Our unofficial Slackware mirrors are here. Some of us have been up to date with RC1 as of last night.. I'm sure the rest will be there soon, if not already.
"dd if=/dev/hdb1 of=/dev/hda1" can work, but if for example hda1 is larger than hdb1, it will be truncated to the hdb1's length. Also, if you have any fs errors, they'll copy straight over to hdb1. It's a better idea to use something like cp -a or rsync, that way you can easily verify what's been copied if you have to abort sometime.
FYI, I was one of the people speaking with Pat minutes before it went official. I submitted this to Slashdot less than 5 minutes after the notice was posted to slackware.com. Trust me, you didn't get here before me:)
I've asked various people in the past why I would want to upgrade to Apache 2.x, and most people admit that the main reasons wouldn't convince many users to upgrade yet, especially combined with the the authors of PHP and other modules stating that Apache 2.0 doesn't yet work very well with these other packages.
Until it becomes very compatible with these other modules and proves itself to be reliable with increased usage down the road, I doubt 2.x will be included in Slackware very soon. Also, with the type of user that Slackware attracts, it's not unreasonable for those that want Apache 2.x be expected to be able to build it for themselves.
Then again, there's always LinuxPackages.net, but that's another story (notice how I didn't link to the site...).
Exactly. Slackware is still Slackware, and it will remain that way, as evidenced by Pat's entries in the Changelog for another similar package:
extra/slackpkg-0.99/slackpkg-0.99-noarch-4.tgz: Added slackpkg, a simple tool for keeping a Slackware system up-to-date. Thanks to Piter Punk for quickly fixing a few last-minute bugs, and reminding me that I'd promised to add this. It's only fair, especially as I'm not a big believer in automated dependency handling.:-)
Slackware 9.0 ISOs began appearing earlier in the day. Many mirrors (at least, the unofficial ones listed elsewhere on this page) should have them by now.
Wow, with the demise of these space limitations, RMS can now fully install and use his favorite text-editor-cum-OS on a Hurd system! It must be awful for him currently, having to make do without such essentials as M-x tetris and all...
Well, hey, I guess the point IS moot.. We could discuss this till cows fly out of my ass, and we still wouldn't get anywhere because neither of us currently knows the full details of any of this.
Think of it this way: I write a relay bot. Hell, call it an eggdrop module just to simplify things. It sits on EFnet, IRCnet, OFTC, and Freenode. There's an #kde on EFnet, a #c++ on IRCnet, and #slashdot on OFTC. I want to visit all 3 of these channels, but dislike having to connect to 3 different networks. So, I connect to Freenode and am able to view all 3 channels through the just one overall IRC connection. How am I seeing the 3 channels? The bot's on them, on their respective networks. As a normal user (just like most bots). Users that can be k-lined. You've surely seen spammers on other networks? Report them to chanops and what happens? Permban. Report them to ircops and what happens? Looky there, k-lined! The same thing could be done to this bot.
So, I don't see any reason any of these networks would have to put up with behavior that they don't allow. Of course, I'm sure I simplified this whole PDPC/Freenode plan quite a bit, but... who cares.
Looks like both of us should remove the blunts from our respective mouths. I made an error in my previous post, and you misunderstood something I said somewhere under there:
and for this lilo must remain at the top, at least until OPN is closer to this goal.
I shouldn't have said lilo "must" remain at the top here, that sort of implies that I think being an IRCop should be a fulltime job. I don't, so what I should have said would be something along the lines that since afaik this hub-like-thing is lilo's idea, OPN/Freenode is something that lilo started, and (shit... I just got sidetracked for 30 mins, if I lose coherence here, bear with me) that (shit, pulled away yet again...) assuming lilo has a job (which he does), he should be allowed to carry out this plan.
And now, the part you misunderstood: I was not commenting on whether the plan is feasible at all or not, I was simply explaining it. Even if it turns out to be one big failure, why should you care? Just stay on whichever network you choose to be on, OFTC or other.
