I couldn't care less about the Wikipedia "history page", in this context. We're discussing what a good search algorithm should do, in the case that it gets two different Wiki pages, with different content, on the same topic.
My conclusion is that the search algorithm should return both pages in its search results, not only making me aware of the change over time, but giving me a quick and easy way to compare and contrast the two versions.
Obviously, if I was restricting my search to the canonical Wiki of the day, I'd simply lookup the topic in the Wiki itself, and make use of the "history page" you speak of to learn about changes.
Maybe that's why nobody Google cares about links to the damn thing, and why Google itself has a hard time indexing it in any useful way:
Maybe the problem has nothing at all to do with Google's alleged limitations, and everything to do with asshats building websites that are unsearchable for both the best search engines currently available and for the human mind itself.
Why would you Google for the user manual, instead of just going straight to Sony's website?
Google's rankings are based in part on what other people care about. The results you're seeing are because people are more interested in finding and using websites where they can buy the product, rather than the manufacturer's official brochure page for the product. And since that page is trivial to find, if you really do need it, it would end up being noise on most Google searches for the product.
When I need a manual for a server in my datacenter, I don't go to Google. I go straight to the vendor's website. Works every time.
And if it was an old fork, and a major rewrite, I'd appreciate the opportunity to compare the two versions. Also, if the algorithm didn't eliminate one of the two results in this scenario, then by definition they're two separate results, each containing unique information that the other does not have. Giving you one copy of the old Wiki and one copy of the new Wiki seems like exactly what such an algorithm should do, in this scenario.
And the moment any one of these other technologies becomes at all useful, except in certain limited applications, the technology will be acquired by one of the search engines that everybody actually cares about (coughGooglecough), and the functionality will be added to their Internet search solution.
[Several paragraphs intended to explain the funny, before I realized that if you don't already understand irony, I can't actually help you. Trust me, there's a way to look at this post, in which it does in fact appear to be a funny post. Try looking at it in that way. It's a good trick to learn.]
Anyway, your bigotry is amazing. Did it never occur to you to blame global warming on the rapidly growing (and accelerating!) Chinese industrial economy?
No, it's always "the Americans this, the Americans that", as if there's nobody else in all the world.
The world climate is a massive system. The amount of energy needed to make even the smallest perceptible change would be colossal. The entire industrial base of a very wealthy, very large, very industrialized nation might have an effect, over a long period of time (as appears to have been the case), but I doubt a few hundred thousand SUVs more or less has the kind of impact you imagine it does.
Seriously. If you want to talk about this, start talking in terms of the number of factories and power plants North America currently has running. Or the number of factories and power plants China plans to build over the next fifty years.
This SUV meme is a sideshow, a misdirection. A clever ruse, meant to distract you from the massive amounts of industrialization that make your lifestyle possible, and keep you alive in a harsh, dangerous, unforgiving world, while all the while contributing to the global warming you fear so much.
Everything you do, from the shoes you wear to the computer you use to post these inane diatribes against SUVs, is a sin against nature and humanity. Stop wearing manufactured clothes! Stop using electricity! Stop buying groceries! Do you know how much industrial activity went into creating the distribution system you rely on, to obtain goods and services ranging from breakfast cereal to flu vaccines?
Anyway, the fact is that the most "advanced" economies are slowly but surely moving away from old-school, highly polluting technolgies, to more modern, cleaner, and more efficient technologies. It is slow, maybe too slow, but it is happening. And it's either this, moving forward from industrialization to something cleaner (if we can get there in time), or else moving backwards, to feudalism or primitive hunting and gathering (if we're capable of getting there at all, at this stage).
Enough with the anti-SUV rants. If you really want to make a difference, convince China to return to the stone age ASAP. (Or at least come up with a way to get them to the post-industrial "clean technology" stage without going through the industrial stage... but good luck; even the most advanced civs are still trying work out the details on that one).
The only thing your explanation overlooks is the fact that nobody can opt-out of Social Security. Sure, I can opt in to all kinds of other, optional retirement insurance schemes, but if I try to keep my Social Security payments, and put them into a plan that I'm convinced will give me better insurance, I go to jail.
