If I were designing an IDE, I would integrate gvim as the text editor, integrate ANT, and include a UML-to-code component like in Together ControlPanel. It would also have to load very fast.
NetBeans has ANT integration, Together does too, but they all have sh***y text editors and are sluggish.
My suggestion is to buy a copy of Together CC 5.5 for laying out projects (give it to your chief architect), and let the coders use whatever they want. If you are doing a project which requires Swing, you also might want to use JBuilder. VisualAge is good but generates terrible code. It really helps to use one of those tools when laying out panels.
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We bought one license of Together 4.2, and premium subscription to get the upgrades (now running 5.5), I use it as I am our "chief architect". It is just too pricy to outfit a whole shop with, unless you are insanely successful and can afford 7G for software.
It is also a bit slow for general use (I run it on a P3-1000/512MB Ram/IBM A22p), I usually design in Together and code in VIM.
It was drafted by Microsoft and some other people, such as Dave Winer of Userland Software. I don't think it is a M$ technology in the sense that COM is, but they are certainly chamioning it.
This gets interesting... I got the letter and I have contributed zilch to Linux ( Although I may in the future ), BUT, I did fill in a survey at the O'Reilly Open Source Convention in the VA Linux email garden.....thats the only way I figure that they could have gotten my email address.
I see all of you guys griping about wages, or at least wishing for more pay on this thread and I just HAD to say something. My company (of which I am a senior engineer) is actively recruiting software engineers who can code (in order of preference) perl,c,java. We are most interested in proven ability, not some stupid CS degree, so if you are in Vancouver and want to work in XML Search engine / E-Business development, and make more than 40K, go to www.xmlglobal.com and check out our HR material. We are also looking for kick-ass linux/unix sysadmins.
DB2 Enterprise for Linux goes for ~15K/processor with unlimited connections. You can get your first version of DB2 for something like 100-300 bucks if you sign up for the ISV program. IBM is really looking to put the hurt to Oracle. We priced out Oracle for 279K....ouch.
When I set up an AT&T Canada account, the only way to set up was trough setting up their browser, which was programmed to open automatically to a non-published site where registration took place. I just mounted their CD on my linux box and started grepping through the IE4 setup files, and I found the url I was looking for in an ini file, then it was just a matter of loading up the page. There were some silly javascript checks which I had to bypass, but nothing much.
I have been working with XML pretty much since it's inception, having been involved in the development of the first viable internet XML Search Engine at http://www.goxml.com. While we are totally a Linux/Unix shop, we do recognize that Microsoft is actually doing a good job of pushing the XML Development envelope. A lot of the time many of us are really frustrated with the slowness of the w3c in making a technology standard. M$ is just really anxious to use XML and are not prepared to wait on the w3c for everything. It is also interesting to note the the w3 org is basically an industry consortium, of which m$ is a major delegate, their "Bastardizations" may in fact become de-facto standards, mainly as a result of early adoption of their extensions (xml-data, schemas). Their "BizTalk" initiative marks a big change in their strategy, they are actually moving toward an open document exchange standard. The fact that they make money from it by selling biztalk servers is beside the point, as you are totally welcome and free to make one yourself. Give them a break, I know for a fact that the Microsofties are not all puds.
Oh, well, in a corporate environment the company does have the right to read your mail, I was talking about the ISP kind-of relationship where you are essentially leasing services. It seems to me that there should be confidentiality there, unless of course they are provided with a subpoena... (I hope....)
No, they don't have the right...no more than your landlord has a right to randomly enter your apartment and check your wife's underwear drawer for drugs...its like a rent agreement.
While python may be a good language, some of us find it easier to write Perl than Psuedo-code. After a while, you start to visualize problems in Perl | C | Java. Maybe python is better suited to the clueless CS grads universities are churning out as of late, but not me.
Are you joking? What do you think is better, Visual Basic? I find the documentation to be quite good, depending on the author of course. As for the syntax, maybe you should learn English better, then maybe Perl would be easier to grasp.
Perl also can act as a fairly effective system programming language. While I would not recomend writing a kernel in perl:), it certainly makes network programming much easier.
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If I were designing an IDE, I would integrate gvim as the text editor, integrate ANT, and include a UML-to-code component like in Together ControlPanel. It would also have to load very fast.
NetBeans has ANT integration, Together does too, but they all have sh***y text editors and are sluggish.
My suggestion is to buy a copy of Together CC 5.5 for laying out projects (give it to your chief architect), and let the coders use whatever they want. If you are doing a project which requires Swing, you also might want to use JBuilder. VisualAge is good but generates terrible code. It really helps to use one of those tools when laying out panels.
