The coal was produced primarily by rotting leaves and soil, which yes, would have been under the trees.
So you have a layer of petrified leaves and trees and a layer of coal beneath it. They take out the coal and you get a really big long cave, where you can look up at the bottom of the fossil bed.
Cool stuff. Now I'm waiting patiently for someone to mention the global warming comment.
Authorities need ONE of TWO things to enter your home: a warrant OR your permission. He gave authorities permission to enter for the fire, and they found illegal stuff. As far as I could tell, he wasn't even arrested. They just cleaned it up safely for him.
Now, I love science a lot more than a normal person, but in my experience, most people can barely handle some well-labeled cleaning supplies. People do incredibly irresponsible things with chemicals all of the time. You had better believe that SOME of this stuff was way out of the realm of reasonable or responsible chemical usage.
When you know you have too many cats, you can let the authorities in to take them, and do it without involving police or wasting a judge's time. Sadly, you and your friends on the internet can blow it out of proportion and complain about it, too. Just the way the cookie crumbles, I suppose.
Most of the carriers in the US charge for both incoming and outgoing calls. Call it dodgy if you like. It's simply their business model. Receiving calls will use minutes in your cellular plan just as making a call will.
If you happen to have one of the few plans that doesn't, lucky you. You still get protected by the law preventing collection agents from calling your cellular line. And that was the theory behind WHY the law exists.
Look closely at your phone bill. A cellular phone bill charges you minutes for both incoming and outgoing calls, whereas a landline will charge you only for outgoing calls.
Even though it's not the 80's, that's how they run the racket.
My understanding of WHY it was illegal to bother people on cell phones though was that it costs money to the person you're calling. Unlike landlines which only charge for outgoing calls.
Like a collection agency cannot cost you money in an attempt to collect what you owe them and likewise can't call cell lines.
if you honestly see no difference between NOT LYING about what you want and walking up to a stranger and asking them to have sex in an alley, then there is no hope for you to interact with normal people.
i am not now saying, nor have i ever said that anything less than full disclosure the second someone strikes you as attractive is dishonest. this is your black versus white approach. life is significantly more complex.
in your example, you asked a stranger if they wanted to go have sex with you. if that's what you wanted, i don't think that you did anything implicitly BAD. but unless that is ALL you wanted, and that your invitation to have sex somewhere private totally sums up all of your interest in someone, then you sure as hell screwed it up. you should expect that the only person who would say yes to that would be someone who had identical interests: anonymous sex in a bar bathroom, perhaps.
another point you miss is that graphically sexual conversation is something many people would consider intimate. so if the girl you like from across the bar happens to be one of those people, by asking her in the manner you proposed, you're not giving her a low-pressure proposition that she can just decline if she isn't interested. you just pushed her boundaries way past her comfort level. so she will not just say no thanks. she'll think of you as the guy who made her feel bad. she won't like you. but if you only wanted sex in the bar bathroom, then you don't really care if she doesn't want to date you.
the real issue here is that what you asked for ISN'T all you wanted. you want to establish something perhaps slightly more intimate than anonymous bar bathroom sex. so starting small talk with them is right on the money. maybe you aren't measuring them for a wedding dress in your head, but people are clearly not ONLY at extreme opposite ends of that spectrum. and if what you want is to see if someone might be tolerable to keep around for a while, then asking them for sex in the bathroom isn't really very honest either, since you clearly were interested in more than that.
my point has always been that only by asking for the actual thing you want will you find it. yes there is a certain level of asking in an appropriate fashion, but asking for something else will never get you what you were looking for.
as to the story you related, i have to call bull. according to you, you were behaving in a perfectly reasonable way, and a group of people reacted as though you were a creep. in my opinion, one of two things probably happened. 1.) you were acting like an ass, and didn't realize it. 2.) you were fine, and for whatever reason, all of these people are asses and wanted to get rid of you. if it's number 1 (and this is where many geeks fall) then the solution is to work on improving your social skills. if it's number 2, then THEY need better social skills, and no amount of smooth talking would have gotten you into their pants. they don't want you around, and at least they told you to leave and gave you a bad excuse instead of lying to the cops to say you raped a chick. take the hint and leave them alone.
some people suck. they're crappy people, and they treat other people with disdain for bad reasons. did you want to sleep with one of them? i can't understand why, but good luck with it. try being rich and good looking. but if you want decent people around you, then you shouldn't worry too much about the people who follow the high school pecking order of social interactions. they suck.
honestly, there is a lot more to EVERY situation than black and white. people don't operate only in binary.
yet another point where this ceased to be a conversation and turned into your soapbox for how women are evil and hateful and out to get you.
