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LinuxTag Opens (Hackers are Homeless)
LinuxTag started today. Many of the usual exhibitors can be seen, and the floor is quite busy. Especially noteworth is the crowded KDE booth where they are excited about the 2.2 Betas.
kazekiri sent us a report from Slashdot/Japan which you'll need to translate to read, but apparently one of the hotels was closed for hygiene reasons, and many of the developers are without a place to sleep. So now they are
staying in a gymnasium! Fortunately for me, my hotel is open and I got a good nights sleep (after 36 hours without any) and am preparing for my keynote Saturday afternoon, and a Q&A session Sunday afternoon. If you're in Stuttgart, check it out, just don't try any of that Deutsch on me, I barely passed that class.
Since when did Taco speak English, never mind Deutsch? ;)
I thought after 15 years of geek evolution that we'd not let ourselves be put in a gym. Sad, so sad really. I guess we can blame the Alpha-Betas for arranging this hotel incedent! We have to get back at them by winning the carnival.
You are talking about LinuxTag as a meeting point for developpers of Libre Software, but what about the LSM, that for the second consecutive year takes place at Bordeaux and lets some of the greatest hackers exchange idea through conferences. Among the hackers present are Bradley Kuhn, Quintella, and so on ..
The LSM are hosting the Debian conference one, the first python meeting in europe, ..
Yeah, I have to admit this struck me as odd anyway. Last time I checked, being a Webmaster does not make you a programmer or an expert on linux or free software. Did I miss something here?
Just like in Drum corps. That has to be a lot more fun than staying in a hotel. They probably don't think so now, but they will remember it later. People don't appretiate those moments in the present as much as they should.
Smelly Hippies with Open Sores. Stay out of our Hotels!
> Brewster's Millions 2000:"30 million in a month,
> eh?" *picks up phone* "BUY NORTEL! BUY LINUX!
> TECH TECH TECH!"
If memory serves, one of the provisions in the deal was that Brewster had to get value for his money. I'm not sure buying tech stocks counts.
BTW, did you know that "Brewster's Millions" was originally a novel by George Barr McCutcheon (published 1902), and that according to IMDB it's been made into a movie at least six times? You can read the novel online thanks to UVa's Electronic Text Center.
Or are Linux Tag travel expenses part of the "cash burn"? It's like watching Brewster's Millions in real life.
"Cash Burn" (TM)(R)(C 2001 VA Linux)(All rights reserved)(No warranty)
This release is sooo good, that Windows XP pales in comparison. Stable, only very occasional glitches.
I can't wait for the final, but READ the Changelog (of 3!!!! months). It is incredible:
BTW, this is the SHORT Changelog, for the complete thing read the link at the bottom!!!!!!
For a much more complete list, please read the official ChangeLog here: http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelog2_1to2_--
Moritz
This will definitely compete with Microsoft's Smart tags! Maybe we'll see this in CSS4?
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If they hadn't burned their house down, then no one would have to sleep in the gym!
Hey, that's what you getting when the build's on fire.
If they hadn't burned their house down, then no one would have to sleep in the gym!
Say hi to Booger and Takashi for me!
ZOMG I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS ON MACINTOSH VERSUS WINDOWS, VI VERSUS EMACS, AND HOW YOU'RE NOT A DORK
There's a slashdot japan? I had no idea. What other slashdot 's are there?
linkfilter - fresh links daily.
Geez, Taco, couldn't you offer to share your room with those who lost theirs? Or is sharing something you only do with MP3s and source code?
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"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
". This is akin to calling myself "crippled" because my BMW is in the shop,"
No, 'crippled' is having the Jag in the shop.
Steve's Computer Service, Hobbs, NM
Their too damn stupid to know how to operate a shower. I get the shower in the gymnasium hasn't seen water once since the nerds started staying there. (it's probably seen a whole lot of other things, but not showers)
Steve's Computer Service, Hobbs, NM
that's about the only way you'll get geeks in a gym anyway.
'one pull-up pyle! can you not do 1 fucking pull-up?!?'
BilldaCat
And yout try and tell that the young people of today... and they won't believe you !
While money can't buy happiness, it certainly lets you choose your own form of misery.
Luxury! We used to dream of having a sewer. No, we had it hard in those days. For a bed, all dear old dad could provide was the neighbour's piranha tank. But we were happy for it, we didn't know any better. Not like kids these days, with their slashdots and their hotels.
