The biggest proponents of "opensource", the linux GNU proponents, just violated a real open source license
Linux kernel developers can still take BSD code and integrate it into the linux kernel with appropriate notices. But BSD folks cannot take linux kernel code (if the wanted it:-) and put it in the BSD kernel, because most linux modules are GPL, not LGPL. This means you are only allowed to use them with other GPL type code, according to stallman.
Then they just loose business, right?
No way in hell I am going to fill out a form to read their public info.
Right. But it does no good for you to just not shop there. It is important for you to email their site designers and TELL THEM "you have lost my business because you have given me no alternative to shop without MS-passport".
Do you have any idea of the irony of what you are saying?
Taxed them up the yinger
The US has a fairly high tax rate right now. Probably comparable to that of the English taxes of the revolutionary times.
Impress people into the royal navy
The US has implemented a draft three separate times, I believe. If not more.
burn their houses and take their land
the US government has no need to burn houses, but it can and does take peoples' land from them.
Freeway development, anyone?
yeah, you get some measure of compensation. but you still dont have a CHOICE about it.
But to you it's okay, because its a tyranny of many, compared to a tyranny of a single King?
In order to find the items that sell for hundreds of dollars on eBay, you're going to have to spend hundreds of
manhours looking for them.
you're missing econimies of scale, or in this case, power.
If you have one or two killer items, it then becomes much, much easier to aquire other killer items.
Otherwise known as "it takes money to make money"
(but once you have it, many doors are opened to you)
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They knew it, too. Every man who signed that paper, every member the governments who sent them there, and every last soldier and camp follower of the armies that fought for them, were ALL guily of treason to the English Crown.
And most of them died in a worse off situation than what they were in before the revolution, and what they risked their lives to create has become just as corrupt and tax-gouging as the institution they were fighting against.
Does the engine of a car look pretty? It's covered in grease and all kinds of crap is sticking every which way, and
it doesn't make sense to the non-initiated.
Guess you need to buy newer cars, then:-)
My engine looks quite nice.
Okay, it's complicated. But everything is visibly organized and controlled, even to the uninitiated, I think.
Whereas people here are complaining that to people who KNOW how to program, a lot of the software out there looks unspeakably ugly.
(To people who dont know how to program, it would look a mess either way)
I come from a computer engineering background so I would love to see fundamentally sound software that is
clean, efficient, and fast. On the other hand, compilers are very good at optimizations these days,
Wow. It's amazing how you believe you understand the issue, and how thoroughly you do not.
So what if compilers can optimizing finding the Nth digit of PI down to 10 seconds, from 30 seconds? The real issue is, with good design, you wouldnt have been doing that computation in the first place!
Good design and good commenting/formatting skills go hand in hand. You do not usually have someone who designs (not "writes") code well, who does not format and comment well.
I dont suppose anyone reading this has any pull with the various w3c commitees?
There should have been an overhaul of javascript a long time ago. PARTICULARLY since stylesheets require javascript [Who the hell got bought out to get that one in the spec??]
There should be a subset of javascript that is only related to validating forms, playing around with formatting on the same page, etc. but has all of the secret nasty stuff like changing preferences and cookies TAKEN OUT. That that version, and only that version, could be the required scripting component for CSS, etc.
javascript could be turned into an actual force for good, instead of the deep pit of evil it is currently.
For those who've used it as well would know it's extremely an intense OS not made for anything under about 192mb ram, and a nice processor. It's CDE under x86 is like watching the thickest cement being sucked through a straw. Slow and clunky.
CDE runs quite well under 128 megs of ram.
It's what else you run, that sucks up memory to 192megs+
And anyway, why dont you compare solaris x86 running gnome, against linux running gnome, and the same applications? Now that's a valid comparison.
As has been stated, Apache is a fine example of this. You take away Apache's right to run on microsoft,
etc. operating systems
Actually, if you take away the right to run apache on microsoft... you lose almost nothing.
No sane person would run apache on MS. People who
run MS, run IIS on top of it, etc.
But losing the ability to run apache on solaris, etc. would have killed it, during initial development.
Then again, nowadays, the ultra-conservative GNU faction figure "Hey, there are now enough GNU-free OS's out there, we can finally snub the others, like we wanted to all along".
Good reason to push BSD/artistic/etc licenses instead of knee-jerk GNU licensing.
I write software that I let people freely use. (Heck, some of it is in Debian). But I want people to be able to use it on ANY platform they choose, in any fashion. Which is why I will never choose GPL as a license for any software I write and distribute.
(LGPL, on the other hand, is acceptible)
i LIKED the original episode. It was something NEW on tv.
I was looking forward to an actual techie series. With a lot of
"mission impossible" type stuff with frohike.