*I* said be honest about what your intentions are, so that the person you're interacting with can give you an honest answer.
YOU said lewd.
*I* said that people who can't appreciate your honesty, and even a certain amount of awkwardness along with it, aren't worth your concern.
YOU interpreted this as "go rape girls... pshaw, who cares what THEY think".
YOU said that people thought you were coming on too strong and were a physical threat to them.
*I* said you probably were creepy, if that was the case.
i'm sorry that you don't like my answers, but there they are. maybe YOU don't my original advice. maybe you are an overbearing ass. maybe you wouldn't be mistaken for a "Nice Guy" in a hundred years.
but for the rest of them out there, those of you who can take a reasonable statement like "be honest and direct about what you want" for what it is and not jump to the rape conclusion, use it to your heart's content. or don't. no apology needed.
does it somehow hurt you to be a friend to a women? It doesn't even have to be about a romantic problem. everyone wants some advice at times, an outside opinion. maybe it's sexist of me, but having a guy's opinion is very helpful. it's not as though i'm taking advantage of their MD in psychiatry to get free therapy. why else do people have friends, other than to have enjoyable people in their lives and some sort of support system?
wow. way to take a perfectly reasonable conversation and turn it into me advocating rape. that was spectacular.
if you need a step by step instruction manual in how not to be a creep, you should probably start with a basic social skills class. a lot of ADD/ADHD clinics offer them.
my set of basic tips would have to start with you. you have to know what you want. if what you want is a drunken hook up with someone you just met at a bar, then you approach the problem differently than if you want to flirt with a girl at a party and maybe eventually date.
talking to people is usually a good way to interact with them without making them uncomfortable. and if it DOES make people uncomfortable when you are just conversing with them, i have news for you. you are creepy. you lack the social skills to interact with other humans. you send messages you don't mean to and don't send messages when you want to. the dog who never learns to wag his tail when he's happy doesn't get pet very often.
take heart. these are learned skills. i guarantee you that if multiple people think you were posing some sort of "physical threat", then it wasn't a conclusion they all spontaneously jumped to or were coerced into agreeing with. maybe you stare. maybe you stand way too close to people. maybe you touched people (in an innocent way, i'm talking here) too much... like shaking hands too long.
in any case, i don't see anything i have said to give you "proof" that you 'all women are the devil and are out to get me' theory. i am SO sorry that you are so bad at logic.
Do you accept that being open to the wrong person will get me labled a creep, with penalities to future encounters? Do you accept that it is difficult to distinguish right from wrong persons ( this was the point of mine that you continue to miss. there are two reasons that *I* can recognize for why you would be labeled a creep.
1: you are a creep. you make people feel uncomfortable. someone might feel pressured by the WAY you are asking, and feel as though they can't say no. you're being a creep, so you get labeled as such.
2: the person in question is WAY too uptight, and why you would concern yourself over them thinking that you're a creep is beyond me.
at the end of the day is is dishonest to try to be ambiguous about your intentions. that would make you a creep in more people's books than being polite, confident, direct, and honest.
oh no. i generally pass on all spare hot women to those deserving around me. i don't Bogart. you needn't be in the friend zone to get this perk... it's just what i do.
