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Slackware 10.0 Officially Released
BRTB writes "Slackware 10.0 is out! X.org 6.7.0, kernel 2.4.26 (2.6.7 optional), KDE 3.2.3, GNOME 2.6.1, GCC 3.3.4... it's all new, and just as stable as you'd expect from Slackware, if RC2 was any indication. There's an official announcement, as well as some ISO BitTorrent links, and a mirror list. Of course, the non-cheapskates among us should go buy the CD-set to support the project. Have fun, everybody..."
Although, I'm sure Slack is the greatest it ever was, and won't let me down. If I had DSL, I would get it right away, but...56K doesn't believe in fast downloads. Yes, I'm still in the stone age.
finally, I love Slack I cant wait to give this a spin.
anyone tested x.org 6.7.0 . i want to know if it supports proper 2D drivers for later radeons (9600 and later) out-of-box? i know xfree86 4.4.0 does.
Marge, get me your address book, 4 beers, and my conversation hat.
Damn, and I am going home now too. Wait, I know...
Me: Hey, can you go grab slackware 10 for me?
My GF: Sure.
Me: They have bittorrents...
My GF: I know. Already downloading...
Oh yeah. Tech girlfriends...the only way to download distro's. =)
Jason Lotito
Perhaps its not completely germane, since it was announced a while ago, but again, kudos to Slack for moving to X.org so quickly. The faster everyone gets away from X the better we all are.
"There is no time, sir, at which ties do not matter," Jeeves, (Jeeves and the Impending Doom)
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Well, I guess that explains why my connection is so slow today.
Be seeing you...
You do realize that Linux itself is a "garage basement project"?
The surprise isn't how often we make bad choices; the surprise is how seldom they defeat us.
33600 USR external with a flaky power supply connector that I have to hold in or the fricken thing will fall out. But I am the best one-handed typist that you will ever see...
From excellent karma to terible karma with a single +5 funny post...
Slackware 9.1 gave me a great few days setting it up. I'm definately going to have to try Slack 10.
ok... so I'm a total nerd... so what?
Bah. Not Slackware X, not Slackware XP.
;)
C'mon! Where's the marketing, folks?
-PM
500GB of disk, 5TB of transfer, $5.95/mo
Just what Linux needs... Yet Another Distro
Please, keep these garage basement projects out of the news... we already have enough distros. Thanks.
Yep, that's right, the distrobution that was out before kernel 1.0 is now considered Yet Another Distro. Oh how the times have changed.
Slackware rocks! I have been meaning to try X-org, so I guess this is as good a time as any.
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Any recommendations out there on how to move from SUSE 9.1 to Slack 10.0? I recently started using Linux again. The previous was Slack 4.0 or something like that. Really old, 5 years ago. I always liked Slackware back then and would like to go back to it, really just for the sake of doing it. Rather than blowing out my linux partition and restarting, is there a way I could migrate?
Does Slackware have an apt/"windows update"-style auto-update tool yet?
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There is a spark in every single flame bait point.
This looks exciting. I can't wait to try this one out. Especially as it has 2.6.7 in it.
Why are some linux releases still hanging onto the 2.4.26 kernel, or relasing two kernels (Knoppix comes to mind) ?
Th2 2.4 kernel tree still has that floating point kernel bug in it, doesn't it?
READY.
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Hrm, seems my writeup was rearranged a bit... I _do_ know how to write, I promise! =] Slightly corrected one below.
BRTB writes "Slackware 10.0 is out! X.org 6.7.0, kernel 2.4.26 (2.6.7 optional), KDE 3.2.3, GNOME 2.6.1, GCC 3.3.4... it's all new, and just as stable as you'd expect from Slackware, if RC2 was any indication. There's an official announcement and some ISO BitTorrent links, as well as a mirror list. Of course, the non-cheapskates among us should go buy the CD-set to support the project. Have fun, everybody..."
I ran Slackware on my PC for years, but have recently switched to a Powerbook. I'd like to run Linux, and I've investigated dual-booting with either Debian or Gentoo.
I'm having trouble finding good resources, though these people seem to have made some progress... last November.
I've had a difficult time finding a current PPC port of Slackware. Has anyone experimented with building a Slackware base system on a G4 from some other distro, or had any luck with some other approach?
No kidding. Slack has been around for a WHILE. I'm moving back to it just for the nostalgia value :) Seriously.
You moron.
slack is one of the first distros!
Where did the 6.7 come from? I guess I can see the 6 from X11R6 but when was 6.1 - 6.5 released?
Does anyone know the historical reasons why X.org's first release it called 6.7?
Oh, bah. It's not like there weren't Linux distributions before this or anything...
You people, with your "money" and "broadband connections." And me stuck on AOL :(
Oh well, it looks good.
Just what Slashdot needs.... Yet Another Troll
Please, keep these garage basement posts out of the news... we already have enough trolls. Thanks.
What do slackware users perceive as its strengths? My perception is that slackware is the distro where you install everything from tarballs, with no automatic system for satisfying dependencies (as you'd have in Debian, Gentoo, or FreeBSD, for instance).
Actually I'm starting to feel that automatic systems for installing software and satisfying dependencies are more trouble than they're worth. In FreeBSD, I often feel like a prisoner of the ports system. If I want to run application A, it forces me to upgrade library B. But then the new version of B breaks application C. Oops! Try recompiling C. No, that doesn't work. Oh, it's because C depends on library D, which then depends on B, so you really need to recompile D. Note how the whole story started because this automated system felt it was so important for me to upgrade library B, when in fact I would have probably been fine not upgrading it.
