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Outsourcing Unit To Be Set Up In Indian Jail
littlekorea writes "Indian outsourcing firm Radiant Info Systems has found yet another way to lower wages — hiring data entry clerks from a local prison. Some 200 inmates will be paid $2.20 a day to handle manual data entry tasks for Radiant's BPO deals in a pilot for the scheme. Radiant execs told the BBC that the deal will provide skills to inmates when they are released from prison. No doubt they would also be due for a pay raise." They're going to need to cut wages if they want to be competitive with the 100,000 US prisoners who work for 25 cents an hour.
$.25 an hour x 8 hours a day=$2 a day
Seems fairly competitive to me...
"... Radiant execs told The BBC that the deal will provide skills to inmates when they are released from prison. No doubt they would also be due for a pay rise."
Yeah, the skills to improve Radiant's bottom line.
I would imagine a certain degree of integrity is required to handle third-party data. While it may not be a fair assumption, it is possible that some people involved with such a program may not be the most reliable of people...
Are they going to be careful about what kind of data they would be sharing with these inmates? Are there going to be restrictions in place to stop them from copying this data?
Will they be genuinely interested in what the weather is like where I am?
I just came home from a lovely four year stay at a fed prison. Yes, you can eventually make $.25 an hour, but you have to work up to that.
See federal (BOP) pay scales here.
FPI (UNICOR) is the prison industries. Read: slave labor for government profit. At the facility I was at there was a data processing factory, fixing bad OCR scans by entering Postscript commands.
However, anyone with any computer skills was forbidden from working there, so my job was Captain's Crew...cleaning the sidealks for half hour every day. Nice use of my MCSE, no?
"The pie shall be cut in half and each man shall receive.....death. I'll eat the pie."
Your data will be VERY safe when you hand it to those prisoners...
And India, Too! We can't leave a slave-gap open, with the Reds in China!
My Dear God. The world is back into nightmares decried by Dickens and Sinclair Lewis. If you haven't read these, I would suggest doing so. In fact, if you have, a refresh is in order.
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
Sure, let known criminals have access to customer data, once again Rocket Surgery
rears it's ugly head. Such a retarded idea. Jeeze.
Who better to digitize our identity records and health care data than criminals?
Radiant: we're a little short on staff -- think you could raise the penalty for jaywalking?
Congressman: can do!
...is less than the wages. I didn't even think they made CRTs anymore.
I understand their desire to remain relevant and competitive in the out-sourcing marketplace, but dang man, enough is enough.
Seriously. This will probably sound racist as hell, but whatever, I don't care. I'm sick to death of calling into some company for support and struggling mightily to understand the person on the other end. Sick of it. It does not do these companies any good at all to have such unpleasant customer service experiences.
I realize that English is not these folks primary language, and for it being ESL for them, they do a good job. But when I call in for support to a company "based in the US", damnit, I expect to hear a US voice.
Again, call me racist, whatever you want. I really don't give a shit at this point, I'm frigging sick of it. For companies that outsource to these places to "lower costs", you're also lowering profit, due to craptastic customer service, lack of caring, and a strict adherence to "following the script".
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If you wanted to make good use of your skills, how about getting a real job and working for a living like the rest of us instead of peddling pot or whatever got you busted?
You broke the law and suffered the consequences, you have no right to complain.
It's even worse: I'll wager (a pack of cigarettes, presumably, in the old days) that about $2.50 will buy more in an Indian prison commissary than in an American---although it _is_ a captive (ahem) audience, and the staff know how much the inmates generally earn, so I can see prices rising to meet that. But: are Indian prisons such that you have to pay extra to get anything close to decent to eat? I'm afraid of base-levels of food that might make Nutriloaf look good.
Seems to paint the picture of a very Dickensian universe, the one exception of debtor's prison. Step 1: Inmates work for free/cheap Step 2: People with regular jobs lose those jobs Step 3: People go to debtor's prison, have to work for free/cheap Step 4: Permanent lower-class The only exception is that, now, there's even more of a stigma towards people who have spent time in jail, and it's easier for employers to find out.
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I thought that some American Catalog companies were running call-centers with inmates as well in the mid '90's. Is this really new?
There are many people (include me too) here without jobs. Better get into Indian Prison and get paid $2.20. That is what these assholes wanted anyway.