What, these guys were so smelly they just decided to lock the doors to keep them out?
DataSquid.net, a little about me.
So now they are staying in a gymnasium!
So, go ahead and put us down,
One of these days we'll turn it around.
It won't be long, mark my word.
TIME HAS COME FOR REVENGE OF THE NERDS!
Nonono.
Dutch is some sort of German.
Portuguese is some sort of Spanish.
Whatever they speak in the usa is some sort of English.
Oh damn. That last one is true. And now all the brits will get mad.
Is about the same as your English?
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Get used to it! ESR the bell tolls for thee!
Now, *that* clears things up.
It's 10 PM. Do you know if you're un-American?
We have net connections here (well, I'm not in the gym yet, but in some weird room of the student's administration next to it). Just ssh allowed, two IPs. What a good time to play with some tunnels ....
well, I'm really looking forward to sleeping in the gym ..... (hahahahahahahaha, never take me serious) ......
Ok, I guess it's the right moment to turn insane NOW
Why does this sound familiar? A bunch of nerds
forced to sleep in a gymnasium. It's O.K. Don't
wory about them. They will find a house and beat
those aweful Alpha Beta's! Let's just hope there's
not a sequel(or SQL...).
"as plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee" - Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz. (One man's humorous is another mans flamebait)
Broken glass!!!???
You lucky, lucky bastard!
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I live by the Messe Stuttgart (about a 1 minute walk) and I have a big house with a guest bedroom and bathroom. I am not attending Linux Tag because I have to work but if you have no place to stay I can house two in the guest bedroom. Send me an e-mail jrule@yahoo.com and I will reply with my handy number. First-come-first-serve.
I have a dedicated connection to the Internet too if you need to check your mail or whatever.
great, that's just what we need. next thing you know, we're reading about an international incident involving developers in a gymnasium who went on a panty raid. ".... One developer was arrested after refusing to give back the panties. He claimed that they were 'rightfully' his, as they had a picture of a penguin on them. It appears that the lack of an Internet connection in the gymnasium caused severe withdrawal symptoms among the developers. It is unkown at this point if there is a medical precedent for ....."
Do you see the sig? Do you have it in your sights? Why yes, Miss Moneypenny...
That wasn't the Alpha-Betas, that was Hemos!
kickin' science like no one else can,
my dick is twice as long as my attention span.
Withdrawal before climax is very ineffective and those who try this are usually called "parents."
Well, their average IQ just dropped a notch. I'm new user 3794.
Japanese /. User ID >3794? Beware.
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Filtering out the -1s and 0s since 1999.
Correct, as far as I could tell too. Let's put it this way... The Apple Cube story had 36 posts and only 5 were scored as 0. All 5 of those were ACs (not modded down).
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dman123 forever!
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Filtering out the -1s and 0s since 1999.
An intersting use of this on Usenet, btw, is the habit to transfer that usage into English in front of a German reading audience - like soc.culture.german - to emulate the German "Sie". Some people use that as a style mechanism (what's Stilmittel in English ?) to acchieve that devastating coldness in a flame that the German Language permits you by keeping formally polite . Some folks there have developed mastery in that
f.
Oh, and then there are the 'Black Corps', too... but trust me you won't want to join them, unless you really like fencing with sharp blades while wearing somewhat
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ROFLROFLROFLROFL Brewster's Millions 2000:
"30 million in a month, eh?" *picks up phone* "BUY NORTEL! BUY LINUX! TECH TECH TECH!" Three days later "So much for that thirty mil..."
Vintage computer games and RPG books available. Email me if you're interested.
Well, he could gamble 10 percent away, but I think stocks would have counted as an 'investment.' So long as there was the possibilty of profit...
Vintage computer games and RPG books available. Email me if you're interested.
Yes. English. He completely failed that one.
You know....
/. was in the right place at the right time but I dont see you running a webserver that can post a link and bring most servers on the net to their knees.
/. crew regardless has accumulated a wealth of knowledge and experience in their adventures with /. im quite sure. To disregard this knowledge as useless is a fatal mistake.
/. is a crappy site according to all of you now. Maybe CmdrTaco sold his soul to the devil. Maybe a lot of things. But this is how it is and while /. isnt one of the top 250 or anything it /is/ one of the most popular open source lounging grounds out there. The diversity and spectrum of people here is immense.
/. editors sentences? Back-Off. On most forums youd just be censored and forgotten about. You should feel thankful /. allows open criticism without censoring. But some of the time you guys just take it too far.
