However, IMO, you really have to expose a "dirty" secret to get that type of treatment. The problem is that "dirty secrets" are all over the place and you could accidentally expose one and you are toast. Of course there are at least two types of "dirty secrets" the first is "embarrassment" and the second is "you told a secret you weren't supposed to". There may be a third but is obtuse and it its only happens when you expose a secret agent. But that is for another discussion.
IF Cheney and Bush were still in office, I think water boarding would be more likely because if its ever photographed they would claim its not Torture D
So, if a doctor says drink this and go for a fast ride in a say race car and the drink is alcohol and the patient dies. You would say OK well he is not in pain anymore. The doctor did a good job?
I know its stretching the point but when it comes down to it that is what is happening here. The doctor is essentially giving bad advice.
The problem is: "In my opinion, it's perfectly ethical to try all kinds of weird stuff to patients that are otherwise absolutely damned to die soon from a terminal disease. As long as the procedure and it's results are freely chosen by the patient and duly noted, evaluated by the doctor - and only if no procedure that doesn't show results is repeated beyond a small confidence interval." Patients(mostly) really do not have a realistic idea if a treatment is really valid or not. So you end up with a patient that is willing to try *ANYTHING*. Even if you tell a patient the operation/procedure whatever is experimental they are are basically desperate and willing to try anything. The issue is (I believe) is the doctor over selling his/her treatment. When it gets into this area the shades of grey become important. People in desperate (life ending situations) are willing to try anything, just how fair is it to hype one treatment over another treatment, when the patient will do just about anything. The patient cannot (I maintain) give an informed consent given the above. Medical people have to maintain neutrality in suggesting any treatment. I suspect that the patient heard about the treatment (perhaps from the Internet) and (like anything on the Internet) was hearing great things and no opposing opinions. Doctors are sworn (at least in the US) to do no harm to the patient. I wonder if the doctors in Thailand have the same oath and are they regulated like the AMA here in the US?
I would rather pay $7 for a good cup of coffee at Starbucks, than nothing at Mcdonalds for a coffee that is not fit to drink. The people at McDonlald's seem to think they can pass left over coffee grounds and call it a lattee and charge a few bucks.
While it is certainly true the US provided asylum to German intellectuals, I would say it was more of a humanitarian reason than to get people to help us to research on nuclear research.
Although there might have been a small sub motive, to get German nuclear scientists, I would guess it was just a by-product. As it turned out a very fortunate one, indeed.
Overall, unless a memo turns up we can only guess at the real motives. The mixed signals the US was sending out about asylum with the ship carrying German refugees before the war (sorry my memory is gone as to its name).
I am not asserting you are wrong but there are (or were) other reasons for attracting German intellectuals.
tsm: That is the major issue in most case "if the boss is competent" More and more people are getting promoted because they are at the top of their pay grade and it really does take a different person than a techie to be a manager. The problem is that when companies do that they shoot themselves in the foot and do so much harm to the poor staff that has to retrain a rookie that they get overburden with more work as the new boss cannot do the basics.
Companies are just killing themselves doing this. IBM is a very good example of this. Over the last say 30 years IBM has dropped education discounts to schools, the results are that now there are are a shortage of people that will work with IBM software (except in foreign countries like India). IBM has brought in the pimply faced comp science kids and they have managed in 10 years to screw up IBM's flag ship product COBOL so bad they will never recover. You will see more and more companies deserting the mainframe as they cannot find talent because of the short sighted management people from 30+ years ago. The pimply faced comp science kids have had their hand directly into to the decline by sending poorly tested and bad code and not going by IBM's own packaging rules that it is a utter disgrace.
I will not go into documentation that has gone down hill so badly it is is past disgraceful it is as bad as Microsoft's "documentation".
IBM used to be the best in the world at hardware and software and now they are gasping for air in hopes to survive. Every 6 months you see big layoff's because management couldn't code their way out of a 1 instruction loop.
So if you are Mr/Ms/Mr/Miss etc etc average you would not be picked out? That is like saying any man that have a beard are potential terrorist? Or if you must you have a person that is afraid someone is tailing them and they keep looking around and they are a terrorist? Off hand it takes an afternoon of training (if that much) to teach terrorist on how not to look like a terrorist (like they do not get that training already). Its one thing to say gee that man is carrying a rifle so he must be a terrorist (never mind the idiots who wanted to have it legalize to carry rifles in the airports) to a nervous or some individual that fit some profile, OOPS that is ILLEGAL in the US to profile people isn't it. Now I will admit a lot of the above is nonsense, and what makes it worse the TSA people couldn't catch a person they are cuff linked to, so you expect the same expertise to watch people and make that decision? I can just see it now NUN arrested for adjusting her habit as she gained a few pounds while she was in Italy. After all she could be readying her rosary beads to fight the evil's of the TSA off! I suspect a computer could do a lot better job at facial recognition than any human (especially trained at the TSA) at identifying a person of interest.
