It would be nice if he, and the NETBSD and FreeBSD could - unfork into a single coherent BSD system instead of 3 splintered ones (with different focus's)..
So you're telling me the guy doesn't know how to configure Windows properly...
From the comments that have been directed towards MS in the insert your OS of choice here versus Windows threads, I'd hazard a guess that most people who join in the bashing don't have a clue how to configure Windows!
IBM is already funding a port of FreeBSD to the RS/6000 platform.
Greg Lehey, a FreeBSD core team member, is working for IBM doing the port. See here [http://www.lemis.com/grog/] for details. Look under "What I'm doing" for more info.
I had heard that AIX 5L was in fact a flavor of Linux
You heard wrong.
There'd be no reason to by RS/6000's
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If IBM killed off AIX, by far the most stable Unix'like OS around, there'd be absolutely no reason to continue developing, making and selling RS/6000's... people might just as well use PCs.
While a choice of operating systems is a good thing (did you know that IBM are paying for a FreeBSD port for the RS/6000!) 99% of companies are buying a hardware & software package (RS/6000 + AIX). Note: I said companies... quite different buying habits from Joe Average User buying a home machine.
Same goes for AS/400's, without OS/400 it's nothing. Again, most people are buying an integrated server package.
This 'my supported arcthitecture list is bigger than yours' argument that keeps happening is more a pointer to the size of a certain part of a zealot's anatomy rather than a valid argument.
Mr IBM, if you're stupid enough to drop AIX and OS/400 you might as well close up your hardware division.
The difference between casinos and retail stores and doubleclick is huge.
At casinos and retail stores you optin to the scheme by filling in a form and giving people the right to collect your data. Without filling in this form and getting a little plastic card there is no way (discounting doing analysis on photos of people while they gamble!) to track you between the gaming room, the pokies and the restaurant, let alone across multiple sites and on different days.
Doubleclick, on the other hand, collected your data without your knowledge.
You must be so insecure about the abilities and future of the operating system that you use if you feel that you must attack BSD rather than priase your OS of choice.
At the same time, Linux Netfilter is growing. While it's not as mature as IPFilter, it's definitely featureful, and going in the right direction.
and then you go on to say
So maybe the BSD folks can work with the Netfilter dudes instead of reinventing the wheel.
Did you mean to say that the Linux people (who are the one currently reinventing the wheel) should be supporting the BSD people as the BSD people have the more featureful and mature product?
But I also didn't get the impression that Linux was their primary focus, it is just a part in an overall strategy to them to ensure they have all their bases covered.
I get the feeling that they are only supporting open source as a way to sell other products that are totally non open source related and that those products only get pushed for Linux once the possibility of selling an NT or AIX solution to is almost dead.
I don't believe they truely want to push Linux on to consumers, instead they want to have a handhold on Linux incase it takes off and also make it appear to the Linux community that they are Linux friendly and not a threat, which is true for now.
Look at any IBM product. There may be a Linux version but don't expect it to have all the bells and whistles of the NT or AIX versions.
I think they are only doing the Linux thing to, as you said, cover their bases in case it actually gains a critical mass. For a company who keeps telling us how much money they are spending on Linux there's not much to show for it... apart from a couple of graffitted foot paths!
That said, anyone who even contemplates running production DB2 or Content Manager systems on Linux (or NT for that matter) is a moron.
I've never used FreeBSD or any other BSD, primarily because I prefer the viral GPL.
As an end user why is the licence important? Both the GPL and BSD licence give you, the end user, the same rights to use the software.
If you were modifying or enhancing the software then the licence is of concern... but seeing as less than 1% of people who use the BSDs or Linux would change and distribute code this point is moot.
Although Linux is a bit more stable than any of the BSD variants (or at least it is on my boxen)
That comment made me cough my coffee all over my keyboard and screen.
If you are going to make a comment like that you need to quantify it by telling people a) what versions of software you were using, and b) what hardware you tried to install it on.
In any comparison of any operating system (*NIX, Microsoft etc) we have to make sure that
1) the hardware you are trying to install on is on the hardware compatability list, and 2) you install the different software on exactly the same hardware in each case.
If conditions (1) and (2) aren't met then the experiment has no value.
Slashdot Mirror
Just like all the Linux distros should?
I use
- relays.ordb.org
- or.orbl.org
- inputs.orbz.org
- outputs.orbz.org
- spews.relays.osirusoft.com
to keep my inbox clean.Winning one battle doesn't win the war!
