Why mod this guy's comment as flamebait. That's real petty. Gun availability in the US is something that seems amazing to many of us outside the US. American's are surely aware of this, and of the different perceptions of their constitutional right to bear arms.
I disagree != flamebait, it's been said many times before, and no doubt it'll be said many times more.
CB is one way at a time process, you each speak in turn. People don't get psychologically immersed in that type of communication in the same way - perhaps it always seems somewhat artificial when you cannot both talk at the same time
If the FLOSS movement ever wants to make even a dent in that 90% Windows desktop monopoly, then they MUST follow this rule above ALL: You MUST design everything as if there is NO CLI.
100% right. This is the real reason that the 90% Windows monopoly still exists. It's unfortunate that in reality you have more chance of finding a Windows user who uses the CLI daily than you have of finding anyone in the FLOSS movement who is prepared to accept that they shouldn't be forced to.
Or, more moderately, why has there not been a coordinated specific targeting of this infamous botnet.
Casting one's eyes back on Blaster, a coordinated information campaign from AV companies, ISP's, politicians and the media raised consciousness of Blaster among ordinary home computer owners/users - this consciousness coupled with the ready availability of dozens of specifically targeted tools (which because of their specificity were small, compact and fast in execution so their use inconvenienced users little) saw a dramatic hit on that worm's propagation.
Can large botnets such as this not be similarly targeted.
OK, I agree that taking it to excess could cause the mortality you suggest, but that's not what I'm talking about.
During infancy in particular, exposure to low levels of the various everyday pathogens is what programs our immune system to recognise threat and deal with it appropriately. I'd argue that our current obsession with using anti-bacterial cleaners etc at every opportunity denies our infants this exposure, and thus makes us more prone to allergy and disease in later life. I don't think it's coincidence that our obsession with ever increasing levels of "clean" seems to follow the trend of ever increasing allergies etc.
When I was a young I used to wonder at why the problem of allergies seemed much more prevalent in the US than over here in the UK. But now, as we have embraced the US trend for seeking to make every aspect of our children's environment as sterile as an operating theatre, we see many more young adults complaining of allergies, and asthma too. I'm not suggesting this is the cause of all allergies or all asthma, but maybe, since these are effectively malfunctions of the immune response, there's a causal link, and the common thinking which has driven our over use of these chemicals comes from the attitudes prevalent in the many posts herein propagating the "distilled water = deadly poison" myth.
As humans we evolved to intake water out of muddy holes in the ground, not to worry about the mineral contaminant that remains after treatment.
Maybe a few more impurities in our water and food, and exposure to a few more germs and viruses in our infancy, and our immune systems wouldn't be so weak we can get felled for a week by an extreme allergic reaction to a single hair from a cute and fluffy kitten passing the end of our street.
I think it's a bit of a myth about Americans not getting Python, like them not understanding the concept of irony.
Sure some Americans don't get it, like some Brits don't, some Irish don't, some Islamic Extremists don't......................
All the Americans I know do get it, but then most of them are the kind of people with whom one chats on the internet so perhaps it's not a representative sample of the populations as a whole
If you're paid by the hour, then you should be paid from the moment your activities are dictated by your employer.
If you work on a computer, you need to boot it up. You don't do that for your own amusement, you do it as part of the activity directed by your employer - ergo, it's work and you get paid.
People seem to forget some of our greatest scientists EVER were defectors from our old enemies like, you know, Nazi Germany.
Correction, if I remember correctly, they were captured Nazis, not defectors, many were wanted war criminals too, but they were kept hidden because it was more expedient to use their information than hand them over to the Nuremberg trials.
I think you've completely missed the point those opposing the RIAA's tactics are making.
Their tactics are morally reprehensible. They target those unlikely to fight back to gain sums of money disproportionate to the losses they suffer as a result of the offenders actions.
If the RIAA et al were really intent on reducing their losses, or going after the supposed terrorist-funding pirates, then they would be looking to the people who are profiting to the tune of millions of dollars, not bankrupting little old ladies and school kids.
