That would be a shorter list. How about the coal mines in China where criminals and political prisoners are sent to die? How about the infamous Norilsk nickle mine in Russia?
Yup! It is operated for science. The Bad NASA is operated to create pork jobs in Houston. Even decommissioning the shuttle fleet was insanely expensive; Houston had to wring every last dollar out of the program.
Houston's Space Launch System is the Rocket To Nowhere and I doubt it will ever get off the ground.
Which NASA killed all those astro-naughts?
Which one is still operating the Opportunity rover 6 years past its expected lifetime? Which NASA is still running the the Voyagers probes? Or Cassini? JPL has dozens of missions in space.
The two failures at Mars were a direct result of NASA HQ (i.e. Golden) dictating Faster, Better, Cheaper to JPL. Since then it has been one success after another at Mars and elsewhere in the solar system.
There are two NASAs: The Bad NASA that wastes billions on manned pork rockets to nowhere and the Good NASA (Jet Propulsion Lab) that has had one success after another with unmanned probes. I love it when the ex-pilots who run NASA try to take credit for JPL's success, even when they are trying to kill planetary exploration in favor of more manned pork.
Storage is dirt cheap. Big Brother never knows when he may need to review the tapes for "security" reasons. And no, nobody listens to endless hours of dead air time. As you know, there is software available for screening the audio in phone conversations (for "searching for terrorists") and millions of phones are monitored; there is no reason to believe that the same software could not be used on these conversations.
Unless proven otherwise, we have to assume that the recordings are always on and always being stored.
Video monitor tapes are stored; why wouldn't audio records also be stored?
No. It is always on and they are always listening. They are lying. There is no incentive for them not to record and plenty to record. Just as there is incentive to read these comments and track down the posters.
This is a very conservative approach, i.e. only searching for what you expect to be there, but many of the most important scientific breakthroughs have been the result of bold breaks with dogma. SETI has, as it would seem, a low probability of success but with small costs and a high payoff. The Fermi paradox not withstanding, the search should continue and be adequately funded.
You are intertwingling the two NASAs. There is the Bad NASA (the manned pork flights) our of Houston and there is the Good NASA (unnamed scientific probes) out of JPL in Pasedena. Two totally separate mindset; one is to create jobs in Texas and FL while the other is to do science.
A spacecraft dedicated to disproving this anomally should be slingshotted out of the solar system to test this once and for all and address the reamining 20%. It could be a cheap spin-stabilized craft with a pinger and a transmitter and carefully studied thermal characteristics.
In the orginal article about it in the Planetary Report (from the Planetary Society) the answer was yes! The spacecraft with their little p$rno plaques meant for salacious alien entertainment will loop back to our solar system...
I don't know if that conclusion is still operative.
I wonder if a private party could launch a simple, spin-stabilized probe, with well-understood thermal behavoir, that could be used to test the Pioneer Anomally once and for all....all it would need is a clock/ doppler-pinger and a spin and maybe slingshot out of the solar system...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_anomaly
The gowns (usually from Ivy League Geo departments) who bitterly fought the Alvarez asteroid theory failed but next proposed that the dinos were already stressed out and headed for extinction when the asteroid hit. Now this...ugh, will they never give up?
Manned space flight is pork while robotic missions (i.e. from JPL) do the real science. And Houston just cannot let go of the pork firehose; just look at the hundreds of millions it took to decommision the shuttles. Ugh. Here we are on the verge of great discoveries on Mars, Europa, and Enceladus, but the robotic missions are being scuttled for the NASA next big manned Rocket to Nowhere....
As usual it is the Pork (i.e. Houston and mannned space flight) that wins over Science (JPL and robotic missions). And 10 years from now there will be nothing to show for the billions wasted on the porky manned missions while planetary missions starve...
I am pretty sure that MSL was NOT designed to collect samples for a future Sample-Return mission. Yes, it has a sample tray, but this was only designed for examinations, not for a return mission cache. Before any S-R missions, we better be darn sure that the sample are very, very scientifically interestings...ideally with organic compounds because those rocks will become the most expensive in history....
MSL will be a pre-cursor for any pre-S-R collection missions. It will be able to survey a lot of different geological strata and hopefully zero in on the most promising for followup missions.
That is all well and good, but Darling in his book _Life Everywhere_ accuses Guillermo Gonzalez of taking the opposite stance. However it should be noted that just because you have an extremist religious view does not mean it will color your scientific work, and this a huge stretch from this to a government coverup of life on Mars...so huge as to be ridiculous.
Was Horwitz or Drake who said, "It is good to keep an open mind, but not so much that your brains fall out"?
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Don't you love these Soviet Style missions?
That would be a shorter list. How about the coal mines in China where criminals and political prisoners are sent to die? How about the infamous Norilsk nickle mine in Russia?
So he risked 10 years in jail just for bedtime reading? Seems improbable. And seems likely he will jump bail and pull another Charlie Trie.
Yup! It is operated for science. The Bad NASA is operated to create pork jobs in Houston. Even decommissioning the shuttle fleet was insanely expensive; Houston had to wring every last dollar out of the program. Houston's Space Launch System is the Rocket To Nowhere and I doubt it will ever get off the ground.
Which NASA killed all those astro-naughts? Which one is still operating the Opportunity rover 6 years past its expected lifetime? Which NASA is still running the the Voyagers probes? Or Cassini? JPL has dozens of missions in space. The two failures at Mars were a direct result of NASA HQ (i.e. Golden) dictating Faster, Better, Cheaper to JPL. Since then it has been one success after another at Mars and elsewhere in the solar system.
There are two NASAs: The Bad NASA that wastes billions on manned pork rockets to nowhere and the Good NASA (Jet Propulsion Lab) that has had one success after another with unmanned probes. I love it when the ex-pilots who run NASA try to take credit for JPL's success, even when they are trying to kill planetary exploration in favor of more manned pork.
Storage is dirt cheap. Big Brother never knows when he may need to review the tapes for "security" reasons. And no, nobody listens to endless hours of dead air time. As you know, there is software available for screening the audio in phone conversations (for "searching for terrorists") and millions of phones are monitored; there is no reason to believe that the same software could not be used on these conversations. Unless proven otherwise, we have to assume that the recordings are always on and always being stored. Video monitor tapes are stored; why wouldn't audio records also be stored?
That should do the trick...
No. It is always on and they are always listening. They are lying. There is no incentive for them not to record and plenty to record. Just as there is incentive to read these comments and track down the posters.
Alan Sheppard's golf ball never made it into orbit...now THAT would be a hard artifact to find. Worse than Gus Grisom's door...
Are there RTG's left at the sites? That would discourage the sticky fingered types...
This is a very conservative approach, i.e. only searching for what you expect to be there, but many of the most important scientific breakthroughs have been the result of bold breaks with dogma. SETI has, as it would seem, a low probability of success but with small costs and a high payoff. The Fermi paradox not withstanding, the search should continue and be adequately funded.
You are intertwingling the two NASAs. There is the Bad NASA (the manned pork flights) our of Houston and there is the Good NASA (unnamed scientific probes) out of JPL in Pasedena. Two totally separate mindset; one is to create jobs in Texas and FL while the other is to do science.
Sounds Great!
Just BS to cover their image. If Apple really cared about workers, they would manufacture in the US or Europe. They don't care.
New Horizons spacecraft which will zip past Pluto in 2015 should help. I would not hold your breath on the JWST answering this question any time soon.
A spacecraft dedicated to disproving this anomally should be slingshotted out of the solar system to test this once and for all and address the reamining 20%. It could be a cheap spin-stabilized craft with a pinger and a transmitter and carefully studied thermal characteristics.
In the orginal article about it in the Planetary Report (from the Planetary Society) the answer was yes! The spacecraft with their little p$rno plaques meant for salacious alien entertainment will loop back to our solar system... I don't know if that conclusion is still operative.
That is the key...
I wonder if a private party could launch a simple, spin-stabilized probe, with well-understood thermal behavoir, that could be used to test the Pioneer Anomally once and for all....all it would need is a clock/ doppler-pinger and a spin and maybe slingshot out of the solar system... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_anomaly
The gowns (usually from Ivy League Geo departments) who bitterly fought the Alvarez asteroid theory failed but next proposed that the dinos were already stressed out and headed for extinction when the asteroid hit. Now this...ugh, will they never give up?
Manned space flight is pork while robotic missions (i.e. from JPL) do the real science. And Houston just cannot let go of the pork firehose; just look at the hundreds of millions it took to decommision the shuttles. Ugh. Here we are on the verge of great discoveries on Mars, Europa, and Enceladus, but the robotic missions are being scuttled for the NASA next big manned Rocket to Nowhere....
As usual it is the Pork (i.e. Houston and mannned space flight) that wins over Science (JPL and robotic missions). And 10 years from now there will be nothing to show for the billions wasted on the porky manned missions while planetary missions starve...
I am pretty sure that MSL was NOT designed to collect samples for a future Sample-Return mission. Yes, it has a sample tray, but this was only designed for examinations, not for a return mission cache. Before any S-R missions, we better be darn sure that the sample are very, very scientifically interestings...ideally with organic compounds because those rocks will become the most expensive in history.... MSL will be a pre-cursor for any pre-S-R collection missions. It will be able to survey a lot of different geological strata and hopefully zero in on the most promising for followup missions.
That is all well and good, but Darling in his book _Life Everywhere_ accuses Guillermo Gonzalez of taking the opposite stance. However it should be noted that just because you have an extremist religious view does not mean it will color your scientific work, and this a huge stretch from this to a government coverup of life on Mars...so huge as to be ridiculous. Was Horwitz or Drake who said, "It is good to keep an open mind, but not so much that your brains fall out"?