Without getting into the whole debate over the petroleum used to actually produce it, ethylene does not have to come from petroleum, it can also be derived, for instance, from corn. My point to the original poster was, though, that this is not the type of "plastic" he's thinking of, that is, something derived solely from petroleum.
As for palladium, no it doesn't grow on trees. But, like with ethylene, perhaps they can find a better "glue" as experimentation continues.
I'm excited, not by what this can do, but by the concept itself. Imagine if, instead of using montmorillonite clay and polyvinyl acetate, they used bucky tubes and a stronger polymer and instead of just making sheets, twisted those sheets into strands. Might just work for a space elevator.
This is not the plastic you're thinking of. It's layers of montmorillonite clay, which is naturally occuring (Hydrated Sodium Calcium Aluminum Magnesium Silicate Hydroxide) and polyvinyl alcohol (the glue). Polyvinyl alcohol is derived from vinyl acetate, which in turn is made with ethylene and acetic acid with oxygen and a palladium catalyst. Petroleum is not necessary in any of these steps.
What's important to consider, though, is not what this is currently made from, but that it is a test bed for other materials. Imagine if, instead of using the montmorillonite clay, they used bucky tubes...what about a stronger polymer? This is a proof of concept, not the be-all and end-all application.
Your original comment was "they're meant for zero atmosphere", which I took to mean that we're discussing fictional machines as though they were real. Of course it's a rather poor design for atmospheric flight, but then the folks who came up with them weren't engineers. My response was just to clarify what they were "meant" for, not whether they would actually work in the real world.
The X-Wing is designed to be an atmospheric craft as well as a space craft, there are several times in the movies where one is flown to the surface of a planet.
Hell, I'll give him $2500. How can someone be capable of evading security, not only getting onto the lot, but getting the stuff off, and be so stupid to only ask for such a paltry sum for his loot? And then he tries to sell it to news people, who, surprise, contact the studio to say, "WTF, mate?". You have to move that kind of thing on the down low, not sell it to some internet news site. After all of that he goes and hangs out at The Standard? The Standard? Fer fuxake, why didn't he just walk down Hollywood Blvd. with a sign saying "Hi, I stole a bunch of stuff from Indiana Jones 4, anyone want to buy it?"
Wow, that makes a big difference, thanks. But still, I believe that more people will use Linux as more applications and hardware support is added, more people will use their mobile devices as more content is targeted to that platform.
I am a mobile user, I have a Motorola Q and an unlimited access plan. I can access quite a few sites and some of them, Google for instance, even seem to be set up to recognize that I am accessing them from a mobile device. Most, however, are not. While I can still browse eBay, Wikipedia or Slashdot even, the formatting leaves a lot to be desired. eBay is full of gigantic graphics and Wikipedia and Slashdot both format the text like this:
Why
Japan
Leads
the
Mobile
World
Posted
by
Zonk
on
Thursday
September
27,
@01:06PM
from the always-on-the-move dept.
So while I can use my mobile device to get some news and for navigation using special mobile ready apps like Google Mobile Maps, until I can access the sites that I find most relevant I'm still tied to a PC.
Okay, Chet, calm down. First of all, FTFA stands for "From The Fucking Article", so my comment was "here's a doc from the article", not instruction for you to do anything. Secondly, I didn't say the guy was a martyr, saint, or anything else, you asked if there was any evidence that this had actually happened and I pointed out the document. At the bottom of that document is the number for his attorney and the name of the prosecutor. If you really wanted to make sure this was legit, you could contact either of them. I'm quite certain that if you discovered this was a scam, you'd get your fifteen minutes of Slashdot fame. And finally, FTFA, he didn't donate the money to a university, he donated it to the ACLU, the American Civil Liberties Union.
Ghost + Ghost Walker...I used to do it all with a single 1.44MB floppy. Connect back to a Novell box and dump the image, then reset the SID with Ghost Walker. As easy as inserting a disk, hitting a couple of keys and then moving on to the next box. I could do a hundred or more in an hour by myself and, with help, imaged almost a thousand in a single night.
I'm having difficulty here, you mentioned four pricks:
1. The customer
2. The store
3. The officer
4. ?????
Who's the fourth? It's not me, is it? Aw, dammit...
How's The Service looks close, but anything like that requires that people use it. Slashdot wields power, not because of what it intrinsically is (a tech news aggregation site), but because of the people who come here.
America is one nation under a Constitution. Although the Constitution sets up a representative democracy, it specifically was amended with the Bill of Rights in 1791 to uphold individual and minority rights. On constitutional matters we do not have majority rule. For example, when the majority in certain localities voted to segregate blacks, this was declared illegal. The Constitution is the foundation for law in this country, just because people vote in politicians who will do what they want it doesn't mean they can contravene that document.
Where did you get your figures? I ask because I'd be interested in reading more. What is the cultivation rate? Is that 202 gallons per acre per year? Per season?
The roots can be ground to use as a thickener in soups and stews, the young leaves can be used like any other greens, and the flowers can be used to make jelly. Additionally, it can be processed into soap, lotion, paper, and cloth. It helps fight erosion and can also be used for animal feed.
This sounds like what they are doing in more arid regions with Jojoba , which is similar in that is grows in places other plants won't, requires little water and produces an oil that can power diesel engines.
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Without getting into the whole debate over the petroleum used to actually produce it, ethylene does not have to come from petroleum, it can also be derived, for instance, from corn. My point to the original poster was, though, that this is not the type of "plastic" he's thinking of, that is, something derived solely from petroleum.
As for palladium, no it doesn't grow on trees. But, like with ethylene, perhaps they can find a better "glue" as experimentation continues.
I'm excited, not by what this can do, but by the concept itself. Imagine if, instead of using montmorillonite clay and polyvinyl acetate, they used bucky tubes and a stronger polymer and instead of just making sheets, twisted those sheets into strands. Might just work for a space elevator.
This is not the plastic you're thinking of. It's layers of montmorillonite clay, which is naturally occuring (Hydrated Sodium Calcium Aluminum Magnesium Silicate Hydroxide) and polyvinyl alcohol (the glue). Polyvinyl alcohol is derived from vinyl acetate, which in turn is made with ethylene and acetic acid with oxygen and a palladium catalyst. Petroleum is not necessary in any of these steps.
What's important to consider, though, is not what this is currently made from, but that it is a test bed for other materials. Imagine if, instead of using the montmorillonite clay, they used bucky tubes...what about a stronger polymer? This is a proof of concept, not the be-all and end-all application.
Your original comment was "they're meant for zero atmosphere", which I took to mean that we're discussing fictional machines as though they were real. Of course it's a rather poor design for atmospheric flight, but then the folks who came up with them weren't engineers. My response was just to clarify what they were "meant" for, not whether they would actually work in the real world.
The X-Wing is designed to be an atmospheric craft as well as a space craft, there are several times in the movies where one is flown to the surface of a planet.
Hell, I'll give him $2500. How can someone be capable of evading security, not only getting onto the lot, but getting the stuff off, and be so stupid to only ask for such a paltry sum for his loot? And then he tries to sell it to news people, who, surprise, contact the studio to say, "WTF, mate?". You have to move that kind of thing on the down low, not sell it to some internet news site. After all of that he goes and hangs out at The Standard? The Standard? Fer fuxake, why didn't he just walk down Hollywood Blvd. with a sign saying "Hi, I stole a bunch of stuff from Indiana Jones 4, anyone want to buy it?"
Wow, that makes a big difference, thanks. But still, I believe that more people will use Linux as more applications and hardware support is added, more people will use their mobile devices as more content is targeted to that platform.
I am a mobile user, I have a Motorola Q and an unlimited access plan. I can access quite a few sites and some of them, Google for instance, even seem to be set up to recognize that I am accessing them from a mobile device. Most, however, are not. While I can still browse eBay, Wikipedia or Slashdot even, the formatting leaves a lot to be desired. eBay is full of gigantic graphics and Wikipedia and Slashdot both format the text like this:
Why
Japan
Leads
the
Mobile
World
Posted
by
Zonk
on
Thursday
September
27,
@01:06PM
from the always-on-the-move dept.
So while I can use my mobile device to get some news and for navigation using special mobile ready apps like Google Mobile Maps, until I can access the sites that I find most relevant I'm still tied to a PC.
According to TFA, eBay is contacting all of the users that were listed.
Everything else should be second
Don't you mean fourth?
That gives you three months to make all the copies you're going to need.
Okay, Chet, calm down. First of all, FTFA stands for "From The Fucking Article", so my comment was "here's a doc from the article", not instruction for you to do anything. Secondly, I didn't say the guy was a martyr, saint, or anything else, you asked if there was any evidence that this had actually happened and I pointed out the document. At the bottom of that document is the number for his attorney and the name of the prosecutor. If you really wanted to make sure this was legit, you could contact either of them. I'm quite certain that if you discovered this was a scam, you'd get your fifteen minutes of Slashdot fame. And finally, FTFA, he didn't donate the money to a university, he donated it to the ACLU, the American Civil Liberties Union.
Thanks for the reminder, I just re-signed up. Can you post this story again in five years so I'll remember to do it then to?
Ghost + Ghost Walker...I used to do it all with a single 1.44MB floppy. Connect back to a Novell box and dump the image, then reset the SID with Ghost Walker. As easy as inserting a disk, hitting a couple of keys and then moving on to the next box. I could do a hundred or more in an hour by myself and, with help, imaged almost a thousand in a single night.
The fact is, most of the wonders of modern science were predicted in the writings of people like Asimov, Heinlein, Bradbury, Wells, and Clarke.
I'm having difficulty here, you mentioned four pricks:
1. The customer
2. The store
3. The officer
4. ?????
Who's the fourth? It's not me, is it? Aw, dammit...
How's The Service looks close, but anything like that requires that people use it. Slashdot wields power, not because of what it intrinsically is (a tech news aggregation site), but because of the people who come here.
Well, there is the .Pdf of the legal release, FTFA.
If you go back and read what I wrote, you'll notice that I said the Constitution favors the rights of the individual, not the majority.
America is one nation under a Constitution. Although the Constitution sets up a representative democracy, it specifically was amended with the Bill of Rights in 1791 to uphold individual and minority rights. On constitutional matters we do not have majority rule. For example, when the majority in certain localities voted to segregate blacks, this was declared illegal. The Constitution is the foundation for law in this country, just because people vote in politicians who will do what they want it doesn't mean they can contravene that document.
could you suggest a better alternative to the opposite of Evil?
Moral?
I think I can smell the servers burning from here...
Where did you get your figures? I ask because I'd be interested in reading more. What is the cultivation rate? Is that 202 gallons per acre per year? Per season?
The roots can be ground to use as a thickener in soups and stews, the young leaves can be used like any other greens, and the flowers can be used to make jelly. Additionally, it can be processed into soap, lotion, paper, and cloth. It helps fight erosion and can also be used for animal feed.
This sounds like what they are doing in more arid regions with Jojoba , which is similar in that is grows in places other plants won't, requires little water and produces an oil that can power diesel engines.