This isn't a newsroom you're looking at. It's a live feed from a room full of people who aren't news presenters or TV storytellers. It's footage of them doing their jobs, making the news that the news presenters and TV storytellers will happily present to you in a polished, TV-tastic format. If that's what you want, go to the news channels.
The more time these NASA types spend working on making their operations center telegenic to you, the less time they'll be spending on actually making their operations center a center for operations.
How would you like it if your company's stockholders first put a live webcam in your office, and then complained that you didn't take enough time out from doing your job, to pimp your job to them live throughout your workday?
Or, if you're not a coffee hobbyist in your free time, you can work all day, pay someone else a fractionof your paycheck to sweat the details of making coffee, and enjoy a good cup of coffee while indulging in whatever your actual timewasting hobby happens to be.
That's what I do, and it works out great.
I already obsess about having the perfect game of Civ, why should I obsess about having the perfect cup of coffee, too?
Except that where acupuncture appears to work well in an area where science still understands very little, homeopathy appears to fail miserably and in direct contradiction to well-established and understood scientific principles.
Well, if homeopathic medicines actually work as advertised, why would we need to send them at all.
Come to think of it, why would we even be sick in the first place? Wouldn't we already all be bathed in the beneficial and health-giving vibrations of the trace homeopathic elements in our environment?
Ah, but they're not on-topic. The topic was solar power in Silicon Valley. That's what I came to read about, not some fancy ranting about moderation. It might be the foremost topic in your mind, but don't assume everybody else shares your sense of urgency or caring. It might even be important to discuss moderation issues, but that doesn't make it on-topic.
I wholeheartedly agree that there should be a topic for moderation, but that doesn't make the issue relevant to anything else.
All you've done here is hijack the top of a totally unrelated discussion to no end at all, since your audience is made up of two totally groups of people: The Choir and Those Who Do Not Care. Neither group is useful to your purpose. The Choir has already memorized your sermon (indeed, most of them believe they thought of it first), and Those Who Do Not Care... well, they don't care.
Have you considered ranting about moderation issues in your journal, and linking to your journal from your.sig? That way The Choir, and any clueless newbies who naively assume that there's something meaningful to be said on the subject, can find the discussion easily enough, while the rest of us can get on with the deeply fascinating Solar Power discussion.
In a sense,/. journals give each member the ability to create as many custom topics as they want, and advertise them throughout the site via their sigs, without interfering with the other conversations going on. Seeing as how you missed that possibility, why should I think your solution to the moderation issue has any merit?
And yet Rumsfeld walked into that meeting with facts and figures, and a substantial answer ready to go. It seems to me that he expected that question, intended to answer it, and did so. This strongly suggests that Rumsfeld knew it was a pain point for the troops, assumed he'd get asked about it, and felt that a detailed answer would be appropriate. All of which leads me to supsect that it will get addressed.
There's still the matter of the "he said/she said" between Rumsfeld and the manufacturer, of course...
...making it easier for the Whitehouse to dismiss it.
Why would the White house dismiss the question? Have you read the transcript? Rumsfeld answered the question. If anything, he was more prepared than the reporter was.
Since it only takes one moderation to hide a perfectly good post, there is no way to reasoanably read slashdot at anything other but -1.
That's funny. I seem to be having the opposite problem: Some kind of offtopic wankery has irrupted on my otherwise quite reasonable Slashdot experience.
Clearly, it's not as easy to mod posts down as some of us would like.
Unless, of course, it turns out to be like laying off a 45 year old with 15 years of industry experience, so you can give an 18 year old a foothold in the industry. That would be disastrous for everybody, including the 18 year old...
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I couldn't care less about the Wikipedia "history page", in this context. We're discussing what a good search algorithm should do, in the case that it gets two different Wiki pages, with different content, on the same topic.
My conclusion is that the search algorithm should return both pages in its search results, not only making me aware of the change over time, but giving me a quick and easy way to compare and contrast the two versions.
Obviously, if I was restricting my search to the canonical Wiki of the day, I'd simply lookup the topic in the Wiki itself, and make use of the "history page" you speak of to learn about changes.
