From the source article it sounds like the students go through online materials for 2 weeks then take an online quiz. There doesn't appear to be any real hands-on anywhere. How many of us know "bootcampers" like John Doe, CISSP CCNA OMG WTF BBQ, that passed a test but couldn't work their way around anything they are certified in?
CyberPatriot (also a US Cyber Challenge competition) has been providing real hands on competitions to high school students for the past three years.
That would be an interesting insight, if you just paid a guy to build a house and that was that. In my world, however, I get hand cramps signing a horde of legal mumbo jumbo that says I get my house when I put the cash on the table. The same is not true for paying a guy to write some code.
I've been out of the military for a year and a half now. I left because I wanted to expand network security wise and the military would not let me do that.
You can't treat the military's attitude towards geeks as a single attitude, however. It depends on who your divo is. My division officer was a non-technical person with a "my way or the highway" attitude. To him, network security was not an important issue for a ship command. His reason was that there is a NOC firewall between the ships and the shore connection, and that nobody would ever penetrate that firewall. Therefore, there was no need to "waste time" with network security except for 1 week out of the year during the required red team/blue team exercises.
I have friends on other ships with almost a completely opposite situation. So, it all depends on who exactly you work under.
There are current MATC students running Ubuntu posting in the comments in the original article. The cut and dry here is this woman is either lazy, or just not up to par for a technical college.
People like this seem to be selectively blind to the usefulness of great ideas and new technology in an attempt to keep a stranglehold on their "back in my day" ways of doing things.
With any luck they'll be arrested in some foreign country and have no one to converse with. 'Cept for a large man named Cheryl who loves "physical human interaction".
I was also in the service and know how bad the mail system is. The mail is handled by regular people like you, me and the guy or gal reading this post. Integrity is not a requirement to join the rate that handles mail, and I recall several incidents every deployment where PS's were actually stealing electronics from the mail. There's no way to prove they were actually received, except for documentation kept by the PS's, who if stealing your electronics would not be quick to document it.
"in my day, we had to die for our principles"
So seeing as how your still alive to post that reply, we can determine "in your day" you had no principles and never stood up for anything.
And newsflash, this is MY day. Your era was over a long time ago, gramps...
How does the Army plan to recruit the best of our nations underground that would no doubt be required to wage such cyber battles?
It has already been stated, and is well known, that even the non-stereotypes of the hacker culture will not be quick to take huge pay cuts or trade a full head of hair for a crew cut, if they were even able to pass military PRT requirements.
The Air Force answered this question with the assumption that our nations great hackers are so patriotic that they would be more than willing accept such drawbacks, but reality is the majority of us are not patriotic sheep and we do not work for peanuts.
It's always funny to hear people's rebuttal to this scenario "Well I work with professionals. I can trust everyone in my office. Now if you'll excuse me, my colleagues and I are tardy for brunch..." pfft... get real. So what the people in your office don't steal. The people in mine don't either, or at least they don't advertise it. I can leave my things out on the desk too but I wouldn't be surprise if something went missing one day.
Think about it, how many contractors walk through your workspace each day? The mailboy, the water guy who refills the coolers, the visitors, people there just to interview and getting a tour of the place, people from other departments looking for the snack machines or copy room, etc. You think they all have halos above their heads? Nobody in my office steals, but a co-worker did have a magical iPhone that grew legs one day...
"That's ok - he'll still put his life on the line to protect your right to continue to whine."
I'm a Navy veteran and even I don't believe that crap. Yeah he probably did it before but he's not going to put his life on the line now, he's too high ranking and too important to take such risks unless there were no other options left (ie, all the enlisted people died). And to the other poster, YES we all have a right to criticize the military. Sure they'll put their life on the line, they'll also toss puppies off cliffs, shoot a laying dog and claim that it was about to attack, etc, etc, (BTW, those are not scenarios, those are incidents you can youtube.) So take your patriotic head out of the sand, those who actually served know that the enlisted ranks are filled with people who were problem students, problem citizens, problem drinkers, spousal abusers, rapists (Air Force), drug users, child molesters, pedophiles (I worked IT and turned so many pedophiles over to NCIS that I was formally recognized for my work), and the like. My very first deployment we had people abandon their country because we were about to go to kuwait. To blindly say that any military member would risk his life for you at the drop of a dime, and insinuate that he is some kind of vice-less angel is just ludicrous.
"3) Marijuana
Ron Paul campaign: I oppose federal laws outlawing marijuana and I oppose federal interference with state medical marijuana laws.
This is pretty damn straightforward and does not conflict with the previous statements."
Yet you notice he says 'I oppose' and not 'will work to remove barriers'. Don't expect any real change there.
