Not if it's cooked *juuuust* right. but 5 seconds on the heat can make the difference between undercooked, just right, and overcooked with kangaroo. Having cooked it quite a few times it's just too damn annoying to bother again.
I saw a doco once that argued that the best evolutionary tactics ever accomplished were to make other life more appealing to humans. For example, we like grass under our feet. As such, grass is destined to be protected and cultured by us forever. Same with (until now) cows. How would cows survive the wilderness if we turned them loose in order to turn pastures into vat farms? They've been domesticated and bred for eat-ability traits for so long that they depend on us; they would probably be wiped out within a year as rogue lions and very large ants feast on their delicious, succulent flesh. Suddenly the vat-meat argument does indeed seem pretty selfish and inconsiderate.
If you've ever had to use a Vodafone system or service of any kind, you'll know that the concept of forethought just doesn't exist there. The only surprise here is that something as serious as this didn't happen sooner. Although maybe it did but they managed to keep it quiet..
+1 for the n900. Sure I might get 'the next best thing' when it comes out to become my new primary device - probably an android something-or-rather - but the n900 is surely the first phone I'll continue to hold on to until the day it dies. It's just so useful for the sysadmin stuff and there's no messing about with it's SDK env either. I've managed to put all my favorite apps on there, both commandline and X+gtk/Qt/tk/whatever, with just a simple recompile and no screwing about. I don't think even android is that convenient *yet*
I just can't understand why they don't embrace the internet instead of constantly trying to fight it, when everyone else in the world is embracing it too. Apple and others have already proven it's a feasible (and in some cases preferred!) distribution medium... The more media we have pushed through the internet the faster our bandwidth capacities grow and the better the quality of service (choose what you want when you want it instead of being forced to a programming schedule designed by someone who never asked you want you wanted). The faster this happens, the more money they make!
It's almost like they are intentionally spiting us... Did we offend them? Was it the invention of the cassette and VHS recorders? Are they holding a grudge?
This is rubbish otherwise Apple's iTunes store wouldn't be such a success and every big brand software house in the world wouldn't be trying to set up their own app/media stores online right now.
The problem is mpaa and riaa just can't/see/ how the internet is a useful tool and are doomed to fight it forever instead of embracing it and opening new revenue streams
Others stated the user experience I experienced in my real life experiences were due to compromising user experience in exchange for standards compliance. I was saying this is a silly policy.
YOU stated my experiences weren't real, which I'm afraid is a fanboism ad hominem argument.
To quote: "Except what he claims is just plain wrong and has nothing to do with real life experiences."
Dislike them all you want but my experiences are in fact real. I know this as they are my experiences. Right or wrong there they are. Disliking that, is fanboism. Deal with it.
For some reason I was thinking 2007.. my dependency on coffee is frightening. Dunno why that deserves getting modded down though... I guess badmouthing coffee is worthy of karma loss. (Like asking a legitimate question in the Opera thread was too)
So basically..
What you mean to say is...
After all this time........
'Yes, it can'.
Thank you for being the first person to actually answer this question instead of digressing into some fanboy zealot rant.
I appreciate it. And now I might actually give Opera 11 a fair go. Thanks.
And this little nugget of information somehow negates my real life experiences from being factual?
I think, actually, you just demonstrated a mechanism by which my experiences are in fact true.
Please guys, stop with the fanboyism. Ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away. And ok, so maybe the problem is the websites and not the browser, but this doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist so stop trying to claim my real life experiences never happened. This is just an ignorant stance to take.
The raid was on April 7 2009.. The FBI just now publicly defended it on Tuesday just gone.
And in another 2 years they will begin analyzing the equipment, and 4 years after that they may start returning it, provided anyone can remember to claim it.
But that's just it, this is from experience and not merely an unfounded opinion.
What surprises me though is how all the Opera users take such experiences as personal attacks...
Build a bridge, move on
IE and Safari are not open source (although Safari is based from an open source framework..)
Still, more often than not, Opera is the one that's doing things differently. And this really says something because IE, Safari, FF, and Chrome can't agree on anything. Why even Safari and Chrome, both being based on Webkit, even handle certain event types differently and other little quirks.
I've seen Opera outright *break* on non-complex sites that aren't doing anything too special, where *all* other browser *even including* links2-svga are fine.
I'm sorry to all the zealots out there, Opera is nice, but it/is/ tripping up on some really common use cases I'm afraid.
And for the record I use both opera and opera mini regularly for site compat testing. And I can say 100% without hyperbole, opera is the black sheep in the family when it comes to standards support. It's good, just not the same as the others, and gives different renderings where the others are uniform. Which means in the end, it's just painful to bother supporting it.
Who cares what they/look/ like. The real question is 'Can Opera finally render correctly the 75% of websites in the wild it couldn't before' that FF chrome and even IE have been able to do since the start?
People who get worked up because someone used all-caps are idiots. It's just fonts and typing.. so what?
It's not the same as someone yelling in your ears, and if your poor eyes are hurt by it then maybe you should avoid reading altogether.
To try to police such a thing, is several orders of magnitude more idiotic. GG Google.
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Not if it's cooked *juuuust* right. but 5 seconds on the heat can make the difference between undercooked, just right, and overcooked with kangaroo. Having cooked it quite a few times it's just too damn annoying to bother again.
