Could be the next test of the true talent of a programmer. These have to be the most complex 3D problems ever. If a person were good at it , would probably be a paying occupation.
I would mod you up for insighful but I already posted something I thought was funny and got modded down. Maybe they did not read the mod guidelines, modding up is better than modding down unless is is obvious crap.
I installed 8.04 on two of my machines so I can do testing and I had problems with Gutsy at first, but it is not possible to get the bugs out unless people are willing to help support the new versions. I get the ISO and install a new partition on my main machine and use it as an opportunity to repair some of the mistakes I made on the last upgrade.
There still remains the fact that your brain can comprehend what I am saying and it only runs in the millisecond range. I'm guessing just as a simple example: If each computer simulated a single neuron effectively, and they were connected by an IP address that they would in fact simulate a brain of x neurons based on how many computers participated. And I do not think I have any usefulness in feminine hygiene.
Great stuff, and I know how you feel about trying to say something and then realizing you are not allowed to say that because of non-disclosure or other issues. I do some MMORPG software and apparently you have too. I grasp that part of what you are saying, however I see any computing problem as NANDs because that is how we always designed. A sea of gates. If I had unlimited money to throw at a solution I could make a CAM 'content addressable memory' array that responds in a single cycle time to any set of information. I see the design framework of how it would be done like I do any system I create. I have done this for manufacturing process control and control in wafer fabrication. It is a similar problem to using multiple CPU's. The amount of independence between data sets allows you to run without having to share a common data. It is like CPU design with branch prediction and look ahead execution, cache and many different techniques which are used to speed processing. It is in the design of the software that makes all the difference. If I were making a blender movie and each person in the group of 100,000 people was responsible for a single frame each we could render a 1 hr movie in 3 seconds.:) and send our frames to a central computer to be viewed for example. I see the greatest problem with distributed solution is the isolation of the dependent order of data sets. I will spend some time and come up with a real measurable proof of concept software that I can give out as open source. I guess the only way for me to be sure is to write the code that I feel can be done. ---- I know the moderators aren't very bright because I have been one.
LOL, That was great, yes I have worked on those things. I didn't design Crays, but I did design supercomputers. It is my real name, and the people I have worked with will probably eventually see this post. This is the first subject on Slashdot that I have had an active interest in the development of. I have seen so much vapor ware and announce ware that I really appreciate the youtube. If I had any mod points left, I would mod you up for funny. I hate that guy too, there are sooo many people looking for money for perpetual motion machines and I have seen too many. As far as 'funding' I was just presenting it as an open source concept.
Cool. I love intelligent conversation. I worked on the 'neither confirm nor deny' myself many years ago at DARPA, however, that alone does not qualify me to be the final word on what is possible. I probably should not make any specific quotes from people or situations, however I can say that I was not impressed with the dimensional reasoning of the systems themselves. I do wonder about new methods and I can say that from 'my experience' that this is a valid concept. Then you say that MMORPG's cannot exist, since they require everything to be done in 'real' time?:) The trick is in the software. Your response is vague. I was interested in the specifics of the process and considering a measure of the results using techniques I might propose. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. As far as you 'building them' I also work in semiconductor wafer processing and I see things in development, so I am required to be a bit more forward thinking.
I wasn't joking. I work in AI and I have designed supercomputers and I worked with some of the early designs at CRAY and IBM and I do work with RISC. It seems that even though this is the site that I find the most intelligent and funny people in the world usually. I always like to be proved wrong in my assumptions, since it allows me to plug a leak in my mental process, however I see no real reason that this could not work. As far as intelligence and the simulation of such, connectivity is the greatest key to that. IMHO And as far as computers, they pretty much do NAND.
