Most of the phones will just have a look and feel that sort of kind of but only in a stupid crappy sort of way resembles the Android interface. Unless they use the same quality hardware as what the G1 runs under the hood.
The counter to your argument is that Apple still has a small piece of the pie (even though it is bigger than it was 5 years ago) and MS has pretty much most of the pie, because they did it right in the first place. Like MS, hate MS, want to murder everyone who works at MS, it doesn't matter. One thing where credit must be given is that they chose to work on an open platform and simply provide the software to run on that platform, and it worked. The same principles are being applied by Google, and they are less evil (or at least that's what everyone is supposed to believe) than MS and therefore life will be even better. Personally I believe it simply because of the fact that Google is willing to provide all of the code, no questions asked. They are just looking to profit off of the advertising and such. Not a bad trade off if you ask me. Yeah, there are questions about what they plan on doing with the data they have, but I don't see that on the same level as MS basically keeping a tight control over their software and constantly pushing out buggy code that was either bought, borrowed, or stitched together from a variety of sources.
I don't think it's as big an issue as most here seem to fear. In the end, just having Android will not make a phone outsell another Android phone. Having the right hardware setup and having a good software inclusion will make the difference. Also, sometimes you really do get what you pay for. The reason the Chinese iPhone clones aren't hurting the sales of the iPhone is because they suck. The same will go for the Chinese made Android phones, because the implementation of the phone will still be garbage, even if the Android OS installed is the same.
As if the cheap knockoff Chinese Android phones will make a real impact with how Android does. That would be like saying that the cheap Chinese knockoff iPhones are affecting how the iPhone does. Seriously, this is a dumb argument.
Considering Motorola has already stated they are going to make a series of devices with Android, and I'm certain that other equipment makers will probably jump on board at least with a handful of devices, I don't think you will have to wait too long for a more elegant android device.
That being said, I think the criticisms on the hardware of the G1 are necessarily fair. I mean, yeah, it doesn't shine, but I like function over form personally and the hardware buttons and the qwerty keyboard suit me more than just having the touch screen.
I respect that that's not good enough for some, but I don't think the G1 was developed as an iPhone killer like some believe and like the gadget media keeps trying to indicate. I think it's aimed more at the audience of people who want a smartphone but want a more open platform than what they are being served by most providers. For instance, I'm a programmer myself and the idea that I can sit down and easily develop applications for my own use for the G1 really drew me towards the Android platform in general. Yeah, you can do that on the iPhone, but not nearly as easily or conveniently as you can on the G1. Not to mention that the SDK was available even before the first device was out and google has already laid out a roadmap for improvements to the platform and SDK. A far cry from what you get from Apple. It's as if Steve Jobs begrudgingly allowed the SDK to be more widely available but really didn't want that to happen.
As many other industries are struggling, gaming is actually booming. So really, we probably should have more US tax money invested in the gaming market. Hell, I say subsidize a television and game console for every family in America that cannot afford one. It's a good thing I'm poor (or at least that's what I'm going to tell the gaming board when they call to find out if I qualify for a free console).
As if Apple is any different from Microsoft when it comes to welcoming competition. I fully suspect that if anything in the hardware or software of the G1 closely resembles that of any function in the iPhone, Apple will file suit. Not that google is dumb enough to let this happen, but you never know.
Ok hurray for not proofreading before hitting submit. My second sentence should read: I was critical of a policy of asking someone's name and crossing it out of a book, based on the honor code basically, as opposed to asking for someone's ID and registering their intention to vote and cross referencing this with a list and/or database that will help to certify that they have indeed not voted yet and are eligible to vote.
Apparently you misread my post. I was critical of a policy of asking someone's name and crossing it out of a book, as opposed to asking for someone's ID and registering the vote based on, basically, the honor code that they are who they say they are. The poster I replied to basically indicated that in some districts this method is used because it is somehow considered racist to ask for ID in order to certify that someone is legitimately voting and has the legal authority to do so.
lie? Lie about what? And you mention he voted with Bush 9 times out of 10. How's that much different from Obama, who has voted with Bush 8.5 times out of 10? Something doesn't smell right in here. Perhaps it's the bullshit piling up. If you think Obama is any better than McCain, you are certainly going to make a nice lemming for Obama if he gets into office.