There is no justification for destroying the financial security of a pensioner in order that some already super rich film star doesn't lose $0.10 in royalties, and in any and all cases, there cannot be any validity in a society with a presumption of innocence as the cornerstone of its justice system to make a special case and remove the burden of proof from an organisation just because millions of dollars are allegedly at stake.
It's time perhaps that you put your prejudice aside and re-read the posts you cited with an more open mind and consider how much the RIAA's rampage is eroding our natural justice systems and rights as individuals, setting dangerous precedents that could see us all back in the middle ages, peasants at the whim of feudal lords, only this time the feudal lords be large corporations.
On the other hand, you might really be a troll, in which case ignore the above, the comprehension of which is beyond your intellect.
Or maybe just use another piece of legislation to prosecute those who use it for what they suspect are nefarious purposes
For example, in the UK you can be demanded to provide the passwords for any encrypted material on the say so of an officer of a dozen or more agencies including the police. Jail tariffs are stiff for anyone not complying with such a request. Incidentally, it is also illegal to divulge that such a request has been made to any third party, and no material evidence of the presence of encrypted material, or the nature of its content, is required beyond the agency concerned having reason to believe that such material may exist.
It would be easy to say that a particular use of SSH fell under those criteria, and that the defendant having failed to provide a decrypted version of that session on demand, was therefore a terrorist.
As an overseas observer the lasting impression wasn't so much the usual bitching and sniping of the campaign, but the sheer volume of people who participated this time.
Alas, in this country people wouldn't queue up for more than ten minutes to cast their vote, much less four or five hours.
Democracy is supposed to be the will of the people, but surely that can only be true as long as the people can be bothered to express their will, this time in the USA they have been, and it's a good thing to see.
Given the economic global crisis, and the ongoing troubles in the world, you've got to wonder if it isn't a bit of a poisoned chalice though
I hope before slagging the French legislators, the mostly American readership will understand that all of us "free" states are under some pressure from the US at each economic summit to enact laws like this.
Quite apart from the fact that the copyright holders are mostly large American corporations, we must remember that all the files shared on the internet illegally come from Al Qaeda, and that every time one them is downloaded, a new martyr is cloned. Osama Bin Laden funds all his activities selling pirate copies of Windows Vista from a car boot sale outside Paris.
These people from either side are not your friends. We need a serious purge.
I have to agree as an outsider you're probably right, can you (or anyone) explain why you guys have never got around to having a third party in the mix. Most countries have more than two, and while they might be seen as a waste of time in many cases, they have been awfully good over the years at highlighting bad ideas, and generating sufficient publicity to sink them. Surely the best thing you could do for your democracy would be to outlaw the lobbyists though.
It's a tad unfair to call those of us a few thousand miles away from you "lazy-thinking" just because we don't fully understand all the nuances of American politics. I think you have to agree that media is the primary source of information for most of us these days - and unfortunately America's portrayal of itself through media that it largely owns (including forums such as this) is of a country whose citizens are religious zealots, xenophobes, and that the "Team America, fuck yeah!" quote from one of the posters above is pretty representative.
I'm lucky, I do know better, but only because of daily contact with real folks. Most of us do not have that luxury, just as most Americans have no knowledge of the reality of European affairs and thinking.
In Europe we are guilty of attaching the foreign policy blunders made by governments to their citizens - that is after all democracy. I guess we'll know tomorrow whether the establishment which drove these policies has the support of the average American or not.
Traffic streaming and a loss of net neutrality surely means that soon there will be no greener pastures available.
Once the backbone's neutrality is lost, small ISP's customers can be shut out until a corporate giant buys the small ISP cheap and therefore gains control over its customers.
All that's needed to remove any real choice in ISP is a deal between Comcast etc and companies like News International
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Yes, but Mapp v Ohio has no bearing in the UK, and as such is irrelevant in this particular discussion.
Why mod this guy's comment as flamebait. That's real petty. Gun availability in the US is something that seems amazing to many of us outside the US. American's are surely aware of this, and of the different perceptions of their constitutional right to bear arms.
I disagree != flamebait, it's been said many times before, and no doubt it'll be said many times more.