I am not quite sure that you understand systems computing well ( no offense intended ) . It is the program itself and the structure of it as it works with the hardware that allows results with the equipment. I have worked on the design of many -real- super computers and I guess that I have a little practical experience in that area and I say that this concept would kick that hybrid computer's ass by a country light year:) I have access to a 'Blue Gene' at school in genetics and so I am not saying this just because I have experience with the Z80 or 8086.:)
When I see this stuff I wonder if everybody who wanted to have this kind of computing power for themselves could agree on a simple project like F@H or Electric Sheep and connect everybody on the planet to compute as a single unit for a certain portion of the day. The connectivity and power would be awesome and I don't think it is -that- weird an idea. I would rather schedule a super task that could perhaps consider the methods to perform a hyperspace transfer from planet to planet. I would contribute my 8 that I keep on line if some common realistic plan to resolve hyperspace for interstellar travel could be devised as an OSS project and not a closed benefit of a few or one government over another. I'm not an anarchist, just a person who has more respect for people than nations.
I think that what you suggest is possible, but in a more elegant way. I would suggest that a 'Skinner' box could be used with whales to add the ability to understand the context of the planet and then relate that to other whales. (one way) (another) I have observed dolphins and their family units, and I would say that the potential of an interface language exists. I have been studying this concept for humans. It is possible to relate information without language in visual form. I am merely speculating on this however and it might have unintended consequences considering it would be difficult to stop such a sea culture once started.:) They might unite as one species , unlike humans, and dominate the planet and space.:)
I think that the concept is actually a more sensible and economic approach, but I am not sure that unless they use OSS and have an orbiting Unix guru, it will ever work.
I am one of those horrible 'The universe is half full' guys and I see that the integration of science and MMO can in fact be exciting and visually entertaining where 'Mario' gets mushroom points for each correct solution. I was doing it myself and I don't see where NASA has an exclusive on the physics of the universe.
--tag--
Please give me more mod points, I needs the 'precious'. Absolute stupidity, disrupts absolutely.
It serves the leaders of the country to retain control of the people by making sure that every piece of software contains something for the government. Free software leads to free minds, is what they might be promoting. I think monopoly and autocracy are good friends. Just MHO.
It is fun to see how ideas can become real. On top of that , my knowledge of computers put me way ahead of everybody else, as a lot of what I did in genetics was computationally intensive. I was in graduate courses, but I have had undergrad biochemistry recently and it is a very laid back and fun if you enjoy learning in the first place. Sounds like you will enjoy it. (keep your lab books clean) The tools that are available now for biochemistry and molecular biology are really interesting.
So now children on Facebook will assume that it is safe to give information to a person who poses as a policeman or someone who has a similar logo. Children should not be asked to defend themselves. Let the police do their own work. I guess it gives them an excuse to browse the internet while they are having a donut. Yep Sarge, this pron site has lots of leads.
If you can define free will, then you could prove it or disprove it. It is such an open ended concept that it cannot be considered until all facts about the process is known and it is premature to study the psychological effects of using a tele-port until you have one.
--Absolute stupidity, disrupts absolutely--PLM
Nice work.
I am glad I read all the posts first before I responded. I assume you are a competent rational person from the information you have provided. I really didn't want to go through the work of explaining this and thank you for this insight, it is exactly what I presumed what was happening at first glance. It is difficult to explain things to people who hold to common mis-conceptions. I have explained this concept to people so many times I get tired. (1) You can sell energy. (2) If you have a source of energy, sell it. (3) Anybody who asks for money to promote a "free" energy source is mis-guided at the least and crooked at the most. (4) Fantastic things are possible, this is not one of them.
I wonder how many times this subject has to be revisited. An object in motion will stay in motion. (conservation). Energy is conserved. Perpetual "work" is impossible because it violates conservation. Conservation means that the universe does not enter a state of continuously accelerating motion or complete lack of motion. It is nice that slashdot brings this topic up once in a while for the new people who might get dragged into such an obvious load of crap. For those who say anything is possible and use this as an excuse to believe , I bring you this little proof.
(1) Anything is possible.
(2) Thus: The fact that not all things are possible can be true.
(3) 2 contradicts 1
(4) 1 is not completely true.
(5) Is there a flaw in my logic here?
I have an advanced military concept and I am weighing the moral implications and really what is the point? If I have superiority in the physical realm, I determine the rules. There is no discussion necessary. The only way to resolve the issue is to have the person with the most effective technology be moral. Typically this does not happen.
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Could we get a set of buttons like that on this article? If the comments are going down in flames, CmdrTaco could self destruct the article.