But then My jaw dropped on the second ep, when those BOZOS decided,
"gasp.. this is different from our cookie-cutter show...
We Must Add a "Babe" and a "Jock", or people will never watch it!"
Frigging idiots. As soon as they did that, it became more like other
shows, and I was highly LESS interested in continuing to watch it.
Not to mention the "[ultra]dumb jock" then proceeding to get more
screen time than any of the other guys.
Disksuite is not part of solaris. In fact, until later in the 2.6 lifecycle, Disksuite didn't come with
Solaris - it was a for-purchase product. It wasn't free until SUN started repacking VxVM to ship
with Solaris.
I'm not sure why you're dragging vxvm into this.
But as of solaris 8, disksuite comes with the OS -- ALL VERSIONS --, and is free. So it effectively is "part of solaris" now.
3 years ago acquiring Sun Workstations may have seemed like an interesting prospect, but now
there seem to be much more attractive choices available that cost a lot less and run faster.
Now you may as well get a sunblade 100 for $1000,
which gives you an ULTRAsparc for a comparable price as an intel box, but just a bit slower.
Now, there are simply too many packages for me to do that. I can't help but compare the rich
suite of free software on my Linux box at home to the Solaris server at work and see how much
easier it was to install SuSE 7.1 on a 20 GB ATA-100 and have loads more functionality than I
do on our Sun LAN. Things like teTeX, ghostscript, gimp, KDE and GNOME, etc. take time to
build from scratch.
WHich is why sunfreeware.com, and the "companion CD" exist.
For the latter: It's important to know that sun
seems to keep ADDING to the "companion CD".
So the one that comes with later versions of solaris, have more, and newer versions of, free software.
I'm pretty sure the Debian Sparc devel tree is pretty active.
There's a big difference between "Debian is continuing to recompile freeware apps for sparc/linux", and "Someone is continuing to do KERNEL work for sparc/linux".
People are getting worried about the lack of the latter.
You have to love math and graphs and lab science to begin with.[to get a CS degree]
I'd have to disagree. "science" in a general sort
of way... sure.
You have to have a pretty logical mind, yeah. But you dont have to love math.
I'm "good" at math. But I LOVE CODING.
This is why I got a CS degree, and I was really
pissed that they made me waste 80% of my time
with non-coding classes.
Could you PLEASE come to the realization that "microsoft or any other company"
CANNOT "close" open source BSDL'd software?
What he means is that they could do an
M$-kerberos on it. Take it, tweak it to be incompatible to external parties, and then M$ effectively gets a free, better performing proprietary filesystem, for close to zero research dollars.
there is PLENTY of buggy GPL code.
gcc 2.9, anyone?
Saying "GPL, GPL, GPL" doesnt magically make the bugs go away. Only competant coders (and testers) spending 'quality time' with the code makes them go away.
Slashdot Mirror
KSE can be described as
"Well, we've copied lots of other things from Solaris; let's copy LWPs too, but rename them so Sun doesnt sue us"
Particularly since resolution to this trial has been delayed for how long now??
I guess the "good" side of this is that by then, .NOT will make it clear exactly how deep into everyone's computers microsoft aims to be.
Linux - the not-so-open source kernel!
Yeah, but not in the US.
Funny thing about being in the "land of the free".
a lot of times, the "freedom" applies more to businesses than to people.
Right. But it does no good for you to just not shop there. It is important for you to email their site designers and TELL THEM "you have lost my business because you have given me no alternative to shop without MS-passport".
http://www.starbucks.com/customer/contact_forms.as p?nav=3i
Be fore-warned: Unfortunately, the idiots require javascript to submit this form, on top of everything else.
But I think it would definately get their attention if 20 different people contacted them with this.
NOTE: do NOT convert the above URL to a link. It will look better if they cant see the complaints all came from one place like slashdot.
Do you have any idea of the irony of what you are saying?
Taxed them up the yinger
The US has a fairly high tax rate right now. Probably comparable to that of the English taxes of the revolutionary times.
Impress people into the royal navy
The US has implemented a draft three separate times, I believe. If not more.
burn their houses and take their land
the US government has no need to burn houses, but it can and does take peoples' land from them. Freeway development, anyone?
yeah, you get some measure of compensation. but you still dont have a CHOICE about it.
But to you it's okay, because its a tyranny of many, compared to a tyranny of a single King?
you're missing econimies of scale, or in this case, power.
If you have one or two killer items, it then becomes much, much easier to aquire other killer items.
Otherwise known as "it takes money to make money" (but once you have it, many doors are opened to you)
And most of them died in a worse off situation than what they were in before the revolution, and what they risked their lives to create has become just as corrupt and tax-gouging as the institution they were fighting against.