The real issues are (a) software needs careful testing, and (b) open-source hackers are sloppy about making changes that break stuff. If slackware is really thoroughly tested, that could be great...
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Yet Another Distro? At version 10? Think before you post man.
Go not unto/. for advice, for you will be told both yea and nay (but have nothing to do with the question)
I wonder how many self proclaimed linux geeks know how to pronounce Yggsdrasil.
So what's your point?
Humor.
KFG
...what is the draw to Slackware? I have used (and loved) both SUSE and Debian for years and use them as my primary systems (along with OS X and Solaris). SUSE has YAST. Debian (and based distros) has the best (in my opinion) package management system. RedHat has....ummmm...well, I'm sure it has something. Anyway, since I've never used Slackware, what are its best qualities? I'm very curious as it seems to garner a lot of respect.
If slackware will work, out of the box, with my Linksys WMP54G wireless card, I'll start using it yesterday.
Anybody know?
why are you talking to your right hand?
Anything that came after SLS is just Yet Another Distro...
I have been a Slackware user since 1996. I've seen it grow all through these years, and even though it didn't get as popular as Redhat, Mandrake, SuSE or Debian, I stuck with them. It's been Slackware from the first Internet server I've installed in 1996 to my new personal server this year. I've never been so proud of my distribution of choice! My thanks goes to Patrick Volkerding for all his effort. He actually replied to my emails years back...however minor my concerns were. Thank you for taking care of your Slackware users.
Slackware has always been releasing the latest software, although this time they sounded 'too Debian' by releasing a 2.4 kernel claiming it was more 'stable' than 2.6. This is a first. They still don't have a packaging tool to match apt. Well, maybe someday... Nonetheless, viva la Slackware!
Or maybe he just likes being contrary...
In other news, Nasa scientists were recently overheard complaining about a garage basement spaceship making national news.
Yeah, I don't think anyone else got it...
I mean, come on people... really.
Yeah, that's why it's funny.
Slightly off-topic, but hey. The site is slashdotted with a "too many connections error"
<rant>
This is why just about no-one should use php's mysql_pconnect function. It sounds great, "Oh cool it will keep the connection open so apache doesn't have to reconnect to the server." The connection overhead when mysql is running on the same machine is minimal, and you don't run into this problem where apache spawns 50 child processes, each of with its own persistent connection, and eventually you get the "too many connections error".
</rant>
:wq
I CAN'T be the only one frightened by the concept of a Jo linux.
Yggdrasil - (Igg Druh Sill) First Linux distro I ever used. Came with retarded video, with a classroom full of people nodding with a clueless look on their faces . . .
Can I get an eye poke?
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Ive noticed that people seem to hold slackware in a high respect and I just wanted to know what makes it different from the rest.
spend money here
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slackware-10.0-iso/
- slackware-10.0-install-d1.iso
- slackware-10.0-install-d1.iso.asc
- slackware-10.0-install-d1.iso.md5
- slackware-10.0-iso/ (subdir with same name as parent dir!)
- slackware-10.0-install-d2.iso
- slackware-10.0-install-d2.iso.asc
- slackware-10.0-install-d2.iso.md5
- slackware-10.0-source-d3.iso
- slackware-10.0-source-d3.iso.asc
- slackware-10.0-source-d3.iso.md5
- slackware-10.0-source-d4.iso
- slackware-10.0-source-d4.iso.asc
- slackware-10.0-source-d4.iso.md5
Not the prettiest layout for the disks, IMO.Nevertheless, I'll leave it running for the next few days (got to use my 1mb upload for something, right :-)
This may be an artifact of linux, as I've noticed it before with a few pieces of code I wrote where a directory already existed, and it created another with the same name under it ...
Yes.
hahahaha.....hahaha.....ha....ha?
Sorry, dont get it. Its either a very poor attempt at humor or a poor attempt to try to make people believe it was humor to cover a bad comment. Ill go with the later.
"non-cheapskates among us should go buy the CD-set to support the project"
If you want to support the project you dont need to buy anything, donate directly and all the money you wanted to donate (not just part of it) you reach the end you wanted.
RedHat was the very first distro I ever used, which was several years ago. Eventually, I tried out several other distros once I was comfortable with RedHat and once I came to Slackware, I hated it more than life. It was so hard to configure and was much different than RedHat.
Eventually, I did get it working and I am so happy that I did. Slackware has been my favorite distribution of Linux ever since, and I continue to use it today on all my linux pc's. Gentoo was ok, but something about Slackware keeps me coming back. I'm currently on my P4 3.2ghz Laptop running Slackware 9.1, while my server upstairs which hosts all my projects and work is running Slackware 9. At my parents' house (I live with my gf in an apartment at college), my mp3 server still runs to this day running some oooold version of Slackware from 1998. It still is just as stable and just as good. It's a 486, so it has no reason to upgrade anything. The system runs stable and fine for all the hardware and all the tasks it needs.
Eventually, I'd like to have my desktop upstairs running linux. It's hard to part with MS Flight Simulator though and I need Macromedia Flash for development.
Either way, this is my thank you to Patrick for giving me a beautiful and stable distro.