Could be the next test of the true talent of a programmer. These have to be the most complex 3D problems ever. If a person were good at it , would probably be a paying occupation.
I would mod you up for insighful but I already posted something I thought was funny and got modded down. Maybe they did not read the mod guidelines, modding up is better than modding down unless is is obvious crap.
I always thought that now we have absolute proof! --It's good when moderators send people to the cornfield, isn't it?
I installed 8.04 on two of my machines so I can do testing and I had problems with Gutsy at first, but it is not possible to get the bugs out unless people are willing to help support the new versions. I get the ISO and install a new partition on my main machine and use it as an opportunity to repair some of the mistakes I made on the last upgrade.
There still remains the fact that your brain can comprehend what I am saying and it only runs in the millisecond range. I'm guessing just as a simple example: If each computer simulated a single neuron effectively, and they were connected by an IP address that they would in fact simulate a brain of x neurons based on how many computers participated. And I do not think I have any usefulness in feminine hygiene.
Great stuff, and I know how you feel about trying to say something and then realizing you are not allowed to say that because of non-disclosure or other issues. I do some MMORPG software and apparently you have too. I grasp that part of what you are saying, however I see any computing problem as NANDs because that is how we always designed. A sea of gates. If I had unlimited money to throw at a solution I could make a CAM 'content addressable memory' array that responds in a single cycle time to any set of information. I see the design framework of how it would be done like I do any system I create. I have done this for manufacturing process control and control in wafer fabrication. It is a similar problem to using multiple CPU's. The amount of independence between data sets allows you to run without having to share a common data. It is like CPU design with branch prediction and look ahead execution, cache and many different techniques which are used to speed processing. It is in the design of the software that makes all the difference. If I were making a blender movie and each person in the group of 100,000 people was responsible for a single frame each we could render a 1 hr movie in 3 seconds. :) and send our frames to a central computer to be viewed for example. I see the greatest problem with distributed solution is the isolation of the dependent order of data sets. I will spend some time and come up with a real measurable proof of concept software that I can give out as open source. I guess the only way for me to be sure is to write the code that I feel can be done. ---- I know the moderators aren't very bright because I have been one.
LOL, That was great, yes I have worked on those things. I didn't design Crays, but I did design supercomputers. It is my real name, and the people I have worked with will probably eventually see this post. This is the first subject on Slashdot that I have had an active interest in the development of. I have seen so much vapor ware and announce ware that I really appreciate the youtube. If I had any mod points left, I would mod you up for funny. I hate that guy too, there are sooo many people looking for money for perpetual motion machines and I have seen too many. As far as 'funding' I was just presenting it as an open source concept.
Cool. I love intelligent conversation. I worked on the 'neither confirm nor deny' myself many years ago at DARPA, however, that alone does not qualify me to be the final word on what is possible. I probably should not make any specific quotes from people or situations, however I can say that I was not impressed with the dimensional reasoning of the systems themselves. I do wonder about new methods and I can say that from 'my experience' that this is a valid concept. Then you say that MMORPG's cannot exist, since they require everything to be done in 'real' time? :) The trick is in the software. Your response is vague. I was interested in the specifics of the process and considering a measure of the results using techniques I might propose. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. As far as you 'building them' I also work in semiconductor wafer processing and I see things in development, so I am required to be a bit more forward thinking.
I wasn't joking. I work in AI and I have designed supercomputers and I worked with some of the early designs at CRAY and IBM and I do work with RISC. It seems that even though this is the site that I find the most intelligent and funny people in the world usually. I always like to be proved wrong in my assumptions, since it allows me to plug a leak in my mental process, however I see no real reason that this could not work. As far as intelligence and the simulation of such, connectivity is the greatest key to that. IMHO And as far as computers, they pretty much do NAND.
