Honestly, if my children deface websites, and never do anything worse, I'll be one happy motherfucker.
Thats nice. And where are their computers ? In their room where they can do anything, see anything ? Are one of those parents that expect ME to look out for what they see ?
Get of it. It's your responsibility to care for and discipline your child. My parents were not that strict and I think in my life I got 1 or 2 spakings (and I did deserve it), but as I got older, I had a healthy respect for them and when I was a teen I new to listen to what they told me to do.
Do your children ? Do they listen to and understand exactly what you tell them ? Or do they just tell you to fuck off ?
Vandalizm is vandalizm regardless of using paint or HTML and because these "children" should know better, punish the shit outta them.
Why not ? I am so freaking sick and tired of people saying "They're just kids".. BULLSH*T.. A typical teen nowadays has as much "knowledge" of life as most 25/30 year olds did in the 50's. They know right from wrong (they better know they shouldn't go into someone's house and steal if they've survived to teenage life).
Maybe a 6 year old wouldn't know but a 10 year old better.. So why shouldn't a teen ?
Make the teen spend 30 days in jail. No computer, no phone, no TV (why they hell do prison's have TV's ??!?!?), no radio, no NOTHING.
Then make part of the punishment after the 90 days community service. Make him do 200 hours of something like sewer cleanup.
Have you heard of a little application called rsync ? It can keep things synchronized (forcing the site to be updated via a secured master copy behind a firewall or at least outside the DMZ).
That's how I do things at my 9to5 job. Our site synchronizes in about 2 minutes. If they re-synched once per day for 10K pages, what would that take, maybe 20 minutes ?
You're right there.. I went to the auction for Data Prophet last year. People were buying 386/486 10" laptops for 500 +.. Paying 500 for P2 computers.. And many of them WERE from companies with the company check books.
I managed to get (from someone) a 50GB Onstream tape drive and controller for 20 bucks. I did pick a bunch of Citrix server software (still shrink wrapped) and a copy of Visio for 30 bucks too.
So perhaps we should recognise that cracking research is a healthy activity, and should be welcomed the way we welcome someone calling out, "hey, bozo, you left your car lights on!".
In that example, you woudn't have found out by opening the car door and looking at the light switch would you ?
What he was trying to do was the equivalent. As a consultant, you shouldn't be doing something you were expressly told not to (i.e. a backdoor in a firewall, password cracking, etc.). especially if you wanted to get your contract extended. As a consultant you are expendable no matter how good a job you are doing.
As for cracking, if you were given permission (preferably in writing or at least in front of peers) then its a different story. He wasn't doing it as part of his job (he was trying to do it to prove his worth).
And for those of us who've used VxWorks we would prefer linux. MUCH cheaper cost and easier to develop testing stations (just use a PC running linux for most of it then when you get to the nitty gritty you can move into the actual bread boards/etc.).
Exactly.. I vaguely remember some sort of compiler bug purposely introduced by the compiler writer.
Also, even if you DO compile from source, are you going to rebuild the GLIBC each time ? What is to stop them from modifying THAT or from modifying some normally innocent loadable library ??
And thats why this country has such wacked out jobs where a person could sit and do nothing all day but you can't fire them 'cause they are union.
Where I used to work, if we needed any fixes/etc. done on our prototype bread boards, we were at the mercy of the Union Techs. If we (God forbid) fixed something and they noticed, we'd get written up by the techs. Sorry.. Getting written up was less of a pain then not meeting schedule for a engine control for the US Air Force.
I'm working on Linux HA in their porting (porting to Solaris and *BSD).
Thanks to Auto conf, some really nasty #if's in the code have been removed by a single include line, its also able to simplify code by removing 50 trillion OS specific checks from the source files and only insert it when it needs to.
Once you get over the basic learning curve hurdles, then you should be fine.
It would be nice though if there was a makefile -> autoconf converter (but that is just me).