The greatest experience we can have is the mysterious.
- Albert Einstein
One of Windows strengths (only) is that you can have multiple versions of dll's. This started with Windows2k.
/usr/lib most non system dlls are in seperate directories of where the apps are installed. When you run an .exe setup program it only copies the dlls that are needed or puts its won dlls in their own private folders.
.so and tools for each version of the app. That way we can run old RH4 apps and Linux apps in FreeBSD without a problem.
Yes the infamouse GP faults were the cause of conflicts and wrong dll versions but Windows tracks each one and applies the right version of the dll for the right app at runtime.
Why can't unix do this? ALso instead of having everything in
Korn who worked some unix services for Windows commented that he liked the idea of having seperate libraries in each folder.
Why can't we do this?
Also many older apps wont run on Linux or emulated well in FreeBSD. Why? Because of linking to newer versions of libraries and tools that are incompatible.
It would be great to have the kernel decide which
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It will work just like Xfree did.
"We're breaking out the ramen noodles. . . "
"Really? Is it someone's birthday?"
Slackware, I felt, has always kept a solid balance of stability and newer packages. I wouldn't doubt that Pat saw all the errors and problems people have been having with the 2.6 family and decided to hold back, as he would much rather have a kernel he knows is solid, stable, and proven than one that could give his worshipers problems. KISS (keep it simple stupid) applies the most here because of the drastic changes from 2.4 to 2.6 in terms of configuration. From Alsa to OSS, to even SCSI emulation, a lot of things have changed that he may not feel the slackware userbase want's just yet.
"We're breaking out the ramen noodles. . . "
"Really? Is it someone's birthday?"
When I started out, I cut my teeth on Mandrake. It was easy, but I did nothing for two weeks but say, "Man! Look at all these fractal programs!" A week later I installed slack...that's when I began to love *nix. The curve went from a slope of zero to exponential. The slackware installer even has a good intro for a newbie. It's nothing to be afraid of.
Sorry, dont get it.
Watch more Black Adder.
KFG
it couldn't have been said better.
I'm coming from a Mandrake background, but switched to Slack 9.1 last year.
I upgraded most of my packages via swaret over the past few days, upgraded to KDE 3.2.3, replaced Xfree86 with X.org, upgraded to Mozilla 1.7 etc. And I updated my kernel to 2.6.7 last week.
So am I pretty much running Slack 10.0 already, aside from a few minor packages here and there that might need to be upgraded using swaret?
Once you you Slack, You'll never go Back.
Been running it before 94.
Eh?
Surely, you meant to say "XFree86", and not just "X".
+5, even. Truly amazing.
Kid-proof tablet..
I am genuinely curious. People are raving
about slackware but not saying what is so
great about it.
This is not a troll, I really sincerely want
to know. I have no opinion about Slackware,
its been over 10 years since I used it. It
gets little press these days compared to Redhat.
So why would one choose it over the more well
known distributions ? I might want to check it
out, but I do want to know whats in it for me
first.
This is meant to be sarcastic. I know it's not always this bad, but I love playing the Devil's (Microsoft's) Advocate.
/etc/conf.modules. Make sure that none of the following aliases is commented:
"I bet with Slack 10, I can add my friend's windows printer! Oh... It's okay. I bet my wireless card will work now! Well, shit... my laptop isn't even supported. And I can't even get the sound to work. Oh, alright. Read the manual, huh?"
The next step is to configure
# alias char-major-14 off
# alias sound on
# alias midi off
Then insert (if not already there) the following lines:
alias char-major-14 ad1848
options ad1848 io=0x530 irq=10 dma=1 dma2=0
post-install ad1848 modprobe "-k" opl3; modprobe "-k" v_midi; modprobe "-k" softoss2
options opl3 io=0x388
Furthermore, it might be necessary to configure your pcmcia (/etc/pcmcia/config.opts), because there might be an IRQ conflict. Exclude at least the IRQs 7 and 10. Now you should be ready to boot your new kernel. Good luck!
"Umm, fuck Linux."
Just what Linux needs... Yet Another Distro
Notice his use of a "Yet Another..." acroynm template? Kinda suggests that the guy's familiar with the culture, doesn't it? Also, considering it's release 10, we all realize that it's hardly something new.
Please, keep these garage basement projects out of the news... we already have enough distros. Thanks.
Linux' reputation for being a "garage basement project" was shed years ago. Slackware is one of the oldest distros around; this is generally understood knowledge. Notice he refers to "we", as in "the Linux community, of which, I'm a member?".
God, some of you Johnny-come-lately kids are dense...
Wow I been waiting quite some time for Slackware 10 to be released... Been with it since kernel 2.2.* Its the only distro where I reboot only to upgrade. There went my ~9 month uptime
Sometimes the majority just means all the morons are on the same side.
So why does it have the most posts at LinuxQuestions? Why was it voted best distro in last years LinuxQuestions awards? Why, after 10 years, has Slack survived when countless other distros have failed? Why is Slackware looked to for being secure, stable, and a great way to learn Linux? Sounds like a lot for a distro that is "no longer wanted". I don't know what Linux community you're part of, but most of us respect and enjoy Slackware.
...their distribution is no longer needed or wanted by the linux community...
...debian is perfectly suited for those who want the absolutly most "stable" release...
Who made you spokesperson for the linux community?
When you say absolutely most "stable", you meant to say least innovative right?