I am not quite sure that you understand systems computing well ( no offense intended ) . It is the program itself and the structure of it as it works with the hardware that allows results with the equipment. I have worked on the design of many -real- super computers and I guess that I have a little practical experience in that area and I say that this concept would kick that hybrid computer's ass by a country light year :) I have access to a 'Blue Gene' at school in genetics and so I am not saying this just because I have experience with the Z80 or 8086. :)
When I see this stuff I wonder if everybody who wanted to have this kind of computing power for themselves could agree on a simple project like F@H or Electric Sheep and connect everybody on the planet to compute as a single unit for a certain portion of the day. The connectivity and power would be awesome and I don't think it is -that- weird an idea. I would rather schedule a super task that could perhaps consider the methods to perform a hyperspace transfer from planet to planet. I would contribute my 8 that I keep on line if some common realistic plan to resolve hyperspace for interstellar travel could be devised as an OSS project and not a closed benefit of a few or one government over another. I'm not an anarchist, just a person who has more respect for people than nations.
I think that what you suggest is possible, but in a more elegant way. I would suggest that a 'Skinner' box could be used with whales to add the ability to understand the context of the planet and then relate that to other whales. (one way) (another) I have observed dolphins and their family units, and I would say that the potential of an interface language exists. I have been studying this concept for humans. It is possible to relate information without language in visual form. I am merely speculating on this however and it might have unintended consequences considering it would be difficult to stop such a sea culture once started. :) They might unite as one species , unlike humans, and dominate the planet and space. :)
I think that the concept is actually a more sensible and economic approach, but I am not sure that unless they use OSS and have an orbiting Unix guru, it will ever work.
I am one of those horrible 'The universe is half full' guys and I see that the integration of science and MMO can in fact be exciting and visually entertaining where 'Mario' gets mushroom points for each correct solution. I was doing it myself and I don't see where NASA has an exclusive on the physics of the universe. --tag-- Please give me more mod points, I needs the 'precious'. Absolute stupidity, disrupts absolutely.
I liked High Energy Laser Strategic Test Facility HELSTF pronounced (HellStaff) which was a real one.
It serves the leaders of the country to retain control of the people by making sure that every piece of software contains something for the government. Free software leads to free minds, is what they might be promoting. I think monopoly and autocracy are good friends. Just MHO.
It is fun to see how ideas can become real. On top of that , my knowledge of computers put me way ahead of everybody else, as a lot of what I did in genetics was computationally intensive. I was in graduate courses, but I have had undergrad biochemistry recently and it is a very laid back and fun if you enjoy learning in the first place. Sounds like you will enjoy it. (keep your lab books clean) The tools that are available now for biochemistry and molecular biology are really interesting.
So now children on Facebook will assume that it is safe to give information to a person who poses as a policeman or someone who has a similar logo. Children should not be asked to defend themselves. Let the police do their own work. I guess it gives them an excuse to browse the internet while they are having a donut. Yep Sarge, this pron site has lots of leads.
If you can define free will, then you could prove it or disprove it. It is such an open ended concept that it cannot be considered until all facts about the process is known and it is premature to study the psychological effects of using a tele-port until you have one. --Absolute stupidity, disrupts absolutely--PLM
Nice work. I am glad I read all the posts first before I responded. I assume you are a competent rational person from the information you have provided. I really didn't want to go through the work of explaining this and thank you for this insight, it is exactly what I presumed what was happening at first glance. It is difficult to explain things to people who hold to common mis-conceptions. I have explained this concept to people so many times I get tired. (1) You can sell energy. (2) If you have a source of energy, sell it. (3) Anybody who asks for money to promote a "free" energy source is mis-guided at the least and crooked at the most. (4) Fantastic things are possible, this is not one of them. I wonder how many times this subject has to be revisited. An object in motion will stay in motion. (conservation). Energy is conserved. Perpetual "work" is impossible because it violates conservation. Conservation means that the universe does not enter a state of continuously accelerating motion or complete lack of motion. It is nice that slashdot brings this topic up once in a while for the new people who might get dragged into such an obvious load of crap. For those who say anything is possible and use this as an excuse to believe , I bring you this little proof. (1) Anything is possible. (2) Thus: The fact that not all things are possible can be true. (3) 2 contradicts 1 (4) 1 is not completely true. (5) Is there a flaw in my logic here?
I have an advanced military concept and I am weighing the moral implications and really what is the point? If I have superiority in the physical realm, I determine the rules. There is no discussion necessary. The only way to resolve the issue is to have the person with the most effective technology be moral. Typically this does not happen.