Hmmn.. Dont look for that to happen. There is a lot of strong anti-desktop sentiment among BSD developers. A lot of people mistake this for an elitist attitude and perhaps it is but I like the focus on the server myself and I think its pretty good. So.. Its possible but dont expect it from the core team or anyone close to that mindset. So something like Mozilla Native for FreeBSD could be a long time coming.
Okay very rarely does any news I ever hear give me that overall, wow this was actual good and very cool feeling.
Both of these companies are awesome and the two coming toghether will hopefully yield even better opearting systems for both ends
(How can you make FreeBSD much better;-)
Seriously this is some cool stuff and I wish more VERY good things like this could occur more often I seriously think this is going to give FreeBSD even more mindshare among the server admin and heavy duty server market.
As long as one instance of something exists, an infinite amount of instances can be created at zero cost There is a cost to reproducing digital content especially something like a DVD. The bandwidth alone to download a DVD is to prohibitive so yes you can create as many copies as you want but who will have access to this infinite media?
Another point it does take some time and some machines bandwidth to reproduce digital media/content and time is money in my book so there is a *cost* even if its negligible there is a cost and special considerations with that statement
All this commitment to *Linux* I would much rather see commitment to OpenSource so I can have native versions of Delphi running on platform XYZ..
NO flame wars please.. I like FreeBSD and I would love to be able to run this stuff native mode. Emulation is nice and its only laughed at me a couple of times.
Everyone says commitment to Linux and its a mindset thing. I want commitment to OpenSource or commitment to *nix Platforms!
By Accepting just support for Linux we are limiting ourselves in the same ways we wish to be free.
I realize it is a huge step to just come out and support what im asking versus x86 only Linux binaries but it just needs to be somewhere in the thought process.
This is a good theory.. but I dont think its a very proven one. MS has released a few OS' but whose the threat?? Linux on the desktop *cough laugh*
Server market maybe
Desktop where Office is? no.. So how can you possibly make a broad statement like that. I agree they play upon each others strength but the anology and reasoning seems off.
If I am going to dislike Verisign id love to see more than a company buying another company and some rant's as a reason why.
I have yet to see one post that points out the ways Verisign has abused its monopoly status or would.
I like a healthy dose of fear as much as everyone else as paranoia will keep you alive
However.. remember you can be a monopoly as long as you do not stiffle competition. Sure this is never good to have more power centralized but is it BAD?
Someone show me how verisign is truly evil and not just an investigation to determine if they are or not.. and I will agree this is bad until then whats up? Everyone just knows something I dont?
If AMD did not do this, Intel definately is and would have. No one is going to *care* and the 1/3 speed cache is not that big of an issue so stop griping since I know most/.'s dont even buy chips as soon as they go out because everyone knows in 6mo the things going to be a fraction of the price. *mutters* I think everyone likes complaning:p
Heh I have never been a big sci-fi fan. Dunno why.. guess im just lazy but midieval fantasy has always been more interesting to me Some of the time I feel like im trapped in the twenty-first century. I would have liked being a crazy foot solider who only had to live for 20-30 years:-)
Holy Shit! and that is with normalized data.. the 21264's just CRUSH everything else.. Hmmn.. *starts saving up his money* I can live with Tru64 unix:p
lol I just realized how silly my comment was.. The actual html it generates would be just about as large. lol. sorry. My page is zero fluff.. only pictures are pictures of me being silly and all.:-) You can do some pretty awesome stuff with style sheets.. I dont think you need anything but very small pictures to achieve awesome site design:-) If clients want fluff.. its even easier to do:p
My site is 500K gzipped with max compression (Doh) lol. Of course I have some 100K jpegs..:-) hehe. 1024x768 jpgs. Hmmn. Without images its *very* lightweight and acehives a lot of those simplicity goals without being *TO* ugly. ( i was being lazy to.. soo:-) Anyways. it weighs in at like 15K total without images. I could condense it even more if I made more of it php3. Do loops for my table rows and just do a big case/if elif el structure to stick the images.. thatd cut down the site by prolly 1K right there. But if you cant hang with 15K or so im sorry:-)
You know I got to thinking about it and it reminded me of the feeling I have when I am wiping a windows partition and installing linux to it. I format that bad oscar with prejuidice.
Damnit if a 1gig processor dont give you penis envy your sic. Who the hell cares if youve overanalyzed it to death to point out The following things.
A. Processor Speed is Irellevant (whine)
B. My p133 does just fine thanks
C. I cant think of any reason *I* would need one
D. So its only 10fps more
WAAAAAAAAH You guys are destroying all the fun of new and faster processors. Just cuzz you cant think of a use for it dont mean I cant ( I can I promise:-) Muahaha.. and for most people when they say.. so what kinda computer you got they only recognize maybe one or two terms.. like mega hertz or RAM so when you say.. 1giga hertz. there eyes light up.. Ahh a fast one cool!:-)
*mutters* hehe, well yer a girl so whats it matter!! *KIDDING* *KIDDING* Dont worry I am phsyically abused for my sexist comments on a daily basis...*grin*
Okay okay to my real reply;-) Its not my choice honest!:-(
I would love for work to spend the time to get some good reusable code going in Php3 and Netscape and alternative browsers as the clients! But no one here is a real Unix weenie other than me. We have no real system administrators (just me and one of my bosses) A few folks have CS degree's and everyone would manage I think, but bleh my bosses wont do it say we are to small and dont have the development time to expend.. On top of that these systems are incredibly expensive so it matters even less since we have a very specific target audience for the software.
I have managed.. im not as productive as I could be because I have to use Windows.. I do VB stuff quite often. Project finish time always sucks, and we are ending a dev cycle now.
Anyways there is just little *I* can do about it since everything and almost all the code we tend to reuse is VB ActiveX controls. Again if things were done my way....:-) okay back to work.. dont flame me to bad for the first part of my reply.
Disclaimer: women are actually to be worshipped and anyone who thinks otherwise is sic, Ive been married its deeply ingrained into me now:-o
At work we have some *VERY* complex forms (like insurance application) and NO other browser save IE can even handle all the styles you really need to crank the forms out at a reasonable pace. IE has the best Object Model/scripting support and is the only platform we have used that can build really rocking intranet apps using pure HTMl/scripting without delving into java and worse (activeX...) Okay.. that is what RAD is about and im quite sure many other shops who develop tons of Cold fusion are in the same boat as us. You cannot do these things without utter torture of netscape and its not worth it when IE is freaking build into peoples operating systems... This is where pragmatism comes in over ideals. We have even used Php3 for one intranet as a test and it went incredibly well. (my Recommendation to use php3) co workers were impressed with it and that it was free etc. My point here is.. WE NEED mozilla:-)
Granted I dislike the fact that possesion of lock picks os only illegal WHEN you use them to commit a crime.
Okay but this seems to make a a real strong legal argument right? I think the one thing that is missing is that it is a security auditing tool and has never been portrayed as a 'hacking tool' I think its really sad.:-(. And I almost said I can see how this okay but I realize ITS NOT.
I have the TCP/IP stack for linux on my machine and I analyze the code and release a buffer overflow that takes down half the internet. Do I get charged for 'having' the program that did this as well, even if this program has a much clearer intent and purpose?
ITs VERY scary to think in the wrong situation *ANYTHING* on my computer can be illegal
Excluding sick shit like kiddy porn or whatever, THATS wrong and I am glad its not good, but l0pht crack! *sigh
Slashdot Mirror
Just ignore me *mutters* I cant even read!
:p oh well
STUPID stupid stupid. heh.
ja
Hmmn.. Dont look for that to happen. There is a lot of strong anti-desktop sentiment among BSD developers. A lot of people mistake this for an elitist attitude and perhaps it is but I like the focus on the server myself and I think its pretty good. So.. Its possible but dont expect it from the core team or anyone close to that mindset. So something like Mozilla Native for FreeBSD could be a long time coming.
Okay very rarely does any news I ever hear give me that overall, wow this was actual good and very cool feeling.
;-)
Both of these companies are awesome and the two coming toghether will hopefully yield even better opearting systems for both ends
(How can you make FreeBSD much better
Seriously this is some cool stuff and I wish more VERY good things like this could occur more often I seriously think this is going to give FreeBSD even more mindshare among the server admin and heavy duty server market.
JA
As long as one instance of something exists, an infinite amount of instances can be created at zero cost
There is a cost to reproducing digital content especially something like a DVD. The bandwidth alone to download a DVD is to prohibitive so yes you can create as many copies as you want but who will have access to this infinite media?
Another point it does take some time and some machines bandwidth to reproduce digital media/content and time is money in my book so there is a *cost* even if its negligible there is a cost and special considerations with that statement
JA
All this commitment to *Linux* I would much rather see commitment to OpenSource so I can have native versions of Delphi running on platform XYZ..
NO flame wars please.. I like FreeBSD and I would love to be able to run this stuff native mode. Emulation is nice and its only laughed at me a couple of times.
Everyone says commitment to Linux and its a mindset thing. I want commitment to OpenSource or commitment to *nix Platforms!
By Accepting just support for Linux we are limiting ourselves in the same ways we wish to be free.
I realize it is a huge step to just come out and support what im asking versus x86 only Linux binaries but it just needs to be somewhere in the thought process.
Jeremy Allen
Baaaaaa
I need more Dew oh well.
This is a good theory.. but I dont think its a very proven one. MS has released a few OS' but whose the threat?? Linux on the desktop *cough laugh*
Server market maybe
Desktop where Office is? no.. So how can you possibly make a broad statement like that. I agree they play upon each others strength but the anology and reasoning seems off.
If I am going to dislike Verisign id love to see more than a company buying another company and some rant's as a reason why.
I have yet to see one post that points out the ways Verisign has abused its monopoly status or would.
I like a healthy dose of fear as much as everyone else as paranoia will keep you alive
However.. remember you can be a monopoly as long as you do not stiffle competition. Sure this is never good to have more power centralized but is it BAD?
Someone show me how verisign is truly evil and not just an investigation to determine if they are or not.. and I will agree this is bad until then whats up? Everyone just knows something I dont?
JA
You can get phones on the 2Ghz band already.. :-)
If AMD did not do this, Intel definately is and would have. No one is going to *care* and the 1/3 speed cache is not that big of an issue so stop griping since I know most /.'s dont even buy chips as soon as they go out because everyone knows in 6mo the things going to be a fraction of the price. *mutters* I think everyone likes complaning :p
heh..
Heh I have never been a big sci-fi fan. Dunno why.. guess im just lazy but midieval fantasy has always been more interesting to me Some of the time I feel like im trapped in the twenty-first century. I would have liked being a crazy foot solider who only had to live for 20-30 years :-)
ja
Holy Shit! and that is with normalized data.. the 21264's just CRUSH everything else.. Hmmn.. *starts saving up his money* I can live with Tru64 unix :p
lol I just realized how silly my comment was.. The actual html it generates would be just about as large. lol. sorry. My page is zero fluff.. only pictures are pictures of me being silly and all. :-) You can do some pretty awesome stuff with style sheets.. I dont think you need anything but very small pictures to achieve awesome site design :-) If clients want fluff.. its even easier to do :p
My site is 500K gzipped with max compression (Doh) lol. Of course I have some 100K jpegs.. :-) hehe. 1024x768 jpgs. Hmmn. Without images its *very* lightweight and acehives a lot of those simplicity goals without being *TO* ugly. ( i was being lazy to.. soo :-) Anyways. it weighs in at like 15K total without images. I could condense it even more if I made more of it php3. Do loops for my table rows and just do a big case/if elif el structure to stick the images.. thatd cut down the site by prolly 1K right there. But if you cant hang with 15K or so im sorry :-)
Anyone have some decent info on Alpha's and how their chips perform in comparison to Pentiums and Athlons?
:-)
I feel in the dark because I know a 1gz Alpha probably stomps mudholes in a 1ghz Athlon. How bad are these chips?! Anyone know?
JA
You know I got to thinking about it and it reminded me of the feeling I have when I am wiping a windows partition and installing linux to it. I format that bad oscar with prejuidice.
:-)
Damnit if a 1gig processor dont give you penis envy your sic. Who the hell cares if youve overanalyzed it to death to point out The following things.
:-) Muahaha.. and for most people when they say.. so what kinda computer you got they only recognize maybe one or two terms.. like mega hertz or RAM so when you say.. 1giga hertz. there eyes light up.. Ahh a fast one cool! :-)
A. Processor Speed is Irellevant (whine)
B. My p133 does just fine thanks
C. I cant think of any reason *I* would need one
D. So its only 10fps more
WAAAAAAAAH You guys are destroying all the fun of new and faster processors. Just cuzz you cant think of a use for it dont mean I cant ( I can I promise
hhee let me explain why this is really important. cuzz everythings been mega for so long.. giga is somehow exciting damnit :p
*mutters* hehe, well yer a girl so whats it matter!! *KIDDING* *KIDDING* Dont worry I am phsyically abused for my sexist comments on a daily basis...*grin*
;-) :-(
:-) okay back to work.. dont flame me to bad for the first part of my reply.
:-o
Okay okay to my real reply
Its not my choice honest!
I would love for work to spend the time to get some good reusable code going in Php3 and Netscape and alternative browsers as the clients! But no one here is a real Unix weenie other than me. We have no real system administrators (just me and one of my bosses) A few folks have CS degree's and everyone would manage I think, but bleh my bosses wont do it say we are to small and dont have the development time to expend.. On top of that these systems are incredibly expensive so it matters even less since we have a very specific target audience for the software.
I have managed.. im not as productive as I could be because I have to use Windows.. I do VB stuff quite often. Project finish time always sucks, and we are ending a dev cycle now.
Anyways there is just little *I* can do about it since everything and almost all the code we tend to reuse is VB ActiveX controls. Again if things were done my way....
Disclaimer: women are actually to be worshipped and anyone who thinks otherwise is sic, Ive been married its deeply ingrained into me now
Your email thing is just to hard to figure out!
Kidding, And here I doing a left bitwise shift then I looked at my keyboard for a sec. heehee
At work we have some *VERY* complex forms (like insurance application) and NO other browser save IE can even handle all the styles you really need to crank the forms out at a reasonable pace. IE has the best Object Model/scripting support and is the only platform we have used that can build really rocking intranet apps using pure HTMl/scripting without delving into java and worse (activeX...) Okay.. that is what RAD is about and im quite sure many other shops who develop tons of Cold fusion are in the same boat as us. You cannot do these things without utter torture of netscape and its not worth it when IE is freaking build into peoples operating systems... This is where pragmatism comes in over ideals. We have even used Php3 for one intranet as a test and it went incredibly well. (my Recommendation to use php3) co workers were impressed with it and that it was free etc. My point here is.. WE NEED mozilla :-)
Dont vote.. sorry. country is already fucked not much you can do about it. But im really glad you feel voting actually gives you power.
lol, I am gonna burn a few karma to announce I have a homepage *gasps* Ive been on the net like 6 years so this is an accomplishment lol
:p
Visit please
I blew a karma point for this
Back to whatever.
</NOISE>
Granted I dislike the fact that possesion of lock picks os only illegal WHEN you use them to commit a crime.
:-(. And I almost said I can see how this okay but I realize ITS NOT.
Okay but this seems to make a a real strong legal argument right? I think the one thing that is missing is that it is a security auditing tool and has never been portrayed as a 'hacking tool' I think its really sad.
I have the TCP/IP stack for linux on my machine and I analyze the code and release a buffer overflow that takes down half the internet. Do I get charged for 'having' the program that did this as well, even if this program has a much clearer intent and purpose?
ITs VERY scary to think in the wrong situation *ANYTHING* on my computer can be illegal
Excluding sick shit like kiddy porn or whatever, THATS wrong and I am glad its not good, but l0pht crack! *sigh