/^([Ss]ame [Bb]at (time, |channel.)){2}$/
But that's an external add-on, it isn't integrated, is it?
You do know that RedHat (and virtually everything else) was based on that "garage basement project", right?
There are reasons why Slackware is so legendary, and has always been a profitable project for the one-man operation.
Slackware is a nice distribution, its easy to understand its package system for example. But it has bad binaries/package support.
You can live happily with it if all packages you need are in the distro, which include all packages needed for servers and small offices machines, but it can be a nightmare if youre a home user.
Slackware is a "one man" distribution, the reason for that is its low number of official packages.
And if you need some other software outside of that its better you compile all yourself or youll be in a jungle of amateur made packages.
People with different software and hardware configurations generating packages and spreading it around.
That lead to missing libraries messages (even when you have them), missing new versions of libraries that are on the official distro (but not yet updated), complaints about not finding your remote control (even when you dont have one), binaries compiled with strange options (some missing other unuseful) and so on.
A slackware zealot may say "compile your own", but sometimes you cant, because of time restrictions, or just dont want to waste a lot of time compiling a "one task application" and its dependencies.
And in that situations youre SOL in the jungle, and is not a good experience at all.
Time was, this was real. I had The Linux Bible, which had an old Slackware based on kernel 1.2.13. I took notes for 3 hours before I ever did a thing with the CD. One week later, I was online. No GUI yet, so Lynx was my friend. Another week to get XFree86 up and running (I learned more about video timing than I ever wanted). Two more days, and I had Netscape loaded and running. That's when I knew I had taken the first steps of that fateful journey...
Maybe because they couldnt base on something that didnt exist yet (slackware 10) but on the now old slackware 9.1
Hmm, interesting. One gotcha that you need to keep your eye open for is the ending "/". For example, if you say:it will rename dir1 to dir2, overwriting the contents of dir2 if files of the same name already exist. But if you say:it will move dir1 into dir2, as a subdirectory.
Don't know if that was the case, but thought I'd mention it.
Cheers!
Yet Another Distro? At version 10? Think before you post man. Of course many of us remember when Slack jumped from like version 4 to version 7 in one release. I think it was an effort to deal with people who thought that Redhat versions = official Linux version and Slack wasn't keeping up :)
And I don't just mean n00bs. For example, admins who oversee 100's of servers and workstations...
I'm sure it's satisfying to manually update your personal machine at home, but in a fast-paced production environment, that just won't fly.
Provided you are a member of the BDSM community.
hey Goofy, I don't know how long you've been using linux, but you are way off on the whole another distro bit. Slackware is one first distros created, geez, do your homework. Garage basement project? are you 12 or something?
I've been using Gentoo for a year now, and I've never had the problem you described...Gentoo's portage always figures out exactly which packages need updating and takes care of it. It's even possible to update a library, such as some of the cryptography ones, and then rebuild everything that statically linked against it.
But there is another kind of evil that we must fear most... and that is the indifference of good men.
Slackware is what taught me about open-source and free software. I've been trying to teach others about it ever since. Somehow the concept of sharing has gotten so lost in the Christian community that it's taken a atheist to remind us what it is.
Engineering and the Ultimate
I've using a 9600XT with X.Org 6.7.0 and the ATI binary driver 3.7.6 (3.9.0 was making mplayer crash or at least refuse to do usual operations). I'd say it works well. If only ATI could beef up there Alternative OS drivers it could be alot better.
--tarballedtux
This is a bit OT, but I've been staying current with Slackware until a few days ago: I bought a flat panel LCD monitor to use with my Matrox G550. Unfortunately, Slack, or, rather, Xorg's X11, can't drive the DVI output. Analog works, but the image is decidedly worse.
Anyone know if DVI and X11 can be happy together?
-- Slashdot: When Public Access TV Says "No"
That's why I don't even deploy other people's software. I hand code everything from scratch myself. 'gives me more control and a better idea of what's going on. In fact, I don't even use calculators, levers, or wheels. These "tools" are merely hallmark of the lazy/incompetent/overworked.
After trying many different distributions I have settled on Slackware. The BSD-style configuration is, I find, straightforward and powerful (even though I wasn't a BSD user before Linux). Slackware does not impose specific configuration styles, layouts, interfaces or layers on you and I enjoy the resulting flexibility and freedom. I like the "EZ"
Security notices are rapid, accurate, and to the point thanks to Pat himself. Things in the Slackware installation work properly, without embarassing-looking glitches. It is intelligently put together, and tested to perfection.
Overall the distro is the lean and the easiest to tweak in the least amount of time. I personally found it the easiest to install of all Linux distros. Slackware is a winner.
"Of course, the non-cheapskates among us should go buy the CD-set to support the project."
Actually, that's why it's called "Free Software".
OK, that's a troll. Go ahead and send them a few dollars if you enjoy using their distribution. You only help yourself when you do this.
"If you are a dreamer, a wisher, a liar, A hope-er, a pray-er, a magic bean buyer
Yep, cause nobody knows how to share execpt Christians. All other people are shelfish assholes.
The problem with Debian, is that they wait for to damn long to add updated packages to their distro... Slack incorporates packages at a much faster rate...
Not only that, but Debians main advantage, apt-get, now has a Slackware equivalent.. swaret
GO SLACK!