Because they give any fool going mod points, and to some people "I disagree" = "Troll"
It's a shame because there would be no point in a discussion thread if we all made and agreed with the same points.
ho hum
CB is one way at a time process, you each speak in turn. People don't get psychologically immersed in that type of communication in the same way - perhaps it always seems somewhat artificial when you cannot both talk at the same time
He's been modded "Funny" too, so I guess he's not the only one who thinks so.
Not me though
If the FLOSS movement ever wants to make even a dent in that 90% Windows desktop monopoly, then they MUST follow this rule above ALL: You MUST design everything as if there is NO CLI.
100% right. This is the real reason that the 90% Windows monopoly still exists. It's unfortunate that in reality you have more chance of finding a Windows user who uses the CLI daily than you have of finding anyone in the FLOSS movement who is prepared to accept that they shouldn't be forced to.
Or, more moderately, why has there not been a coordinated specific targeting of this infamous botnet.
Casting one's eyes back on Blaster, a coordinated information campaign from AV companies, ISP's, politicians and the media raised consciousness of Blaster among ordinary home computer owners/users - this consciousness coupled with the ready availability of dozens of specifically targeted tools (which because of their specificity were small, compact and fast in execution so their use inconvenienced users little) saw a dramatic hit on that worm's propagation.
Can large botnets such as this not be similarly targeted.
OK, I agree that taking it to excess could cause the mortality you suggest, but that's not what I'm talking about.
During infancy in particular, exposure to low levels of the various everyday pathogens is what programs our immune system to recognise threat and deal with it appropriately. I'd argue that our current obsession with using anti-bacterial cleaners etc at every opportunity denies our infants this exposure, and thus makes us more prone to allergy and disease in later life. I don't think it's coincidence that our obsession with ever increasing levels of "clean" seems to follow the trend of ever increasing allergies etc.
When I was a young I used to wonder at why the problem of allergies seemed much more prevalent in the US than over here in the UK. But now, as we have embraced the US trend for seeking to make every aspect of our children's environment as sterile as an operating theatre, we see many more young adults complaining of allergies, and asthma too. I'm not suggesting this is the cause of all allergies or all asthma, but maybe, since these are effectively malfunctions of the immune response, there's a causal link, and the common thinking which has driven our over use of these chemicals comes from the attitudes prevalent in the many posts herein propagating the "distilled water = deadly poison" myth.
I seem to recall it being quite fashionable among certain groups in California during the 80's
But why bother?
As humans we evolved to intake water out of muddy holes in the ground, not to worry about the mineral contaminant that remains after treatment.
Maybe a few more impurities in our water and food, and exposure to a few more germs and viruses in our infancy, and our immune systems wouldn't be so weak we can get felled for a week by an extreme allergic reaction to a single hair from a cute and fluffy kitten passing the end of our street.
Sure some Americans don't get it, like some Brits don't, some Irish don't, some Islamic Extremists don't......................
All the Americans I know do get it, but then most of them are the kind of people with whom one chats on the internet so perhaps it's not a representative sample of the populations as a whole
If you're paid by the hour, then you should be paid from the moment your activities are dictated by your employer.
If you work on a computer, you need to boot it up. You don't do that for your own amusement, you do it as part of the activity directed by your employer - ergo, it's work and you get paid.
How can you question that?
People seem to forget some of our greatest scientists EVER were defectors from our old enemies like, you know, Nazi Germany.
Correction, if I remember correctly, they were captured Nazis, not defectors, many were wanted war criminals too, but they were kept hidden because it was more expedient to use their information than hand them over to the Nuremberg trials.
It certainly does here
Ah yes, but they can,
and do
I think you've completely missed the point those opposing the RIAA's tactics are making.
Their tactics are morally reprehensible. They target those unlikely to fight back to gain sums of money disproportionate to the losses they suffer as a result of the offenders actions.
If the RIAA et al were really intent on reducing their losses, or going after the supposed terrorist-funding pirates, then they would be looking to the people who are profiting to the tune of millions of dollars, not bankrupting little old ladies and school kids.