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From the source article it sounds like the students go through online materials for 2 weeks then take an online quiz. There doesn't appear to be any real hands-on anywhere. How many of us know "bootcampers" like John Doe, CISSP CCNA OMG WTF BBQ, that passed a test but couldn't work their way around anything they are certified in? CyberPatriot (also a US Cyber Challenge competition) has been providing real hands on competitions to high school students for the past three years.
That would be an interesting insight, if you just paid a guy to build a house and that was that. In my world, however, I get hand cramps signing a horde of legal mumbo jumbo that says I get my house when I put the cash on the table. The same is not true for paying a guy to write some code.
s/people's passwords/girls phone numbers/; 'two types' applies in all aspects of life :P
I've been out of the military for a year and a half now. I left because I wanted to expand network security wise and the military would not let me do that. You can't treat the military's attitude towards geeks as a single attitude, however. It depends on who your divo is. My division officer was a non-technical person with a "my way or the highway" attitude. To him, network security was not an important issue for a ship command. His reason was that there is a NOC firewall between the ships and the shore connection, and that nobody would ever penetrate that firewall. Therefore, there was no need to "waste time" with network security except for 1 week out of the year during the required red team/blue team exercises. I have friends on other ships with almost a completely opposite situation. So, it all depends on who exactly you work under.
There are current MATC students running Ubuntu posting in the comments in the original article. The cut and dry here is this woman is either lazy, or just not up to par for a technical college.
People like this seem to be selectively blind to the usefulness of great ideas and new technology in an attempt to keep a stranglehold on their "back in my day" ways of doing things. With any luck they'll be arrested in some foreign country and have no one to converse with. 'Cept for a large man named Cheryl who loves "physical human interaction".
I was also in the service and know how bad the mail system is. The mail is handled by regular people like you, me and the guy or gal reading this post. Integrity is not a requirement to join the rate that handles mail, and I recall several incidents every deployment where PS's were actually stealing electronics from the mail. There's no way to prove they were actually received, except for documentation kept by the PS's, who if stealing your electronics would not be quick to document it.
Guess I should have read the replies first, lol. Yeah, this guy just stuck his foot in his mouth.
"in my day, we had to die for our principles" So seeing as how your still alive to post that reply, we can determine "in your day" you had no principles and never stood up for anything. And newsflash, this is MY day. Your era was over a long time ago, gramps...
Or, you can email them telling them why you wont play them game, then pirate it and play it anyway. Then you get the best of both worlds.
How does the Army plan to recruit the best of our nations underground that would no doubt be required to wage such cyber battles? It has already been stated, and is well known, that even the non-stereotypes of the hacker culture will not be quick to take huge pay cuts or trade a full head of hair for a crew cut, if they were even able to pass military PRT requirements. The Air Force answered this question with the assumption that our nations great hackers are so patriotic that they would be more than willing accept such drawbacks, but reality is the majority of us are not patriotic sheep and we do not work for peanuts.
It's always funny to hear people's rebuttal to this scenario "Well I work with professionals. I can trust everyone in my office. Now if you'll excuse me, my colleagues and I are tardy for brunch..." pfft... get real. So what the people in your office don't steal. The people in mine don't either, or at least they don't advertise it. I can leave my things out on the desk too but I wouldn't be surprise if something went missing one day. Think about it, how many contractors walk through your workspace each day? The mailboy, the water guy who refills the coolers, the visitors, people there just to interview and getting a tour of the place, people from other departments looking for the snack machines or copy room, etc. You think they all have halos above their heads? Nobody in my office steals, but a co-worker did have a magical iPhone that grew legs one day...
"That's ok - he'll still put his life on the line to protect your right to continue to whine." I'm a Navy veteran and even I don't believe that crap. Yeah he probably did it before but he's not going to put his life on the line now, he's too high ranking and too important to take such risks unless there were no other options left (ie, all the enlisted people died). And to the other poster, YES we all have a right to criticize the military. Sure they'll put their life on the line, they'll also toss puppies off cliffs, shoot a laying dog and claim that it was about to attack, etc, etc, (BTW, those are not scenarios, those are incidents you can youtube.) So take your patriotic head out of the sand, those who actually served know that the enlisted ranks are filled with people who were problem students, problem citizens, problem drinkers, spousal abusers, rapists (Air Force), drug users, child molesters, pedophiles (I worked IT and turned so many pedophiles over to NCIS that I was formally recognized for my work), and the like. My very first deployment we had people abandon their country because we were about to go to kuwait. To blindly say that any military member would risk his life for you at the drop of a dime, and insinuate that he is some kind of vice-less angel is just ludicrous.
"3) Marijuana Ron Paul campaign: I oppose federal laws outlawing marijuana and I oppose federal interference with state medical marijuana laws. This is pretty damn straightforward and does not conflict with the previous statements." Yet you notice he says 'I oppose' and not 'will work to remove barriers'. Don't expect any real change there.