Seriously, man.... it's a shame you have to go AC as often as you do because so many mods have undergone humor bypass surgery.
It is pronounced "BOB"
It prefers to go by "ROBERT"
From the release announcement...
GNOME 2.6.1 (including a collection of pre-
compiled GNOME applications)
Are they saying they have made some of the GNOME
apps available as statically linked executables
so that I don't have install all the GTK/GNOME
libs? If so, all I can say is ye-ha!! Maybe it's
just me but I have a heck of a time finding
people and projects in the GNOME/KDE communities
that realase dynamic AND static verions of their
programs. I don't use either KDE or GNOME but
I occassionaly have use for a "GNOME" app or a
"KDE" app but I don't want to have to install
a "desktop" environment just to use the app. I
hope people in the GNOME and KDE communities
start releasing static versions of their
executables. It's would be very useful to some
of us.
Hey, my first linux distro back in around '98 was Slack, downloaded and copied to a whole box of floppy diskettes over a 28.8 modem! The installer was the same one as recent distros (haven't seen 10 yet) and was a pain to run, and of course you had to feed it all those diskettes, but I got it working on an old AMD boxen I'd built from spare parts.
I ran across the diskettes recently while cleaning up the garage, but the irony is that none of my current systems seem to have floppy drives any more.
Sadly, I think I tossed the diskettes out.
And in the end, have our systems really improved that much over the years? You would think so. But I look back and I'm not so sure. Even back then, there was so much to work with.
=^..^= all your rodent are belong to us
Get yourself Swaret and you're set.
You might try running "X -scanpci" to see if the video card implements the DVI output as a separate virtual adapter. If so, you will see multiple video adapters, differentiated by their BusID field. If that's the case, you probably just need to try those other values in BusID in your XF86Config until one drives the monitor.
I'd tried Debian, Mandrake, and a few minor distro's. I don't know why everyone says that slack is hard to configure. Atleast in the newer versions , it isn't. I installed slack 9.1 I think it was. It went without a hitch, not at all confusing compared to debian, although a graphical install would have been nice for anyone new. It finished the install and then restarted. I typed startx. On most computers, it would have been fine. I looked in the file and it was configured, except for my integrated graphics, which I no longer used (put in a GeForce but never disabled integrated). I changed that one line in the file to NV, and X worked. Network worked, CDRoms worked, etc. I don't get why people say its hard to install. Although nongraphical, the install is still menu driven and straight forwards. The configuration is minimal, and its fast and rock solid. I never looked back after that. Swaret works great, and for things not in a slack package, they will usually compile perfectly. GO SLACK!
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I was using Slackware from its inception in 1993 (ahhh... I remember downloading a large set of floppy images over night at work from my Ultrix machine, storing the "large" files on my DEC/VMS diskspace).
After a long digression over FreeBSD, RedHat, I came back to Slackware last year...
I already ordered the CD, not that I couldn't download the iso's but this a great distribution and if I can help to keep it going I'll do so.
Nothing gets my 6 month old emachines m6805 to work. Gentoo can get everything but the wireless card, which doesn't work on any distro. But who really ever wanted to waste 6 hours of their life installing it?
Linux is great for server stuff, but still sucks for the average user. All 200 million of them.
He knows what he's saying...
When is Slackware going to "officially" support
and FTP install option? I know there are a
couple of unofficial hacks to do it but it
would be nice to see it cleanly integrated with
the rest of the official install options.
... you know, like OS X <ducking>
Is there an AMD64 architecture ISO of Slackware 10.0 available?
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Nah, the oldest! (ducks)
Man watching 6 MSCE's around a sun box, looks alot like the opening scene's of 2001:space odyssey...
and make the grandparent explain himself!!!!!one
Truly an American icon.
Not another spaceship!
Simple, stable, and old school...
Slackware user since 3.4
Keep up the great work Patrick!
?!?!? In Windows, it just works...
Why does it take a nuclear scientist just to get DVI output on Linux?!?!?
Does noone see a problem with this?
My last techie girlfriend owned a Wallstreet model Powerbook *shudder*
I know several people that still use their Wallstreet PowerBook G3s, mostly writers. Those machines came in 9 flavors: 233 MHz, 266 MHz, 300 MHz; 12", 13", 14" LCD. Ability to use two batteries. Thicker and heavier duty than the Lombard and Pismo PowerBook G3s. Awesome keyboard. Dedicated MPEG-2 DVD decoder available on a CardBus card.
It's a time machine, though, I think Wallstreet/Mainstreet came out in 1998. Most of the folks that I know who still use theirs have stuck with Mac OS 8.6, 9.1, or 9.2.2. They generally use MS Office 1998 or 2001 (or Nisus Writer). For that, it works great.
OS X 10.3 is awesome, but you really need a Pismo PowerBook G3 to get good performance.... 400 MHz G3 and Rage128 graphics (plus USB and Firewire) makes for a good OS X experience. Actually, I don't think 10.3 will install on a Wallstreet anymore, at least not without using Xpostfacto to help start the install. Which is sad and odd, considering that 10.3 runs much faster than 10.1 or 10.2.... even (or especially) when using an oldschool CRT iMac.
Let swaret handle all your downloading and updating of your slackware packages - it even has dependency checking (but no forced dependency installs => no dependency hell). I've kept my initial 9.1 install updated to -current for the past six months and it's worked flawlessly, and now I've just upgraded to 10.0 using swaret. Check it out!