Oh there is a movie that ranks up (or is it down) with Manos as most horrific movie.
The movie "Naked Space" Starring Cindy 'Laverne and Shirly' Williams and Leslie 'Naked Gun' Nielsen. My wife and I found the DVD for 8 bucks in a bargin bin and figured it was Airplane meets Police Story/Naked Gun...
We watched it for 45 minutes PRAYING that it would get better.. It didn't. It was like a car accident (couldn't help but watch)..
When it was over, we looked at one another and decied that instead of burning the DVD, we would keep it to get rid of people when the've over stayed their welcome.
If they could only respond to constituents then they wouldn't be able to accept "contributions" (translation legal bribes) from corporations outside their home districts.
Isn't that SOP for him. He REALLY needs to learn how to work and play with others.
It would be nice if he, and the NETBSD and FreeBSD could - unfork into a single coherent BSD system instead of 3 splintered ones (with different focus's)..
I've done them. Yes. Its painful to install 300MB but it can be done (from 2 single floppies).
As long as your modem or NIC is supported you can do it and all it will take is time. Then you don't need to download 600MB of binaries that you may / may not need.
So if they chose to only play the songs of groups that blow them (pay "contributions") to their stations, thats ok ?
Having it as a "guideline" is one thing, telling their stations point blank is another. A guideline is fine (If it is that, a guide).
Once ANYONE starts proscribing what CAN / CAN NOT be played is censorship. If the stations have a choice, correct. But if they are told point blank they can't play something for an arbitrary reason, sorry. Its censorship
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Thats nice. And where are their computers ? In their room where they can do anything, see anything ? Are one of those parents that expect ME to look out for what they see ?
Get of it. It's your responsibility to care for and discipline your child. My parents were not that strict and I think in my life I got 1 or 2 spakings (and I did deserve it), but as I got older, I had a healthy respect for them and when I was a teen I new to listen to what they told me to do.
Do your children ? Do they listen to and understand exactly what you tell them ? Or do they just tell you to fuck off ?
Vandalizm is vandalizm regardless of using paint or HTML and because these "children" should know better, punish the shit outta them.
Why not ? I am so freaking sick and tired of people saying "They're just kids".. BULLSH*T.. A typical teen nowadays has as much "knowledge" of life as most 25/30 year olds did in the 50's. They know right from wrong (they better know they shouldn't go into someone's house and steal if they've survived to teenage life).
Maybe a 6 year old wouldn't know but a 10 year old better.. So why shouldn't a teen ?
Make the teen spend 30 days in jail. No computer, no phone, no TV (why they hell do prison's have TV's ??!?!?), no radio, no NOTHING.
Then make part of the punishment after the 90 days community service. Make him do 200 hours of something like sewer cleanup.
Have you heard of a little application called rsync ? It can keep things synchronized (forcing the site to be updated via a secured master copy behind a firewall or at least outside the DMZ).
That's how I do things at my 9to5 job. Our site synchronizes in about 2 minutes. If they re-synched once per day for 10K pages, what would that take, maybe 20 minutes ?
You're right there.. I went to the auction for Data Prophet last year. People were buying 386/486 10" laptops for 500 + .. Paying 500 for P2 computers.. And many of them WERE from companies with the company check books.
I managed to get (from someone) a 50GB Onstream tape drive and controller for 20 bucks. I did pick a bunch of Citrix server software (still shrink wrapped) and a copy of Visio for 30 bucks too.
In that example, you woudn't have found out by opening the car door and looking at the light switch would you ?
What he was trying to do was the equivalent. As a consultant, you shouldn't be doing something you were expressly told not to (i.e. a backdoor in a firewall, password cracking, etc.). especially if you wanted to get your contract extended. As a consultant you are expendable no matter how good a job you are doing.
As for cracking, if you were given permission (preferably in writing or at least in front of peers) then its a different story. He wasn't doing it as part of his job (he was trying to do it to prove his worth).