Maybe that's why nobody Google cares about links to the damn thing, and why Google itself has a hard time indexing it in any useful way:
Maybe the problem has nothing at all to do with Google's alleged limitations, and everything to do with asshats building websites that are unsearchable for both the best search engines currently available and for the human mind itself.
Why would you Google for the user manual, instead of just going straight to Sony's website?
Google's rankings are based in part on what other people care about. The results you're seeing are because people are more interested in finding and using websites where they can buy the product, rather than the manufacturer's official brochure page for the product. And since that page is trivial to find, if you really do need it, it would end up being noise on most Google searches for the product.
When I need a manual for a server in my datacenter, I don't go to Google. I go straight to the vendor's website. Works every time.
And if it was an old fork, and a major rewrite, I'd appreciate the opportunity to compare the two versions. Also, if the algorithm didn't eliminate one of the two results in this scenario, then by definition they're two separate results, each containing unique information that the other does not have. Giving you one copy of the old Wiki and one copy of the new Wiki seems like exactly what such an algorithm should do, in this scenario.
And the moment any one of these other technologies becomes at all useful, except in certain limited applications, the technology will be acquired by one of the search engines that everybody actually cares about (coughGooglecough), and the functionality will be added to their Internet search solution.
It's funny because it's ironic.
[Several paragraphs intended to explain the funny, before I realized that if you don't already understand irony, I can't actually help you. Trust me, there's a way to look at this post, in which it does in fact appear to be a funny post. Try looking at it in that way. It's a good trick to learn.]
Anyway, your bigotry is amazing. Did it never occur to you to blame global warming on the rapidly growing (and accelerating!) Chinese industrial economy?
No, it's always "the Americans this, the Americans that", as if there's nobody else in all the world.
The world climate is a massive system. The amount of energy needed to make even the smallest perceptible change would be colossal. The entire industrial base of a very wealthy, very large, very industrialized nation might have an effect, over a long period of time (as appears to have been the case), but I doubt a few hundred thousand SUVs more or less has the kind of impact you imagine it does.
Seriously. If you want to talk about this, start talking in terms of the number of factories and power plants North America currently has running. Or the number of factories and power plants China plans to build over the next fifty years.
This SUV meme is a sideshow, a misdirection. A clever ruse, meant to distract you from the massive amounts of industrialization that make your lifestyle possible, and keep you alive in a harsh, dangerous, unforgiving world, while all the while contributing to the global warming you fear so much.
Everything you do, from the shoes you wear to the computer you use to post these inane diatribes against SUVs, is a sin against nature and humanity. Stop wearing manufactured clothes! Stop using electricity! Stop buying groceries! Do you know how much industrial activity went into creating the distribution system you rely on, to obtain goods and services ranging from breakfast cereal to flu vaccines?
Anyway, the fact is that the most "advanced" economies are slowly but surely moving away from old-school, highly polluting technolgies, to more modern, cleaner, and more efficient technologies. It is slow, maybe too slow, but it is happening. And it's either this, moving forward from industrialization to something cleaner (if we can get there in time), or else moving backwards, to feudalism or primitive hunting and gathering (if we're capable of getting there at all, at this stage).
Enough with the anti-SUV rants. If you really want to make a difference, convince China to return to the stone age ASAP. (Or at least come up with a way to get them to the post-industrial "clean technology" stage without going through the industrial stage... but good luck; even the most advanced civs are still trying work out the details on that one).
The only thing your explanation overlooks is the fact that nobody can opt-out of Social Security. Sure, I can opt in to all kinds of other, optional retirement insurance schemes, but if I try to keep my Social Security payments, and put them into a plan that I'm convinced will give me better insurance, I go to jail.
You're kidding, right?
This isn't a newsroom you're looking at. It's a live feed from a room full of people who aren't news presenters or TV storytellers. It's footage of them doing their jobs, making the news that the news presenters and TV storytellers will happily present to you in a polished, TV-tastic format. If that's what you want, go to the news channels.
The more time these NASA types spend working on making their operations center telegenic to you, the less time they'll be spending on actually making their operations center a center for operations.