If anyone is interested in taking this project, I would love to help. I don't have the webspace, but I'm willing to do the porting, and get Slack 10 into PPC form. If you're interested email me: jlongs2@SLACKuic.edu minus distro.
I mod down pyramid schemes in sigs.
Is it safe to burn the ISO while people are still pulling them from me?
I'm a linux newbie. I just had my third go (in 4 years) at entering the linux experience.
Redhat config was a pain in my ass.
Fedora 1 installed no prob but fedora 2 locked every time. Did alot of research. Never found out why.
Then my friend gives me a copy of slackware.
EZ install and EZ config. Everything is just working. It's bizarre.
I do have the original book someplace. All I can say is I've tried Redhat a few times but always found myself coming back to what just plain works! Slackers forever!
This is something that wasn't answered in the release of 10.0 Community Edition, and I think it's kind of major. Simply put, installing the Community Edition changes things in one's MBR when it tries to install a bootloader in the MBR of /hda (no confirm dialog at all, it just does it). You can make changes to the bootloader options AFTER it changes the MBR, but these changes cause Windows XP to blackscreen, and are a major pain in the ass to fix, if at all. Using sfdisk doesn't work. Using DISKPART doesn't work. Using anything other than a complete format of the NTFS partition will not work. Be sure to back up your data. I really hope the installer fixed this, but you never know.
This link at LinuxQuestions addresses this problem in more detail.
I lucked out. The only floppies I had to deal with were the boot and root. Getting the images written to the floppies was half the battle for a base install! (Remember, this was in the days of Windows 95.)
Hello, I know there is a Win32 version of rsync, but have forgotten what I need to do. So I need to rip the cds to isos, then what? Anyone care to elaborate and/or help?
Just look at the version numbers and you see that it has the latest official release of almost anything, and usually a newer version than other current distributions.
There used to be a time, some years ago, that Slackware was stable but conservative w.r.t. package versions. Nowadays, it is stable and still has the latest and greatest.
file: slackware-10.0-iso /usr/download/slackware-10.0-iso
size: 682,819,837 (651.2 MB)
dest:
status: finishing in 2:48:57 (2.4%)
speed: 85.4 KB/s down - 230.5 KB/s up
totals: 15.5 MB down - 34.0 MB up
And Linux, actually, in general.
I'm curious to know what benefits Slackware offers vs Mandrake, Fedora, etc. I haven't heard much of Slackware since its early days.
Will this clueless n00b be able to pick it up and use it, or would I be better off with Fedora or (insert other distro here)?
The 1980s called, they want their package management system back. ;)
Martin Brooks / Slayer99 #linux / UIN 2178117
By that I'd pay for:
- The packaging (materials and handling)
- The delivery
- Possibly the store which almost certainly will NOT give any support.
I don't want to cut out the middle man for the sake of it but in small distros (currently all linux distros can be considered small compared to windows) the delivery overhead is out of proportion. Most people involved in the deal will make much more money out of the deal than Slackware themselves.I also think the resources in this process are almost completely wasted.
I recall wanting to buy a copy of Tux Racer. The retail price here in Europe was way above what I wanted to pay for it. The retail price in USA was better but shipping amounted to US$20. So emailed the Tux Racer guys telling them I don't need the box and the manual. I also told them that I'd be happy to pay them full price if I could download the game. That was useless because it didn't change anything at all. They probably thought I was crazy.
When possible I try paying the people/bodies that make/package/service my software directly. And I do!!
I hadn't the slightest objection to his spending his time planning massacres for the bourgeoisie... (P.G. Wodehouse)
Used to be a big slack fan, but that X6.7.0 was just a big problem for me. Using Estonian keyboard and right alt just does not work. In XFree86 the line options "RightAlt" "modeShift" made a trick, but not in X.org. This leaves me without '@' and '|' characters. After all there are other minor issues with slackware since version 9 already. Sad, but I cannot use the system that does not cooperate with me.
a good name for ;)
ha ha ha gentoy is teh greatast cos it compilled from teh source and is teh 0.0001% faster on my athalong microprocessor 3ghz nforce 3!!11!!!1!!one
My favorite Linux distribution through the last 10 years gets a new major update... This beats X-Mas :)
I started out on Linux with SuSE. Nice beginner's system, easily set up, a lot of stuff works without configuring too much. But it's exactly that which began to bother me - after each installation I would rewrite the kinda messy /etc/fstab, and was already pissed that it had been entwined with links on the KDE Desktop.
Well, this tendency, I think has, gotten worse. SuSE is all Windows-style, lots of colors and it's hard to configure the real stuff. Even updating a library can result in a disaster, for example when sources and precompiled RPMs get in each others way (a friend tried to update his SuSE 9.1-glib 1.2 to 2.4 and screwed his system).
So, I'd like to try some other system, and after a lot of surfing (no trying tho, I haven't been at home for a year and am just about to get back) I decided to give Slackware a try.
I am confident, but sometimes I shudder when I think of getting my TV Card, scanner or CF-reader up running manually. Anyone got experiences, tips, anything?
After a while, when I felt more confident, I switched to Debian, which I'm now extremely happy with. But it isn't (IMHO) suitable for the new Linux user. I had to figure out how to set a lot of things up manually, but now I know how to change those things myself.
Meh ! Mandrake has been 10.0 for how long ?