If the police can tape arrests or interviews or any other activity that they do on a day to day basis there is no(1) reason on earth that they should not be tapes by whoever wants to.
I had a stroke about 10 years ago and I use spell checkers quite a bit as a result. I can tell you that spell checkers are reasonably good but they are just way off the mark when you just do not have any clue as to what word you are really attempting to use.
The spell checker that is built-in to macs are reasonably OK but there are many many words it just does not have a clue on. Of course there are times when I am not sure wither and i have to ask a friend which word to use (and its spelling). I have seen similar behavior in other word processors so the issue is just not with macs. I have a Merriam Webster application (for Macs) and that is plainly worse than the Mac version. I suspect that it is because the English language is so darn complicated. The rules are way to complicated and it is not so surprising that people from other than English speaking nations have such a difficult time with learning English.
Take for example a simple word link "WIND" it can either be fast flowing air or an action to wind the clock (and maybe a few others as well). Now having a unique word for each possibility would be murder for everyone. I do not know what the answer is but there should be one out there .
err "Keynote and Pages replace 99.99% of what most office workers due in PowerPoint and Word"
I am a MAC (or is it Mac the OCD people have fits if it isn't "correct") user and as much as I hate MS I cannot get pages to work as a word processor. SImple things like deleting a page just cannot be done simply. I worked an hour on it and I gave up. To get around the issue I just print from page 1 to page 2. page 3 is blank and I will not say it is impossible to delete I just cannot get it to go away. Now in Word Perfect it would be easy, WORD I do not know as I wouldn't let my computer near any MS product. So I cannot honestly say it would be easier or harder in WORD. I do remember to do something easy in Word Perfect, I had to go through 4 or 5 steps to do the same in word, so just on that level WP is simple compared to other word processors. But to get back to the original issue please do not equate Pages with any word processing program.
What is not brought out in the article (I think) is that every school in the nation will use those books.
It is bad enough that the damage they do would be for Texans but to inflict this on all the other school, it is dangerously close to propaganda instead of learning.
Well the Republicans think the opposite of the Democrats. So whenever Democrats are in control the Republicans think the end is nigh. When the Republicans are in control the Democrats expect to be treated like the Jews were in Nazi Germany. They are both wrong/right.
If you can find one single case to back up your supposition then let us hear it.
Society in general, does not want crime. The wardens and criminal justice system have little or no vested interest in criminal recidivism. Lawyers on the other hand... well we all know lawyers are the scum of society. That might be the "proof" you need though.
I agree it is not too bad if it is only during the retrial.
Having said that... About 15 years ago I was up for jury selection. After a couple of questions I was excluded from jury duty in this one case as apparently I worked in the IT department of the hospital where the patient was treated for dog bites. The lawyer thought I could get access to the patients records. I thought it was ridiculous as I had zero access to any patient records. Heck I couldn't even sign on to the system. Go figure.
Yes there are quite a few out there screaming to toss their money at Apple. I am a growing segment that has put their foot in cement and said enough is enough. Support the computers you have and the siftware you have and take a small breath and just say "NO" to Steve and his crazies.
With the supreme court ruling that corporations are "people" so they have the right to spend all the money they have on bribes to politicians the only way to stop that is to have a revolutions to kill off all corporations. Maybe then we have a Bastille day with a real guillotine to cut some real head off.
I don't think so you are elevating the police to a level that can actually play sports. When is the last time you saw an underweight (or even at weight policeman?). When was the last time you saw a policeman that couldn't resist a donut stand? Most jocks are not overweight as the coach would not allow them to play. Yet the police routinely get sent out on a daily basis even though they are either obese or way over weight.
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Sometimes it does seem that way doesn't it?
However, IMO, you really have to expose a "dirty" secret to get that type of treatment. The problem is that "dirty secrets" are all over the place and you could accidentally expose one and you are toast. Of course there are at least two types of "dirty secrets" the first is "embarrassment" and the second is "you told a secret you weren't supposed to". There may be a third but is obtuse and it its only happens when you expose a secret agent. But that is for another discussion.
IF Cheney and Bush were still in office, I think water boarding would be more likely because if its ever photographed they would claim its not Torture D
So, if a doctor says drink this and go for a fast ride in a say race car and the drink is alcohol and the patient dies. You would say OK well he is not in pain anymore. The doctor did a good job?