Everyone that I've heard on Slashdot seems to claim that Obama's campaign is more up-to-date on technology and the use of the internet and computers. It seems more likely that something like this would be engineered by their campaign rather than McCain's campaign.
I think the lack of competence to vote with reason, intelligence and logical thinking far outweigh the lack of competence and willingness and sheer honor to correctly implement the technology.
Not requiring an ID in my opinion allows for the realistic possibility of voter fraud on many levels. Who's to say that the person is that name? Who's to say they are a legal US Citizen? Who's to say they have voting privileges (Convicted Felons have their voting privileges taken away for a specific period of time)? Who's to say they haven't voted under 10 names already that day? Having a system where you can categorically say that this person hasn't voted yet and is eligible to vote will allow for a more fair system. Is it fullproof? Nope. Is it better than what you described. Fuck yeah. Crossing names out of books? WTF?! That's just asking for fraud.
No, no, NO! They called it Seven because they saved it from the collective, and it no longer needs the full name Seven of Nine. So just Seven for short.
Yeah i know some of the people on Slashdot think that issues about the internet and technology are the most vital issues, but some of us care more about if our 401k plans are going to survive and if the price of gas and goods is going to keep increasing.
I don't know what the hell you are talking about. I just updated Sins of a Solar Empire about a month ago and I didn't have to install shit in order to do this, just had to log into the website from the game. And it still didn't require the DVD to play.
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Most of the phones will just have a look and feel that sort of kind of but only in a stupid crappy sort of way resembles the Android interface. Unless they use the same quality hardware as what the G1 runs under the hood.
The counter to your argument is that Apple still has a small piece of the pie (even though it is bigger than it was 5 years ago) and MS has pretty much most of the pie, because they did it right in the first place. Like MS, hate MS, want to murder everyone who works at MS, it doesn't matter. One thing where credit must be given is that they chose to work on an open platform and simply provide the software to run on that platform, and it worked. The same principles are being applied by Google, and they are less evil (or at least that's what everyone is supposed to believe) than MS and therefore life will be even better. Personally I believe it simply because of the fact that Google is willing to provide all of the code, no questions asked. They are just looking to profit off of the advertising and such. Not a bad trade off if you ask me. Yeah, there are questions about what they plan on doing with the data they have, but I don't see that on the same level as MS basically keeping a tight control over their software and constantly pushing out buggy code that was either bought, borrowed, or stitched together from a variety of sources.
I don't think it's as big an issue as most here seem to fear. In the end, just having Android will not make a phone outsell another Android phone. Having the right hardware setup and having a good software inclusion will make the difference. Also, sometimes you really do get what you pay for. The reason the Chinese iPhone clones aren't hurting the sales of the iPhone is because they suck. The same will go for the Chinese made Android phones, because the implementation of the phone will still be garbage, even if the Android OS installed is the same.
As if the cheap knockoff Chinese Android phones will make a real impact with how Android does. That would be like saying that the cheap Chinese knockoff iPhones are affecting how the iPhone does. Seriously, this is a dumb argument.
Nothing in Apple's history should've given anyone any indication that any decent amount of tinkering would be allowed by Apple.
Considering Motorola has already stated they are going to make a series of devices with Android, and I'm certain that other equipment makers will probably jump on board at least with a handful of devices, I don't think you will have to wait too long for a more elegant android device.
That being said, I think the criticisms on the hardware of the G1 are necessarily fair. I mean, yeah, it doesn't shine, but I like function over form personally and the hardware buttons and the qwerty keyboard suit me more than just having the touch screen.