What a bunch of nonsense. Tell me why Slack isn't as good as RH, SuSE, or Mandrake for a beginner? Any serious reason or are you just repeating some prejudice you heard somewhere else? Have you even tried Slack?
It's not user-friendly? How so? Because the installer runs in text mode? Please.
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Friends don't let friends enable ecmascript.
Time and time again. I see posts indicating that /. regulars don't get laid. I think of myself as an average /.er. I do pretty well in that department. I've been in the game for almost 12 years now and in all that time my longest dry spell was 5 months and 7 days.
Since I was 19 my longest dry spell was less than 3 months.
Is this supposed to be self-deprecating humor, like when jewish people tell lawyer jokes or when black people make jokes about being ghetto?
Seriously. I just don't get it.
LK
"Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
Am i going to have any headaches installing it via lan? I want to experiment with it on my old thunderbird/gf2mx400 system that i don't use and i can't be bothered to buy an optical drive for it.
I am forced to conclude you are the master of the obvious. May others take heed of your wisdom.
Does anyone know how hard it is to upgrade to the 2.6 kernel if you go for the standard 2.4 install with this dist? Do the seperate installs literally just install different kernels or does it install different versions of libraries too which would need to updated on a manual upgrade?
Im Slackware-current user. Kernel 2.6.6 didnt cope with my VIAs ide controller at all: Unable to boot, neither ACPI disabled. Kernel 2.6.7 has bt848 module broken, video_buf module exactly. ALSA driver modules behaves extrange.
Kernel 2.4.26 works fine.
Looking after 2.6.8.
Slackware-current. Using NVidia GForce4 MX440 (NV17) with Nvidias last linux driver (build five thousand and something) Xorg works exactly as XF86. /etc/X11/XF84config-4. Soft-link to /etc/X11/xorg.conf and youre done.
Only quiks came from applications that dont find
Actually, Yggdrasil (Igg Drah Sill)
Any word on Slackware 10's support for LVM2 under kernel 2.6.x? It wasn't working properly in prior versions.
These days I point gnubies at knoppix. I find it friendlier then mandrake and has all the advantages of debian only easier.
From the announcement:
"Each Slackware package follows the setup and installation instructions from its author(s) as closely as possible, offering you the most stable and easily expandable setup."
If you're a crusty old Unix bod, it's the only way to go. Install the core and build the rest on top yourself. Just the way you want it. No crap. No package dependencies. No depending on the distribution vendor. You know what you're doing. Slack just lets you do it. It also seems to be the lowest profile, least "political" of the established distributions, which I like.
My old laptop disk gave up the ghost a little while ago. It had the latest and greatest everything installed, but I think the core of it had come from a Slackware 3.2 CD I got with a book back in the day. Every single part of it had been replaced, but deep down, it was still Slack 3.2. In a way. I downloaded ISOs for later versions, but there was no point upgrading. My new laptop disk has OpenBSD on it. I might just jump back to Slackware, for old time's sake.
I can certainly confirm that X.org, Matrox G550 and DVI output can be achieved. Currently running a dual LCD set-up under Fedora Core 2 with said card.
What you need to do is grab a beta driver from Matrox's site. Although it says it is for XFree86 4.1, 4.2 & 4.3 it works under X.org 6.7. Be aware that there is a bug in the driver that causes X to hang for 30 seconds or so when it first starts up.
Matrox also have a forum to discuss all things Linux and their graphics cards.
I've got a fever and the only prescription is more COBOL.
Maybe they should rename it...Slack OS X!
(mods: this was intended to be funny, not a troll or flamebait)
Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, START
I hate wasting CDs on ISO installs, (the images are usually over the 650MB limit for CD-RW). Does slack have some kind of boot floppy/minimal ISO ftp install? If so, where?
# cat
Damn, my RAM is full of llamas.
"You'll just look like a fucking moron"
-I'm not the one cursing and complaining.
"I've course I've used slackware"
-The wonderful. At least you're making comments based on experience and not naive opinions.
"No distros are derived from slack"
-CollegeLinux, VectorLinux, Amigo, etc.
"Anyone with half a brain and a little unix experience can see the distro is shit"
-Don't know how to reply to that. I have half a brain (a little more I think) and some Unix experience, yet I like Slack.
"bizarro wannabe bsd style inits that all the other non-shit modern distros do not use"
-See distos listed above. This has more to do with philosophy of init than anything. And your comment will only anger the BSD folks.
"Oh you don't like slack? Well you obviously aren't leet enough to handle it!"
-I never said that. I just said it made you learn Linux, another point you disagree with.
"If you learn redhat or debian you would be much better able to switch distros since more distros are based on and closely related to those"
-You would know how to manage RedHat and Debian based distros. I just speak from experience about learning Slackware equals learning Linux.
I guess that's enough. I'm done with you and this arguement.
Sign of "Win32:Gaobot-331 [Wrm]" has been found in slackware-10.0-install-d2.iso
Idiot.
Post with your real name so I can bitch slap you.
10.0: Just in time for the coming of 7X day. DON'T PINK OUT!
OK, no, really, good to see that Slackware is still going strong. My first distribution...everybody sing! Memmories...do do de do...
Whenever you read this sig someone's refrigerator light turns on.
I've heard good things about Knoppix but I haven't had a chance to try it out yet.
have been waiting for this for months :) tho ive always used the latest current, it worked fine.. :)
Cupertino will never stand for "Slack OS X". :-)
Hey What gives! The torrent trackers are offline...does anybody know what the problem is?