My statistical inference (with apologies to xkcd) is that you are some fat cow desperate for sex with any guy, and so not representative of the typical female's mind. Sorry, but that's the only way I can account for such bizarre advice. Like I said before, I'm willing to test these theories against the real world. Are you? first off, let me explain that I work in neurosurgery research, but on the side, I own a sex club. i couldn't be desperate for sex if i tried. in fact, someone who WAS a horrid fat cow would still get laid with regularity if they wanted to be.
i also never claimed i was the majority. but i am certainly not alone. there are lots of abnormal women who would rather you just came the hell out with it instead of pussy footing around.
you try whatever test you'd like to disprove my hypothesis. i'll wait to see your peer-reviewed results.
why would i be offended by someone who advocates being KIND and having an equal partnership? were actually on the same page, you and I.
the only qualifier i would add to your post is that we're not ALL man-hating bitches. there are a few nice girls left in the states. some of us want to move to canada, perhaps. some of us are even good in the sack to boot.
don't let the pile of bad apples detract from the two or three good ones still on the tree.
first, i said women are trained not to BE direct. not that they do not respond to directness.
also, maybe propositioning strangers is what you consider to be direct. that's not exactly what i had in mind. i'm thinking more of being honest about what you want. don't invite her in for coffee and then try to pin her in the stairs. maybe she just likes coffee. just ask her in. ask her if she wants to stay the night. no pressure is key. no pressure plus making an honest proposition to someone you think might be interested will drastically improve your chances when compared to psychically deduce that you're interested because you pulled their pigtails or assume they don't like you because they didn't flip their hair enough.
you are absolutely right. i have in fact mentioned this previously. i do occasionally try making the first move. it usually works well. it sometimes makes someone really uncomfortable. in my experience, once you get to a level outside of the vast majority of bullshit, it's a lot easier on both parties. i try to be as up front as possible, and most people seem pretty relieved.
i will absolutely be the first to admit that i will take the slightest perceived negative hint and run with it, thus negating any responsibility i have to make said move. but i don't skirt the issue.
it does still bug me that women are sluts, and men are successful, though.
LOL. I do get your point. Really I do. But I have two issues with your argument.
1.) ANYONE who uses a hint of sex to gain power is a manipulative bitch, and you should walk away then.
2.) If someone doesn't like you enough to not be offended if you say you're interested in them and want to know if they might have similar tendencies is NOT GOING TO SLEEP WITH YOU ANYHOW.
now as to whether I am giving you real advice based on my experience or luring you into a bear pit, nothing I say will make any difference. All I can contribute is that MY life becomes much easier when people just come the hell out with it. I don't flick my hair when I'm turned on, I've never noticed that I point my toes toward someone I'm interested in, nor am I entirely sure that I know what you mean by softening my face (I exfoliate, if that counts). If I like someone, I spend time with them. I continue to do so until I'm tired of it or I grasp that they don't really want to spend time with me. If you want to bang me, telling me that is the best and fastest way to make that happen. No, it isn't a guarantee. But not telling me does greatly decrease your chances of making it happen.
But then, why the hell would you want to sleep with me anyhow? I'm probably not even a real girl. I AM on the internet, after all.
what i actually said was that if you invite me in for coffee, i say yes or no based on whether or not i want COFFEE. not sex. if i DO want sex, and not coffee, your whole plan goes to pot.
i DO completely agree with you about women being MUCH worse about asking for what they want then men. but then society as a whole has trained us not to do that. i'm guilty of this one too.
however i don't ask for something OTHER than what i want. that shit is just confusing. and if i think maybe by coffee you might have meant sex, I'll just ASK. it usually works out fairly well. i get credit for being a lot more intuitive than i really am. as if being the owner of a uterus makes me into some sort of radar detecting sex-meter. If you like me, say so. you don't need to hit me over the head with a club and drag me off behind a bush. but maybe being a little honest might help us both out.
you're probably right. but at this point, after so many years of explaining what a pain in the ass it would be to replace their function in my life if i started sleeping with them, they'll never try. especially because i do my best to get them hot chicks whenever possible.
i have to disagree here. if you never directly ask me to sleep with you, i really will wander away thinking that you didn't want to.
now, i know that a lot of girls do NOT agree with me on this aspect, but there really are plenty of us who do concur. if you invite me up for coffee, i think that there will be coffee, which does not really include sex. if i don't happen to like coffee, and was hoping instead for sex, i might say 'no thanks' and think 'DAMMIT... i really wanted to bang him.'
maybe i'm totally off base, but for the love of god, say what you mean, mean what you say, and learn to ask for what you want. what am i, psychic?
i am an n of one, but i try to give good advice to male friends. such as "don't touch that one without a pre-nup" and "if i were you i wouldn't bang her with HIS dick". all honesty here.
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The coal was produced primarily by rotting leaves and soil, which yes, would have been under the trees.