I respect that that's not good enough for some, but I don't think the G1 was developed as an iPhone killer like some believe and like the gadget media keeps trying to indicate. I think it's aimed more at the audience of people who want a smartphone but want a more open platform than what they are being served by most providers. For instance, I'm a programmer myself and the idea that I can sit down and easily develop applications for my own use for the G1 really drew me towards the Android platform in general. Yeah, you can do that on the iPhone, but not nearly as easily or conveniently as you can on the G1. Not to mention that the SDK was available even before the first device was out and google has already laid out a roadmap for improvements to the platform and SDK. A far cry from what you get from Apple. It's as if Steve Jobs begrudgingly allowed the SDK to be more widely available but really didn't want that to happen.
In the fiery chasms of Mount doom.
There, fixed it for ya.
Steve, is that you?
As many other industries are struggling, gaming is actually booming. So really, we probably should have more US tax money invested in the gaming market. Hell, I say subsidize a television and game console for every family in America that cannot afford one. It's a good thing I'm poor (or at least that's what I'm going to tell the gaming board when they call to find out if I qualify for a free console).
As if Apple is any different from Microsoft when it comes to welcoming competition. I fully suspect that if anything in the hardware or software of the G1 closely resembles that of any function in the iPhone, Apple will file suit. Not that google is dumb enough to let this happen, but you never know.
Ok hurray for not proofreading before hitting submit. My second sentence should read: I was critical of a policy of asking someone's name and crossing it out of a book, based on the honor code basically, as opposed to asking for someone's ID and registering their intention to vote and cross referencing this with a list and/or database that will help to certify that they have indeed not voted yet and are eligible to vote.
Apparently you misread my post. I was critical of a policy of asking someone's name and crossing it out of a book, as opposed to asking for someone's ID and registering the vote based on, basically, the honor code that they are who they say they are. The poster I replied to basically indicated that in some districts this method is used because it is somehow considered racist to ask for ID in order to certify that someone is legitimately voting and has the legal authority to do so.
lie? Lie about what? And you mention he voted with Bush 9 times out of 10. How's that much different from Obama, who has voted with Bush 8.5 times out of 10? Something doesn't smell right in here. Perhaps it's the bullshit piling up. If you think Obama is any better than McCain, you are certainly going to make a nice lemming for Obama if he gets into office.
Everyone that I've heard on Slashdot seems to claim that Obama's campaign is more up-to-date on technology and the use of the internet and computers. It seems more likely that something like this would be engineered by their campaign rather than McCain's campaign.
I think the lack of competence to vote with reason, intelligence and logical thinking far outweigh the lack of competence and willingness and sheer honor to correctly implement the technology.
Well if many votes are supposedly bought and sold, is there really a difference?
Wow, you aren't biased one bit. Got any bridges for sale?
Not requiring an ID in my opinion allows for the realistic possibility of voter fraud on many levels. Who's to say that the person is that name? Who's to say they are a legal US Citizen? Who's to say they have voting privileges (Convicted Felons have their voting privileges taken away for a specific period of time)? Who's to say they haven't voted under 10 names already that day? Having a system where you can categorically say that this person hasn't voted yet and is eligible to vote will allow for a more fair system. Is it fullproof? Nope. Is it better than what you described. Fuck yeah. Crossing names out of books? WTF?! That's just asking for fraud.
Let's see...I'm a guy, I'm an American, I am a meatitarian...sign me up!
No, no, NO! They called it Seven because they saved it from the collective, and it no longer needs the full name Seven of Nine. So just Seven for short.
I said energy independence. Since when does energy only relate to oil?
Because energy independence is a tad more important than anything relating to the internet. Grow up.
Yeah i know some of the people on Slashdot think that issues about the internet and technology are the most vital issues, but some of us care more about if our 401k plans are going to survive and if the price of gas and goods is going to keep increasing.
I don't know what the hell you are talking about. I just updated Sins of a Solar Empire about a month ago and I didn't have to install shit in order to do this, just had to log into the website from the game. And it still didn't require the DVD to play.
Thank you grammar police. Take your crappy, second rate manga and go enjoy your dictionary.