I know its stretching the point but when it comes down to it that is what is happening here. The doctor is essentially giving bad advice.
Well say if you were dying and the amount of pain increases 300 percent because of bad treatment, what then?
Sorry, experimental should not be used in hail mary situations like you suggested.
The patient *could* end up in so bad a pain they probably wish they had died. Then how do you handle that?
The problem is:
"In my opinion, it's perfectly ethical to try all kinds of weird stuff to patients that are otherwise absolutely damned to die soon from a terminal disease. As long as the procedure and it's results are freely chosen by the patient and duly noted, evaluated by the doctor - and only if no procedure that doesn't show results is repeated beyond a small confidence interval."
Patients(mostly) really do not have a realistic idea if a treatment is really valid or not. So you end up with a patient that is willing to try *ANYTHING*. Even if you tell a patient the operation/procedure whatever is experimental they are are basically desperate and willing to try anything.
The issue is (I believe) is the doctor over selling his/her treatment. When it gets into this area the shades of grey become important. People in desperate (life ending situations) are willing to try anything, just how fair is it to hype one treatment over another treatment, when the patient will do just about anything. The patient cannot (I maintain) give an informed consent given the above.
Medical people have to maintain neutrality in suggesting any treatment. I suspect that the patient heard about the treatment (perhaps from the Internet) and (like anything on the Internet) was hearing great things and no opposing opinions. Doctors are sworn (at least in the US) to do no harm to the patient. I wonder if the doctors in Thailand have the same oath and are they regulated like the AMA here in the US?
If you can't taste the difference in coffee's then maybe Mcdonald's is just your cup of tea. :D
I would rather pay $7 for a good cup of coffee at Starbucks, than nothing at Mcdonalds for a coffee that is not fit to drink.
The people at McDonlald's seem to think they can pass left over coffee grounds and call it a lattee and charge a few bucks.
Commodore64:
While it is certainly true the US provided asylum to German intellectuals, I would say it was more of a humanitarian reason than to get people to help us to research on nuclear research.
Although there might have been a small sub motive, to get German nuclear scientists, I would guess it was just a by-product. As it turned out a very fortunate one, indeed.
Overall, unless a memo turns up we can only guess at the real motives. The mixed signals the US was sending out about asylum with the ship carrying German refugees before the war (sorry my memory is gone as to its name).
I am not asserting you are wrong but there are (or were) other reasons for attracting German intellectuals.
tsm: That is the major issue in most case "if the boss is competent" More and more people are getting promoted because they are at the top of their pay grade and it really does take a different person than a techie to be a manager. The problem is that when companies do that they shoot themselves in the foot and do so much harm to the poor staff that has to retrain a rookie that they get overburden with more work as the new boss cannot do the basics.
Companies are just killing themselves doing this. IBM is a very good example of this. Over the last say 30 years IBM has dropped education discounts to schools, the results are that now there are are a shortage of people that will work with IBM software (except in foreign countries like India). IBM has brought in the pimply faced comp science kids and they have managed in 10 years to screw up IBM's flag ship product COBOL so bad they will never recover. You will see more and more companies deserting the mainframe as they cannot find talent because of the short sighted management people from 30+ years ago. The pimply faced comp science kids have had their hand directly into to the decline by sending poorly tested and bad code and not going by IBM's own packaging rules that it is a utter disgrace.
I will not go into documentation that has gone down hill so badly it is is past disgraceful it is as bad as Microsoft's "documentation".
IBM used to be the best in the world at hardware and software and now they are gasping for air in hopes to survive. Every 6 months you see big layoff's because management couldn't code their way out of a 1 instruction loop.
Mr. Freeman said: "SPOT has been proven ineffective. Searches are partially effective. How can you say that only SPOT has any chance of success?"
Three letters "TSA" AS THE SAYING GOES IF THERE IS A BOMB IN THE AIRPORT CHANCES ARE TSA would not know about it.
TSA = Three Stooges of America.
So if you are Mr/Ms/Mr/Miss etc etc average you would not be picked out? That is like saying any man that have a beard are potential terrorist?
Or if you must you have a person that is afraid someone is tailing them and they keep looking around and they are a terrorist?
Off hand it takes an afternoon of training (if that much) to teach terrorist on how not to look like a terrorist (like they do not get that training already).
Its one thing to say gee that man is carrying a rifle so he must be a terrorist (never mind the idiots who wanted to have it legalize to carry rifles in the airports) to a nervous or some individual that fit some profile, OOPS that is ILLEGAL in the US to profile people isn't it.