Blah, this post probably sucks by now... it's only been over an hour start-to-finish now. Anyway, I think I managed to get my points across.
I'm sorry, but I would much rather send my money to USEFULL projects such as Debian or KDE.
So don't pay him. Ignore the fundraising requests so you don't have to see them again, and be happy. That's been one of the points all along: if you support what lilo's doing, feel that a contribution would help, and can afford it, then contribute. If for _any_ reason you cannot or do not want to contribute, then don't.
Let me just pick a bit of confusion out of the trollness here:
Let me guess for the "priveledge" of being connected to "Freenode" you have to accept a bunch of spam and corny behavior from lilo.
I don't know if I implied this in my previous post (too lazy to re-read it right now), but of course, being a "part" of Freenode's relay-type-network wouldn't mean any changes at all to the underlying network. Freenode would just try to present a higher level "supernetwork" that would be comprised of what users would see if they were to use many different IRC servers. Unless those networks _wanted_ to delegate powers to Freenode, for some strange reason...
Let's see.. he "spammed" Global Notices. When it got to be too much, he (eventually) toned it down and after that started using Fundraising Notices. So, I'll give you the first one, and the fifth one. Global Notices via lilo, and then those via fundraising. Funny, seems to me that the fundraising nick is a solution to everyone bitching about the previous notices.
I'd have to say that trelane is greatly exaggerating (or hasn't been on OPN lately). He moved to OFTC during the height of lilo's Global Notices, and afaik has only visited OPN occasionally since then.
At that time, lilo was sending quite a few Global Notices everyday, which stated the current state of funds, advertised his page with information about his job situation, and other stuff. Many people were understandably very annoyed at these messages, while others saw it as something that had to be done. Of course, people could always "/ignore global noti" to ignore these messages, but Global Notices tend to be something important, and so people were unwilling to block every message to avoid the funding notices.
A while after that, the amount of fundraising messages dropped significantly, but many people still held a grudge against lilo's actions during the days mentioned above.
Now, recently this has changed altogether: A target amount has been set for the fundraising, and 2 semi-global notices are sent out everyday via the nick "fundraising" and detail the amount of money raised and the remaining amount. Don't want to see the messages ever again? Then do what the same message tells you to do, and set an ignore via "/ignore fundraising noti". Voila, no more fundraising notices. Ever.
Of course, people still hold their grudges against lilo's past (brief) actions and his desire to stay head of OPN/PDPC/Freenode at least during the shift in goals. They're now on OFTC or some other network, so hey, whatever makes them happy.
Oh, and trelane, yes I know you, I'm amrit on OPN. "Forced oppression" my ass.
I can't speak on the long-term, but I do know that recently OpenProjects has been aiming for a different goal than the current presence of just another IRC network, and for this lilo must remain at the top, at least until OPN is closer to this goal. This goal is the reason behind the name change to Peer Directed Projects Center/Freenode.
From what I understand (I spoke with lilo about this maybe a month ago, so things may have changed), OPN/PDPC/Freenode is looking to become, as the name applies, sort of a hub that would encompass all other IRC networks that serve opensource projects. Think of it all as one big ass relay-bot, that would simplify IRC to the point where different networks are somewhat transparent. Freenode would still continue to run it's own IRC servers as part of this larger network, so you could either be on the Freenode IRC network, an independent IRC network (non-Freenode), or the larger "supernetwork".
Like I said, I only heard of this during the stage when it was being discussed privately.. A little may have changed, or a lot may have changed. My understanding of the concept may now be much different from what is actually being implemented. Anyone with corrections, feel free to chime in. And for the official word on Freenode (which I have not read lately), see freenode.info.
Slashdot Mirror
Wha? Slack isn't a part-time effort, Pat works on it full time.
Our unofficial Slackware mirrors are here. Some of us have been up to date with RC1 as of last night.. I'm sure the rest will be there soon, if not already.
Xorg's release notes state that it will look for the old XF86Config if the new xorg.conf doesn't exist.
More info about the similarities/differences of X11R6.7 and XF86 4.4 at fdo.
"dd if=/dev/hdb1 of=/dev/hda1" can work, but if for example hda1 is larger than hdb1, it will be truncated to the hdb1's length. Also, if you have any fs errors, they'll copy straight over to hdb1. It's a better idea to use something like cp -a or rsync, that way you can easily verify what's been copied if you have to abort sometime.
I hope you smacked the owner, some things are just _wrong_. And anyway, SBC 400s are supposed to be the thing to drop in Fieros :)
FYI, I was one of the people speaking with Pat minutes before it went official. I submitted this to Slashdot less than 5 minutes after the notice was posted to slackware.com. Trust me, you didn't get here before me :)
like a 1967 Chevy Camaro with a 454 Hemi in it.
/. isn't exactly full of car experts..
A Chevy... with a Chrysler motor... with Chevy sized displacement... something tells me
I've asked various people in the past why I would want to upgrade to Apache 2.x, and most people admit that the main reasons wouldn't convince many users to upgrade yet, especially combined with the the authors of PHP and other modules stating that Apache 2.0 doesn't yet work very well with these other packages.
Until it becomes very compatible with these other modules and proves itself to be reliable with increased usage down the road, I doubt 2.x will be included in Slackware very soon. Also, with the type of user that Slackware attracts, it's not unreasonable for those that want Apache 2.x be expected to be able to build it for themselves.
Then again, there's always LinuxPackages.net, but that's another story (notice how I didn't link to the site...).
Exactly. Slackware is still Slackware, and it will remain that way, as evidenced by Pat's entries in the Changelog for another similar package:
:-)
extra/slackpkg-0.99/slackpkg-0.99-noarch-4.tgz: Added slackpkg, a simple tool for keeping a Slackware system up-to-date. Thanks to Piter Punk for quickly fixing a few last-minute bugs, and reminding me that I'd promised to add this. It's only fair, especially as I'm not a big believer in automated dependency handling.
Slackware 9.0 ISOs began appearing earlier in the day. Many mirrors (at least, the unofficial ones listed elsewhere on this page) should have them by now.
Wow man, that was awesome! I've never laughed so hard in my life...
Wow, with the demise of these space limitations, RMS can now fully install and use his favorite text-editor-cum-OS on a Hurd system! It must be awful for him currently, having to make do without such essentials as M-x tetris and all...
That, or hell...
;)
Though, these days what's the difference?
Well, hey, I guess the point IS moot.. We could discuss this till cows fly out of my ass, and we still wouldn't get anywhere because neither of us currently knows the full details of any of this.
:)
So, how about a good old fashioned "fuck it"?
Heh, good lord I could've swore I made it clear!
Think of it this way: I write a relay bot. Hell, call it an eggdrop module just to simplify things. It sits on EFnet, IRCnet, OFTC, and Freenode. There's an #kde on EFnet, a #c++ on IRCnet, and #slashdot on OFTC. I want to visit all 3 of these channels, but dislike having to connect to 3 different networks. So, I connect to Freenode and am able to view all 3 channels through the just one overall IRC connection. How am I seeing the 3 channels? The bot's on them, on their respective networks. As a normal user (just like most bots). Users that can be k-lined. You've surely seen spammers on other networks? Report them to chanops and what happens? Permban. Report them to ircops and what happens? Looky there, k-lined! The same thing could be done to this bot.
So, I don't see any reason any of these networks would have to put up with behavior that they don't allow. Of course, I'm sure I simplified this whole PDPC/Freenode plan quite a bit, but... who cares.
Looks like both of us should remove the blunts from our respective mouths. I made an error in my previous post, and you misunderstood something I said somewhere under there:
and for this lilo must remain at the top, at least until OPN is closer to this goal.
I shouldn't have said lilo "must" remain at the top here, that sort of implies that I think being an IRCop should be a fulltime job. I don't, so what I should have said would be something along the lines that since afaik this hub-like-thing is lilo's idea, OPN/Freenode is something that lilo started, and (shit... I just got sidetracked for 30 mins, if I lose coherence here, bear with me) that (shit, pulled away yet again...) assuming lilo has a job (which he does), he should be allowed to carry out this plan.
And now, the part you misunderstood: I was not commenting on whether the plan is feasible at all or not, I was simply explaining it. Even if it turns out to be one big failure, why should you care? Just stay on whichever network you choose to be on, OFTC or other.
Blah, this post probably sucks by now... it's only been over an hour start-to-finish now. Anyway, I think I managed to get my points across.
Thank you, I do try my best.
I'm sorry, but I would much rather send my money to USEFULL projects such as Debian or KDE .
So don't pay him. Ignore the fundraising requests so you don't have to see them again, and be happy. That's been one of the points all along: if you support what lilo's doing, feel that a contribution would help, and can afford it, then contribute. If for _any_ reason you cannot or do not want to contribute, then don't.
Is this supposed to mean anything?
20 seconds, yadda yadda..
I don't know if I implied this in my previous post (too lazy to re-read it right now), but of course, being a "part" of Freenode's relay-type-network wouldn't mean any changes at all to the underlying network. Freenode would just try to present a higher level "supernetwork" that would be comprised of what users would see if they were to use many different IRC servers. Unless those networks _wanted_ to delegate powers to Freenode, for some strange reason...
Let's see.. he "spammed" Global Notices. When it got to be too much, he (eventually) toned it down and after that started using Fundraising Notices. So, I'll give you the first one, and the fifth one. Global Notices via lilo, and then those via fundraising. Funny, seems to me that the fundraising nick is a solution to everyone bitching about the previous notices.
Yet the bitching and exaggeration continue...
I'd have to say that trelane is greatly exaggerating (or hasn't been on OPN lately). He moved to OFTC during the height of lilo's Global Notices, and afaik has only visited OPN occasionally since then.
At that time, lilo was sending quite a few Global Notices everyday, which stated the current state of funds, advertised his page with information about his job situation, and other stuff. Many people were understandably very annoyed at these messages, while others saw it as something that had to be done. Of course, people could always "/ignore global noti" to ignore these messages, but Global Notices tend to be something important, and so people were unwilling to block every message to avoid the funding notices.
A while after that, the amount of fundraising messages dropped significantly, but many people still held a grudge against lilo's actions during the days mentioned above.
Now, recently this has changed altogether: A target amount has been set for the fundraising, and 2 semi-global notices are sent out everyday via the nick "fundraising" and detail the amount of money raised and the remaining amount. Don't want to see the messages ever again? Then do what the same message tells you to do, and set an ignore via "/ignore fundraising noti". Voila, no more fundraising notices. Ever.
Of course, people still hold their grudges against lilo's past (brief) actions and his desire to stay head of OPN/PDPC/Freenode at least during the shift in goals. They're now on OFTC or some other network, so hey, whatever makes them happy.
Oh, and trelane, yes I know you, I'm amrit on OPN. "Forced oppression" my ass.
I can't speak on the long-term, but I do know that recently OpenProjects has been aiming for a different goal than the current presence of just another IRC network, and for this lilo must remain at the top, at least until OPN is closer to this goal. This goal is the reason behind the name change to Peer Directed Projects Center/Freenode.
From what I understand (I spoke with lilo about this maybe a month ago, so things may have changed), OPN/PDPC/Freenode is looking to become, as the name applies, sort of a hub that would encompass all other IRC networks that serve opensource projects. Think of it all as one big ass relay-bot, that would simplify IRC to the point where different networks are somewhat transparent. Freenode would still continue to run it's own IRC servers as part of this larger network, so you could either be on the Freenode IRC network, an independent IRC network (non-Freenode), or the larger "supernetwork".
Like I said, I only heard of this during the stage when it was being discussed privately.. A little may have changed, or a lot may have changed. My understanding of the concept may now be much different from what is actually being implemented. Anyone with corrections, feel free to chime in. And for the official word on Freenode (which I have not read lately), see freenode.info.
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