How would slackware equal "learning linux" since it doesn't use Linux style inits or a common linux package manager system like rpm or deb?
More like you would be learning slack.
How can you say if you learn Redhat that you have not "learned linux"?
WTF does "learned linux" mean exactly anyways?
Face it slack is crap. It has no advantages whatsoever other than a warm fuzzy "i'm hardcore cuz i use slack" feeling it gives newby chumps.
before slackware, I'd tried to install Caldera (before I knew SCO = evil, and it came with a magazine). I didn't have enough RAM for a graphic install, and it didn't have text-based. Slackware works fine.
This sounds like a troll, but you sir, are a moron. .deb, apt-get and all those other fancy things that you all seem to hold so dear, in some kind of esteem not regarded to other programs. It's a philosophy thing. Some people are simply users, others know what the hell is REALLY going on. You sir, are a user.
It's because slackware CAN USE rpm (it actually comes with rpm in the install... didn't know that, did ya?). It's because slackware knowledge lets you know what's going on behind the scenes on all other distro's. It gives you the experience to be able to figure things out. I've walked in and adminned Redhat boxes from never working on anything other than slackware, and it was a piece of cake. Not that RPM is anything but another executable, same with
My blog. Good stuff (when I remember to update it). Read it.
"problem connecting to tracker - operation timed out"
Goodness, was that a sneeze?
Not to be confused with Deja Thoris.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, it doesn't go away." - Philip K. Dick
Well, some of want something that's stable (bye, Fedora/Mandrake) AND made in this century (bye, Debian).
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
Downloaded the 2 CD Slackware 10.0, officially. Been using Redhat 7.2/8/9, FC 1/2 till now, since 3 years. I didn't like Slack at all. Wait, it's not a flamebait and I'm not "just-another-rh-lover". I'll tell you why I didn't like Slackware. First of all, it's a great distro. A complete installation of 3 GB is great compared to FC2's 6.9 GB. All those window managers, greeeeat!!! But, when I log in, my favourite "Sans" font was missing :-( So are "Serif" and "Sans-Serif". I use "konsole" along with my Gnome. With FC2, there were some 20 fonts to chose from for konsole fonts. Slack gives just 3? Guys, don't blast me...let me know how to make my Slack work. I really like it and it's time I decided to move from Fedora.
I've played with Mandrake a bit, and it seems pretty decent. I'll have to check out knoppix as well.
Thanks to you both for your suggestions!
I don't want to dick with config files or recompile the nightly build. I just want a computer I can work on at home that doesn't have a 12" screen (like my iBook) and Mandrake gave that to me, almost straight out of the gates (a little configuring of my wireless card). *shrug*
-truth
I had a steady B+ in my AI class until I failed the Turing test...
So to enforce this, Bittorrent has a general tit-for-tat policy that your download rate is limited to your upload rate unless you're getting lucky, and a bunch of tuning to try to optimize things so that people with high upload rates get extra lucky on excess downloading bandwidth a lot (so the system can keep their uploads full) and in general.
Your bandwidth looks like your upload and download rates are pretty balanced, at about 200 kbits/second. Depending on your DSL circuit, that's not too bad - slower ADSL is limited to ~128kbps upstream, faster US ADSL is often 384kbps upstream, and you're in about the middle. Cable modems in the US are usually limited to 128kbps or 256kbps upstream. You can often do better than this downstream - in the last hour, my upload rate has usually been 10-14 kB/sec (mostly filling my ADSL 128kbps upstream, though I use a client that lets my throttle it to about 90% of maximum capacity so my other applications don't starve), and my download rate has sometimes been 6-10 kB/s,
but is currently cranking at 72 kB/sec, because there are some fast seeds or fast peers available right now that don't have anybody else to feed (with 15 seeds and 6 peers.)
What I often see is that downloading popular distributions goes slowly for a while after release, but often I get huge bursts of download speed overnight, because people's downloads finish after they've gone to bed and get left on for uploading, while other people aren't starting many new clients to use up the available speed.
Bill Stewart
New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
I was running BitTorrent on Disc 2 also, and got about 85% downloaded when the tracker dropped me, and I haven't been able to reconnect. Anybody have a way to check if the tracker's died and kickstart it?
Bill Stewart
New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
Actually, I was getting ~ 20k/sec. Not very fast at all. What I figured out was that my DSL doesn't like when I'm uploading at maximum. I don't know the technical reasons, but there you have it. Since at max I can upload at about 20k/sec, I used the --max_upload_rate switch and capped my uploads to 15K. Doing so, I was able to increase my download rate from 20k/sec to 160k/sec, and still share the files almost as efficiently as before.
- "That's just the kind of fuzzy-headed liberal thinking that leads to being eaten."
Congratulations, you've reinvented the wheel. :)
All Glory To The Hypnotoad!
But yeah, if you're trying to cram data into the DSL pipe faster than it has room for, it's going to queue a little bit of the excess and drop the rest, and you can get into trouble with retransmissions, as well as trashing your other data. Another problem is that any protocol that depends on ACKs, including TCP, is really much happier if the ACKs don't get delayed or lost, and keeping your Bittorrent transmission rate lower than your upstream speed makes a huge difference in that.
Bill Stewart
New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks