Remember that was Patrick's whole argument? The only reason he went to 7 in the first place was that RedHat had a higher version number and people were asking him questions like "When will you catch up to RedHat?" Since there are enough people out there that don't get that different products with different version numbers don't compare, mainly because they're *DIFFERENT PRODUCTS*...
See, I know why he sopke the way he did in the deposition! Since this was planned beforehand, that "bug" he's got? Remember all the worms and trojans that you've been hearing entirely too much about recently? Jack Valenti's brain was under a DoS attack at the time of his deposition, limiting his resources and rendering him unable to answer the questions!
I realize I'm begging to be flamed, but Valenti did the right thing.
Look at it this way - Although he may be bullheaded about the whole issue here, he's doing better than a lot of other people out there. How many times have you (Admit it, you know you have!) gotten terribly frustrated working with some total idiot that refuses to admit that they didn't know something? Valenti does have some sort of grasp on the issues here, even if he's as technologically savvy as your average fireplug, but he's not claiming to have a full understanding of all of the issues involved. Not by a long shot. Think how much more difficult the fight would be if he kept saying "It does this!" and was consistently wrong. I'd rather have someone in this fight willing to admit they don't understand everything than a blowhard that says "If it doesn't work the way I think it does, then it's wrong." That sort of mentality is murder to deal with.
Of course, maybe I'm just tired of loud idiots in general.
Just think about it - with this stunning new development of the 3d system for a puzzle game like Myst, maybe eventually they'll make some kind of Multiuser game out of it. Can't you just picture it? Running around - in three dimensions mind you - in a place with more than just you. You could... I dunno... Attack them! Talk about a cool concept, eh?
I bought a Mindstorms Invention set recently... I wanna juice up the motors, and build myself a big bad-ass robot butler. Or a pool skimmer! I'm going to combine RCX and my X10 stuff to make an intelligent house with automated servants!
Is it just me, or would that make life like one big Tex Avery cartoon?
Anyways, I just wanna finish the big Woodstock and Snoopy I started on a few years ago - I didn't have enough yellow or white...
RDF Haiku? segmentation fault: core dumped damn you, Borland C
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Isn't that just a scaled-down version of what everyone using Napster is doing though?
Yeah, I readily concede that's what it is. What I was trying to do was show that whatever your reasons are for fighting the fight, though, there are other ways to do it. Besides, the whole reason they're bothering to fight it this much is BECAUSE of the scale of it. Y'know, one of those lose the battle, win the war situations.
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Now back the damn train up a minute here.
Everyone here so far has mentioned that "There's no way to stop the internet from sharing files peer to peer or pirating music so why don't the bad guys give up?"
Look at the other side: "There's no way they can win every lawsuit and stop our every action. Maybe they'll realize that, right or wrong, pirating music is illegal!"
I'm not claiming innocence in the least, but for crying out loud, people, at least think about both sides of the issue here! True, the RIAA seems to have a poor understanding of the technicals of the Napster system. But on the same note, how many "IANAL, but..." comments do you see here? As for the backlash thing, if you're going to raise a protest over this, make sure you understand why. If it's because you like exposure to music, try MP3.com. If it's because of the price of CD's, split cost between 5 people and make copies. Or boycott CD's. If it's because the RIAA doesn't have a clear grasp of the technology issues, get yourself a clear grasp of the LEGAL issues and challenge it!
As the chips get smaller and smaller, and the threat of quantum effects appear and all, it seems like an obvious question of priority (which this article demonstrates) - Make something new and make it work, or make something work and then move on? Notice the "several orders of magnitude" in there - it looks like the push is to develop the technology, then worry about it's feasibility. But don't pay too much attention to me - I just want the matchbook PC.
Y'know what I think would be nifty? With the recent release of cell-phone-game-programming-toolkits and Nokia's R&D on the subject...
A pseudo-real Multi-user RPG thing - only it takes place in the real world! Using GPS, when you have your phone, you become your character, and you can meet and interact with REAL PEOPLE!
Wait a minute. That already happened. "Mazes and Monsters", if I remember correctly.
Personally, I'm looking forward to a production version of this soon. I'm a big fan of 3d gaming in general, and having written a few, I can think of nothing I'd like better than a tunnel-race type game where you're practically immersed... I wear glasses (contacts at the moment actually, but you get the point) so I find it easier not to PUT anything on my eyes. While I appreciate the ease and availability of head-mount systems and all, I personally (and I'm fairly certain others) prefer having a physical monitor in place on my desktop.
A lot of the same stuff (brand wars) is going on in junior high and high schools with Pepsi and Coke - Not just early advertising, but downright force of product in order to get donations. Is it just me, or is brand-consciousness going WAAAAY overboard here? It's not like Intel was totally in the wrong in not wanting competitor products in the faces of the participants, but this kind of in-your-face no-holds-barred product endorsement smells almost like extortion to me.
While many of the comments are just off-color expressions of Linus's feelings at the time, some of them are at least a *BIT* witty. As to why anyone would want to preserve it - if not for the humor value, at least for a little insight into the mind of the programmer. Maybe some of the comments, strange as they were, provide some insight as to why or how, and the consequences thereof. Even the not-at-all funny ones provide a nice historical record of the intent of much of the code.
Use of understatement to emphasize sarcasm. By the by, I'd also like to apologize for my offensive grammar - English is my first language, and I'm still getting accustomed to it.::grins sheepishly::
Don't give them any ideas... No, seriously, that's probably one of the best ideas for a way to stop piracy - to have to e-sign the EULA in order for the software to work. (I know, I know, it'll be cracked soon enough...)
I'll take your comment in the sense I assume you meant it (much like mine, a drastic understatement)... It's just funny that the first one that would take the easy, negotiable way out of the issue happens to be the one that *FINALLY* realized "Hey, we're already trying to make money from this - why are we trying to stop it too?"
If I'm not mistaken, Warner Bros. has egregarious business ties with (of all entities) AOL, right? I feel bad badmouthing my own ISP, but it seems like the reason this "settlement" was reached (and how it might end up) is with AOL's interest in taking over this type of thing. I have to say I applaud AOL for their good look at commercial applications of MP3 and all (what with the Winamp buy), but it seems a teeny bit fishy to me nonetheless...
Like someone mentioned in the article about the new cell-phone problem, it seems like there's been a HUGE proliferation recently of different types of infections for computers. Perhaps it's the damned Y2K bug, just a little late... Seriously, though, this all has to make one think about security. Unless one is broadcasting the news. Then, it tends to make one ask questions like, "What's slashdot?" and "How did you get your nickname?"
For all you "Remember the HAM rules" guys, keep in mind that it won't be particularly difficult to adapt this to other wireless technologies and such. CB would be just downright rude, but there's always other frequencies.
But unfortunately, it's still not particularly wacky. Seriously, though, this could be a big help for the robotics field - Wheels just don't cut it everywhere, like the article points out.
Wacky Wall Walker Climbing on your robot legs Down the fridge's door
Just as much as it's ridiculous for a 500 MhZ computer to have a 56K modem, not a T3. Or for a certain Sega console to run Windows CE. Seriously, though, it's almost always proven to be an unsuccessful idea to attempt late after release to provide connectivity for console systems, luggable or not. Remember the X-Band modem for Super Nintendo? Didn't think so. Maybe even the Gamelink for Atari 2600? The Original Online Gaming Service? I seem to be the only on that wasted money on those things... Sony's in for a rude awakening, since most software isn't already written to use it. Established customer base does not always equal continuing support for new ideas.
With all the weather tracking going on out in space, NASA knows when to launch or not launch a rocket. When are they going to invest in a weather system for Earth to let me know when I should take an unmbrella or not?
Again, pardon me for making a bit of an overstatement, but isn't the right to *SAY* bad things a lot of the driving force behind the issue here? Like Apogee's potential to block negative reviews, it's wrong to decline someone an opinion. And if they can justify it even a bit with some evidence (graphics / sounds / etc.) then let them!
I can understand complaining about the use of copyrighted images or sounds, etc., but think about it a little bit - as of recently, the amount of lawsuits raised against personal, non-profit websites (or other actions taken against them) has skyrocketed. What possible BENEFIT could come from spending your time and money to stop a free website from spreading your glory and bringing your name to the forefront of surfer's minds, without charging a dime for advertising?
Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but if someone were to tell other people what a nice guy I was, I wouldn't beat the hell out of him for talking about me without my express permission.
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Remember that was Patrick's whole argument? The only reason he went to 7 in the first place was that RedHat had a higher version number and people were asking him questions like "When will you catch up to RedHat?" Since there are enough people out there that don't get that different products with different version numbers don't compare, mainly because they're *DIFFERENT PRODUCTS*...
I guess that if the architecture has become obsolete, it's time to get rid of my CBM 8086 system. Back in the days of DR-DOS, home-slice!
See, I know why he sopke the way he did in the deposition!
Since this was planned beforehand, that "bug" he's got? Remember all the worms and trojans that you've been hearing entirely too much about recently?
Jack Valenti's brain was under a DoS attack at the time of his deposition, limiting his resources and rendering him unable to answer the questions!
I realize I'm begging to be flamed, but Valenti did the right thing.
Look at it this way - Although he may be bullheaded about the whole issue here, he's doing better than a lot of other people out there. How many times have you (Admit it, you know you have!) gotten terribly frustrated working with some total idiot that refuses to admit that they didn't know something? Valenti does have some sort of grasp on the issues here, even if he's as technologically savvy as your average fireplug, but he's not claiming to have a full understanding of all of the issues involved. Not by a long shot. Think how much more difficult the fight would be if he kept saying "It does this!" and was consistently wrong. I'd rather have someone in this fight willing to admit they don't understand everything than a blowhard that says "If it doesn't work the way I think it does, then it's wrong." That sort of mentality is murder to deal with.
Of course, maybe I'm just tired of loud idiots in general.
Just think about it - with this stunning new development of the 3d system for a puzzle game like Myst, maybe eventually they'll make some kind of Multiuser game out of it.
Can't you just picture it? Running around - in three dimensions mind you - in a place with more than just you. You could... I dunno... Attack them! Talk about a cool concept, eh?
I bought a Mindstorms Invention set recently... I wanna juice up the motors, and build myself a big bad-ass robot butler. Or a pool skimmer! I'm going to combine RCX and my X10 stuff to make an intelligent house with automated servants!
Is it just me, or would that make life like one big Tex Avery cartoon?
Anyways, I just wanna finish the big Woodstock and Snoopy I started on a few years ago - I didn't have enough yellow or white...
RDF Haiku?
segmentation fault: core dumped
damn you, Borland C
Isn't that just a scaled-down version of what everyone using Napster is doing though?
Yeah, I readily concede that's what it is. What I was trying to do was show that whatever your reasons are for fighting the fight, though, there are other ways to do it. Besides, the whole reason they're bothering to fight it this much is BECAUSE of the scale of it. Y'know, one of those lose the battle, win the war situations.
Now back the damn train up a minute here.
Everyone here so far has mentioned that "There's no way to stop the internet from sharing files peer to peer or pirating music so why don't the bad guys give up?"
Look at the other side: "There's no way they can win every lawsuit and stop our every action. Maybe they'll realize that, right or wrong, pirating music is illegal!"
I'm not claiming innocence in the least, but for crying out loud, people, at least think about both sides of the issue here!
True, the RIAA seems to have a poor understanding of the technicals of the Napster system. But on the same note, how many "IANAL, but..." comments do you see here?
As for the backlash thing, if you're going to raise a protest over this, make sure you understand why. If it's because you like exposure to music, try MP3.com. If it's because of the price of CD's, split cost between 5 people and make copies. Or boycott CD's. If it's because the RIAA doesn't have a clear grasp of the technology issues, get yourself a clear grasp of the LEGAL issues and challenge it!
Okay. I'm done screaming now. Don't hurt me.
As the chips get smaller and smaller, and the threat of quantum effects appear and all, it seems like an obvious question of priority (which this article demonstrates) - Make something new and make it work, or make something work and then move on?
Notice the "several orders of magnitude" in there - it looks like the push is to develop the technology, then worry about it's feasibility.
But don't pay too much attention to me - I just want the matchbook PC.
Y'know what I think would be nifty? With the recent release of cell-phone-game-programming-toolkits and Nokia's R&D on the subject...
A pseudo-real Multi-user RPG thing - only it takes place in the real world! Using GPS, when you have your phone, you become your character, and you can meet and interact with REAL PEOPLE!
Wait a minute. That already happened. "Mazes and Monsters", if I remember correctly.
Personally, I'm looking forward to a production version of this soon. I'm a big fan of 3d gaming in general, and having written a few, I can think of nothing I'd like better than a tunnel-race type game where you're practically immersed...
I wear glasses (contacts at the moment actually, but you get the point) so I find it easier not to PUT anything on my eyes. While I appreciate the ease and availability of head-mount systems and all, I personally (and I'm fairly certain others) prefer having a physical monitor in place on my desktop.
A lot of the same stuff (brand wars) is going on in junior high and high schools with Pepsi and Coke - Not just early advertising, but downright force of product in order to get donations. Is it just me, or is brand-consciousness going WAAAAY overboard here?
It's not like Intel was totally in the wrong in not wanting competitor products in the faces of the participants, but this kind of in-your-face no-holds-barred product endorsement smells almost like extortion to me.
While many of the comments are just off-color expressions of Linus's feelings at the time, some of them are at least a *BIT* witty. As to why anyone would want to preserve it - if not for the humor value, at least for a little insight into the mind of the programmer. Maybe some of the comments, strange as they were, provide some insight as to why or how, and the consequences thereof. Even the not-at-all funny ones provide a nice historical record of the intent of much of the code.
Use of understatement to emphasize sarcasm. By the by, I'd also like to apologize for my offensive grammar - English is my first language, and I'm still getting accustomed to it. ::grins sheepishly::
Don't give them any ideas... No, seriously, that's probably one of the best ideas for a way to stop piracy - to have to e-sign the EULA in order for the software to work. (I know, I know, it'll be cracked soon enough...)
I'll take your comment in the sense I assume you meant it (much like mine, a drastic understatement)... It's just funny that the first one that would take the easy, negotiable way out of the issue happens to be the one that *FINALLY* realized "Hey, we're already trying to make money from this - why are we trying to stop it too?"
If I'm not mistaken, Warner Bros. has egregarious business ties with (of all entities) AOL, right? I feel bad badmouthing my own ISP, but it seems like the reason this "settlement" was reached (and how it might end up) is with AOL's interest in taking over this type of thing. I have to say I applaud AOL for their good look at commercial applications of MP3 and all (what with the Winamp buy), but it seems a teeny bit fishy to me nonetheless...
Like someone mentioned in the article about the new cell-phone problem, it seems like there's been a HUGE proliferation recently of different types of infections for computers. Perhaps it's the damned Y2K bug, just a little late...
Seriously, though, this all has to make one think about security. Unless one is broadcasting the news. Then, it tends to make one ask questions like, "What's slashdot?" and "How did you get your nickname?"
For all you "Remember the HAM rules" guys, keep in mind that it won't be particularly difficult to adapt this to other wireless technologies and such. CB would be just downright rude, but there's always other frequencies.
But unfortunately, it's still not particularly wacky. Seriously, though, this could be a big help for the robotics field - Wheels just don't cut it everywhere, like the article points out.
Wacky Wall Walker
Climbing on your robot legs
Down the fridge's door
Just as much as it's ridiculous for a 500 MhZ computer to have a 56K modem, not a T3. Or for a certain Sega console to run Windows CE. Seriously, though, it's almost always proven to be an unsuccessful idea to attempt late after release to provide connectivity for console systems, luggable or not. Remember the X-Band modem for Super Nintendo? Didn't think so. Maybe even the Gamelink for Atari 2600? The Original Online Gaming Service? I seem to be the only on that wasted money on those things... Sony's in for a rude awakening, since most software isn't already written to use it. Established customer base does not always equal continuing support for new ideas.
With all the weather tracking going on out in space, NASA knows when to launch or not launch a rocket. When are they going to invest in a weather system for Earth to let me know when I should take an unmbrella or not?
Again, pardon me for making a bit of an overstatement, but isn't the right to *SAY* bad things a lot of the driving force behind the issue here? Like Apogee's potential to block negative reviews, it's wrong to decline someone an opinion. And if they can justify it even a bit with some evidence (graphics / sounds / etc.) then let them!
I can understand complaining about the use of copyrighted images or sounds, etc., but think about it a little bit - as of recently, the amount of lawsuits raised against personal, non-profit websites (or other actions taken against them) has skyrocketed. What possible BENEFIT could come from spending your time and money to stop a free website from spreading your glory and bringing your name to the forefront of surfer's minds, without charging a dime for advertising?
Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but if someone were to tell other people what a nice guy I was, I wouldn't beat the hell out of him for talking about me without my express permission.