So you have a layer of petrified leaves and trees and a layer of coal beneath it. They take out the coal and you get a really big long cave, where you can look up at the bottom of the fossil bed.
Cool stuff. Now I'm waiting patiently for someone to mention the global warming comment.
i must concur.
there is nothing natural about spandex.
Authorities need ONE of TWO things to enter your home: a warrant OR your permission. He gave authorities permission to enter for the fire, and they found illegal stuff. As far as I could tell, he wasn't even arrested. They just cleaned it up safely for him.
Now, I love science a lot more than a normal person, but in my experience, most people can barely handle some well-labeled cleaning supplies. People do incredibly irresponsible things with chemicals all of the time. You had better believe that SOME of this stuff was way out of the realm of reasonable or responsible chemical usage.
When you know you have too many cats, you can let the authorities in to take them, and do it without involving police or wasting a judge's time. Sadly, you and your friends on the internet can blow it out of proportion and complain about it, too. Just the way the cookie crumbles, I suppose.
Most of the carriers in the US charge for both incoming and outgoing calls. Call it dodgy if you like. It's simply their business model. Receiving calls will use minutes in your cellular plan just as making a call will.
If you happen to have one of the few plans that doesn't, lucky you. You still get protected by the law preventing collection agents from calling your cellular line. And that was the theory behind WHY the law exists.
Look closely at your phone bill. A cellular phone bill charges you minutes for both incoming and outgoing calls, whereas a landline will charge you only for outgoing calls.
Even though it's not the 80's, that's how they run the racket.
My understanding of WHY it was illegal to bother people on cell phones though was that it costs money to the person you're calling. Unlike landlines which only charge for outgoing calls.
Like a collection agency cannot cost you money in an attempt to collect what you owe them and likewise can't call cell lines.
At least that's the way of it in my home state.
if you honestly see no difference between NOT LYING about what you want and walking up to a stranger and asking them to have sex in an alley, then there is no hope for you to interact with normal people.
i am not now saying, nor have i ever said that anything less than full disclosure the second someone strikes you as attractive is dishonest. this is your black versus white approach. life is significantly more complex.
in your example, you asked a stranger if they wanted to go have sex with you. if that's what you wanted, i don't think that you did anything implicitly BAD. but unless that is ALL you wanted, and that your invitation to have sex somewhere private totally sums up all of your interest in someone, then you sure as hell screwed it up. you should expect that the only person who would say yes to that would be someone who had identical interests: anonymous sex in a bar bathroom, perhaps.
another point you miss is that graphically sexual conversation is something many people would consider intimate. so if the girl you like from across the bar happens to be one of those people, by asking her in the manner you proposed, you're not giving her a low-pressure proposition that she can just decline if she isn't interested. you just pushed her boundaries way past her comfort level. so she will not just say no thanks. she'll think of you as the guy who made her feel bad. she won't like you. but if you only wanted sex in the bar bathroom, then you don't really care if she doesn't want to date you.
the real issue here is that what you asked for ISN'T all you wanted. you want to establish something perhaps slightly more intimate than anonymous bar bathroom sex. so starting small talk with them is right on the money. maybe you aren't measuring them for a wedding dress in your head, but people are clearly not ONLY at extreme opposite ends of that spectrum. and if what you want is to see if someone might be tolerable to keep around for a while, then asking them for sex in the bathroom isn't really very honest either, since you clearly were interested in more than that.
my point has always been that only by asking for the actual thing you want will you find it. yes there is a certain level of asking in an appropriate fashion, but asking for something else will never get you what you were looking for.
as to the story you related, i have to call bull. according to you, you were behaving in a perfectly reasonable way, and a group of people reacted as though you were a creep. in my opinion, one of two things probably happened. 1.) you were acting like an ass, and didn't realize it. 2.) you were fine, and for whatever reason, all of these people are asses and wanted to get rid of you. if it's number 1 (and this is where many geeks fall) then the solution is to work on improving your social skills. if it's number 2, then THEY need better social skills, and no amount of smooth talking would have gotten you into their pants. they don't want you around, and at least they told you to leave and gave you a bad excuse instead of lying to the cops to say you raped a chick. take the hint and leave them alone.
some people suck. they're crappy people, and they treat other people with disdain for bad reasons. did you want to sleep with one of them? i can't understand why, but good luck with it. try being rich and good looking. but if you want decent people around you, then you shouldn't worry too much about the people who follow the high school pecking order of social interactions. they suck.
honestly, there is a lot more to EVERY situation than black and white. people don't operate only in binary.
yet another point where this ceased to be a conversation and turned into your soapbox for how women are evil and hateful and out to get you.