And for those of us who've used VxWorks we would prefer linux. MUCH cheaper cost and easier to develop testing stations (just use a PC running linux for most of it then when you get to the nitty gritty you can move into the actual bread boards/etc.).
Actually.. Isn't it more the NSA's area ?
Doesn't the CIA and FBI only "technically" have US jurisdiction ?
Exactly.. I vaguely remember some sort of compiler bug purposely introduced by the compiler writer.
Also, even if you DO compile from source, are you going to rebuild the GLIBC each time ? What is to stop them from modifying THAT or from modifying some normally innocent loadable library ??
Where I used to work, if we needed any fixes/etc. done on our prototype bread boards, we were at the mercy of the Union Techs. If we (God forbid) fixed something and they noticed, we'd get written up by the techs. Sorry.. Getting written up was less of a pain then not meeting schedule for a engine control for the US Air Force.
Thanks to Auto conf, some really nasty #if's in the code have been removed by a single include line, its also able to simplify code by removing 50 trillion OS specific checks from the source files and only insert it when it needs to.
Once you get over the basic learning curve hurdles, then you should be fine.
It would be nice though if there was a makefile -> autoconf converter (but that is just me).
The movie "Naked Space" Starring Cindy 'Laverne and Shirly' Williams and Leslie 'Naked Gun' Nielsen. My wife and I found the DVD for 8 bucks in a bargin bin and figured it was Airplane meets Police Story/Naked Gun...
We watched it for 45 minutes PRAYING that it would get better.. It didn't. It was like a car accident (couldn't help but watch)..
When it was over, we looked at one another and decied that instead of burning the DVD, we would keep it to get rid of people when the've over stayed their welcome.
If they could only respond to constituents then they wouldn't be able to accept "contributions" (translation legal bribes) from corporations outside their home districts.
True ?
Theo being a Prick ?
Isn't that SOP for him. He REALLY needs to learn how to work and play with others.
It would be nice if he, and the NETBSD and FreeBSD could - unfork into a single coherent BSD system instead of 3 splintered ones (with different focus's)..
Now it will get ported into FreeBSD (my preferred BSD) and prolly OpenBSD.
Nice to have native choices other than Open Sound although 20 bucks isn't that much to spend.
However.. one part of the analogy you forgot.
In this case the person would have gone into the office and photocopied records, xrays, etc. (confidential information).
I had thought people were over reacting in the calling in of the police/etc. I guess not.
So.. Is that a site about hating racism and some porn os is that a site about hating racism and hating porn ?
They were told that the backdoors would only be used with a court order AND by the good guys to stop the bad guys..
I thought that it was strange that I didn't get the announcement email from FreeBSD before seeing the story here..
OpenBSD is focused on security.
FreeBSD is geared towards i386 server stability (with security too).
NebBSD is geared towards maximum platform support (with security and stability too).
When its an ISO image for a DVD-ROM device...
Then.. Maybe do an INTERNET install ?
I've done them. Yes. Its painful to install 300MB but it can be done (from 2 single floppies).
As long as your modem or NIC is supported you can do it and all it will take is time. Then you don't need to download 600MB of binaries that you may / may not need.
So if they chose to only play the songs of groups that blow them (pay "contributions") to their stations, thats ok ?
Having it as a "guideline" is one thing, telling their stations point blank is another. A guideline is fine (If it is that, a guide).
Once ANYONE starts proscribing what CAN / CAN NOT be played is censorship. If the stations have a choice, correct. But if they are told point blank they can't play something for an arbitrary reason, sorry. Its censorship
*thinking of the WKRP episode*
Um.. the US did start things with Arpa and Darpa nets.
.com/.net/.org ..
We were the ones who started it (and others realised this is a good concept).
Thats why we have
I see freeboxen.com owned by this person, but no .org or .net...
Nether of those domains show up in whois.. You sure they actually existed ??