There is no justification for destroying the financial security of a pensioner in order that some already super rich film star doesn't lose $0.10 in royalties, and in any and all cases, there cannot be any validity in a society with a presumption of innocence as the cornerstone of its justice system to make a special case and remove the burden of proof from an organisation just because millions of dollars are allegedly at stake.
It's time perhaps that you put your prejudice aside and re-read the posts you cited with an more open mind and consider how much the RIAA's rampage is eroding our natural justice systems and rights as individuals, setting dangerous precedents that could see us all back in the middle ages, peasants at the whim of feudal lords, only this time the feudal lords be large corporations.
On the other hand, you might really be a troll, in which case ignore the above, the comprehension of which is beyond your intellect.
Or maybe just use another piece of legislation to prosecute those who use it for what they suspect are nefarious purposes
For example, in the UK you can be demanded to provide the passwords for any encrypted material on the say so of an officer of a dozen or more agencies including the police. Jail tariffs are stiff for anyone not complying with such a request. Incidentally, it is also illegal to divulge that such a request has been made to any third party, and no material evidence of the presence of encrypted material, or the nature of its content, is required beyond the agency concerned having reason to believe that such material may exist.
It would be easy to say that a particular use of SSH fell under those criteria, and that the defendant having failed to provide a decrypted version of that session on demand, was therefore a terrorist.
I think the current government might regard that as more of an advantage than a problem.
As an overseas observer the lasting impression wasn't so much the usual bitching and sniping of the campaign, but the sheer volume of people who participated this time.
Alas, in this country people wouldn't queue up for more than ten minutes to cast their vote, much less four or five hours.
Democracy is supposed to be the will of the people, but surely that can only be true as long as the people can be bothered to express their will, this time in the USA they have been, and it's a good thing to see.
Given the economic global crisis, and the ongoing troubles in the world, you've got to wonder if it isn't a bit of a poisoned chalice though
I hope before slagging the French legislators, the mostly American readership will understand that all of us "free" states are under some pressure from the US at each economic summit to enact laws like this.
Quite apart from the fact that the copyright holders are mostly large American corporations, we must remember that all the files shared on the internet illegally come from Al Qaeda, and that every time one them is downloaded, a new martyr is cloned. Osama Bin Laden funds all his activities selling pirate copies of Windows Vista from a car boot sale outside Paris.
etc
These people from either side are not your friends. We need a serious purge.
I have to agree as an outsider you're probably right, can you (or anyone) explain why you guys have never got around to having a third party in the mix. Most countries have more than two, and while they might be seen as a waste of time in many cases, they have been awfully good over the years at highlighting bad ideas, and generating sufficient publicity to sink them. Surely the best thing you could do for your democracy would be to outlaw the lobbyists though.
It's a tad unfair to call those of us a few thousand miles away from you "lazy-thinking" just because we don't fully understand all the nuances of American politics. I think you have to agree that media is the primary source of information for most of us these days - and unfortunately America's portrayal of itself through media that it largely owns (including forums such as this) is of a country whose citizens are religious zealots, xenophobes, and that the "Team America, fuck yeah!" quote from one of the posters above is pretty representative.
I'm lucky, I do know better, but only because of daily contact with real folks. Most of us do not have that luxury, just as most Americans have no knowledge of the reality of European affairs and thinking.
In Europe we are guilty of attaching the foreign policy blunders made by governments to their citizens - that is after all democracy. I guess we'll know tomorrow whether the establishment which drove these policies has the support of the average American or not.
Ho can anyone prove something has never been used for an illegal purpose, other than perhaps proving it's never been used at all
There are way too many mods that reward/punish based on groupthink.
Like those who mod as "troll" anyone critical of how the rest of world might be affected by decisions taken in the US?
Traffic streaming and a loss of net neutrality surely means that soon there will be no greener pastures available. Once the backbone's neutrality is lost, small ISP's customers can be shut out until a corporate giant buys the small ISP cheap and therefore gains control over its customers. All that's needed to remove any real choice in ISP is a deal between Comcast etc and companies like News International