Now doesnt that make it all worth while.
More specifically, they are supposed to be COMPLETELY INDEPENDANT!
President = "executive branch"
DoJ should be "judicial branch".
Does no one remember that this comprises two out of the three supposedly INDEPENDANT branches of the US constitutional body??
Only problem is, there's an arbitrary definition of "works", and/or "done" :-) :-) :-)
Guess you need to buy newer cars, then :-)
My engine looks quite nice.
Okay, it's complicated. But everything is visibly organized and controlled, even to the uninitiated, I think.
Whereas people here are complaining that to people who KNOW how to program, a lot of the software out there looks unspeakably ugly.
(To people who dont know how to program, it would look a mess either way)
Wow. It's amazing how you believe you understand the issue, and how thoroughly you do not.
So what if compilers can optimizing finding the Nth digit of PI down to 10 seconds, from 30 seconds? The real issue is, with good design, you wouldnt have been doing that computation in the first place!
Good design and good commenting/formatting skills go hand in hand. You do not usually have someone who designs (not "writes") code well, who does not format and comment well.
I dont suppose anyone reading this has any pull with the various w3c commitees?
There should have been an overhaul of javascript a long time ago. PARTICULARLY since stylesheets require javascript [Who the hell got bought out to get that one in the spec??]
There should be a subset of javascript that is only related to validating forms, playing around with formatting on the same page, etc. but has all of the secret nasty stuff like changing preferences and cookies TAKEN OUT. That that version, and only that version, could be the required scripting component for CSS, etc.
javascript could be turned into an actual force for good, instead of the deep pit of evil it is currently.
CDE runs quite well under 128 megs of ram. It's what else you run, that sucks up memory to 192megs+
And anyway, why dont you compare solaris x86 running gnome, against linux running gnome, and the same applications? Now that's a valid comparison.
Actually, if you take away the right to run apache on microsoft... you lose almost nothing. No sane person would run apache on MS. People who run MS, run IIS on top of it, etc.
But losing the ability to run apache on solaris, etc. would have killed it, during initial development.
Then again, nowadays, the ultra-conservative GNU faction figure "Hey, there are now enough GNU-free OS's out there, we can finally snub the others, like we wanted to all along".
Good reason to push BSD/artistic/etc licenses instead of knee-jerk GNU licensing.
I write software that I let people freely use. (Heck, some of it is in Debian). But I want people to be able to use it on ANY platform they choose, in any fashion. Which is why I will never choose GPL as a license for any software I write and distribute. (LGPL, on the other hand, is acceptible)
Get with the 1990s. the "correct" pronoun is "they"
i LIKED the original episode. It was something NEW on tv.
I was looking forward to an actual techie series. With a lot of
"mission impossible" type stuff with frohike.
But then My jaw dropped on the second ep, when those BOZOS decided,
"gasp.. this is different from our cookie-cutter show...
We Must Add a "Babe" and a "Jock", or people will never watch it!"
Frigging idiots. As soon as they did that, it became more like other
shows, and I was highly LESS interested in continuing to watch it.
Not to mention the "[ultra]dumb jock" then proceeding to get more
screen time than any of the other guys.
Damn network execs.
I'm not sure why you're dragging vxvm into this. But as of solaris 8, disksuite comes with the OS -- ALL VERSIONS --, and is free. So it effectively is "part of solaris" now.
Now you may as well get a sunblade 100 for $1000, which gives you an ULTRAsparc for a comparable price as an intel box, but just a bit slower.
WHich is why sunfreeware.com, and the "companion CD" exist.
For the former, use http://www.bolthole.com/solaris/pkg-get.html to make it even easier.
For the latter: It's important to know that sun seems to keep ADDING to the "companion CD". So the one that comes with later versions of solaris, have more, and newer versions of, free software.
There's a big difference between "Debian is continuing to recompile freeware apps for sparc/linux", and "Someone is continuing to do KERNEL work for sparc/linux".
People are getting worried about the lack of the latter.
That's what FreeBSD is for.
I'd have to disagree. "science" in a general sort of way... sure. You have to have a pretty logical mind, yeah. But you dont have to love math.
I'm "good" at math. But I LOVE CODING. This is why I got a CS degree, and I was really pissed that they made me waste 80% of my time with non-coding classes.
What he means is that they could do an M$-kerberos on it. Take it, tweak it to be incompatible to external parties, and then M$ effectively gets a free, better performing proprietary filesystem, for close to zero research dollars.
Saying "GPL, GPL, GPL" doesnt magically make the bugs go away. Only competant coders (and testers) spending 'quality time' with the code makes them go away.