You people are downright RUDE!
Maybe
The
Maybe CmdrTaco doesnt have a Ph.D. Maybe
I think that to just discredit someone for some reason you didnt even name is purely asanine. If your gonna take a crack at someone at least back your point up. Your just being an ass. All I see are people giving CmdrTaco complete shit. What you don't have anything better to do than analyze the grammatical structure of a
Jeremy
Yes I read /.
/. do you bud?"
All I am saying is that people need to back off. God forbid I dare to say something other than "CmdrTaco is an idiot". Even he said it but seriously if your gonna make such extreme claims people should be willing to have real proof not just "You don't read
/. has changed some. Yes it has lost a little of its old luster but thats what happens when people and sites grow. They change.
Again, Back-Off and dont read the site if the people who run it are such idiots. Complaning and being rude has obviously not improved the situation.
Jeremy
yo, folks. This is one of those words that - while spelled the same in both languages - means something completely different.
;-)
So, american junior geeks go to the gymnasium to get their share of Phys. Ed., i.e. to get all sweaty and shit.
For german kids, a Gymnasium (nouns are capitalized in German) is where some of them go after elementary school. Gymnasium == Jr+Sr High School (grades 5 thru 12/13 depending on state). There are some other forms of secondary schools here in Germany.
So, while it will still be a shared-space-sleeping-experience, at least the rooms are a lot smaller
Depends on the language - this is one of those strange words...
:-)
In English, "Gymnasium" means a hall where you do gymnastics or exercise.
In German, "Gymnasium" means an upper-tier secondary school (attended from age 11 to age 19 IIRC).
Just one of those strange English/German glitches. Like, don't the words "mist" or "missed" around Germans, since "Mist" means "poo" in German - not "sh*t" or anything like that, just almost exactly the same resonance as "poo". Foreign golfers missing a putt and saying "Poo!" is quite amusing for the Germans (who says they lack a sense of humour?
Grab.
Sleeping in a gymnasium? Luxury! In my day we'd have slep on a pile of broken glass in the sewer, and been happy to have the glass!
BlackNova Traders
Slashdot Europe ??
Absolutely! Next step: find a frat house, and join an historically black fraternal organization.
In the actual movie "revenge of the nerds", after getting kicked out of the dorm, sleeping in the gymnasium, and then getting the frat house, the nerds had to find a national fraternal organization that would take them in. The only one that would was Lambda Lambda Lambda (tri-lam in fratspeak), which up till that point had no white members. In the end they are actually defended by some of thier brothers from a nearby black college from the wrath of the jocks.
Folks, we don't have to be that way. It just takes 10 minutes to take a decent shower everyday, and it makes so much more agreeable, especially in a conference or meeting where a lot of hackers/geeks/nerds are gathering.
The whole hygiene thing just gives very bad impression about the hacker community. First, there was that RMS thing (with all respect to RMS), then the attendees at LinuxTag thrown out of the hotel. And maybe attendees at the next-month LinuxWorld Expo at SF will be thrown out too?
"I can sympathize with my brothers on the street, man... one time my hotel suite was double-booked, and I ended up without even a hot tub!"
To be honest, I had no trouble passing the class, but that doesn't mean that I can remember any of it now.
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get your war on
Looks like they don't have the common trolls. Looking at a couple articles, I didn't see any -1 or even a 0. Since I couldn't read the articles I can't say whether or not the posters are smarter that the ones that speak english.
I'm brilliant,
Personally, I love browser-desktop environment integration in Windows. Things like being able to type a web address into my taskbar (yes, I know it's possible with a GNOME or KDE applet), being able to use the same window for file browsing or web browsing, treating local and remote files equally, etc. What I don't like is browser-OS integration, because it means that a user-space program is embedded into the operating system, thereby limiting choice and flexability. With Windows I just have to accept this as a downside of browser-desktop environment integration. But with Linux there is no tradeof. Relax, noone is trying to compile Konqueror into the kernel or anything.
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Are you 12 years old? You sound like a little kid defending his mommy. I guess this post is off-topic. Yours just struck me as being really weird.
Who remembers "Revenge of the Nerds," where the homeless nerds were forced to live in the gymnasium? :)
Hotels in the area should be wary of panty raids and people playing with security cameras.
If all you have are silver bullets, everything looks like a werewolf.
Staying in a gymnasium, eh?
"Good night, Gilbert."
"Good night, Louis."
"Good night, Takashi."
"Good night, Lamar."
"Good night, Wormser."
"Good night, Poindexter."
"Good night, Booger."
"BUUUUUURRRRRRRRRPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!"
How many geeks do you know who could recognize and correctly identify a gymnasium?
I won't tell them if you won't.
"Man, the hotel was neat - it had bars ALL OVER THE WALLS!"
This is why English, though it is a Germanic language and has a Germanic structure, has a lot of French in it's vocabulary.
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I had to shingle my refrigerator box with AOL diskettes, I would have gnawed off my right arm for a sewer to sleep in.
Here in Germany german is called "Deutsch". A little indication of the fact that Dutch and German are very much derived from the same lingual base. So is english.
In fact: If you can speak german and english you'll have no problems learning dutch ("Netherlandish").
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
Everyone, apparently.
Can you imagine what one of Taco's posts would look like with Babel Fish? And we thought it was bad now...
If it's supposed to move and doesn't, use WD-40. If it moves and it shouldn't, use duct tape.
Just a hello from University of Stuttgart. Hey guys/gals we are having beer parties on regular basis(early week, pre-mid week, mid-week, post-mid-week, weekend, samstag, sonntag !) we are thinking of coverting the 7-tag week into metric system! Just an excuse to have more beer , more parties! So when you are done away with LINUXTAG join us for LINUX-ABEND! ;)
Voltaire: God is dead.
God: Voltaire is dead!
kazekiri sent us a report from Slashdot/Japan which you'll need to translate to read
Slashdot Japan?! When did this happen? I did a search here & on google and saw almost nothing about a "slashdot.jp"... To me, the idea is just amazing.. perhaps it's the idea of a whole 'nother "geek culture" out there, in a parallel universe (er, Japan), but really having nothing in common otherwise, except, now... slashdot!
benchpress that......
**Vanuatu or bust**
I half-cringed when I read the words "Linux" and "Hackers" in the same headline. Thank goodness that highly impressionable Joe Users don't read this site--who knows what sort of vague connection their minds might make?
The coolest voice ever.
What does this mean? KDE features Konqueror, a state-of-the-art web browser, as an integrated component of its user-friendly desktop environment... I thought integration == evil? They really need to change the wording. I thought I was reading an announcement for the next release of Windows! I don't mean this to be a troll, but isn't the point of Linux to buck trends? Isn't integration of products something Linux tries to avoid?
First, let me say I'm delighted that I'm allowed to give teh keynote speech hear in Deutchland.
Ever sinse we started Chips & Dips we were followin the newest informations in the geek industry. Slashdot was a big step for us, say a milestone, in taht direction.
We hope to continue provinding the geek community with moer informations in teh future.
etc etc ect
Yeah like 2 years ago, The highest skilled techies in the US where sleeping in a high school gym during the dot-com crap. I shared a space with a 36 yr old Phd from Northwestern who only made 60K and couldn't find a place to stay. Good ol days right. Damn glad they are over, Have a good time in Germany (lucky bastard)
"Get them before they get....
I think more likely that a bunch of jocks burned down there own hotel and took the Linux Convention's hotel.. Damn those Alpha Betas
meep!
How about mit ein Bisschen denglish, Kartoffelchip? If Du kaum hast passed die Klasse in German, maybe you kannst the understehen? We call das "Denglish" in Germany.
okay, to get this all straight..: english, dutch, and deutsch (german) are all germanic languages (as opposed to french and spanish and italian which are romanic languages, based on latin). when the anglos and saxons came over to england in 1066 (willy the conqueror!) they brought their language with them, which would explain the close connction between low-german (niederdeutsch or plattdeutsch) and english (the region which used to mke up the dukedom of schleswig -now part of the state of schlesig-holstein- is also called angeln - the connection to the angos and thus to te anglo-saxons is obvious).. now the dutch were somewhere in between that whole stuff and they also traded a lot with other nations and that always influences the language of a country as well.
ergo: all those languages have the same root, just as humans and apes have the same ancestors.
"What we cannot speak about we must pass over in silence." -Wittgenstein
Could you please record this and put it on /. maybe make a comic relief area for it.
you know, w/ all the errors taco makes in english, i think he should start posting in german, then we all may be able to understand him.
MICK THE FIRST POST MASTAH!
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Real funny trivalize homelessness just like the census.
I'm an asshole, so what?