*I* said be honest about what your intentions are, so that the person you're interacting with can give you an honest answer.
YOU said lewd.
*I* said that people who can't appreciate your honesty, and even a certain amount of awkwardness along with it, aren't worth your concern.
YOU interpreted this as "go rape girls... pshaw, who cares what THEY think".
YOU said that people thought you were coming on too strong and were a physical threat to them.
*I* said you probably were creepy, if that was the case.
i'm sorry that you don't like my answers, but there they are. maybe YOU don't my original advice. maybe you are an overbearing ass. maybe you wouldn't be mistaken for a "Nice Guy" in a hundred years.
but for the rest of them out there, those of you who can take a reasonable statement like "be honest and direct about what you want" for what it is and not jump to the rape conclusion, use it to your heart's content. or don't. no apology needed.
actually, i had just given up on your ability to rise above being bitter and unreasonable. good luck with that.
who other than them gets to make that call? it really is their opinion that matters.
fair enough. i would also not want to keep someone around who was a sucking black hole of emotion and energy.
i think i can confidently say that my friend-and-only-friend guys think i'm worth their time. otherwise i'm not sure why they'd keep me around.
does it somehow hurt you to be a friend to a women? It doesn't even have to be about a romantic problem. everyone wants some advice at times, an outside opinion. maybe it's sexist of me, but having a guy's opinion is very helpful. it's not as though i'm taking advantage of their MD in psychiatry to get free therapy. why else do people have friends, other than to have enjoyable people in their lives and some sort of support system?
wow. way to take a perfectly reasonable conversation and turn it into me advocating rape. that was spectacular.
if you need a step by step instruction manual in how not to be a creep, you should probably start with a basic social skills class. a lot of ADD/ADHD clinics offer them.
my set of basic tips would have to start with you. you have to know what you want. if what you want is a drunken hook up with someone you just met at a bar, then you approach the problem differently than if you want to flirt with a girl at a party and maybe eventually date.
talking to people is usually a good way to interact with them without making them uncomfortable. and if it DOES make people uncomfortable when you are just conversing with them, i have news for you. you are creepy. you lack the social skills to interact with other humans. you send messages you don't mean to and don't send messages when you want to. the dog who never learns to wag his tail when he's happy doesn't get pet very often.
take heart. these are learned skills. i guarantee you that if multiple people think you were posing some sort of "physical threat", then it wasn't a conclusion they all spontaneously jumped to or were coerced into agreeing with. maybe you stare. maybe you stand way too close to people. maybe you touched people (in an innocent way, i'm talking here) too much... like shaking hands too long.
in any case, i don't see anything i have said to give you "proof" that you 'all women are the devil and are out to get me' theory. i am SO sorry that you are so bad at logic.
try not being so creepy. it will probably help.
1: you are a creep. you make people feel uncomfortable. someone might feel pressured by the WAY you are asking, and feel as though they can't say no. you're being a creep, so you get labeled as such.
2: the person in question is WAY too uptight, and why you would concern yourself over them thinking that you're a creep is beyond me.
at the end of the day is is dishonest to try to be ambiguous about your intentions. that would make you a creep in more people's books than being polite, confident, direct, and honest.
oh no. i generally pass on all spare hot women to those deserving around me. i don't Bogart. you needn't be in the friend zone to get this perk... it's just what i do.
i also never claimed i was the majority. but i am certainly not alone. there are lots of abnormal women who would rather you just came the hell out with it instead of pussy footing around.
you try whatever test you'd like to disprove my hypothesis. i'll wait to see your peer-reviewed results.
why would i be offended by someone who advocates being KIND and having an equal partnership? were actually on the same page, you and I.
the only qualifier i would add to your post is that we're not ALL man-hating bitches. there are a few nice girls left in the states. some of us want to move to canada, perhaps. some of us are even good in the sack to boot.
