.
The only difference between spammers and Ebay is that spammers are just a bit more ruthless.
Shucks, you mean this isn't about denying traffic from Chinese hosts? Damn, and I thought my spamload was going to go down. Seriously, though, cutting off traffic from the "land without reverse DNS" would be a godsend. I get nothing from China but relay-raped spam from uu.net dialups and network probes against my firewall box. Fuck 'em. Let them have their own intranet. Censorship be damned. Rich
I've been running it mostly rock solid on three machines for the better part of 3 months, and have run Mandrake since v5.3. I've been extremely pleased with the performance, ease of installation and configuration and all the features of Mandrake. I've also been playing around with it on an old P100 machine at work and even that was relatively painless to configure. Mandrake rocks out. The only glitches that I've noticed were that the installation with my Voodoo 3 3000 on my K62 500 machine at home wanted to use the frame buffer kernel and installed Aurora to gussy up the boot sequence. One word: Yuk. I quickly removed Aurora and installed the plain kernel and it works wonderfully. On that P100 machine at work (a NEC), I had to fight with it a bit as the older video onboard the mobo was very poorly supported. I installed an older Cirrus PCI with 2 mb and tweaked it after install to use X 4.0 (hint: Copy the 4.0 config file over the 3.3.6 default in /etc/X11, set the symlink for X to point to /usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86, then run Xconfigurator). Executed init 5 and bingo, nice video, not all that glitchy nonsense that was common with older cards under 3.3.6's SVGA driver.
You must not have noticed that there were $18,000 damages involved as a result his intrusion into and theft of services of a network that he did not have any right to use. Not to mention he was witless enough to forge ibm.com on all his trash. He couldn't have had better response than if he'd gone and masturbated naked on the steps of IBM headquarters.
Rich
Rich
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Consumer Watchdog! Yes, we're rough on bogus businesses!
And today, Consumer Watchdog reports on protecting you, the consumer,
from being consumed by dangerous products and phony packaging. -- Firesign Theatre
TINLC Unit #2309 Death to all spammer accounts.
The problem lies especially in the fact that many other large ISPs can clamp down on a spamming user with very little interference from their sales or legal departments. 24 hours, let alone 30 minutes, is too long for a spammer to stay online. When you consider that some of these clowns set up T3's and OC1's and that they can blast 100,000 emails in about 17 minutes, there's where uu.net has it all wrong.
Rich
--
Consumer Watchdog! Yes, we're rough on bogus businesses! And today,
Consumer Watchdog reports on protecting you, the consumer,
from being consumed by dangerous products and phony packaging. -- Firesign Theatre
TINLC Unit #2309 Death to all spammer accounts.
Three rules apply here:
1. Spammers lie.
2. When in doubt about spammer lies, see rule 1.
3. Spammers are stupid.
Obviously there's nothing targeted about the usual dictionary attack spam that I get from uu.net dialups all the time. I keep wondering how I got targeted for viagra.
Rich
--
Consumer Watchdog! Yes, we're rough on bogus businesses!
And today, Consumer Watchdog reports on protecting you, the consumer,
from being consumed by dangerous products and phony packaging. -- Firesign Theatre
TINLC Unit #2309 Death to all spammer accounts.