We bought one license of Together 4.2, and premium subscription to get the upgrades (now running 5.5), I use it as I am our "chief architect". It is just too pricy to outfit a whole shop with, unless you are insanely successful and can afford 7G for software.
It is also a bit slow for general use (I run it on a P3-1000/512MB Ram/IBM A22p), I usually design in Together and code in VIM.
It was drafted by Microsoft and some other people, such as Dave Winer of Userland Software. I don't think it is a M$ technology in the sense that COM is, but they are certainly chamioning it.
This gets interesting... I got the letter and I have contributed zilch to Linux ( Although I may in the future ), BUT, I did fill in a survey at the O'Reilly Open Source Convention in the VA Linux email garden.....thats the only way I figure that they could have gotten my email address.
I got the letter, and I kinda hope that they just forgot about us up north...I want some easy cash :)
*snort*
:)
I see all of you guys griping about wages, or at least wishing for more pay on this thread and I just HAD to say something. My company (of which I am a senior engineer) is actively recruiting software engineers who can code (in order of preference) perl,c,java. We are most interested in proven ability, not some stupid CS degree, so if you are in Vancouver and want to work in XML Search engine / E-Business development, and make more than 40K, go to www.xmlglobal.com and check out our HR material. We are also looking for kick-ass linux/unix sysadmins.
DB2 Enterprise for Linux goes for ~15K/processor with unlimited connections. You can get your first version of DB2 for something like 100-300 bucks if you sign up for the ISV program. IBM is really looking to put the hurt to Oracle. We priced out Oracle for 279K....ouch.
has anyone heard of/done the equivalent to:
mount -t iso9660 -o ro,loop=/dev/loop0 image mountpoint
in NT?
I just got ~150KB/S from metalab/sunsite on a measly T1.
When I set up an AT&T Canada account, the only way to set up was trough setting up their browser, which was programmed to open automatically to a non-published site where registration took place. I just mounted their CD on my linux box and started grepping through the IE4 setup files, and I found the url I was looking for in an ini file, then it was just a matter of loading up the page. There were some silly javascript checks which I had to bypass, but nothing much.
Look through the setup files.
Here is an idea, don't reinvent the wheel. http://www.biztalk.org. Like M$ or not, it is a solid standard, and a perl api will be out soon.
I have been working with XML pretty much since it's inception, having been involved in the development of the first viable internet XML Search Engine at http://www.goxml.com. While we are totally a Linux/Unix shop, we do recognize that Microsoft is actually doing a good job of pushing the XML Development envelope. A lot of the time many of us are really frustrated with the slowness of the w3c in making a technology standard. M$ is just really anxious to use XML and are not prepared to wait on the w3c for everything. It is also interesting to note the the w3 org is basically an industry consortium, of which m$ is a major delegate, their "Bastardizations" may in fact become de-facto standards, mainly as a result of early adoption of their extensions (xml-data, schemas). Their "BizTalk" initiative marks a big change in their strategy, they are actually moving toward an open document exchange standard. The fact that they make money from it by selling biztalk servers is beside the point, as you are totally welcome and free to make one yourself. Give them a break, I know for a fact that the Microsofties are not all puds.
It is not exactly rocket science to make an iso image, man mkisofs.
Oh, well, in a corporate environment the company does have the right to read your mail, I was talking about the ISP kind-of relationship where you are essentially leasing services. It seems to me that there should be confidentiality there, unless of course they are provided with a subpoena... (I hope....)
What is it you like? Our charming snow homes, or the dog-propelled taxi cabs in Metro-Vancouver?
*snort*
No, they don't have the right...no more than your landlord has a right to randomly enter your apartment and check your wife's underwear drawer for drugs...its like a rent agreement.
While python may be a good language, some of us find it easier to write Perl than Psuedo-code. After a while, you start to visualize problems in Perl | C | Java. Maybe python is better suited to the clueless CS grads universities are churning out as of late, but not me.
Are you joking? What do you think is better, Visual Basic? I find the documentation to be quite good, depending on the author of course. As for the syntax, maybe you should learn English better, then maybe Perl would be easier to grasp.
I didn't mind the speech as much as I minded the shitty smelling candle he lit....uggghh.
Ya...if you look closely, you will see a picture of me. I am the "canuck" with the empty beermug with a keg to my rear.
:p
....great white north...sheesh
Perl also can act as a fairly effective system programming language. While I would not recomend writing a kernel in perl :), it certainly makes network programming much easier.
Americans should be mindful of themselves before making negative comments about Canadians. We have semi-free health care, and much less in-breeding.
..and I thought having a negative IQ was impossible.
Heh..Exactly. 'Selling out' is bad only if its not you doing it.