don't let the pile of bad apples detract from the two or three good ones still on the tree.
first, i said women are trained not to BE direct. not that they do not respond to directness.
also, maybe propositioning strangers is what you consider to be direct. that's not exactly what i had in mind. i'm thinking more of being honest about what you want. don't invite her in for coffee and then try to pin her in the stairs. maybe she just likes coffee. just ask her in. ask her if she wants to stay the night. no pressure is key. no pressure plus making an honest proposition to someone you think might be interested will drastically improve your chances when compared to psychically deduce that you're interested because you pulled their pigtails or assume they don't like you because they didn't flip their hair enough.
you are absolutely right. i have in fact mentioned this previously. i do occasionally try making the first move. it usually works well. it sometimes makes someone really uncomfortable. in my experience, once you get to a level outside of the vast majority of bullshit, it's a lot easier on both parties. i try to be as up front as possible, and most people seem pretty relieved.
i will absolutely be the first to admit that i will take the slightest perceived negative hint and run with it, thus negating any responsibility i have to make said move. but i don't skirt the issue.
it does still bug me that women are sluts, and men are successful, though.
LOL. I do get your point. Really I do. But I have two issues with your argument.
1.) ANYONE who uses a hint of sex to gain power is a manipulative bitch, and you should walk away then.
2.) If someone doesn't like you enough to not be offended if you say you're interested in them and want to know if they might have similar tendencies is NOT GOING TO SLEEP WITH YOU ANYHOW.
now as to whether I am giving you real advice based on my experience or luring you into a bear pit, nothing I say will make any difference. All I can contribute is that MY life becomes much easier when people just come the hell out with it. I don't flick my hair when I'm turned on, I've never noticed that I point my toes toward someone I'm interested in, nor am I entirely sure that I know what you mean by softening my face (I exfoliate, if that counts). If I like someone, I spend time with them. I continue to do so until I'm tired of it or I grasp that they don't really want to spend time with me. If you want to bang me, telling me that is the best and fastest way to make that happen. No, it isn't a guarantee. But not telling me does greatly decrease your chances of making it happen.
But then, why the hell would you want to sleep with me anyhow? I'm probably not even a real girl. I AM on the internet, after all.
what i actually said was that if you invite me in for coffee, i say yes or no based on whether or not i want COFFEE. not sex. if i DO want sex, and not coffee, your whole plan goes to pot.
i DO completely agree with you about women being MUCH worse about asking for what they want then men. but then society as a whole has trained us not to do that. i'm guilty of this one too.
however i don't ask for something OTHER than what i want. that shit is just confusing. and if i think maybe by coffee you might have meant sex, I'll just ASK. it usually works out fairly well. i get credit for being a lot more intuitive than i really am. as if being the owner of a uterus makes me into some sort of radar detecting sex-meter. If you like me, say so. you don't need to hit me over the head with a club and drag me off behind a bush. but maybe being a little honest might help us both out.
you're probably right. but at this point, after so many years of explaining what a pain in the ass it would be to replace their function in my life if i started sleeping with them, they'll never try. especially because i do my best to get them hot chicks whenever possible.
it's ALMOST worth posting my phone number on the internet.
ALMOST.
i have to disagree here. if you never directly ask me to sleep with you, i really will wander away thinking that you didn't want to.
now, i know that a lot of girls do NOT agree with me on this aspect, but there really are plenty of us who do concur. if you invite me up for coffee, i think that there will be coffee, which does not really include sex. if i don't happen to like coffee, and was hoping instead for sex, i might say 'no thanks' and think 'DAMMIT... i really wanted to bang him.'
maybe i'm totally off base, but for the love of god, say what you mean, mean what you say, and learn to ask for what you want. what am i, psychic?
i am an n of one, but i try to give good advice to male friends. such as "don't touch that one without a pre-nup" and "if i were you i wouldn't bang her with HIS dick". all honesty here.
THANK YOU.
i'll take an older nice guy over a young bad boy any day of the week.
or an older bad boy over a young bad boy, come to think of it.
even an older nice guy over a young nice guy.
young nice guy seems to win out over older bad boy too, but the sample size there is too small for me to prove statistical significance.