How would you like it if your company's stockholders first put a live webcam in your office, and then complained that you didn't take enough time out from doing your job, to pimp your job to them live throughout your workday?
Word. I hear that, on all counts. And where it's my pet peeve on the prowl, I'm as unreasonable as they get. Good luck!
There was a time when these movies had not been made. There was just you and the comics. And life was good.
After these movies are made, there will still be you and the comics. Life will still be good.
There was a time when there was a bad movie in the theaters, but you did not go see it, and you did not suffer. Life was good.
There was also a time when there was a bad movie, and you did go see it, and you did suffer. But then the movie was over, and life was good again.
These movies can't "ruin" anything, since the comic still exists, and your enjoment of it was uninformed by the yet-unmade movie you fear so much.
Try not to get too worked up over a problem you simply do not have.
Oh, well, hey, make whatever excuses you need to make, to justify cheating your employer and slacking on the job. I hope it all works out for you.
You're insane. This article is about more granluar tracking of fleet operations.
Truckfulls of packages that have to be a certain place by a certain time.
Is all of Slashdot this stupid, or did the smarty men just take a vacation?
You do understand that this is about more granular tracking of fleet operations, right? Not cubicle farm migration patterns.
How is this unfortunate?
Or, if you're not a coffee hobbyist in your free time, you can work all day, pay someone else a fractionof your paycheck to sweat the details of making coffee, and enjoy a good cup of coffee while indulging in whatever your actual timewasting hobby happens to be.
That's what I do, and it works out great.
I already obsess about having the perfect game of Civ, why should I obsess about having the perfect cup of coffee, too?
Except that where acupuncture appears to work well in an area where science still understands very little, homeopathy appears to fail miserably and in direct contradiction to well-established and understood scientific principles.
Well, if homeopathic medicines actually work as advertised, why would we need to send them at all.
Come to think of it, why would we even be sick in the first place? Wouldn't we already all be bathed in the beneficial and health-giving vibrations of the trace homeopathic elements in our environment?
Sure you will! For very large values of green eggs...
I wholeheartedly agree that there should be a topic for moderation, but that doesn't make the issue relevant to anything else.
All you've done here is hijack the top of a totally unrelated discussion to no end at all, since your audience is made up of two totally groups of people: The Choir and Those Who Do Not Care. Neither group is useful to your purpose. The Choir has already memorized your sermon (indeed, most of them believe they thought of it first), and Those Who Do Not Care... well, they don't care.
Have you considered ranting about moderation issues in your journal, and linking to your journal from your .sig? That way The Choir, and any clueless newbies who naively assume that there's something meaningful to be said on the subject, can find the discussion easily enough, while the rest of us can get on with the deeply fascinating Solar Power discussion.
In a sense, /. journals give each member the ability to create as many custom topics as they want, and advertise them throughout the site via their sigs, without interfering with the other conversations going on. Seeing as how you missed that possibility, why should I think your solution to the moderation issue has any merit?
And yet Rumsfeld walked into that meeting with facts and figures, and a substantial answer ready to go. It seems to me that he expected that question, intended to answer it, and did so. This strongly suggests that Rumsfeld knew it was a pain point for the troops, assumed he'd get asked about it, and felt that a detailed answer would be appropriate. All of which leads me to supsect that it will get addressed.
There's still the matter of the "he said/she said" between Rumsfeld and the manufacturer, of course...
That, and a weather machine.
Why would the White house dismiss the question? Have you read the transcript? Rumsfeld answered the question. If anything, he was more prepared than the reporter was.
That's funny. I seem to be having the opposite problem: Some kind of offtopic wankery has irrupted on my otherwise quite reasonable Slashdot experience.
Clearly, it's not as easy to mod posts down as some of us would like.
Yeah, but technically it's the people doing the electing who are running the show, and they step down only once every generation or so.
Besides, history shows that the longer you leave a statesman in power, the less good comes of it. What this implies about democracies, I'm not sure.
Unless, of course, it turns out to be like laying off a 45 year old with 15 years of industry experience, so you can give an 18 year old a foothold in the industry. That would be disastrous for everybody, including the 18 year old...