From the comments that have been directed towards MS in the insert your OS of choice here versus Windows threads, I'd hazard a guess that most people who join in the bashing don't have a clue how to configure Windows!
That's nothing!
I was driving down the street the other day and turned into a driveway!
Double ouch.
Greg Lehey, a FreeBSD core team member, is working for IBM doing the port. See here [http://www.lemis.com/grog/] for details. Look under "What I'm doing" for more info.
You heard wrong.
While a choice of operating systems is a good thing (did you know that IBM are paying for a FreeBSD port for the RS/6000!) 99% of companies are buying a hardware & software package (RS/6000 + AIX). Note: I said companies... quite different buying habits from Joe Average User buying a home machine.
Same goes for AS/400's, without OS/400 it's nothing. Again, most people are buying an integrated server package.
This 'my supported arcthitecture list is bigger than yours' argument that keeps happening is more a pointer to the size of a certain part of a zealot's anatomy rather than a valid argument.
Mr IBM, if you're stupid enough to drop AIX and OS/400 you might as well close up your hardware division.
Hey! Leave Australia out of this ;-)
The difference between casinos and retail stores and doubleclick is huge.
At casinos and retail stores you optin to the scheme by filling in a form and giving people the right to collect your data. Without filling in this form and getting a little plastic card there is no way (discounting doing analysis on photos of people while they gamble!) to track you between the gaming room, the pokies and the restaurant, let alone across multiple sites and on different days.
Doubleclick, on the other hand, collected your data without your knowledge.
Yes, Telstra
I feel sorry for you.
At the same time, Linux Netfilter is growing. While it's not as mature as IPFilter, it's definitely featureful, and going in the right direction.
and then you go on to say
So maybe the BSD folks can work with the Netfilter dudes instead of reinventing the wheel.
Did you mean to say that the Linux people (who are the one currently reinventing the wheel) should be supporting the BSD people as the BSD people have the more featureful and mature product?
Spoil sport...
And more crap TV ads!
I get the feeling that they are only supporting open source as a way to sell other products that are totally non open source related and that those products only get pushed for Linux once the possibility of selling an NT or AIX solution to is almost dead.
I don't believe they truely want to push Linux on to consumers, instead they want to have a handhold on Linux incase it takes off and also make it appear to the Linux community that they are Linux friendly and not a threat, which is true for now.
Look at any IBM product. There may be a Linux version but don't expect it to have all the bells and whistles of the NT or AIX versions.
I think they are only doing the Linux thing to, as you said, cover their bases in case it actually gains a critical mass. For a company who keeps telling us how much money they are spending on Linux there's not much to show for it... apart from a couple of graffitted foot paths!
That said, anyone who even contemplates running production DB2 or Content Manager systems on Linux (or NT for that matter) is a moron.
EIP (Enterprise Information Portal) is a definite possibility if you need to search over multiple content stores.
Downside: price...
I wonder how many one-eyed Linux zealots will take heed of your comment?
My prediction: zero
Why are you restricting people to using GPL'ed software??? That would be no X windows, no Apache...
Gotta give the government something to do before they get impeached ;-)
Take a look at number of Linux companies that aren't making money.
Get us some hard facts to back up your FUD troll girl.
Also, why not post under your real user profile... that's right, you're a clueless coward.
I've done dozens of installs and haven't hit the problems you describe.
Did you notify the admins of the mirrors that have problems so they can fix things?
I bet if I were doing a Linux install from a site that was currently mirroring the software from their upstream I'd end up with problems also!
As an end user why is the licence important? Both the GPL and BSD licence give you, the end user, the same rights to use the software.
If you were modifying or enhancing the software then the licence is of concern... but seeing as less than 1% of people who use the BSDs or Linux would change and distribute code this point is moot.
Maybe, yes and yes.
That comment made me cough my coffee all over my keyboard and screen.
If you are going to make a comment like that you need to quantify it by telling people a) what versions of software you were using, and b) what hardware you tried to install it on.
In any comparison of any operating system (*NIX, Microsoft etc) we have to make sure that 1) the hardware you are trying to install on is on the hardware compatability list, and 2) you install the different software on exactly the same hardware in each case.
If conditions (1) and (2) aren't met then the experiment has no value.
Moron alert!
Just because something has an initial purchase cost of $0.00 does not on any way, shape or form imply that the "Total Cost of Owneership" is zero.
If you think that $0.00 purchase price means $0.00 TCO then I have some real estate that I'd like to sell you...