Really, man. If he doesn't want the stuff, he should *JUST OPT OUT*. That's right, unsubscribe. In this case, pick up the phone or write a letter to each magazine publisher and marketing company and request they remove him from their lists. Really, it's very simple.
Now, how many offers do you think he's receiving a day? If it's anything like what my parents get after living in the same place for the last 12 years, with Mom shopping in every mail order catalog she can find, and trust me, I've had to go pick up their mail during their vacations--mail delivery at their house can be a stack a foot high. How it fits in the mailbox is an entirely different question.
I hope he's inundated. I hope he gets a sense of what we all feel when we see his shit. Oh, wait, he says he wants to sue antispammers for "harrassing" him. I see he's got that sense now.
The anti-spam movement has been saying this since 1997. It's about time the world woke up and realized how badly the spammers have trashed the effectiveness of email. I know I block using several DNSbl's, a huge access.db with spamassassin picking up the slack that the others miss. I have had to whitelist people whose email gets caught in the other traps.
To me, I dream of the day we can go back to simply leaving email unfiltered and where we receive only that mail we would normally expect, not drivel from marketoons who think that email is the next best thing to handbills posted on my front door. I'm tired of having to update my access.db. I'm tired of keeping up all the diligence, watching logs to see what legitimate mail might have bounced.
Thank you, you rotten, spamming assholes and all the idiots that ever bought anything advertised in spam email.
Rich
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Verio earned this, though. If they harbor this number of spammers, they can become like AGIS: Bankrupt and out of business. They steal from every ISP on the planet. My inbox is not their advertising space.
When spammers pay me for the privelege of advertising in my box, then we'll talk business.
I particularly don't care if we humans survive, if it will mean the end of life as we know it (say for example, enough food). We can be very advanced, but if for any reasons growing crops gets harder we'd be in real trouble feeding 5B humans.
Really, man. This planet has been waaay overdue for a good enema. The more I look around me, the more I note that most of the species homo sapiens is no longer sapient, IOW, truly thinking, thoughtful beings. We're stripping off the vegetation and paving everything over, polluting the seas with nasty chemicals and wrecking the environment. If the end of the magnetosphere as we know it doesn't take the human population out, something someday will.
We're too friggin' dull to realize how badly we're fucking this planet already. I don't expect there will be some massive wakeup call in the next century.
The website that has been following this issue from the start, http://t3-v-mcnicol.ilaw.com.au, has finally published the decision in pdf format (see it here). On pages 6 & 7, Deputy Registrar Hewitt, in paragraphs 15 & 16, says the following:
"15 Counsel for the plaintiff suggests that it would be unfair to end this action at this stage without giving the plaintiff the opportunity to further explore this case using the interlocutory processes now available to it in these proceedings.
16 I do not agree. The plaintiff has commenced an action which appears to me to be speculative and based on propositions which it knew to be incorrect (see my earlier discussion regarding unfounded). If not an abuse, the action is akin to one."
In other words, the Deputy Registrar feels that T3 and Mansfield's bringing this suit forward was as close to abuse as they could get without the action being prosecuted as being frivolous and without just cause! What a maroon!
I read NANAE regularly; this whole T3 Direct saga has been nothing but the highest entertainment to me. It's even better than watching circus clowns!
Rich
Some other interesting links about Mr Cowles...
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These are some very revealing links regarding who Tommy Brock *really* is:
You may want to tell ^Sarge^ that he should secure the open http proxy running on port 8080. I'm certain that his machine is undoubtedly routing plenty of spam for various and sundry assholes around the 'net.
Several of the more hardcore lists will quite gladly blacklist an entire ISP for hosting spammers. Doesn't matter if you're squeaky clean with a five year contract with the ISP, they'll just say "get a new ISP, they've broken their contract with you"... all in the interests of peer pressure.
I haven't been hit myself by that, but I can sure empathise with the poor bastards that have.
What you fail to understand is that the mantra, "get a new ISP, they've broken their contract with you..." is not the only mantra being spoken by the blocklist administrators. There are several other things one who's been blocklisted as collateral damage can do to resolve their situation.
First, one can bitch at the ISP being blocklisted--daily if possible--about the situation. The blocklisting would not be in effect if the blocklisted ISP were quick about nuking spammers from their network. If one were to use google to look through news.admin.net-abuse.sightings, one would find hundreds, if not thousands, of complaints regarding spammers for blocklisted ISPs over weeks/months of time. Most ISPs won't hesitate to nuke a spammer from their network in less than a weeks time given a sufficient number of believable complaints. Why is it that some ISPs seem not to give a shit about hosting spammers? Is it because of the money?? *smirk*
A collaterally damaged network can also arrange for email connectivity via a third party, non-blocklisted provider, then deduct the expense from the bill for the blocklisted provider. One might also ask that the ISP protecting their networks with blocklists whitelist one's mail server IPs.
However, since any company lending financial support to any spam-friendly ISP by paying them money for partial connectivity is in essence part of the spam problem, the best idea is for a collaterally-damaged network tell the blocklisted ISP to FOAD and get a new ISP that isn't blocklisted. Why would you want to keep spammers and spam-friendly ISPs in business? Welcome to 21st century Internet ecomnomics. Blocklists are meant to act as a virtual boycott of the spammers and spam-friendly ISPs.
Believe me when I say it, if comcast.net gets my IP range into a blocklist because a spammer's money is somehow more important to them than my connectivity, they can rightly go screw themselves. I won't hesitate to call them daily to bitch, all while arranging for an alternative host.
Why is it the RIAA is trying to hard to alienate it's customers? One would think that with sagging sales and rampant piracy, they'd get the message that maybe their product is *blatantly overpriced* and usually worthless in most interests.
Most of my CD purchases have been spurred by my hearing one song by the artist on the radio. I decided that I liked that song and went out and bought the CD. I've even bought CD's based on downloading MP3's and liking the music enough that it's created a purchase for the RIAA. However, in most instances, I've found that if it weren't for the one song, I'd have never bought the CD because the rest of the music packaged with it is CRAP!!
Another good reason *not* to buy their music is the current wave of teeny-bopper hiphop crap that's being pushed like it's the second coming of Jesus. One more Backstreet Boys hit and I think I'll go insane. It's a wonder the RIAA can sell anything at all when the crap they put out sucks all ass.
There's no reason to get upset or frustrated when looking for spammers. Rule 3 says they're stupid so they're usually rather easy to trace down, if you know what you're doing. Once you've taken the time to educate yourself on how to read email headers, trace through them to find the originating ISP, open relays/proxies that forwarded the email, and decode the spamvertised URL, rooting out any redirection services or encryption used to obfuscate the spammers actual website (read cash generator), it's like anything else and can become second nature. It only took me about six months to get a good handle on all of the above and then another year to refine it to a science. I'm currently administering my own Linux mail server. I'm also pulling mail out of two POP accounts, one of which gets the majority of my spam, the other which has never been published anywhere and hasn't received spam... YET. I'm using a combination of DNS-based blocklists on postfix, iptables and a procmail filter to keep my spamload down to about 1-2 messages a day.
The only thing I can say is use the above links and get familiar with the process. Read news.admin.net-abuse.email and ask questions of the inhabitants on how to fight spam. Make certain you stock up on Nomex underwear as it can be a pretty rough group to follow. A speed reading course may be helpful to keep up with the flow of articles.
Hope this help....
Rich -- Consumer Watchdog! Yes, we're rough on bogus businesses! And today, Consumer Watchdog reports on protecting you, the consumer, from being consumed by dangerous products and phony packaging. -- Firesign Theatre TINLC Unit #2309 Death to all spammer accounts.
How surprising is it that Greene was easily debunked? When we all know that mp3 trading is the best thing to happen to the music industry, this snivelling little weasel has the nerve to get all prosecutorial in a five minute rant during the Grammy award show. He may call it theft, I'd call it sampling. There are many CD's in my collection that if it hadn't been for the fact that I found mp3's to listen to, they wouldn't be in my collection. It's because of those mp3's and the ability to sample the music first that caused me to head for the store and purchase the album. The RIAA should be glad that we're swapping songs.
Now, here's a question I'd like to ask: If I have purchased all of Sarah McLachlan's albums (for examples sake) and if she were to release a "Best of" compilation, and I already own the CD's on which the songs that are part of that compiliation originally appeared, then go to USENET and download that "Best of" CD in mp3's, am I a thief? I've already paid for the rights to listen to the songs on the original albums. Hell, for all they know, I got the track list and created it myself based on burns from my original CD's.
The RIAA can go fuck itself, in my estimation, hopefully using a large, blunt instrument, such as a baseball bat or rubber pitchfork. I've never seen an industry try so hard to alienate it's customers.
I grew up in the '70's, and lived in Detroit, where local independent station WKBD-50 broadcast Looney Tunes like crazy in the afternoon following school, usually at least 2 hours worth. Here it is, 30 years later, and I'm still watching them and laughing.
They blame it on Asia due to the high number of open relays and unsecured (socks|http) proxies that spammers have found in that area. I personally have quite lengthy.procmailrc and iptables files that include huge chunks of China, Taiwan, Japan, Korea, the Netherlands, France, Costa Rica, Argentina *and* the US, because these areas are either too ignorant to run a mailserver properly (as evidenced by the huge number of ancient sendmail configs; I'd imagine they're having a terrible time grokkin' the sendmail docs).
Add to that the number of purely malicious individuals taking their spammy little affairs to servers outside the US to keep bulletproof status, and of course they're going to blame Asia!
He who does nothing to aid us is our enemy, or I think President Shrub said something like that.
All the time, wanna tell me when I can wank off. I guess if I were German, I couldn't come home for lunch and shake hands with Mr. Happy anymore. I suppose I'd have to do a Pee-Wee and find an x-rated theatre. Are there any good German x-rated theatres? Or are they all outlawed because of the children?
I don't get it.. what's so difficult in deleting a few messages that you might not want to read ?
Ever done the math related to spam email? Let's say that 1% of all businesses connected to the Internet == 340,000. Let's say that all 340,000 decides to start using unsolicited email as an advertising medium and send one message a week. I don't know about you, but spending the time necessary to hit delete on 340,000 emails in one week isn't something I relish, especially if I decided to take a vacation and can't see my inbox for two weeks or better.
It might be five spam emails today. I assure you, if left alone, the glut of spam will cause email to become useless as a communication tool.
MonsterHut (aka Beaverhome) has been a well-known spamhaus for at least a couple of years. For further information regarding this rotten outfit, take a look at this link on The Spamhaus Project's ROKSO database. Lots of good history there. Or simply search DejaGoogle on Beaverhome or Monsterhut.
of FUD and an attempt to sell an audit by the idiots in cahoots with them, Zones, or whatever/whoever they are. Infect the business owner's mind with the idea that they could be out of compliance with licensing and could be audited and sued out of existence and soon enough, they go ahead and have Zones audit them to take their mind off it.
Personally, I could care less. It's not like the BSA, FBI and US Marshalls are going to storm in and start rifling through anything without a search warrant.
If you don't like what it does or the licensing included with the software, don't friggin' buy it! I no longer buy Microsoft products for exactly that reason.
Microsoft continues to shoot itself in the foot by putting all these limits on use of their products with other software licensed under the GPL. I just sit back and laugh, watching their marketshare slowly erode as they continue to harangue about the evils of open source. It makes for a truly stress-free life.
Try surfing *with* your kid. Try being obtrusive. Try being a parent or hire a babysitter to do it for you, preferrably a human with a good set of values. Maybe ask Grandma to come over and watch her.
Or filter her content against the Dirty 7: shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker and tits. That should do it, huh?
Rich
Ya know, it's all I hear any more, Microsoft is evil, Linux is the shining sword that will smite the evil wizard known as Gil Bates, etc, etc, ad infinitum. But who says we can't just nicely co-exist? All the Linux distro makers have to do is just push their product, same as they ever have, spend a tad more on marketing to the masses, let Microsoft slowly make itself look ultimately more and more silly as they increase the onslaught of Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt.
It may take years but like David and Goliath, the Giant's days *are* numbered.
Rich
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Really, man. If he doesn't want the stuff, he should *JUST OPT OUT*. That's right, unsubscribe. In this case, pick up the phone or write a letter to each magazine publisher and marketing company and request they remove him from their lists. Really, it's very simple.
Now, how many offers do you think he's receiving a day? If it's anything like what my parents get after living in the same place for the last 12 years, with Mom shopping in every mail order catalog she can find, and trust me, I've had to go pick up their mail during their vacations--mail delivery at their house can be a stack a foot high. How it fits in the mailbox is an entirely different question.
I hope he's inundated. I hope he gets a sense of what we all feel when we see his shit. Oh, wait, he says he wants to sue antispammers for "harrassing" him. I see he's got that sense now.
The anti-spam movement has been saying this since 1997. It's about time the world woke up and realized how badly the spammers have trashed the effectiveness of email. I know I block using several DNSbl's, a huge access.db with spamassassin picking up the slack that the others miss. I have had to whitelist people whose email gets caught in the other traps.
To me, I dream of the day we can go back to simply leaving email unfiltered and where we receive only that mail we would normally expect, not drivel from marketoons who think that email is the next best thing to handbills posted on my front door. I'm tired of having to update my access.db. I'm tired of keeping up all the diligence, watching logs to see what legitimate mail might have bounced.
Thank you, you rotten, spamming assholes and all the idiots that ever bought anything advertised in spam email.
Rich
Verio earned this, though. If they harbor this number of spammers, they can become like AGIS: Bankrupt and out of business. They steal from every ISP on the planet. My inbox is not their advertising space.
When spammers pay me for the privelege of advertising in my box, then we'll talk business.
Rich
Instead of paying $27 for my four DVD set of Lord of the Rings, I might have only paid $17 if this technology were available today?
Cool.
They're going to break it, plain and simple. A nice, neat, simple alogrithm will be bunged up with neat little bells and whistles and useless cruft.
Thanks, I'll pass.
We're too friggin' dull to realize how badly we're fucking this planet already. I don't expect there will be some massive wakeup call in the next century.
Rich
The website that has been following this issue from the start, http://t3-v-mcnicol.ilaw.com.au, has finally published the decision in pdf format (see it here). On pages 6 & 7, Deputy Registrar Hewitt, in paragraphs 15 & 16, says the following:
"15 Counsel for the plaintiff suggests that it would be unfair to end this action at this stage without giving the plaintiff the opportunity to further explore this case using the interlocutory processes now available to it in these proceedings.
16 I do not agree. The plaintiff has commenced an action which appears to me to be speculative and based on propositions which it knew to be incorrect (see my earlier discussion regarding unfounded). If not an abuse, the action is akin to one."
In other words, the Deputy Registrar feels that T3 and Mansfield's bringing this suit forward was as close to abuse as they could get without the action being prosecuted as being frivolous and without just cause! What a maroon!
I read NANAE regularly; this whole T3 Direct saga has been nothing but the highest entertainment to me. It's even better than watching circus clowns!
Rich
These are some very revealing links regarding who Tommy Brock *really* is:
t es .htm
e nc efile=1368
http://www.toledocybercafe.com/ivtg/arrest-upda
http://www.spamhaus.org/rokso/search.lasso?evid
http://www.angelfire.com/rant/et/whois.htm
http://www.ste-marie.net/brock.html
Have fun... *8}
You may want to tell ^Sarge^ that he should secure the open http proxy running on port 8080. I'm certain that his machine is undoubtedly routing plenty of spam for various and sundry assholes around the 'net.
*Tsk*
Rich
First, one can bitch at the ISP being blocklisted--daily if possible--about the situation. The blocklisting would not be in effect if the blocklisted ISP were quick about nuking spammers from their network. If one were to use google to look through news.admin.net-abuse.sightings, one would find hundreds, if not thousands, of complaints regarding spammers for blocklisted ISPs over weeks/months of time. Most ISPs won't hesitate to nuke a spammer from their network in less than a weeks time given a sufficient number of believable complaints. Why is it that some ISPs seem not to give a shit about hosting spammers? Is it because of the money?? *smirk*
A collaterally damaged network can also arrange for email connectivity via a third party, non-blocklisted provider, then deduct the expense from the bill for the blocklisted provider. One might also ask that the ISP protecting their networks with blocklists whitelist one's mail server IPs.
However, since any company lending financial support to any spam-friendly ISP by paying them money for partial connectivity is in essence part of the spam problem, the best idea is for a collaterally-damaged network tell the blocklisted ISP to FOAD and get a new ISP that isn't blocklisted. Why would you want to keep spammers and spam-friendly ISPs in business? Welcome to 21st century Internet ecomnomics. Blocklists are meant to act as a virtual boycott of the spammers and spam-friendly ISPs.
Believe me when I say it, if comcast.net gets my IP range into a blocklist because a spammer's money is somehow more important to them than my connectivity, they can rightly go screw themselves. I won't hesitate to call them daily to bitch, all while arranging for an alternative host.
I hope they're successful. It could be the deciding case on whether or not our fair use rights will be upheld.
I said it before and I'll say it again here:
Why is it the RIAA is trying to hard to alienate it's customers? One would think that with sagging sales and rampant piracy, they'd get the message that maybe their product is *blatantly overpriced* and usually worthless in most interests.
Most of my CD purchases have been spurred by my hearing one song by the artist on the radio. I decided that I liked that song and went out and bought the CD. I've even bought CD's based on downloading MP3's and liking the music enough that it's created a purchase for the RIAA. However, in most instances, I've found that if it weren't for the one song, I'd have never bought the CD because the rest of the music packaged with it is CRAP!!
Another good reason *not* to buy their music is the current wave of teeny-bopper hiphop crap that's being pushed like it's the second coming of Jesus. One more Backstreet Boys hit and I think I'll go insane. It's a wonder the RIAA can sell anything at all when the crap they put out sucks all ass.
For you newbie spam fighters out there, here a few links:
g /rokso/index.lasso/ /www.spamfaq.net/spamfighting.shtml
http://www.samspade.org
http://www.spamhaus.or
http://www.spamcop.net
http:
There's no reason to get upset or frustrated when looking for spammers. Rule 3 says they're stupid so they're usually rather easy to trace down, if you know what you're doing. Once you've taken the time to educate yourself on how to read email headers, trace through them to find the originating ISP, open relays/proxies that forwarded the email, and decode the spamvertised URL, rooting out any redirection services or encryption used to obfuscate the spammers actual website (read cash generator), it's like anything else and can become second nature. It only took me about six months to get a good handle on all of the above and then another year to refine it to a science. I'm currently administering my own Linux mail server. I'm also pulling mail out of two POP accounts, one of which gets the majority of my spam, the other which has never been published anywhere and hasn't received spam... YET. I'm using a combination of DNS-based blocklists on postfix, iptables and a procmail filter to keep my spamload down to about 1-2 messages a day.
The only thing I can say is use the above links and get familiar with the process. Read news.admin.net-abuse.email and ask questions of the inhabitants on how to fight spam. Make certain you stock up on Nomex underwear as it can be a pretty rough group to follow. A speed reading course may be helpful to keep up with the flow of articles.
Hope this help....
Rich
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Consumer Watchdog! Yes, we're rough on bogus businesses! And today,
Consumer Watchdog reports on protecting you, the consumer, from being
consumed by dangerous products and phony packaging. -- Firesign Theatre
TINLC Unit #2309 Death to all spammer accounts.
How surprising is it that Greene was easily debunked? When we all know that mp3 trading is the best thing to happen to the music industry, this snivelling little weasel has the nerve to get all prosecutorial in a five minute rant during the Grammy award show. He may call it theft, I'd call it sampling. There are many CD's in my collection that if it hadn't been for the fact that I found mp3's to listen to, they wouldn't be in my collection. It's because of those mp3's and the ability to sample the music first that caused me to head for the store and purchase the album. The RIAA should be glad that we're swapping songs.
Now, here's a question I'd like to ask: If I have purchased all of Sarah McLachlan's albums (for examples sake) and if she were to release a "Best of" compilation, and I already own the CD's on which the songs that are part of that compiliation originally appeared, then go to USENET and download that "Best of" CD in mp3's, am I a thief? I've already paid for the rights to listen to the songs on the original albums. Hell, for all they know, I got the track list and created it myself based on burns from my original CD's.
The RIAA can go fuck itself, in my estimation, hopefully using a large, blunt instrument, such as a baseball bat or rubber pitchfork. I've never seen an industry try so hard to alienate it's customers.
I grew up in the '70's, and lived in Detroit, where local independent station WKBD-50 broadcast Looney Tunes like crazy in the afternoon following school, usually at least 2 hours worth. Here it is, 30 years later, and I'm still watching them and laughing.
R.I.P. you wascally wabbit... huh-huh-huh huh...
howzabout sendmail -bd?
They blame it on Asia due to the high number of open relays and unsecured (socks|http) proxies that spammers have found in that area. I personally have quite lengthy .procmailrc and iptables files that include huge chunks of China, Taiwan, Japan, Korea, the Netherlands, France, Costa Rica, Argentina *and* the US, because these areas are either too ignorant to run a mailserver properly (as evidenced by the huge number of ancient sendmail configs; I'd imagine they're having a terrible time grokkin' the sendmail docs).
Add to that the number of purely malicious individuals taking their spammy little affairs to servers outside the US to keep bulletproof status, and of course they're going to blame Asia!
He who does nothing to aid us is our enemy, or I think President Shrub said something like that.
All the time, wanna tell me when I can wank off. I guess if I were German, I couldn't come home for lunch and shake hands with Mr. Happy anymore. I suppose I'd have to do a Pee-Wee and find an x-rated theatre. Are there any good German x-rated theatres? Or are they all outlawed because of the children?
It might be five spam emails today. I assure you, if left alone, the glut of spam will cause email to become useless as a communication tool.
Rich
MonsterHut (aka Beaverhome) has been a well-known spamhaus for at least a couple of years. For further information regarding this rotten outfit, take a look at this link on The Spamhaus Project's ROKSO database. Lots of good history there. Or simply search DejaGoogle on Beaverhome or Monsterhut.
Rich
of FUD and an attempt to sell an audit by the idiots in cahoots with them, Zones, or whatever/whoever they are. Infect the business owner's mind with the idea that they could be out of compliance with licensing and could be audited and sued out of existence and soon enough, they go ahead and have Zones audit them to take their mind off it.
Personally, I could care less. It's not like the BSA, FBI and US Marshalls are going to storm in and start rifling through anything without a search warrant.
If you don't like what it does or the licensing included with the software, don't friggin' buy it! I no longer buy Microsoft products for exactly that reason.
Microsoft continues to shoot itself in the foot by putting all these limits on use of their products with other software licensed under the GPL. I just sit back and laugh, watching their marketshare slowly erode as they continue to harangue about the evils of open source. It makes for a truly stress-free life.
Fuck me to tears. I wish I had moderator points to mod this up to Funny +3. Thanks for the laugh. Rich
Try surfing *with* your kid. Try being obtrusive. Try being a parent or hire a babysitter to do it for you, preferrably a human with a good set of values. Maybe ask Grandma to come over and watch her. Or filter her content against the Dirty 7: shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker and tits. That should do it, huh? Rich
Ya know, it's all I hear any more, Microsoft is evil, Linux is the shining sword that will smite the evil wizard known as Gil Bates, etc, etc, ad infinitum. But who says we can't just nicely co-exist? All the Linux distro makers have to do is just push their product, same as they ever have, spend a tad more on marketing to the masses, let Microsoft slowly make itself look ultimately more and more silly as they increase the onslaught of Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. It may take years but like David and Goliath, the Giant's days *are* numbered. Rich