I saw a doco once that argued that the best evolutionary tactics ever accomplished were to make other life more appealing to humans. For example, we like grass under our feet. As such, grass is destined to be protected and cultured by us forever. Same with (until now) cows. How would cows survive the wilderness if we turned them loose in order to turn pastures into vat farms? They've been domesticated and bred for eat-ability traits for so long that they depend on us; they would probably be wiped out within a year as rogue lions and very large ants feast on their delicious, succulent flesh. Suddenly the vat-meat argument does indeed seem pretty selfish and inconsiderate.
If you've ever had to use a Vodafone system or service of any kind, you'll know that the concept of forethought just doesn't exist there. The only surprise here is that something as serious as this didn't happen sooner. Although maybe it did but they managed to keep it quiet..
+1 for the n900. Sure I might get 'the next best thing' when it comes out to become my new primary device - probably an android something-or-rather - but the n900 is surely the first phone I'll continue to hold on to until the day it dies. It's just so useful for the sysadmin stuff and there's no messing about with it's SDK env either. I've managed to put all my favorite apps on there, both commandline and X+gtk/Qt/tk/whatever, with just a simple recompile and no screwing about. I don't think even android is that convenient *yet*
Life feeds on life, always has always will. That's my belief. But I still had to laugh at this. Good call
Are you implying you have? :)
I just can't understand why they don't embrace the internet instead of constantly trying to fight it, when everyone else in the world is embracing it too. Apple and others have already proven it's a feasible (and in some cases preferred!) distribution medium... The more media we have pushed through the internet the faster our bandwidth capacities grow and the better the quality of service (choose what you want when you want it instead of being forced to a programming schedule designed by someone who never asked you want you wanted). The faster this happens, the more money they make! It's almost like they are intentionally spiting us... Did we offend them? Was it the invention of the cassette and VHS recorders? Are they holding a grudge?
This is rubbish otherwise Apple's iTunes store wouldn't be such a success and every big brand software house in the world wouldn't be trying to set up their own app/media stores online right now. The problem is mpaa and riaa just can't /see/ how the internet is a useful tool and are doomed to fight it forever instead of embracing it and opening new revenue streams
So, is Motorola suing because the xbox uses upnp/dlna, wmv-vp9, and RDP for the media extender control channel? I don't get it...
Others stated the user experience I experienced in my real life experiences were due to compromising user experience in exchange for standards compliance. I was saying this is a silly policy. YOU stated my experiences weren't real, which I'm afraid is a fanboism ad hominem argument. To quote: "Except what he claims is just plain wrong and has nothing to do with real life experiences." Dislike them all you want but my experiences are in fact real. I know this as they are my experiences. Right or wrong there they are. Disliking that, is fanboism. Deal with it.
For some reason I was thinking 2007.. my dependency on coffee is frightening. Dunno why that deserves getting modded down though... I guess badmouthing coffee is worthy of karma loss. (Like asking a legitimate question in the Opera thread was too)
12 years since office 97? It's too early to do the math as the coffee hasn't kicked in yet, but I'm pretty sure that doesn't add up somehow
So basically.. What you mean to say is... After all this time........ 'Yes, it can'. Thank you for being the first person to actually answer this question instead of digressing into some fanboy zealot rant. I appreciate it. And now I might actually give Opera 11 a fair go. Thanks.
And this little nugget of information somehow negates my real life experiences from being factual? I think, actually, you just demonstrated a mechanism by which my experiences are in fact true. Please guys, stop with the fanboyism. Ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away. And ok, so maybe the problem is the websites and not the browser, but this doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist so stop trying to claim my real life experiences never happened. This is just an ignorant stance to take.
The raid was on April 7 2009.. The FBI just now publicly defended it on Tuesday just gone. And in another 2 years they will begin analyzing the equipment, and 4 years after that they may start returning it, provided anyone can remember to claim it.
Yes, it takes a lot of competence to type in a url and hit enter. Now who's trolling?
But that's just it, this is from experience and not merely an unfounded opinion. What surprises me though is how all the Opera users take such experiences as personal attacks... Build a bridge, move on
Whatever. It's only a browser, no need to take personal offense at someone else's real life experiences with it.
Then they're doing it wrong, plain and simple.
IE and Safari are not open source (although Safari is based from an open source framework..) Still, more often than not, Opera is the one that's doing things differently. And this really says something because IE, Safari, FF, and Chrome can't agree on anything. Why even Safari and Chrome, both being based on Webkit, even handle certain event types differently and other little quirks. I've seen Opera outright *break* on non-complex sites that aren't doing anything too special, where *all* other browser *even including* links2-svga are fine. I'm sorry to all the zealots out there, Opera is nice, but it /is/ tripping up on some really common use cases I'm afraid.
And for the record I use both opera and opera mini regularly for site compat testing. And I can say 100% without hyperbole, opera is the black sheep in the family when it comes to standards support. It's good, just not the same as the others, and gives different renderings where the others are uniform. Which means in the end, it's just painful to bother supporting it.
So basically you're saying opera works fine if you don't use it on the more common sites like gmail. Gotchya.
Who cares what they /look/ like. The real question is 'Can Opera finally render correctly the 75% of websites in the wild it couldn't before' that FF chrome and even IE have been able to do since the start?
People who get worked up because someone used all-caps are idiots. It's just fonts and typing.. so what? It's not the same as someone yelling in your ears, and if your poor eyes are hurt by it then maybe you should avoid reading altogether. To try to police such a thing, is several orders of magnitude more idiotic. GG Google.
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