Let's see $2.20 a day * 260 days a year (although I doubt they give them too many days off)
= $572 bucks a year
Let's plug it in The Global Rich list....
http://www.globalrichlist.com/
= 4,429,714,286
You are the 4,429,714,286 richest person in the world!
You're in the TOP 73.82% richest people in the world!
Oh, before anyone comments on the math:
Each unit (building) was made up of two sub-units. Four toilets per sub-unit, 8 per unit.
Wanna see the place?
"The pie shall be cut in half and each man shall receive.....death. I'll eat the pie."
And India, Too! We can't leave a slave-gap open, with the Reds in China!
My Dear God. The world is back into nightmares decried by Dickens and Sinclair Lewis. If you haven't read these, I would suggest doing so. In fact, if you have, a refresh is in order.
You might want to read a little more history and a little less historical literature.
Actual slaves were forced to work. If they didn't, they were beaten. Actual slaves were enslaved despite having committed no crime. Actual slaves had no hope of eventual freedom.
I bet you're one of the people that calls overzealous rule enforcers "Nazis," too.
Now the outsourcers will be giving our confidential banking account data to people in prison who have access to computers. Am I the only person who sees something wrong here?
*Sigh*
Why is it so hard to only have politicians for a few years, then have them go away?
It isn't often that you see an article where the British and US usages of "scheme" are BOTH correct.
... when only criminals have computers?
Wait a minute. My cubicle feels like a cell. My wardrobe is defined by Corporate Goons. At the whim of a bureaucrat, I can be sent, against my will, anywhere in the country. Many time's, I've been awakened in the middle of the night by alarms and screaming. (Usually, the voices are saying things like, "The servers are down!" or "My Email is gone!") Have I been in prison all along? That would explain some of the meetings... Well, no more! There's no cage that can hold me! I'm bustin' outta here. Here's the plan. Just after the morning scrum meeting, you throw a paper airplane to distract the guard. I'll slip under the raised floor. I've got a plastic spoon from the break room, so I'll dig a tunnel. If we do this every day for the next 40 - 50 years, we'll make it out!
After exhaustive research and excrutiating analysis, I've determined that Bubba is, in fact, everywhere.
Given the recent events on the financial markets there's great potential to expand that model to the stock and finances trading sectors. At 25c an hour even Bernie Madoff might repay his debts on day
You can't really blame him; the recidivism rate is 67.5% after all.
they can bust them down to janitor work or food services.
Slave labor, just like the good old USofA!
I killed da wabbit -Elmer Fudd
more than just a website... People will find security there... They won't mind at all... In fact you will find them trying to break in.. Hey free cable!
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Inmates watching TV all day is better then them planing to brake out / making shanks.
and there was something about that in time magazine.
So we have some prisoners and we want them to get some skills for when they leave prison.
Make them work?
Great idea!
Doing data entry?
Ok, I guess since they'll be low paid.
For banks?
Wait a second... For banks? So we'll have prisoners handling massive amounts of banking data?!!! Something tells me this won't end well. For the banking customers, that is. It might end very well for the prisoners (some side cash "earned") and Radiant (cut costs means bonuses for management).
My sci-fi novel, Ghost Thief, is now available from Amazon.com.
They just want the $75 - $200 jail costs more then that to lock some up for 30 days.
After all, everyone else in the risky Mortgage business should probably be in jail.
I sort of agree with this. The purpose of prison is to rehabilitate and keep dangerous people locked away from the rest of society. Televisions and books are pretty minor expenses to keep them pacified.
Now, unlike free society, whatever they got to watch would be censored all to hell and back if I had a say in it (things like Prison Break and The Anarchist's Cookbook would be off the menu for sure), but I'd wager that most wouldn't mind having access to watch something like PBS, the History Channel, TLC, Discovery, etc.
"People who think they know everything are very annoying to those of us who do."-Mark Twain
IMHO, any felon should be stripped of their MCSE, or any other IT or engineering certification, and not allowed to get another for at least 10 years after release ... 10 years of scraping sidewalks on the outside!
And you'll ensure that people who offend will go on to reoffend, and your precious tax dollars will go to keeping them locked up and and a net cost to everyone (instead of using that MCSE to stay out of jail, pay taxes and make the world a better place).
The single worst thing you can do to encourage someone to go straight is to remove hope that they can improve their lot. Hey, if you just got out and your lot was to scrape sidewalks while also dealing with the stress of caring for yourself with no hope of improving things, why the hell not reoffend. If you don't get away with it, your job doesn't suck any less and you don't have to worry about rent, and your life is already ruined, so fuck it.
It boggles the mind that some folks are so completely stupid about things like this the minute the word 'criminal' is uttered. And that's before we get to all of the inequities of our criminal justice system and the institutionalized perverse incentives _not_ having to do with Skapare's apparent personal interest in wasting human capital, increasing misery and wasting their tax money in order to keep people from earning an honest living.
I forget what 8 was for.
They used to spend lots of time lifting weights too. Even criminals are getting fat and lazy
> The feds have NO interest whatsoever in providing skill training, no matter what their propaganda tells you. At the FCI where I was, inmates typically slept till lunch, signed false pay sheets claiming 40 hours worked. They thought they were getting over, but it's actualy the feds, who can provide "proof" of "gainfully employed inmates."
> But it's a scam. The BOP/DOJ has a vested interest in the 75% recidivism rate..
It's used as a scam. That doesn't mean it *is* a scam. If justice knew how to lower the recidivism rate 50%, they would do it. Maybe you think they wouldn't, but realize you're seeing it from a very different POV than they are. The inside of a prison doesn't work the way that the people at Justice wish it did, and most of the exposure you get in a prison or as an inmate to people from Justice, or Feds, or even regular cops, is them trying to entrap guards or prisoners into drug deals, or the typical confession scenario. Places where cops act essentially as Judas Iscariot, as a betrayer, because that's what they're trained to do and it's what works in the short-term. But just because they betray doesn't mean they mean evil because of some screwed up incentive structure to want more money for Justice.
Maybe it's a scam for BOP, something they can sell the politicians. When you work in the field a long time, you get used to the recidivism rate, and think most people, you can't really do anything to help. But that doesn't mean they *want* that recidivism rate. There's enough bad sh*t in the world that if all the recidivists went away, you'd still be able to argue for more money for justice than the budget they have now, and there'd still be reasons for it. We have hundreds of thousands of american teens at high risk for being actually enslaved every year, with the human trafficking problem. (Sources: The Polaris Project, River of Innocents, Victor Malarek's The Natashas). Kids who survive hell and get back up again and build their lives. Children who can't build their lives because they've never known a family and they never learned how to build themselves up. There are more than enough problems for Justice. The day there's no more need for the DOJ is the day the DOJ employees have their biggest freaking party ever.
-- IANAL, this isn't legal advice, and definitely isn't legal advice for you. Also, Squee!
such as prison for marijuana use: that's stupid
however, i'm kind of sick of this tired line: "The US has 3% of the world's population and 25% of it's prison population. Numerically and per capita, we have the highest prison population on the planet"
the reason i'm sick of this line is that other countries aren't going "oh my gosh, what is wrong with the usa! so many people are in prison there!"
what those other people in other countries are saying is "man i'm thick of these thieves and murderers running around free. we need to crack down in these elements ruining our society"
in other words, other countries aren't bemoaning our high prison rates, they're bemoaning the thieves getting away scott free in their own country. high prison populations aren't necessarily a bad thing, assuming the laws make sense. it could just mean you have an efficient police and judicial system (relatively speaking), catching more crooks
lower prison populations in other countries in other words, isn't some sign of tolerance or enlightenment, its a sign of a corrupt and inefficient police/ judiciary. in those other countries with lower prison populations, you are simply talking about more assholes getting away with robbery and murder and walking around free
other people in other countries are actually envying the usa's high incarceration rate
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
I've never met a southerner who couldn't understand me, because they all watch television.
(me- California beach raised-now living on the other coast)
I've met many throughout the south, some of whom I could not comprehend because of their accent.
and I think only off the really beaten path down swamp roads in LA once did I ever meet someone who didn't comprehend me better than I did them... *(and I had no French to use)*
every day http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Random
There's absolutely no chance that convicted criminals would misuse data... I'd trust them completely with my credit card numbers!
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
of silicon shanks and other stabbing devices made from computer parts.
So, the prisoners get nothing, the jailers get all the $.
India is an amazingly corrupt country.
The outsourcing centre will handle banking information 24 hours a day using a shift system
So, let me get this straight. They're knowingly, willfully giving my banking information to known, convicted criminals for processing... This can only end well.
(things like Prison Break and The Anarchist's Cookbook would be off the menu for sure)
Maybe the second one, but really, Prison Break. Do you really think that escape plan would work in real life?
"Educate the mind but never at the expense of the soul."~Blessed Basil Moreau
Yes, industry programs in some prison systems in the US pay as little as $0.25/hour for labor, but there's a bigger factor going against the possibility of insourcing here: many prison systems limit inmate access to computers, to keep them from getting access to porn, general outside communications, and contact with victims or witnesses.
I use irony whenever I can, but my shirts are still wrinkled...
Once the entire prison system is privatized, those "high wage" jobs will disappear as prisons become the 21st Century plantations. At that point, someone in Silicon Valley will have developed a way to automate prisoners' jobs, and the private prison system will go bankrupt. We will need to bail them out for fear that they go out of business and release all their 'customers.'
One thing overlooked above, being mainly about skills, is what the effect this will have on hardware. Prisons are known to have people who are upset about being in jail and surely the hardware needs to be durable enough to handle the risk of being handled very rough. There have been devices designed to project a screen onto any surface with smart optical devices to read touches against the image, so I'd imagine such a system boxed into protective transparent window to project and get feedback from any surface inside a cell could be a means to salvation for inmates. There isn't enough options in jail, as people probably think only bad criminals are in jail, which is not true when we include the mass amount of civil jurisdictions and those held merely due to court proceedings and both possibly have never done anything criminal. This could lead to more communication with inmates, which would lead to greater justice. If you ever witnessed how all inmates in the jail process get treated nearly the same, being criminal or non-criminal, I'm sure you agree that my use of "would" is not merely a made-up prediction. Durable hardware is needed in a cell that contains either criminal or non-criminal inmates. It's bad enough there is non-criminal inmates and a better system doesn't exist to give them swift and appropriate justice due to lack of technology and communication available inmates.
They'll die before they finish their first sentence.
might i introduce you to these amazing places called africa, south america, asia? or did you think comparisons to europe was the only thing that mattered?
additionally, i don't think you're the right voice to represent the reality of crime in europe. you enjoy your coffee and brie in your upper middle class enclave, meanwhile, i'll walk around the block, to some neighborhoods you never go to and never think about, and i'll listen to what the voices i meet there say about criminality and the police in europe. how does that sound darling?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_2009_French_riots
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_civil_unrest_in_Villiers-le-Bel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_civil_unrest_in_France
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Not at all (well I guess not. I've never even watched it). I just don't think it's a good subject matter for them to be watching. Whatever they decide to do, they'll likely get caught if they try to break out. In that regard, regardless of feasibility, you won't want anything that might embolden them to TRY breaking out in the first place.
"People who think they know everything are very annoying to those of us who do."-Mark Twain
It costs the taxpayer more than that. It makes the privately owned prison a boatload of cash, though.
ASCII stupid question, get a stupid ANSI
I sort of agree with this. The purpose of prison is to rehabilitate and keep dangerous people locked away from the rest of society.
If you're writing from within the borders of the United States, you're mistaken. The current purpose of prisons is to punish and dispose of people. American society isn't interested in reform anymore.
They'll work in big souless data centers where they will be treated like less than dirt. Soon the prisons will be overcrowded as people commit crimes to get a better working environment.
This has success written all over it.
They are going to put all of our American prisoners out of work too....
Definition Penitentiary: a place for imprisonment, reformatory discipline, or punishment, esp. a prison maintained in the U.S. by a state or the federal government for serious offenders. Source: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/penitentiary
Root Word: Penance
Definition Penance: a punishment undergone in token of penitence for sin. (Source: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/penance)
The reason for a penitentiary is to make people sorry for doing something wrong to remind them not to do it again. If they were really set up to do that still, they would remove all TVs, weight rooms, suspend privileges, and impose hard labour, and corporal punishment. They would make prisons a very bad place to be so that criminals would try hard not to go back. But society is full of people who can't seem to take responsibility for their own actions any more and want to sue everyone instead of taking their lumps. Of course to maintain and justify this type of thinking, they push their thinking on others including how prisons are run now.
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seems a bummer for the Germans that there was no IT outsourcing market during World War 2, the west would likely have simply done business with them.
..that I find this HIGHLY unsurprising..
you would fit in well at a tea party rally here in the usa
when you get over your superiority complex, get back to me, then there might actually be a chance of some sort of communication
until then, you're a sad pathetic example of what is wrong with this world, europe, the usa, or anywhere else: all reactive, defensive prideful posturing in defense of your little tribe
fuck the usa, i don't care about the usa. or europe. fuck them both
i was attacking a failure in logic: that somehow the rest of the world is happy they don't have the jail occupancy rates of the usa. but go to your average brazilian favela, and you might find a different opinion of what the ideal prison population rate should be. in other words, most people in this world think the ideal incarceration rate is much higher than it is in their country currently, from seeing all the criminals running around. that most countries in this world, the low incarceration rate is due to a corrupt or apathetic police and judiciary, not some sort of enlightenment or tolerance
that's my thesis. would you like to take issue with the concepts? or would you like to engage in some more mindless ethnocentric tribal chest thumping that doesn't prvoe me wrong, but only proves you are as hopelessly provincial as sarah palin or any other arrogant american neocon?
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intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
...one of these prisoners figures out how to get access to the web, then starts doing bad things online. "We're tracking the hacker now!! Wait for it...waaaaiiittt for it! Got him!" "Where's he at?" "Um, he's already in jail, boss..."
From the start the industrial revolution flourished because of sweatshops and cheap labor. Strong unions provided some relief but we are returning to those days rapidly.
"If the world operates as one big market, every employee will compete with every person anywhere in the world who is capable of doing the same job. There are lots of them and many of them are hungry." - Andrew Grove, president of Intel Corp., in his book High Output Management
"The recent quantum leap in the ability of transnational corporations to relocate their facilities around the world in effect makes all workers, communities and countries competitors for these corporations' favor. The consequence is a 'race to the bottom' in which wages and social conditions tend to fall to the level of the most desperate." - Jeremy Brecher, historian and author
"To achieve maximum profits these transnationals will stop at nothing. After all, they are non-human institutions that must expand through ever-greater profits, or go out of business. In so doing they have shown willingness to violate human rights - particularly workers' rights - to throw millions out of work, eliminate unions, use sweat-shops and slave labor, destroy the environment, destabilize governments, install or bolster tyrants who oppress, repress, torture and kill with impunity." - Karen Talbot, Backing up Globalization with Military Might, 1999
Some one commits a crime, does time and the tax payer pays an enormous bill. In many cases, the person gets to hang out doing nothing; That doesn't sound like punishment especially when the person was living a very dangerous life outside. For the very poor, prison can be much better than their home environment. I think we should require companies that outsource manufacturing to china to use prisoner labor instead such that the prisoner is able to pay the cost of incarceration. In return, the prisoner should be allowed to work for additional income which can be used to buy get better conditions (less crowding, better health-care, better food and education). Prisons could turn inmates into productive workers at almost no cost to the public. Why are we sending billions to china to make plastic toys at the same time we're spending billions for prisoners to do nothing; it is incredibly wasteful for the taxpayer.
Indeed.
http://blog.ju29ro.com/uploaded_images/hooligans-reuters-735894.jpg
http://www.ilga-europe.org/var/ilga/storage/images/europe/photo_galleries/budapest_pride_5_july_2008/budapest_pride_2008_hooligans__5/70616-1-eng-GB/budapest_pride_2008_hooligans.jpg
http://www.awitness.org/eden2003/kosovogenlg.jpg
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/images/paris_riots_day_9.jpg
What the fuck are you rambling about?
Are you actually equalizing legal police actions in western Europe during civil riots with homophobic fascists' organized attacks on gay-pride marches and examples of Serbian war crimes in Bosnia?
As a reply to a comment disagreeing with OP's (somewhat delusional) idea of the stance Europeans have regarding USian prison and legal system?
What the fuck have you been smoking and why aren't you sharing with everyone?
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
They tried that approach already. The results were pretty bad for the guards and even the prisoners.
And no better for society.
If they really wanted to bring down prison rates, they would legalize pot and allow use of other harder drugs in a controlled locations (with stiff penalties for selling/using them outside of those locations).
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
"Not To Be Doing The Crime, If You Can't... Type At Least 50 WPM"
Anybody want a peanut?
...next time someone compares Chinese and other sweatshops with slavery.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
the colossal need to judge?
the oh-so-telling preemptory defensive stance "we really don't give a shit about the rest of europe". oh really? that's why you needed to preemptively defend europe from my global pronouncements? pfffffft. you obviously care a lot. that you need to say you don't shows your insecurity
you know, there's a funny guy from one of the countries near you, austria, by the name of freud, who started this funny field of inquiry called psychoanalysis. he would have a field day the way you practically fall over yourself, hopelessly and hilariously revealing your various inadequacies and inferiorities in spite of your sputtering attempts at superiority to them
and finally, i think a fellow swiss would be horrified at you, that such a small little angry insignificant person should assume that they speak for switzerland on the international stage about anything. when clearly you only speak for a small cold little pathetic bitter hate that has nothing to do with switzerland, europe, or even the usa, only your own poor character. i see nothing of a swiss character about you or what you say. sorry switzerland: what went wrong with this one, huh?
oh well, i guess every country needs a bottom of the bell curve
hugs and kisses!
(snicker)
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
this is flat out wrong: "The solution is to fix what causes people to commit crime"
what causes people to commit crime is the same thing that causes anyone of any socioeconomic background, from any walk of life, any culture, any country, any time period in all of human history to commit crime: failure of character
its a constant. crime always happened. crime will always happen. crime is never going away. its simply a maintenance function of society to clean up and lock away their bad seeds. there's a core amount of people who need to be locked away, in any society, or any time period, now and forever. not locking this group away simply means they commit more crimes
there is no cure for crime. some amount always seem to choose to commit crime. unless you want to propose we transgress against the concept of free will, you need to accept that there will be some who choose badly, and consequences must exist for that after the fact. there is no cure for that, ever
your current understanding of human nature is woefully naive
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
When a slave labor is used on a massive scale there will be a pressure on police and courts to provide qualified people into the system not just some bums unable to work well.
It was the case with the GULAG. Thieves, crooks, etc. are what they are because they cannot and do not like to work.
It is not that difficult to get an engineer or a skilled worker into a jail, since about 50% of prisoners are locked up due to an error anyway.
You either got nailed (rightly or wrongly) for embezzlement or some other breach of fiduciary law or taxes.
I'm leaning towards taxes.
RIP America
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So how many times in that 4 years did you have to pay for rent, food, clothes, medical care, dental care, etc.? I think if you take all that into account, it far exceeds minimum wage. A good friend of mine spent 10 years in prison and commented shortly after his release that his standard of living was higher while inside.
You are arguing in favor of Slavery. And that's not the problem. The problem is that you accept this happily. That's the problem.
And when looked at in microcosm, your brand of asshattery does make a sick kind of sense. But only fools and retards look at parts of the system out of context and draw conclusions from that point. The system as a whole was engineered so that populations will accept such insane ideas as rational.
Poverty is the reason for most so-called criminals being in prison, and Poverty is the default position for most people today because it is enforced through deliberate economic warfare and psychopathic deeds performed in government and banking. The end result is a means of having interment camps at arms length without having to take direct responsibility for putting them there.
There's a reason the U.S.A. has the highest rate of incarceration per capita in the industrialized world.
-FL
The mythbusters have tested stuff that works unlike that prison break plan.
2.25 per hour. On a set salary and then do "overtime" and taxes and other government "fees", benefit and it almost becomes that amount per hour. The only thing missing the body cavity searches.... hold it, they already to that to look for anything you take from work.
Any UK company using these services should be forced to prominently include the fact in its advertising.
Yeah... I'm talking about how they did things 100 years ago. Seems to me people had a lot more respect for each other back then. Mind you, back then parents would discipline their children if they disrespected ANYBODY. Bottom line is when there are significant consequences to your actions (you are held severely accountable for what you do), people behave more. Besides, I don't give a shit what the prisoners feel like in prison. I want them to feel bad. If they riot and cause destruction in the prison, shoot them. On the spot. The others will stop rioting right away. If they hurt a guard, kill them right on the spot. Why do they have rights? They decided to live outside the law, now pay the consequences. When you get out, you won't want to go back.
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I've never seen the show, but guys in prison have most of the day to sit around and think of how to get out. My mother in law works in a prison and they had one guy escape out the front door. He worked in the area where they would sew new prison outfits and repair old ones. The guard outfits were brown, so there was no other brown cloth on the premises. So this guy smuggles out bits of extra cloth over months, working stitching together his own prison uniform. Then he steals old tea bags (or coffee grounds) out of the kitchen and used them to dye the cloth in his toilet.
This guy managed to make an entire properly colored guard uniform, including patches and emblems, using trash and extra cloth. When he made his move, nobody realized he wasn't a guard, and they buzzed him right out the front gate.