Now I will admit a lot of the above is nonsense, and what makes it worse the TSA people couldn't catch a person they are cuff linked to, so you expect the same expertise to watch people and make that decision? I can just see it now NUN arrested for adjusting her habit as she gained a few pounds while she was in Italy. After all she could be readying her rosary beads to fight the evil's of the TSA off!
I suspect a computer could do a lot better job at facial recognition than any human (especially trained at the TSA) at identifying a person of interest.
If the police can tape arrests or interviews or any other activity that they do on a day to day basis there is no(1) reason on earth that they should not be tapes by whoever wants to.
1. Except if they are undercover.
I had a stroke about 10 years ago and I use spell checkers quite a bit as a result. I can tell you that spell checkers are reasonably good but they are just way off the mark when you just do not have any clue as to what word you are really attempting to use.
The spell checker that is built-in to macs are reasonably OK but there are many many words it just does not have a clue on. Of course there are times when I am not sure wither and i have to ask a friend which word to use (and its spelling). I have seen similar behavior in other word processors so the issue is just not with macs. I have a Merriam Webster application (for Macs) and that is plainly worse than the Mac version. I suspect that it is because the English language is so darn complicated. The rules are way to complicated and it is not so surprising that people from other than English speaking nations have such a difficult time with learning English.
Take for example a simple word link "WIND" it can either be fast flowing air or an action to wind the clock (and maybe a few others as well). Now having a unique word for each possibility
would be murder for everyone.
I do not know what the answer is but there should be one out there .
Well, I want to know what the country code is for Antarctica.
err "Keynote and Pages replace 99.99% of what most office workers due in PowerPoint and Word"
I am a MAC (or is it Mac the OCD people have fits if it isn't "correct") user and as much as I hate MS I cannot get pages to work as a word processor. SImple things like deleting a page just cannot be done simply. I worked an hour on it and I gave up. To get around the issue I just print from page 1 to page 2. page 3 is blank and I will not say it is impossible to delete I just cannot get it to go away.
Now in Word Perfect it would be easy, WORD I do not know as I wouldn't let my computer near any MS product. So I cannot honestly say it would be easier or harder in WORD. I do remember to do something easy in Word Perfect, I had to go through 4 or 5 steps to do the same in word, so just on that level WP is simple compared to other word processors. But to get back to the original issue please do not equate Pages with any word processing program.
What is not brought out in the article (I think) is that every school in the nation will use those books.
It is bad enough that the damage they do would be for Texans but to inflict this on all the other school, it is dangerously close to propaganda instead of learning.
Well the Republicans think the opposite of the Democrats. So whenever Democrats are in control the Republicans think the end is nigh. When the Republicans are in control the Democrats expect to be treated like the Jews were in Nazi Germany.
They are both wrong/right.
Droopus: You are being much too cynical.
If you can find one single case to back up your supposition then let us hear it.
Society in general, does not want crime. The wardens and criminal justice system have little or no vested interest in criminal recidivism. Lawyers on the other hand... well we all know lawyers are the scum of society. That might be the "proof" you need though.
Yeah I agree.
Although it wouldn't stop Microsoft from putting out bad OS's time after time after time. They (MS) would claim its a "feature".
I agree it is not too bad if it is only during the retrial.
Having said that... About 15 years ago I was up for jury selection. After a couple of questions I was excluded from jury duty in this one case as apparently I worked in the IT department of the hospital where the patient was treated for dog bites. The lawyer thought I could get access to the patients records. I thought it was ridiculous as I had zero access to any patient records. Heck I couldn't even sign on to the system.
Go figure.
Yes there are quite a few out there screaming to toss their money at Apple.
I am a growing segment that has put their foot in cement and said enough is enough. Support the computers you have and the siftware you have and take a small breath and just say "NO" to Steve and his crazies.
With the supreme court ruling that corporations are "people" so they have the right to spend all the money they have on bribes to politicians the only way to stop that is to have a revolutions to kill off all corporations. Maybe then we have a Bastille day with a real guillotine to cut some real head off.
Now how about going after the guards and Cheney and Bush?
Yes you can thank the Patriot Act for this (and others) violation of the constitution.
Blame Bush & Cheny et al.
Police = Jocks ???
I don't think so you are elevating the police to a level that can actually play sports. When is the last time you saw an underweight (or even at weight policeman?).
When was the last time you saw a policeman that couldn't resist a donut stand? Most jocks are not overweight as the coach would not allow them to play. Yet the police routinely get sent out on a daily basis even though they are either obese or way over weight.